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Newton2024:
Did Jesus teach about conjugal sex? If not, does it mean sex between couple is a sin? There's no where in the bible where Jesus directly or indirectly commanded us not to join politics. And you are not helping Christianity with this your baseless belief. It means you have totally surrendered to muslims. They can do unto you and your generations the way they like.

There wouldn't have been anything called ISLAM if not for the Catholics that terrorized the world of that time claiming they're fighting religious wars.
Christianity is meant to be submissive to any form of worship after all everything Jesus taught us is a way of life that we can live in any country no matter the religion they practice.

Go and check your Bible if any pagan nation attacked the Christians, it was the Jews who claimed they believe in the same books Christ's followers were preaching that were calling for their heads. So had it not been for the Jews Christianity would have easily gone round the world without having anything to do with politics or wars against any other religion!

Newton2024:
That's why you can't find a single quotation in Jesus' statement against politics. Be tired of being ruled buy wicked people. Pity your future generations. If you enjoy being subjugated under terr-orist muslims, your children may not like it.

I don't have any child who doesn't share my beliefs so if anyone from any part of the world share my beliefs he/she is my father, mother, sister, brother, son or daughter. Matt 12:46-50

So only those that share my beliefs are my families whoever doesn't share my beliefs is just my neighbour nothing more!

Engr2016:
Bro, you misquoted the words of JESUS CHRIST to back up your doctrine in Jehovah Witness. Those words of JESUS is available to anyone who has the bible. They can verify it themselves. Misrepresenting the word of JESUS for another purpose is wrong and sinful. That is similar to what the Devil did by misquoting the scriptures to deceive JESUS CHRIST. The same place you misquoted clearly explains JESUS was referring to proper conducts among disciples/the brethren and not politics or public governance. You ask for my own quote. Well, the bible verses that I already quoted earlier such as " You are the light or the world! You are the salt of the earth! " etc that I already quotted earlier already makes it clear Christians are expected to positively influence the world in a goldy manner until JESUS comes back irrespective of the persecution we would suffer. The issue is: most Christians especially in politics or governance are not bold enough to withstand persecution or stand for what is right. They easily compromise or blend with the world but that does not mean JESUS commanded them not to join governance.

The highlighted says it all my friend, after four gospel accounts Matthew, Mark, Luke and John then God used His Holy Spirit to direct the first century Christians in writing what is known today as the 'ACT OF APOSTLES"

So if you have the ACTS of those who received this faith directly from Jesus of Nazareth and it's glaring that they laid low having nothing to do with politics what makes you think you're practicing what they practiced if you're going into politics?

It's politicians seeking support that's using what they have to get what they want.
No religious persecution before Satan initiated a religion in the name of "TRINITY" after killing all the pioneers of Christianity.
The Arab world is only fighting back to regain their lost glory before Greece ended their dynasty.
The first four world powers are:
Egypt, Assyria (Iran), Babylon (Iraq) and Persia (Northern Iran) with Orientals.

Rome took advantage of Apostates in the group Jesus founded, they mixed it with their pagan traditions and began terrorizing all the nations around the Mediterranean sea forcing Catholicism on them claiming they're fighting a religious war (CRUSADE)

That's what the Arabs are trying to recover by using the same tactics to recruit fighters in the name of Islam.
So had it been there was nothing like Catholic Church forcing their politicies on others in the name of Jesus, Arabs won't think of using the same means!

PeaceJoyLove:
I don't have your time for this way you are making a good laugh out of the topic.

My advice is that you preach what you can die for.

You are a business man just like the pastorpreneurs you always criticize. You claim to have the genuine truth, but you cannot put your head on the table for it. So, it means you are not sure. And yes, how can you be 100% sure of afterlife? No one is. What is in you is called faith - something you are convicted is true...and the evidence of the truth is in your heart. But does it make it the real truth?

Go think about it well. That you cannot put your head on the table for this truth of yours says a lot.

See, I do not have your time. I only pray you use your head and don't just be a zombie who is easily manipulated. You are not different from the pastorpreneurs and moslims killers who always impose their own on others. It sounded crazy to you that anyone believes 70 virgins awaits him in after-life. For me, it is ridiculous too, but that's their believe and who they are. But does it make it the truth? Just think well. You need to ask yourself...this truth that I am holding in high esteem, is it really a substance I can hold on to?

Really, you have shown that you cannot hold on to it. Why? A truth that you cannot put your head on the table for is not truly what you hold high.

Check your heart well.

Madam killer of believers!

