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chieveboy:
Name of author please. Who

His name is YHWH.

chieveboy:
We haven't started and lies are already pouring in. The two scriptures speak nothing about writing a book.

Here is the scripture:



Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. ‭Isaiah 2:3 NIV‬
How can many peoples come and obey a law that's not WRITTEN?🤔

chieveboy:
You cannot declare yourself the true sect. The gist of this thread also aims at asking if God was done talking to his children today or immediately the moment the last biblical text was written?

The Author said:
NO ADDITIONAL NO SUBTRACTION! Revelation 22:17

chieveboy:
Are Israelites the only people he made? What happened to talking to the Igbos regarding conditions peculiar to them instead of Igbos having to "become Israelites/Jews by faith" if that was possible?

Let any other tribe present what their God told them there is no need arguing over what the God who called Himself the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob said! Exodus 3:15

What exactly is the intention of the One who Authored the Bible?

If His intentions aren't met that is when you can talk of inadequacy but when it has been achieved while you are looking elsewhere how will you know that AI is nothing besides the Bible?

Well God arranged that a book should be written so that all adherents of this book can form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Of course you will be looking at all the religions claiming Christians as you don't know the identifying mark of true Christians otherwise no critical thinker will argue that the Bible has not achieved what no book or scientific discovery could ever achieve in the next one million years to come!🙂

chieveboy:
We will be detailing this thread if we thread this route about the authorship of the Bible...Moreover I once asked you in another thread about the biblical bases of the Bible, you failed to respond till date. This thread if I should summarise speaks about the inadequacy of a static book to properly bear the identity of a "Living (word)". By the barest definition, it is not dynamic by way of accepting updates of content. This closed-loop and dead-end nature of the book not growing beyond the ancient 66 books actually is what the opposite of living (or dynamic) looks like. Earlier, I argued that even in terms of going by what a Bible literally means, there are several contributors to the work of Christianity that far outweighs the disciples in terms of sacrifices made, martyrdoms suffered, etc.

chieveboy:
Why don't we talk about the much you can do without the Bible using AI?

Before you make comparison why not ask for understanding regarding what the Bible Author intended to achieve with the book?

chieveboy:
We clearly do not understand what this topic is about. You didn't get the gist

The topic speaks in volumes.
So what can AI do besides the Bible?

Wait until AI accomplishes the Good works the Bible is doing among it's real adherents first!🙂

Now i know you've been traumatized by discussing with me but since you are saucy i won't engage you on this anymore just know that the Hebrew word translated HELL simply means GRAVE!🙂

QuinQ:
Most people don't mind NOT going to heaven. They just don't want to land in hell. JW taught people like MaxInDHouse that there is nothing like hell?

kayjordan:
"How long will JW members live on earth in modern times to "meet up" with the time the "curse" will be broken"?

Do you still remember the first Jehovah's Witness?
Well his name is Jesus Christ. When he lived on this planet he gave us the hope of everlasting life by resurrecting on the third day after his execution but how many years did Jesus spend on planet earth?
As in how old was Jesus when he was killed?
For your information Jesus was killed at 33½ years!
So if the first Jehovah's Witness lived for just 33½ years as human on planet earth and resurrected three days later that is what gives us a sure hope that all our brothers from Abel till today will be resurrected back to life no matter how old they died in this system of things.
This is what Job said regarding what you are asking:

O that in the Grave you would conceal me, That you would hide me until your anger passes by, That you would set a time limit for me and remember me! If a man dies, can he live again? I will wait all the days of my compulsory service Until my relief comes. You will call, and I will answer you. You will long for the work of your hands. Job 14:13-15

So my guy what you missed is the hope of a resurrection which Jesus and all our brothers in ancient times believe! John 5:28-29; 11:23-24; Act 24:15

Ọmọ it's not how old but a sure hope of RESURRECTION back to life!🙂

kayjordan:
Very, very interesting!
I like the honesty of your scientific analysis.
I'll address the "Revelation 21:3-4" chapter and verses you pasted in the next bubble.

