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blueAgent:
More Story as usual .

For those with listening ears {Matt 13:9} not forced down anyone's throat!

Janosky:
Who is the Moderator of Religion Section of Nairaland?
Why would the Moderator sit back and watch shady, fraudulent, dubious individuals on this forum REMOVE and DUBIOUSLY USE Janosky moniker or other monikers to post FALSE claims?

The Moderator,Mr OAM4J,or whatever moniker you bear on this forum, do you approve of your moniker (or Janosky moniker in screenshot )
to being used by someone else,Mr Courz to post their FALSE claims on this forum?
Since 11th June,@11:31pm, and thereafter,Mr Courz have been carrying out his fraudulent activities on other moniker's post.


I demand an explanation for your tacit approval or permissiveness of the shenanigans of Mr Courz moniker on this forum.

In addition,I demand an explanation why evidences of proven medical research are REMOVED by the Moderator of Religion Section?
Why is the Moderator of Nairaland against proven screenshot evidences of medical research ?

Competent and very professional medical personnel respect JWs beliefs (proven in the screenshot),Mr Moderator, why do you disrespect JW beliefs by REMOVING my posts with proven evidences?
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When those claiming believers are banking on the write-up of an atheist and rejoicing over all the posts despite seeing him editing people's posts knowing fully well that he's also editing everything else surely they're simply rejoicing over unrighteousness! 1Corinthians 13:6

Abeg since these false religionists already know that they're banking on the works of an atheist a ridiculer and mocker of anything having to do with Christ {Psalms 1:1} and they don't care to find out what their friend has in mind towards the Christ let them continue dancing in their shamelessness!

MICHIGAS has gotten himself a ban!
Wait for the next 24 hours before typing your stupid lengthy nonsense!

alfarouq:
Yes, Allah guides whom He wills and Yes, Allah guides whoever is sincerely looking for guidance and Yes, He doesn't guide people that reject the truth even after seeing it.

As long as someone sincerely seeks out the truth, Allah will guide him but the arrogant that denies the truth and chose to believe a lie even when deep in his heart he knows it is false, Allah does not guide such people.

So the guidance is there for anyone to seize the opportunity and make use of it not that my God just predestined some.

The truth is not difficult to know because it works out benefits in the gathering of imperfect humans. But everyone will think he has the truth, that's why we need to figure out what are the benefits of the truth you think you have?

The word BELIEVE means TRUST.

Believing in someone doesn't just mean you acknowledge the person exists {James 2:19} a responsibility should go in accord with the plans of the one you claim you believe! James 2:26

So what plans exactly did you know that you can trust in the works of the God you know?

Janosky:
Oga, from Genesis to Revelation,men have been sinning against God & several times God punished the sinners,I challenge you to name one sinner God has been torturing forever in fire.

This is the simplest question nah!

Adam and Eve!

Steep:
The truth remains clear. Sinners would be tormented day and night, if they are anhilated then they can not be said to suffer torment however it never said hell and death would be tormented, what you have there is false equivocation.

The bible clearly stated that the devil and sinful humans would be [tormented forever and ever] it never said death and hell would be tormented, so your attempt to smuggle hell and death into same category as the devil and other sinners is dead on arrival.

The wages of sin is death {Romans 6:23} at death man has fully paid for his sin nothing to be punished for afterwards! Romans 6:7

Steep:
Do you hear yourself?

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
1.The smoke of their torment ascends forever
2. They have no rest day nor night.

Reading parables and applying it literally!

"The smoke of their torment ascend forever" symbolizes the remembrance as faithful survivors keep enjoying the sweet aroma of peace and security.
"They have no rest day not night"
Means whoever hears the story will not feel comfortable listening to the evil they committed while they were here.

God's word in beginning never said evildoers will have eternal life {Genesis 2:17} immortality is a gift for the righteous and not the wicked. Romans 6:23

So if evildoers live forever then it simply means God lied that Adam will die and Satan is the one who spoke the truth saying "you will not really die" Genesis 3:4

Steep:
where does it say hell would be tormented forever? Rather it clearly says sinners would be tormented forever.

