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After begging for audience on another thread to no avail he came here to support enemies of JWs.
Who won follow you waist time?
OLAADEGBU know him bàbá for scriptures!

Sixfiguresmart:
Thank you, bro. They need to be exposed. All of them.

The funny thing they don't know is why the GB advised us not to waist our precious time with them. 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9

They thought it's because they can change the mind of any of Jehovah's sheep.
If you want them to go crazy just ask them for a better performing group than the one they're complaining about. Ló bá tán!

Sixfiguresmart:
Be quiet, agent of darkness. Nothing out of your mouth is tied to the word of God. If Satan is afraid of Jehovah's witnesses, it is because you are the Satan. I will take the Jehovah's witnesses above you and your jet-cruisers any day. Even if I don't agre with everything they teach, at least we don't see them flying extravagant jets and showing off affluence. Extorting tithes and aggressively snatching offerings from widows and the poor.

We do not see them performing fake signs and wonders.

Look within and cleanse the rotten bones inside your diabolic churches ⛪. Jehovah's witnesses to say the least admit when they are wrong. You rather tweak and twist and pull Jesus and the entire apostles down to prove your lies.

I am still asking, how did you and Adeboye condemn T.B Joshua? On what ground was he satanic and you are not?

Chris Okotie wrote a long article to malign a dead T.B Joshua while paying for weapons and bodyguards to protect his wealth. What did Adeboye say to that? Where was the condemnation from Lazarus? Weren't you the one quoting the outburts between Barnabas and Paul?

Did outburst suddenly disappear from Christianity? Paul confronted Peter FACE TO FACE BEFORE EVERYBODY to reprimand him. Do your pastors have the same spirit that was in Paul?

Swines wearing luxury garbs trying to be like God himself.

How come in all the world, the top richest pastors majorly come from one of the most corrupt countries? Does God dwell in corruption?

Why hasn't any of the top pastors moved his ministry to Burkina Faso or Gabon? Why must they all settle in Nigeria? Is Nigeria the only place to fish for men?

Why hasn't any top pastors discover the jinx to take Christianity to Sambisa and Niger Republic? Did the spirit ask Paul to go to Madedonia or remain in Corinth? Did the spirit take Paul to Turkey? How long did he spend in Corinth? 1 and a half year. How long do your pastors spend on their luxury trips in private jets?

How long did Paul stay in Ephesus? 2.3 years. But hiw come ALL (not one or 4) of your top pastors avoid leaving Nigeria for even up to 6 months? They want to die in Nigeria. Why? 1. Money. 2. Escape from the law. 3. Political influence. 4. Nothing connected to God.

Wow!
They thought everybody will be hypocritically stupid like them.
This is wonderful!

Please i don't know what you're trying to hide Sir, but perhaps you didn't decipher the post you just quoted, below is what I asked you in the highlighted!

MaxInDHouse:
Well in the other versions it's not so but i'm not saying you lied, please can you tell me the name of that VERSION?

NNTR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhDxR9fVjgo

What specifically is not so?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

So do justice to that.
But if you can't, it's OK please leave the matter for jokerman and i.
Thanks in advance!

hopexter:
The question is “Bible believing church’’ you can’t base the question entirely on Jesus Christ.

Ironically the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation centered on just one Character: Jesus of Nazareth! 1Corinthians 1:24

But Satan has blinded so many people to the fact that the one and only organization through which they can learn about Jesus has been labelled as CULT or DEMONIC. Matthew 10:25 compare to 2Corinthians 4:4
That single group is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Can you imagine that the only group that's PRACTICING EXACTLY WHAT JESUS TAUGHT is now the one they're saying doesn't believe in Jesus!

Well Satan played the same card against Jesus by making the Jews believe that Jesus was a blasphemer. So the charges against him was blasphemy against God! Matthew 26:65

For your information that's what pained Jesus most not dying, Jesus really felt bad that he will be executed on the charges of being a blasphemer. That's why he said to JEHOVAH:

“Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” Luke 22:42

He couldn't just stand it that the same people he came to die in their behalf to pay for their sins are now executing him as an enemy of God!