Please Sir i'll be busy today until 5pm

Good morning Sir!

Why did God arrange for His message to be written?

If you don't know the purpose of God's word you can't know whether it has been well preserved. Daniel 12:10🙂

kayjordan:
WHO IS/ARE THE OLDEST JW MEMBERS RIGHT NOW?
Kindly state the current highest ages of your members in the most transparent way possible.

Please may i know the reason why you asked this question?
Well sickness, oldage and death spread to all humans whether they worship the true God or not {Romans 5:12} so JWs also grow old and die the same way like all other humans. The glory of God which should have kept Adam and Eve alive forever is no longer in humans. Romans 3:23

kayjordan:
*Remember thou shall not lie*

Wow!🙂
Why did you think someone could lie just to support what is not real?
Are you paying me for the information?
Well this is the GOOD NEWS about God's Kingdom. Act 5:42

I know you are hearing it for the first time ever that's why it sounds so strange to you.

Now you know why the Bible said:

With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.” Revelation 21:3-5

So my guy i'm not lying it's what God told His servant to pen down as promises from the FAITHFUL and ONLY TRUE GOD! 🙂

kayjordan:
The logical question: When God's Kingdom starts ruling , will JW members return to youthfulness physically or spiritually?
Remember they're two different thing's.

This question needs logical reasoning to get the answer.
After God created Adam and Eve their death came as consequence of rebellion {Genesis 2:17} not something natural so oldage, sickness and death all came due to the curse Adam got. Genesis 3:17-19

Note also that the type of fruits on the planet back then were really nourishing that people who lived then spent 900, 800, 700 years. Genesis 5:5-32

Gradual decline in age range is because good food on the planet keeps disappearing as the ground gets drier and drier. Genesis 3:17-18
Before then there were morning dews which always makes the ground to be wet but after the curse the dew stopped {Genesis 3:17} for thousands of years so all the good vegetations and fruits keeping people strong vanish and never grew again and until the time of Noah the ground keeps drying away. Genesis 8:21-22

Note that nobody lives as long as Noah's generation after the flood.

WHY?

Because despite the curse the remaining vegetations and foods that were growing then kept them stronger and healthier than ever but afterwards generations that followed them only lived lesser than 200 years and the decline has continued till today. Genesis 25:7-8

So when God bless the earth and those living on it again {Psalms 67:6-7} He promised to return all those vegetations that people were eating before Noah's generation {Revelation 22:1} then oldage will no longer be {Job 33:25} neither will there be death {Revelation 21:3-4} rather we will live forever! Romans 6:23 🙂

Ken4Christ:
You are doing a great job for the devil. Don't beg for mercy when you see yourself in hell because you are a sure candidate of hell.

What is Hell?🙂
Instead of humbly accepting the truth you are lying to your own soul because of materialism.
Well that's your problem not mine!

kayjordan:
I'd like you to make things clear for me and other readers - are you writing in spiritual terms or physical terms?

You aren't asking questions based on the spiritual but physical as in what you can see in progress so i'm talking about the PHYSICAL!

kayjordan:
You say - "Our God promised us EVERLASTING LIFE" - do you mean in the spiritual sense or physical sense?
The Christians retirement plan is in Heaven.

I've told you to focus only on Jehovah's Witnesses when talking about Christians where God created for humans is planet earth not heaven! Psalms 115:16

kayjordan:
Don't mistake earth for people.
You claim people are in control of their behaviors - so who is in control of the Earth's natural disasters?

God!
So when rebellion is no more God will control all the forces of nature for our good.

kayjordan:
Let's assume you're correct that religionists killing themselves over politics and racism need a cure - what about the peaceful Arabs, Indians, Africans and Americans doing good things - aren't they "cured" already?