Lake of Fire symbolises complete annihilation but if it means a place of torment to you then whatever goes in there should be tormented too. According to God's word DEATH and HELL goes in there first even before any other thing {Revelations 20:14} so if others are going there to be tormented then DEATH and HELL goes there for the same purpose!

alfarouq:
Furthermore, How does the statement that all miracles are with God equate to Muhammad was not giving miracles. If miracles don’t belong to God, Do they belong to you?
Like I said before, the Quran is a book revealed for the guidance of man. It contains instructions and guidance for man.
In the whole of christiandom, there is no book on the same level as the Quran. The bible is at best on the level of Hadith. This is because the bible contains some words that can be attributed to God, some to Jesus, some to Jesus’s disciples and majority to someone that has never met Jesus let alone learn directly from Jesus. Infact he was even a hater of Jesus and his disciples. He came later and said he had a vision and suddenly became the most rated and celebrated person in christiandom. Even rated above those that were Jesus’s students. Since Paul did not learn under Jesus, who is his “Christian teacher” that taught him christianity?

Don’t give me Gamaliel unless you have a biblical proof that he actually taught christianity. To the best of my knowledge Gamaliel is a teacher of Judaism. You can prove me wrong if you believe otherwise with a proof from the bible ofcourse.
Back to the topic of discussion, If you need a biography of the Prophet, the things he did in his life then you have to check the books and records meant for that. That is the hadith. It contains some words of God, the sayings and actions of the prophet PBUH, and the words of his companions. On the first page of this thread I already enumerated some of the miracles that the prophet did. Your believing it or not is not my job.

Expecting that the Quran should document all the miracles of the prophet Muhammad is like expecting a verse in the bible that is attributed to God to narrate the miracles done by Jesus. If there is one please bring it forth. Do not get me wrong, I believe Jesus performed miracles, there are even miracles performed by Jesus that the bible did not mention that was narrated in the Quran. But bring me a statement made by God himself detailing a miracle performed by Jesus. Do not bring me third party statements, I want the one from God.
It will even interest you to know that the prophet Muhammad’s name was mentioned 5 times in the Quran, Jesus 25 times and Moses 136 times.
Again this points to the fact that the Quran was not authored by Muhammad or any human because for someone that desires to be ranked as prophet like Christians accuse prophet Muhammad of, he wont fill the Quran with narrations of the miracles and work of other prophets while barely mentioning his own. This cant be the action of a person that wants to lay claim to prophet-hood.

I am going to conclude with this Surah 54 V1 to 4.

1. The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder.
2.But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is (but) transient magic."
3.They reject (the warning) and follow their (own) lusts but every matter has its appointed time.
4.There have already come to them Recitals wherein there is (enough) to check (them),
Mature wisdom;- but (the preaching of) Warners profits them not.

The above verses were revealed after the polytheists of Makkah then requested for a miracle from the prophet.

When and how did it happen?
The miracle of the splitting of the moon occurred before the migration to Medina upon the demands of the polytheists with the permission of God and it was shown by the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as narrated by many of his companions.
Reaction of some of Arab Pagans to the Moon splitting Miracle:
When Almighty Allah let the moon split in half, one half standing over Mount Abu Qubais and the other half over Mount Quayqian, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said to some of the people present then.
“O Abu Salama b. Abdulasad! Arqam b. Abi’l Erqam! Bear witness!
And to the polytheists, he said, “Bear witness! So and so!
However, the polytheists said “This is one of the spells of Muhammad. They said “Muhammad cast a spell on us!”
Some of them also said:
“If Muhammad had cast a spell on us then, He couldn’t have cast a spell on everyone! Let us ask the wayfarers who came from the surrounding areas if they saw what we saw.”
They asked the people who came from other parts of Arabia to trade in Makkah sho said:
“Yes! We also did see the moon in that state! We saw the moon as split! They informed that the moon was split. Among the people who came from everywhere and seen the moon split, there was no one who had not informed them about it.
I want you to note something from the reaction of the Pagan Arabs then. They did not deny that they saw the moon actually splitted. Their argument was that eventhough they saw it, it was a spell casts upon them. They went ahead to say even if he casts a spell on them that are present he couldn’t have casted a spell on those not arround. They proceeded to ask people that travelled from other parts of the Arabian pennisula to trade in Makkah who have no idea of what transpired between the Pagans and the prophet so that they can confirm it was actually a spell cast on them but got disappointing answers. But did that make them accept Islam? No. That is because people will always have their own way of explaining miracles. For the ones that they can’t explain, they call it magic or spell.