So for Jesus to be sure that JEHOVAH is pleased with every bit of Jesus' performance God (JEHOVAH) sent angels from heaven to come, cuddle and assure Jesus thst he's doing perfectly well! Luke 22:43

Therefore if those we're trying to save from Satan now label us as Satan's agents it's not new {Matthew 10:25} because it's the same way Satan made them accuse our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus! John 15:18

oteneaaron:
Wrong again.
I believe in MYSELF.
More than anything, I AM UNSTOPPABLE.
NOTHING, I mean NOTHING is impossible for me.
The joke is on you.

So first preach to your friends: RusselRutherfo and Acholardey, they also claim to BELIEVE in Jesus convince them otherwise before coming to disturb others who also BELIEVE in Jesus.
After all CHARITY they say begins at HOME!

OLAADEGBU:
Remember that you are not permitted to read or believe any publication that is different from the Watchtower's. So much for your freedom of speech and expression of worship.

So what about all the publications i've been reading before i converted to JW? Can JWs format all that from my brains?

Don't you think it's time you grow up and stop swallowing Kumuyi's lies?

OLAADEGBU:
I dare not teach you. It was Mark Twain that said: "Don't try and teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it annoys the pig." Why should I frustrate myJself trying to teach a man who has his mind already made up? It's a waste of my time.

Ọ̀DẸ̀! ÒPÒNÚ! OLÓDO!

THREATENING and claiming it's TEACHING!

AntiChristian:
Why was Jesus not a politician contesting against the tops of his time?

He was busy facing what he was sent to do.

I wonder who the pastor's role model will be. Jesus or Satan.

In John 6:15, Jesus ran away when they want to forcefully make him king.

I don teach you so tey you com dey preach Jesus, even quoting the scriptures with it's practical application, this is wonderful!

cornelboy:
How do you guys love yourself in your church, any difference from the way thieves and prostitutes love themselves?

Once you refused to be intimidated with their HellFire stuff there's nothing else they can say so they will say you're demonic.
That's how their ancestors in the dark ages killed so many innocent people accusing them to be witches if anyone question the stupidity of their HellFire threat but today that there's freedom of speech, expression and worship they've become helpless!

cornelboy:
Why then do you complain that JWs come to your threads that mentions and concern them?
We don't have freedom? Olodo nie jàre.
The peddler peddling peddler!

Whenever they see a thread having to do with JWs they will rush in and start lying but in their own thread they just want to continue lying to people as if they know what they're saying.

So if JWs avoid them they will say we can't defend our beliefs but when we face them they will say we're not supposed to talk to them!

I purposely came to expose them that they're just deceiving themselves, how many Churchgoers do you see commenting on their thread? .
Right thinking persons have noticed that they only repeat themselves and there's nothing in their brains to preach or teach except complaining about Jehovah's Witnesses.

So what exactly have they learned after leaving the organization?

NOTHING!

cornelboy:
You won't actually see anything. Cos when you die, you remain dead.

Oteneaaron doesn't believe in anything!

Iamzik:
Welldone sir. If you condemn those who preach In market/buses/streets how many have you personally visited at home to preach to?

It is very easy to condemn people's effort online. What have you done in your own capacity? Please allow people to preach. If you are in a bus and you don't like the preaching you can speak out and let the preacher know but condemning their effort outrightly here is not biblical either

I expected you to BOW at the mention of the name "JESUS" who is the highest authority on this matter {Philippians 2:10} but if you ignore his counsel on this matter it's OK, we know that FAITH in Jesus is not a possession of all people! 2Thessalonians 3:2

So you can continue with the way the world want things to be done but we are for Jesus not for the world! John 15:19

Thank you!