Except they are JWs nursing the idea of killing those depriving them of good governance won't disappear.

kayjordan:
Why is the JW so under-populated (9million) compared to the Catholic Church? - why are their hospitals (Catholic) so full compared to yours?

The world is filled with sick people how many know what religion supposed to achieve among adherents?
Even the JWs are people from all these false religions who has been convinced regarding what is their real problem.

kayjordan:
A BIG QUESTION: If God's kingdom on earth starts to rule, how old would you be by then?

When God's Kingdom starts ruling there won't be aging anymore rather we will all return to youthful vigor! Job 33:25

honesttalk21:
Well with all you have written the god you all are compare to the supreme being God are what?

Thieves!🙂

kayjordan:
I'm lost - what's the "most distant part of the earth" - is that heaven in parables or earth still?
Please explain the "distant Part".

Today Jehovah's Witnesses are moving to all the corners of the earth with our message and we are reporting back to our headquarters where we haven't reached Jesus said it's when we reach all the places inhabited by humans! Matthew 28:19-20

kayjordan:
The scriptural analysis you give seems not have "eternity" in its message, yet the believers will enjoy peace on a temporary earth...
Would the enjoyment be for life?

Our God promised us EVERLASTING LIFE! Psalms 37:29; John 3:16

kayjordan:
Would the enjoyment be on the moon?

God created earth for human habitation not moon Sir! Genesis 1:26-28🙂

kayjordan:
Would JW members be immortal to finally enjoy all they've labored for?
Please make it clear!

As God's children we supposed to live forever without dying! Revelation 21:3-4

kayjordan:
Okay?! - why do the islands in the Caribbeans still experience water disasters? - why does Japan still experience earthquakes? Except if you are speaking in parables - one needs to understand what you mean by "there were no disaster of any kind".

It's not God that is ruling the planet nah!😟
It's like calling Peter Obi or Abubakar Atiku to come and solve a problem when there is a sitting president in power. So it's when God's Kingdom starts ruling that all those things will stop!

kayjordan:
Now, many religions are actually getting "cure" for their sicknesses in their own "hospitals" - if they weren't, they would have called your General Overseer by now - including all those speaking well of JW.

You don't know the symptoms that's why you don't know who are getting cured. I'm talking about religionists killing themselves over politics and racism. Ọmọ only Jehovah's Witnesses have the cure!🙂

kayjordan:
Lastly, out of curiosity - when all evil is wiped out, what would the JW be praying for when there are no principalities to rebuke anymore?

My guy we don't pray like Churchians so if you don't know what we believe you can't know what we pray for!🙂

kayjordan:
"When will the removals begin?"
"How long will the removals take?"

According to the Bible it will begin when the Jehovah's Witnesses have reached the most distant part of the earth {Act 1:8 compare to Matthew 24:14} then Jesus will come down with his warrior angels {Matthew 25:31 compare to Revelation 19:11-16} they will slaughter anyone who refused to obey what Jesus commanded on this planet! Luke 17:37

kayjordan:
"Will one still be alive when all evildoers have been finally removed for peace to reign?"

God's word said no single evildoer will be left that day in fact we will look out for them and none will be found! Psalms 37:10

kayjordan:
"Will one even benefit from the peaceful earth afterwards?"

How will you feel if you lost something really valuable only to get on the radio and tv stations announcements asking for the owner of the valuables?

How will you feel when you and your spouse can walk anywhere you want at anytime without the fear of hoodlums or robbers?

How will you feel when you walk about in the jungle and no animals attack you or your loved ones?

Ọmọ Paradise will come whether Satan wants it or not and obedient mankind will enjoy everlasting peace! Isaiah 32:17🙂

kayjordan:
Whilst my submission on the age difference between "Religion" and "Earth" (Natural disasters) is intuitive - here is a text evidence as requested:
The Earth is billions of years older than human religion. Scientific evidence places the Earth's age at approximately to billion years old, while human religious practices are estimated to be tens of thousands of years old, with evidence of early spiritual behavior dating back to around BCE.