No believers is killed simply because they have faith rather it's POLITICS that's the root cause of persecution in Faith. So if i'm not depriving of any political seat your question about killing me for my faith makes you sound really stupid!

Engr2016:
The fact that Jehovah Witnesses can quote their own version of the bible does not mean they are right. Remember anyone can misquote the scriptures for his or her ulterior motive. Don't forget even the Devil himself quoted the scriptures while tempting JESUS CHRIST our LORD.

Good!
So address the OP's question by QUOTING Jesus to support your view, you don't need to oppose any religious group just go straight to your views using JESUS CHRIST's words as back up.
Thanks Sir!

Arizonaz:
Why not? King David in the Bible is what? King Hezekiah, and others

The true God only allowed the Israelites to have a taste of the suffering other nations are experiencing due to their choice of human Kings. When the Israelites first made the demand it was totally a bad idea!

Read 1Samuel 8:1-22

Samuel told the Israelites that when the kings (rulers) they're demanding begin to maltreat them {Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9} they will cry unto God for help but He will not answer them. 1Samuel 8:18

Perhaps that's not what is happening in Nigeria right now. Most of you do compare one country to another not knowing that there's no nation under the heavens where the citizens aren't suffering one way or another in the hands of POLITICIANS!

Engr2016:
Only Jehovah Witnesses are known for avoiding anything associated with public governance or politics in general. So my people, be guided, you might be unnecessarily arguing this topic with Jehovah Witnesses without even noticing it.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm it's like most people are now waking up to the fact that only JWs are PRACTICING what Jesus taught.
The OP asked a question and directed it to true Christians so if you're so sure that only JWs are the ones backing up their views with what Jesus CHRIST said then something is wrong somewhere!

But i want to assure you that there are many here that aren't Jehovah's Witnesses but they've learned from experience that politics can never yield any positive results. That's why they're not in support of politics.

After the election try to calculate the total number of voters throughout Nigeria and compare to the population of Nigeria that's when you will get to know that it's not only JWs that doesn't believe in DEMOCRACY but it's only JWs that can use Jesus' words to back up their views! Luke 12:11-12

May you have PEACE!

Newton2024:
Jesus did not teach us to demonize politics. If good people run away from politics, who will remain? The problem Nigeria is facing today is that good people misconstrued politics as evil.

Well it is globally known as a DIRTY GAME and true Christians aren't expected to get involved in dirty dealings. That's why you can't find a single quotation in Jesus' statement in support of politics.
Moreover Jesus' first century disciples were subjected to vilification, humiliation, torture and persecution, if they're into politics do you think such will be the case?

musicwriter:
You don't speak the English language because it's the best language in the world.
Once you realize that, you'll understand that you don't believe in Jesus because it's real, rather because our ancestors were enslaved with Jesus.

So why don't you condemn writing, reading and speaking English since it all came along with slavery?

Jesus of Nazareth is the only begotten Son of God!

It's not about what books say anymore but what you can see for yourself!

Maynman:
You are still slow to understand, Bible means books. Go read your Hebrew Bible and not versions created by your masters in watchtower!

Nothing like Hebrew Bible Sir!

achimendy:
Is because they dont have fear of God that's why they spread lies and bend teachings. So someone or group who has fear for God needs to go there and make it right.

If you dont understand me at this point then forget it.
I hope you're not one of those jehovah witness people ?

Na there he dey before them pursue am comot because he no dey straightforward!

Maynman:
Bible is a English word gotten from Latin, jews can’t refer to it as “Bible”, Bible is a TITLE, jews don’t speak English.
Bible literally means books.
Jews call it what books translate as in Hebrew.

So to cut the long story short there's nothing called "Hebrew Bible" Sir!
Back to your question.

Who is helping who and against who?

When a black man whose ancestors do worship gods in various forms suddenly wakes up and say "there is no God" please ask him to expatiate further but not to quote any white man.
That's when you will realize that they're just fooling themselves, both the Bible and Atheism came to Africa through the WHITEMAN.
So until a black man can speak convincingly of atheism without mentioning the name of any white man or making references to books written by WHITEMAN that i will take him/her seriously!

Maynman:
Bible means books.
“Scrolls”?? didn’t know jews speak English
Seems your watchtower masters haven’t taught you that.

Ọmọ Jews don't refer to their book as "Bible" i'm only using English to explain to you they have their Jewish language and what they call their books but definitely not BIBLE!

shegz24:
Politics is a dirty game that involves licking some asses you wont lick normally.
And that is universal.
A true christian can be involved in politics but he is unlikely to win.

Many just utter whatever comes out of their mouth they don't know what politics means for real!