 Islam does not place premium on miracles as proofs or evidences for truthfulness. If miracles alone are proofs/evidence for truthfulness, then doctors and surgeons of today who are nowadays making medical miracles can claim Prophethood. would that be okay?. Or the scientist who are revolutionising science today can easy lay claim to prophet hood. In fact the person that made the first telephone did something then out of the ordinary or the Wright brothers that made and fly the aeroplane when there was none can easily claim that they had performed miracle.

Finally, A lot has been said and I have tried to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge. All the correct things I said are from the God’s guidance and all errors are from me and I take full responsibility for them. Guidance is from God and He guides whom he wills to the truth.

Highlighted is a description of Allah not the God of the Bible because Jesus said:

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16

So Allah has already predestined those it will guide therefore those not guided should not be blamed.
On the other hand Jehovah love the whole world so He's willing to guide everyone of us it's left to those who fails to utilize the underserved kindness (grace) of God to gain salvation!

cornelboy:
Yeah hell (grave) and death too will be tormented and their smoke will rise forever.
Rev. 20:14

It's like misinformed religionists love that word "torment forever" instead of asking Jesus' anointed brothers to teach them what the verse means, they just feel like something should be crying in pains forever before a loving God!

Just as the living has continued to remember Noah's unrepentant contemporaries as if they're still drowning in the flood, and the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah as if they're still burning in the fire, that's how we will forever continue to remember all what we went through during the times death, grave digging and evildoers were in operation!

That's what tormented forever means for death, hell and whoever is not found written in God's plan for continuous existence! Revelations 20:15 compare to Psalms 37:10

jimmynauty:
Finally please get your pvc

I have mine already but i won't like to offend you by voting against your preferred candidate so i'll keep it for formality sake!

GdNews32:
If the Word of GOD or JESUS CHRIST is our foundation there will be no Denominations.
False practices, traditions. etc divided the Church. We should avoid the practices and embrace sound doctrine.

According to the Bible Jesus selected twelve apostles after gathering hundreds of disciples, each of the apostles have gifts that differs but they all have the same line of thought which is the teachings of Christ {John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10} those in the congregation later began admiring these Apostles to the point of rating one above the other.
That's what Paul condemned back then.
So which religious group do you know having a small group of overseers yet all have the same line of thought today?

El Rufai is just playing the game right!
During the first century his brother in politics (Herod Antipas) who initially felt reluctant to kill John the baptist (God's prophet) out of fear of the masses:

However, although he wanted to kill him, he feared the crowd, because they took him for a prophet. Matthew 14:5

Later began killing the followers of Jesus when he discovered that the masses are pleased with it!

About that time Herod the king began mistreating some of those of the congregation. He put James the brother of John to death by the sword. When he saw that it was pleasing to the Jews, he also went on to arrest Peter. (This was during the days of the Unleavened Bread.) He seized him and put him in prison, turning him over to four shifts of four soldiers each to guard him, intending to bring him out before the people after the Passover Act 12:1-4

So don't think politicians are fighting for any religion, this same El-Rufai will down on his two knees when greeting Olusegun Obasanjo (a professed Christian) all of them fully knows the rules of the game, it's brainwashed masses that are ignorant of the games these people are playing with their lives!

AgirlsNightmAre:
So you mean God favors people of another race over another?
That ended when the Christian Congregation was established in A.D33 and opportunity extended to the Gentiles in A.D36.
Like I said they are no Africans in top positions at the Warwick Headquarters and it's a fact you've admitted.
God did not appoint any of the so-called GB, they only put themselves in the place of christ.
We the real Christians recognize Christ as the head of the Ecclesia, not some men who take joy in misleading gullible people.

Abeg the highlighted!
Why must all rules and judicial decisions come from the Jewish elders and Apostles in JERUSALEM?