Exactly what the Bible teaches but then after God worked on the planet it became habitable and there were no disaster of any kind.

kayjordan:
According to research, Religion have many founders including Jesus Christ who founded Christianity. The true religion can be "many" hospitals - as people will always have preferences (choices).

OK if you wish to know God Himself founded the true religion for a purpose:
To gather all obedient descendants of Adam and Eve under one umbrella and teach them how they can get the best treatment to cure the evil implanted in mankind which is POLITICS (the desire to dominate fellow intelligent beings)
But the idea of preference is deceitful because only the true religion can cure human form that evil trait false religions can't that's why any sincere individual need to find the true religion it's like seeing different hospitals all claiming they are the best while only one is curing its patients.
Will you go to the hospitals that failed to cure their patients?🙂

kayjordan:
Also look at it demographically: If all Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, Idol worshipers in the entire world converted to JW - how "much" people would the JW Church buildings be able to accommodate?

If all the inhabitants of planet earth are converted to JW then we don't need large buildings anymore all we need is little groups of two to three families in a big apartment after all everyone will love to welcome their brothers and sisters in Christ so if we gather in brother A's apartment today we can go to brother B's apartment tomorrow!🙂

Kingsolar:
It's what you don't have control over. It comes uncontrollable most times.

“Ah! What have we to do with you, Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ? Did you come to destroy us? I know exactly who you are, the Holy One of God.” Luke 4:34

Please through whose mouth were this words above spoken?
Human or angel?🤔

honesttalk21:
You are best to tell. Your Bible calls these spirits god and should say how they come to the supreme being God. Does it not say?

The title "GOD" means SUPREME BEING but then some spirits and humans wants to rule so they were determined to dominate their fellow creatures that is the beginning of Gods who are not the supreme being.
Eve told Satan God's judgment over rebellion but Satan said:

“You certainly will not die. For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad. Genesis 3:4-5

So spirits and humans who wanted to become Gods were lied to that's why God told all of them:

“I have said, ‘You are gods, All of you are sons of the Most High. But you will die just as men do; And like any other prince you will fall!" Psalms 82:6-7

So there is no lesser Gods controlling stronger God they are only deceiving themselves because God will destroy all of them!

kayjordan:
'JW can't be as old as Jesus Christ...

According to the Bible Jesus is the first Jehovah's Witness ever {Revelation 1:5} the rest are his brothers who love doing what pleases our heavenly father just like Jesus. Hebrews 12:1
So Jesus himself is the foundation of that religion: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

kayjordan:
If there's a storm, earthquake, tsunami or hurricane on earth - "WHO" do we hold responsible for these natural disasters of the earth?
If there are animals and humans on planet earth (believers & unbelievers), how will they live in peace amid natural disasters?

There can never be any disaster as God promised to control all the forces of nature. Things went wrong after God CURSED the earth due to the rebellion in Eden {Genesis 3:17} but all evildoers will removed from our planet home {Psalms 37:9-11} then God our God will bless the earth and all those living on it! Psalms 67:6-7
In fact our God promised that nothing bad will come from nature again so the thought of natural disaster will vanish forever! Revelation 21:3-5

kayjordan:
The racism, war and hatred you are talking about is a foundation of RELIGION. Greedy people created RELIGION, Wicked people created RELIGION. Centuries ago, when man faced grave danger, man decided to create a weapon for himself - and that weapon is RELIGION.

Who is the founder of religion and which religion since we know today that there are countless religions?

kayjordan:
Every good thing you are enjoying in this world was built on BAD FOUNDATION. At some point, someone would give his life during war for peace in his country...... Persons may die on their way to the top of Mount Everest or even to the moon just to bring back home knowledge.....
Someone may sacrifice his life for a major bridge or national project to be constructed.... The peace you seek doesn't exist.