Ordinary counselor a true Christian can't win because he will stand on the truth
no nepotism
no hypocrisy
no bribery
Of course he will have to vote for himself because even his wife and kids that truly loves him won't like him to go Into the gathering of those WOLVES talkless dragging political seats with them. So they will pray that he loses

PeaceJoyLove:
Grandpa! You can't put your head on the line for what you believe in, and you talk every time like you are sure.

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. REV12:11

You should be ready to lose your head for what you are sure is absolutely true. Don't you get it?

You are a fake believer.

And what are you if you're hunting believers in the blood of the lamb?
I guess Satan's agent, right?

Maynman:
Ramblings from a watchtower worshipper bwahahahah

And i told you to read your Hebrew Bible not the versions given to you by your masters in watchtower but you can’t comprehend

There's nothing called "Hebrew Bible" the Jews only relied on 39 books of the prophets and it's called the "scrolls"
The name Bible was given to the 66 books thought to have been the complete message from the true God. So you still need to learn many things Sir!

Newton2024:
If you out of ignorance, you decide to demonize politics and run away from it, muslim terr-orists will rule over you forever and no amount of prayer will save you. Islam'ic terr-orists will not only enslave you, but they will also collect your house, car, money, wife, job and kill you thereafter.

If you love your generation, go and join politics today. Start from your ward.

MaxInDHouse:
The OP asked a simple question and it was for true Christians i think that should mean people trusting (believing) in the teachings of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. The OP wants to know Jesus' viewpoints not what people think Jesus should have said! Mark 7:6-7
So instead of condemning other people's comments why not let's focus on Jesus as each commentator backs up his or her comments with what Jesus himself said? Hebrews 12:2

May you have PEACE!

OP addressed TRUE CHRISTIANS so i'm talking from the perspective of a believer in what Jesus taught. But if you know better please let's here your viewpoint as you reflect Jesus' thought on the matter.
Thanks!

Anakazo22:
You are not serious at all, you are just confusing people by taking scriptures out of context. Daniel was a politician and served as a senator under four different King in Babylon and he was not corrupt.. take note that Babylon was very corrupt but Daniel was faithful and blameless. Politics is not meant for some certain people, infact God expect christains who by destiny are called to politics to go there and change it for good and not leave it in the hands of these evil and corrupt men.
This is where the church has been missing it for a long time,they think involving in politics is a sin and worldly. How can you change a system if you don't get involved.

MaxInDHouse:
The OP asked a simple question and it was for true Christians i think that should mean people trusting (believing) in the teachings of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. The OP wants to know Jesus' viewpoints not what people think Jesus should have said! Mark 7:6-7
So instead of condemning other people's comments why not let's focus on Jesus as each commentator backs up his or her comments with what Jesus himself said? Hebrews 12:2

May you have PEACE!

The OP didn't address Israelites practicing what the old covenant teaches rather he asked TRUE CHRISTIANS.
So i'm talking from the perspective of Jesus' teachings, please back up your comments with Jesus' statements since that's what the OP requested.
Thanks!

Maynman:
According to a Worshipper of Watchtower.

I have told you several times without number that i'm not your mate when talking about intelligent discussions so try not mention me if you're still suffering from your childish ways!

This is what you first typed:

Maynman:
The same god that was helping them in wars?

And i asked you:

The same God helping who against who?

Only for you to end up with nothing sensible!

Maynman:
Read your Hebrew Bible

Surely you don't understand what you're saying!

Maynman:
The same god that was helping them in wars?

Against who?

The OP asked a simple question and it was for true Christians i think that should mean people trusting (believing) in the teachings of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. The OP wants to know Jesus' viewpoints not what people think Jesus should have said! Mark 7:6-7
So instead of condemning other people's comments why not let's focus on Jesus as each commentator backs up his or her comments with what Jesus himself said? Hebrews 12:2

May you have PEACE!

Bloooody:
It seems slowly but surely the nigerian people are starting to realize this false god called jehovah doesnt exist after his so called children were slaughtered like pigs in his own house with no discrimination for whether man, child or woman.

It's laughable seeing police Van's at a church that preaches divine protection, I over head a pastor requesting funds to hire a security company for protection.

Where is your divine protection you believers quote so much about?

The type of protection spoken of by Jesus of Nazareth totally differs from what most people are thinking, himself and all his friends were killed by radical religionists due to politics.

That's why he never promised any of them PHYSICAL PROTECTION:

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell! Matthew 10:28

Do the above sound like physical protection?