And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem! Isaiah 2:3

Correlates with Act 2:42; 15:2, 28-29; 16:4

Please answer using the scriptures.
Thanks!

Omooba77:
Hmmmm, America constitution was like from Bible....

SAKAMAJE!
Gay rights, Lesbianism, Witchcraft and so on that were legalized are also from the Bible shey?
The founding fathers of America thought they are for God but any student of the Bible will know it's mere assumption!

cornelboy:
Is Matthew 11:12 about the world or Nigeria government?

Jesus, Paul, Peter, the rest of Jesus'apostles and the early church, did they participate in politics or were neutral?

We know from the Bible that Satan is the God and ruler of this world. So it wouldn't change anything if some Christians joined politics.
Besides, they would always fail or become like other diabolical political if they really want to succeed.

Politics na your mate abi?

They will simply die there!
Satan only use politics as the last bait to capture people in their billions, they will think they're fighting for what is right but before long they will find themselves involved in all the works of the flesh {Galatians 5:19-21} they supposed to frown at this things but because they're seeking support they must welcome it all.
In the last primary election the one and only governor who declared SHARIA in his state during his tenor as governor got just one vote in the north!
What does this teaches us?
Politicians know among themselves that they aren't for God rather each person is looking for supporters and they're ready to switch over to any side even if it means endorsement of gay and lesbian rights, the man must have been shocked to see that where the people have been brainwashed with sharia he who uphold it during his tenor lost galantly in an electoral process!

Hismasterpiece:
That also goes in my favor, dear brother

If we both believe that the true God has given each person working brains with the ability to discern between truth and falsehood then there's no need telling one not to listen to another.
For your information that's exactly what religious TERRORISTS meant fighting to stop other religions from airing their views.
So if you will be my brother in Christ then you must believe in Jesus of Nazareth who gave everyone the opportunity to listen to different opinions before making their choice. You can tell your own children or followers what to or not to listen to but not the general public!

Jesus of Nazareth would only live and die in the pages of a book just like Harry Potter if we can't point to his achievements.

All the elements used in making things like electricity, radio, television, telephones, cars, aeroplanes, computers and many more are there on this planet before some humans discovered how to make use of it to manufacture these things, but after they've achieved those things their names were written not just on marbles but in the hearts of all users of their discoveries.

So what has Jesus discovered that we can point to as evidence of the fact that he once walked this planet?

Well humans are as old as this planet and the way we relate has always been the same: few influential ones dominating the majority and using weapons to forcefully imposed their opinion on them. This is how the human society has been from time immemorial.

But the Bible foretold a time when people from different races throughout the earth will come together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally and obediently submissive to the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} without the threat of weapons! Isaiah 2:2-4
This is what Jesus achieved with his teachings today as millions across the globe willingly subjected themselves to the teachings of Jesus and living by the rules without anyone threatening them with weapons to become submissive to the rules!

If we can't see this within our society today {Act 1:8} then forget about Jesus of Nazareth he must be just a fictional character!

LOVE is a quality or attribute and it can only be perceived through ACTION.
A loving God created the earth out of LOVE.
Prepared all what humans need out of LOVE.
Made humans rulers over other creatures out of LOVE.
Set standards for humans not to rule over one another out of LOVE.
Warned them about the consequences of trying to rule over themselves out of LOVE.
So if some chose to be rebellious and want to ruin this wonderful prospect the same God will send them back to non-existence out of LOVE for the obedient ones! Revelations 11:18

MasonKendall:
And who is a true Christian?