Do you have any written document to back this up?

kayjordan:
NO RELIGION, NO SCHOOL OF THOUGHT can change that - simply because - no matter the group you follow, YOUR TRUE CHARACTER will stand you out from the rest in that very group. The JW Organization is no different from the above mentioned.

The true religion is not by force so you can opt out anytime you choose to that is why the word of our God says:


Who may ascend the mountain of the Lord? Who may stand in his holy place? The one who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not trust in an idol or swear by a false god. ‭Psalms 24:3-4 NIV‬
No matter how bad a person could be our God doesn't give up on anyone as long as the person is willing to get help for a change. So the true religion is like an hospital where sick people willingly goes to get treatment and only those who wants to continue living adhere to doctor's prescriptions.
So if anyone feels he doesn't want to be healed of his bad habits no one can force that on the person but he can't continue standing on the mountain of the true God! 1Corinthans 5:12-13🙂

@ Kayjordan
Please i will be busy today until 5pm so we will continue our discussion later!🙂

SmartPolician:
A wealthy man can convert 10,000 souls for God in a week, but a poor believer will hardly win ONE soul for God.

According to Jesus of Nazareth you are wrong!

"It is easier, in fact, for a camel to get through the eye of a sewing needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.” Luke 18:25

Jesus himself has no money {Luke 9:58} and he discouraged his followers from accumulating riches:

“Stop storing up for yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal. Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:19-21

It's not easy to believe (trust) his saying but he is the only begotten Son of God and without him no man can be saved! John 3:16🤔

honesttalk21:
Pick one and stick to it. God, spirit or both in any case it's supported by your book and view

According to the Bible there are lots of spirit beings (angels) and only one SUPREME BEING: GOD!
So who are the lesser Gods controlling stronger Gods?😟

kayjordan:
This is a classic case of:
JOHN: "I don't like hats, they don't fit me. I prefer caps.
MARK: "Well, I do! They fit me really well. Caps are for little kids.
If Mark imposes his "wish" on John, he is self-centered and a dictator.
Do you agree?

NO! I disagree with your illustration.

My hart or cap doesn't in any way affect my neighbor but my religion does!
A Muslim will kill a Muslim because of politics or nationalism, Catholics, Deeperlife, RCCG, MFM, Chosen name the religion will do exactly the same thing because their religious leaders taught them that human governments can make their life better so when it comes to choosing a human leader all these religions gets involved.

That is what leads them into hating and killing themselves even though they claim worshipers of the same God!🙂

kayjordan:
You have an "individualistic opinion" rather than a collective view on religions. I earlier mentioned other good religions - but you remain glued to your religion and denomination.

Individuals and religions are two different things. When people gather for worship but failed to cohabit peacefully among themselves then that religion is NOT GOOD.
To illustrate it's the chef doing the cooking that determines a good meal not the ingredients. The same applies to religion when the SPIRIT controlling the worshipers is not the true God they will fail to produce what is good collectively {Matthew 7:16-18} even though there are nice individuals among them. Galatians 5:22-23

kayjordan:
Whether religious people mix religion with politics or religion with racism - it doesn't rule out the fact that there are good people amongst them - the bad ones are the racists.

This shows you haven't been following this discussion with keen interest. No right thinking human wants to be a racist but politics gives birth to racism whether you like it or not. Take for instance back in 2023 Nigerians wanted to vote for another leader anyone who feels the need for a better leader won't know when he or she is carried away with racism and politics it's either you vote/support one candidate and oppositions see you as a racist (when your preferred candidate comes from your tribe) or enemy of the nation (when your preferred candidate is not from your tribe)
So no matter how good you may be once your religion allows members to go into politics you will have serious issues with your neighbor or fellow worshiper whose preferred candidate differ from yours!🙂

kayjordan:
If you're given a ticket to explore good religions just as you pivoted from Islam to Christianity, would you accept it?
Also - are you a righteous man?