Bmaster:
why would there rather a satanist rule them instead for them to direct their country's affairs through the wisdom God will be giving them ?

God is not giving human governments any support that's why Jesus asked his disciples to pray for God's Kingdom (government) Matthew 6:10

That's why Jews hated Jesus with passion and killed him because he doesn't even care who rules them all his time, energy and resources were channelled to the preaching and teaching campaign about God's Kingdom!


John the baptist who intervened in the affairs of politics was arrested and beheaded {Matt 14:1-10} Jesus never rescued him despite all his power!

WHY? Jesus answered:
"From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it" Matt 11:12

Faithful people have to be strong in holding themselves not to intervene in the political affairs Satan raises as option and imposed on them otherwise their hands will be soiled in the innocent blood of their neighbours due to struggle for a good governance {Revelations 6:3-4} under the system controlled by the WICKED ONE! 1John 5:19

So according to Jesus Christ of Nazareth many evil things will occur due to quest for power {Matt 24:7-9} what did Jesus order his faithful disciples to do by the time all these is happening?

"Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come" Matthew 24:12-14

He ordered his own disciples to ENDURE TO THE END.
Though it's not easy to BELIEVE (TRUST) in Jesus' commandments but only those trusting (believing) in him will have everlasting life! John 3:16

PeaceJoyLove:
You always want to divert topics and you know me well....I will take you to the main point. You deleted part of my response because you are being mischievous.
The main point here is this:
A terrorist chops off heads unprovoked, but as for me, I am going to chop off his head after he signs a paper which proves him wrong. With all pleasure, I will chop it off. See, I will even set up a calabash under to collect his blood as if drips from his lifeless body and head which I will process into many other nutrients. For your info, I will bring out some red wine from it too.... Na him give me his head. After, I will set it up on a pole for vultures to feast on.
So, I am asking you too Max. Are you also sure there is no hell to the extent of putting your head on line for me to chop off? The guy is a joke...he doesnt believe in what he is preaching to the extent of offering his head as a barbeque for vultures. Can you Max?

Sorry it's believers that's talking here, insanes and cannibals aren't welcomed in any sane society!

Emusan:
And it's actually BANNED and not BARRED!

ITK won't kill

OK you're welcome!

gideonjeta:
I have cited/quoted Bible verses supporting the view that Bad people do not literally burn in hell but are destroyed, if totally unrepentant of their wrongdoings. If you have a contrary view, you can quote or cite Bible verses. It's a discussion.

Is it the above post you responded to with the below?

PeaceJoyLove:
I am asking you again...if you are sure your position is the truth......please, put your head on the table so I can chop it off. See, we will call philosophers who will disprove your analysis. And believe me, I will remove your head with all pleasure and serve it to vultures in the forest.

No wonder TERRORISTS are everywhere!

cornelboy:
No that's outdated. Talk about Jesus (Christians model) and his disciples and the early church generally.
Did they participate in politics?
No they didn't.
Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world".

Joseph and Daniel both participated in the political affairs of foreign pagan nations, but they were slaves none of them raised any flag for the position, they were called to serve and they don't have any contrary opinion.
According to God's word nations choosing human rulers are doing what God hates most, that's why Samuel told the Israelites it's a crime against the Almighty God and that the Israelites will pay severely for it! 1Samuel 8:4-22

Do you notice how cruel human rulers will be? Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

Well Samuel concluded by telling them:

When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king (ruler) you have chosen, but the LORD will not answer you in that day." 1Sameul 8:18

The reason is because Satan is the real overall ruler of the world today {1John 5:19} he gained this after the first human pair rebelled against the Creator so they passed all their unborn generations under Satan's rule {2Corinthians 4:4} Satan can't rule successfully because for LOVE, JOY and PEACE to reign in the human society all of us must be like humble children {Matthew 11:25} but Satan promised his own subjects that "they will be like God" {Genesis 3:4-5} each of them wants to rule as in dominate their fellowman.
So instead of the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit to reign in the midst of the Creatures made in God's image {Galatians 5:22-23} it's the WORKS of the flesh that will continue ravaging mankind! Galatians 5:19-21

That's why Satan's system will all fail until God's Kingdom comes to wipe them all out! Daniel 2:44

Let the one who has ears listen! Matthew 13:9

RAZOR619:
WE WILL NOT SAY MUCH BUT GO READ matthew 25:41, mark 9:44-49. THEN U REGAIN YOUR SENCE.

Jesus is the prophet foretold to come and say lots of things in PARABLES so if you're not connected to his true disciples you will just look in vain and read his words in vain! Matt 13:13 compare to Daniel 12:10