A true Christian is the person who has made Jesus of Nazareth the man known as CHRIST his role model.
The group name "CHRISTIANS" was derived from the title "CHRIST" and in the Bible the man called Jesus of Nazareth was believed by his followers to be the CHRIST due to the way he lived his life after baptism.
His disciples were fully convinced that Jesus is the Son of God {Matt 16:13-16} this is so because throughout history no human has perfectly reflected God's attributes like this young Jewish carpenter {John 1:18} but then no human can perfectly be like him, why? Because Jesus is not from this planet {John 8:23} unlike all other humans Jesus never inherited imperfection from Adam so his brains, body, feelings, emotions and thoughts were perfect.
If that's the case with Jesus of Nazareth known as "CHRIST" then how come imperfect humans can rightly be called "CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26
Well it's because Jesus left behind a legacy for his disciples (followers) and strictly warned them never to deviate from it {John 14:23; 15:14 compare to Luke 9:62} this legacy was hard because his friends were normal humans like everyone else so how are they going to cope with the standard Jesus laid down? Jesus made them understand that they must work together as a team if they want to succeed in living by his rules {Matt 18:20 compare to Hebrew 10:24-25} the task he gave them was to gather subjects ready for him throughout the world in preparation for his inevitable coming Kingdom (government) Matt 28:18-20
So they must preach (plead with their neighbours) and teach whoever give them a listening ear how life will be in God's Kingdom.

In Satan's world WEAPONS are used for forceful subjection of citizens to live by rules but Jesus ruled out forceful rulership which is what we know today as POLITICS by telling his disciples never to use force in setting standards among themselves nor for others outside their group {Matt 26:52} that's why they were know back in the first century as CHRISTIANS since they're always easygoing ever willing to subject themselves under any government and never seen struggling for the first place in the society:

"and whoever wants to be first among you must be your slave" Matt 20:27

So whenever people in the first century notice this group with this teachings they quickly remember that man known as "CHRIST" that's why they began calling them"CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26

Today many people have been misinformed about Jesus of Nazareth, they don't even know what he taught talkless thinking of how to live by his teachings, hence discussion like this are raised "Can A true Christian be actively involved politics?"

Going by what we learned through the study of Jesus' life and ministry, and the manner his disciples back then humbly conducted themselves in the society the sincere and honest answer to this question is capital NO!

Thanks!

Hismasterpiece:
I'm responding to this post https://www.nairaland.com/7162565/bad-people-burn-hell by gideonjeta

There is a common misconception that Hell doesn't exist and all references to this place in Scripture is actually a metaphor for the grave. This train of thought is common among a cult know as the Jehovah's Witnesses.

But the truth is that Hell is indeed a place where people are currently and the following Scripture makes it clear

2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;

Hell, based on the above Scripture is a literal place where there are literal Angels reserved in chains for the day of Judgement. Note that the Scripture makes it clear that they have not been judged yet. A parallel Scripture would be the one below

Jud 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home--these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

Let me mention again that Hell is not the final abode of the wicked. The following Scripture tells us what will happen on the day of Judgement

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell gave up the dead in them. And they were each judged according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death.

Hell is a place that currently holds not only Angels, but humans also. The story of the rich man and Lazarus found in Luke 16 makes this clear.

Hell is a place bad people go to when they die. Man is a spirit and there several Scriptures that prove this emphatically. When man dies his spirit departs from his body and goes to either Heaven or Hell to await the day of Judgement.

Now one reason why people say that God couldn't have created Hell is because they believe that Hell paints God in a bad light. On the contrary, I actually believe that Hell actually makes God out to be a really awesome person! Why do I say that? For the following reasons

1. The existence of Hell shows that God hates evil and shows just how much He hates it. The fact that He is willing to let the wicked rot there for eternity shows that He indeed has strong hatred for evil and this, I believe, shows just how good He is.

2. God loves evil people and doesn't want them to go to hell. In fact, Scripture tells us that God is saddened by the death of evil people. God doesn't enjoy watching His creation suffer in Hell.

3. God has made it clear in Scripture that He doesn't want any human to go there. In fact, Scripture tells us that Hell was originally prepared for the Devil and his angels and when man rebelled against God, he too became destined to go there.

4. God has made a way for all to escape Hell through His Son Jesus. You don't have to go to hell. You can live forever with God. God has made a way for this to be so by placing faith in His Son Jesus.

Hell is real! Don't let the Jehovah's Witnesses and Annihilationists deceive you. Don't listen to people like Kobojunkie that have a twisted interpretation of Scripture.

Please lets all abide by the truth. God bless!