It's pointless sticking to a rifle without a bullet so if i realize my present religion is not achieving the needful there is no reason to continue.
Being Righteous means doing better than others in benefitting oneself and neighbors so surely i am a righteous man if we are to go by that criteria! Mark 12:31

kayjordan:
The peace you ask for - others already have it with or without your religion.
It's like asking if one should use a "broom" or a "long brush" to sweep a room - really it doesn't matter what's used as long as it ensures a clean room.
So why is Christianity selfish?

Hmmm my guy i told you that i was once a Muslim and i really believe in logical reasoning but when i met the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) i surrendered to indomitable truth! John 8:32🙂

There is just one reason why no religion can have REAL peaceful and loving people i believe that should be your next question!🙂

I told you earlier that evil started when some intelligent creatures decided to dominate their fellow humans.

Now let us use logical reasoning to help us find if it's possible for any other religion to have people who are truly peaceful and loving.

Humans who wants to dominate other humans are called "POLITICIANS" and due to fear of being subjects to bad rulers other religions either participate fully or partially. What i mean is that members of these religions join in the struggle for public offices (full participation) or vote or support one candidate over another (partial participation) this is the cause of WARS throughout the world today leading people into hating and killing their neighbors and in extension their fellow worshipers from other countries or tribes.

We Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) only believe in the government of God (God's Kingdom) where Jesus will reign as king so we don't participate at all in politics that is what squashed racism in our midst while all other religions are blinded by politics and racism. 2Corinthians 4:4

Well since you believe in logic please do you still think there can be real peaceful and loving people when these religions are into of politics and racism?🤔

kayjordan:
Heaven is God and His Spirit Son's Abode - acknowledged! What I'm trying to understand - is your peace and love defense. You say: "one can never find a peace and loving person other than a Christian" - this comes off as a "bragging right" than an honest audit of other religions.
This is MARKETING AND DEMARKETING!
Now, you asked me to mention one person who is truly peaceful and loving if I know any -
Here they are (As groups):
1. Muslims: Just as divided as Christians are, so are Muslims. The better version of Muslims are peaceful and accommodating of other religions - for example; some Yoruba-Muslims.
2. Buddhists: This group of worshipers are helpful in society and peaceful. In Nigeria, they are active members of the Rotary Club and they use this platform to help communities.
3. Humanists: As mentioned before, are a group of non-believers who don't believe in a God but believe in helping planet earth - by doing so, they help the needy, volunteer their time to serve mankind in any capacity.
Likely there are many others...
Does your religion have a problem with the above listed groups?

Of what purpose is speaking in strange language?🤔

Kingsolar:
PLEASE I really need help here. I am a Christian and probably baptized with water and in spirit. For the past three years or more I found myself speaking in strange tongues and it have been a thing of joy for me because in Christiandom speaking in tongues have great importance that most Pentecostal places more emphasis on. But of a recent I found myself asking "WHY SHOULD I BE SPEAKING A LANGUAGE THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND''. This has become a nightmare for me that I am asking the house to help me out please.

kayjordan:
Clear and acknowledged!
The question unanswered is:
If unbelievers that are not Christians and are not Jehovah's Witnesses - are peaceful and loving and they live on your planet - will God Almighty, remove them from the surface of this earth?

OK i can see you have a feeling that it's possible to find peaceful and loving people who are not true Christians but i doubt it.

Of course our God will not destroy such ones but it's impossible to find such ones.

Your question sounds like that of one of God's ancient friends named Abraham. God told him that He is going to destroy two cities and in one of these two Abraham's cousin (Lot) lives there with his family.

So Abraham started asking whether God will destroy the cities if 50 righteous people are found there and God said no, Abraham continued bargaining until he asked if 10 could be found God still said He will not destroy the cities for the sake of 10 righteous people but at the end only tree were found which are Lot and his two daughters.

So my guy what the Bible God wants is a peaceful planet earth where everyone will be happy therefore if a person can meet up with that criteria without being one of His worshipers God will not destroy such a person but i doubt if such is possible!🙂