When people patiently listen to healthful words they will grasp facts.
Thank God for freedom of speech, expression, worship and association today, nobody can stop others from hearing the truth! John 8:32

PeaceJoyLove:
No one has been to the moon, and you have no evidence to back it up that it was all gimmicks that man has been to the moon. Also, I am sure, it was a gimmick to you that Elon travelled to Space.

Many times, I am shocked how easy pastors and fake bible scholars put some things into your brains. Normally, it is hard to believe some things. But how you guys believe such marvels me.

Look at this mumu. He went to hell....and it is real to him.....and he wants us to believe.....and mind you...no show about his journey. Hmmmm. Yet, the same person call man's visitations to the moon gimmicks. Seriously,99% of humans are stupid. This one is a specie in such category..

Before you engage anyone in any conversation, it is appropriate to measure the assimilation rate of the person, otherwise, it is fruitless discussing with such. This one is an olodo.

Funny issue is that he will give birth to even more olodos...and dundies...this is how many mumus are so many in Nigeria. Na fufu fill dem.brains..

See reasoning. I dont need to try meet you...just like your Max, I'm sure you need help . We can help you get a job so you dropped living in your abstract world. Dundie has been to hell fire. ...

Mumu said it without thinking that he has been to hell fire... ....yet called human visitations to the moon a joke. See eh, let not everyone with access to internet can use his or her brain.

To be deliberate foo.lish like this mumu is definitely too difficult, so I give it to you for being deliberately stu.pid to this level. It must have been a hard trial. Anyone who attempts to correct your foolishness definitely is not wise. Therefore, I gat to leave you alone. definitely,you must respond to this cos it is part of your foolishness..

No problem...just as you inherited it from your papa and mama, so you give it to your kids in multiple folds. Generations of dundie United.

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We believe that Jehovah Witness is a cult that should be outlawed, just as it is in Russia. Why? They also promote many unproven doctrines and strange teachings as gospel. And they compel and force people to conform to their standards. If you ask them more questions, they will not respond because they do not have answers. They would rather force you to accept their faith. We are using this medium to tell them to force their beliefs on those who visit their shrines rather than forcing them on the general public.

As a result, we recommend that you do not accept all Jehovah Witness posts as the truth, but rather contributions that one of them has accepted. We have an evidence to back this up. And their contributions could be either false or true. We advise you not to take Jehovah Witness posts as the gospel. Please take the time to read and ask questions whenever you read their posts. Also, read other people's opinions and compare them with their. I assure you that you will see lies in their teachings.

In short, there are strong indications that Jehovah Witness is a cult you should avoid.

For example:

Jehovah Witnesses always mention Jesus. This Jesus they keep mentioning, why did they use "a god" to address him? Why? Mind you...they have said many times that Jesus or God dont speak to us anyone, but we learn through the Bible. And we know that Jehovah Witness read KJV which didnt call Him .."a god" till 1940s. So, how did they know that Jesus is "a god"? Please...Jesus and God cannot tell them ooo because they said they both dont speak to us again...and the available scriptures did not call Him "a god". How did they come about this?

Hmmm... So, if they can explain well, we will know they know this Jesus intimately. If they cannot answer, do they have the right to right to call on Jesus?


My other questions
1. Why did Jehovah Witness change God to "a god" in their Bible?
2. They said a few among the saint will go to heaven and the remaining will stay in earth. Let them proceed this beyond reasonable doubt.
3. The story of Lazarus and the rich man is about hell. Let them tell us if it is a real story or an ordinary parable of Jesus. And they should show us the proof of their stand.

They should use verified sources for these verifications.▪︎ Verified proofs are sources that we can really verify.


4 Jehovah Witnesses down on NL. MaxInDHouse, Cornelboy, ibomrep, Janosky, bukola94 have all tried but they have failed so far. These are the sheep in wolves in NL, beware of them

Peace be unto everyone!

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Madam Terrorist!
It's obvious you're still living in dark ages when false religionists do force their beliefs on others, please wake up this is the 21th century where there is FREEDOM of SPEECH, EXPRESSION, WORSHIP and ASSOCIATION!
For your information Ma, even witches and wizards have their freedom today and the American government do give them the privilege of having their own holidays.
So the world has changed from forceful worship, nobody forcefully determines what anyone believes today!

Newton2024:
Your choice.
Make God deliver you.

Saved by His undeserved kindness (grace)
Thanks, God bless you and may you have peace!

Arizonaz:
I have gone through the Bible reference and it explains a lot. But as Christian, we must carry out our civic duties. It's already a prophecy which has been fulfilling from time past.

If you feel like it's OK, the OP was talking about active participation in politics so i think that's the topic of discussion for now, we can discuss that later.

Engr2016:
Perhaps you should emigrate to Afghanistan and live under the Taliban before coming to utter these words. Easier said than done.

My brothers and sisters are in all the nations throughout the world and worshiping our God acceptably by the rules set in those nations. In fact it's among people who claims they're Christians that we do have issues mostly, once we know the rules set by any human government we obey with the exception of forceful worship and Muslims don't force anyone to join them in worship rather they only resist orders coming from those they view as pagans or infidels, but on the other hand misinformed churchgoers are ready to force their neighbors if not due to law and order.
In Russia it's the religionists claiming Christians that are backing Vladimir Putin to continue persecuting Jehovah's Witnesses!

That's why the European Union keep asking Putin's government to explain what exactly is the offense of Jehovah's Witnesses: The most peaceful and peace-loving group!

Newton2024:
That means you are willing and happy to live under the governance of evil Islam'ic jihadists right? Anything they like they should do you. This is zeal coupled ignorance.

Do you use to vote?

In fact i will be safer under their government than your church people because all i need to study is their laws and master it even better than them.
Since i'm not into dragging political seats with them everything will be easier than being in the midst of you church people who are always talking about dominate! dominate!! dominate!!!
Vote for who?

Newton2024:
To say I am sad with this your belief is an understatement not only because of you but because there are also many people like you. You have decided to surrender your God's given privilege to determine your destiny and that of the your generations to the world.

Jesus never taught me about any future apart from God's Kingdom {Matt 6:10} according to Jesus in this world i am going to experience lots of tribulations {John 16:33} so i'm not interested in the whatever politicians are promising you {Psalms 146:3-4} i have it all in Jesus.
Paradise will soon be here my friend {Luke 23:43} and all these evil will be things of the past! Revelations 21:3-5

Newton2024:
Catholic did not create Islam. Islam had been existing before Catholicism, it is one of the ancient idols worshipping in Arabia. It was when Mohammed grew that he chose only islam (his family traditional religion), destroy other gods/shrines and killed worshipers of other gods. Historically, MuhamMad or Muhammed, is from the tribe of Ishmael.

God has prophesied that Ishmael and his generations would be terr-orists to his brothers (offerings of Isaac and others)

The Arabians and Israelites never shared the same line of thought regarding worship. Arabians worshiped various deities unlike the Israelites who had the law in which it's written that there's only one God {Deuteronomy 6:4} all the ideas of only one God and affluence the Roman Catholic Church Pope had is what Muhammad desires.
That's why he followed everything the Roman Catholic teaches with the exception of Jesus being God's only begotten Son and the trinity, apart from these two everything else is tailored after the teachings of the Catholic Church!

Newton2024:
It is people like you that make muslims think Christians are not relevant. You are a minus to Christendom. I don't know why you people always quote the bible out of its connotation and denotation, given it your own interpretation.

I regret being in a country where christians are docile and passive to the advantage of jihadists. You are not doing yourself any good by surrendering your right to fundamentalists. It is a pity.

I surrendered it all for the kingdom of God in Jesus name Amen!

Engr2016:
Even the bolded portion you did does not contradict the scriptures. The fact that some or many Christians compromise or blend with the world does not mean all other or every Christian will do the same. Neither does it mean JESUS said Christians must not be involved in governance. In every other areas of life such as accounting, engineering, business etc, some christians still compromise. But does that mean they should stopped being accountants, engineers, businesmen etc? The answer is a capital NO. Remember even Prophet Elijah said he was the only person remaining for Him but GOD said he still have several righteous men standing for Him.

Well i believe those first century Christians understood Jesus better that's why they never had anything to do with politics.
All other fields they venture into with the exception of POLITICS!