OLAADEGBU:
What's the point teaching you when your mind is already made up?

Do you say TEACH?

Well i'm not one of the gullible souls you often threaten with your imaginary Hellfire, so if you don't have healthful thing to say about God's Kingdom you know it won't work with me!

OLAADEGBU:
To paradise, a place you know nothing about.

OLÓDO!
No wonder you're always threatening everyone with your stupid hellfire, you can't expatiate further when you don't understand anything!

OLAADEGBU:
What you call fruits only works within your 'kingdom halls' you are trained to wage war against the gospel truth using your Watchtower magazines are your weapon of mass destruction. Drawing souls into damnation.

OLÓDO!

Talks! Talks!! Talks!!!
Ọ̀gbẹ́ni quote God's word and apply it to your church let's see how Kumuyi's teachings is practically applicable and correlates with God's word! James 2:18-26

JorgedeToledo:
The Jehovah witnesses denounce Jesus Christ as God.
They say he is an archangel (same as archangel Michael). This automatically disqualifies them as christians.

The Bible they use is the New World Translation which was first published in 1950, is a deliberate alteration of the holy scriptures so as to suit themselves in their falsehood.

They claim to serve Jehovah but they don't. They actually serve the Governing Body of the Watchtower based in New York. Anything the Governing Body instructs them to do (whether it's against the holy scriptures or not), they must do. Failure to do so will attract such a person being disfellowshipped i.e ostracized.

If for any reason, a Jehovah witness (JW) leaves the organization, such a person will be completely ostracized by his own wife, parents, brothers and sisters and even his own children.

The Jehovah witnesses is a cult. They don't believe in the Holy Spirit as God or as a person. They believe it as an active force (something like a non-living thing).

They have predicted many times that the world will come to an end but time and time again, they have failed. Two well known examples are the 1914 and 1975 failed end-of-the-world predictions.

Please look up this link and get more info about this cult group

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kox1QCcaAsc

Do you have a publication of the Watchtower that stated a specific date for example 24/4/2022?
Well John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth and many of his disciples kept proclaiming that God's kingdom is NEAR since 2000 years ago.
So if you're accusing JWs for repeating the same now then something is wrong somewhere!

NNTR:
It does write "ARCHANGEL(S)" both in Daniel 12:1 and Daniel 10:13
Daniel 12:1 has "ARCHANGEL" while Daniel 10:13 has "ARCHANGELS"
Happy now?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Well in the other versions it's not so but i'm not saying you lied, please can you tell me the name of that VERSION?

writeprof:
So, what is wrong with preaching in public spaces because that's what you are against?

Please it's what the scriptures say about Jesus that i quoted {Matthew 12:19} and the reason is found in Jesus' own words {Matthew 7:12} we want to be respected so if anyone wants to talk to us greeting matters first {Matthew 10:12} introduction and presentation of our message! Matthew 10:13

So it's about logical reasoning Sir!

NNTR:
Where you read 'Michael, one of the chief princes,' it indicates that there exists, more than one chief prince or more than one archangel

You can learn from any good lexicon that's within your arm reach, that Hebrew word 'hassarim' used in Daniel 10:13, is a late Hebrew word, used especially, at times, for angels, so submitting that 'harishonim hassarim' means 'arch angel' or 'chief angel'

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

My friend, if your Bible over there can't write "ARCHANGEL" both in Daniel 12:1 and 10:13 then stop deceiving yourself!

OLAADEGBU:
Your so called fruit only works among yourselves. God demands real fruit not nuts.

It's the FRUIT Paul talked about in the Bible!
And is WORKING out BENEFITS in the gathering of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES throughout the earth that's why we will never raise weapons against anyone because we know our brothers and sisters are in all parts of the earth. John 13:34-35
And if not people in other places are our neighbours! Mark 12:31
So we MUST NOT RAISE weapons against anyone as long as such a person is influenced by some constituted authorities {Matthew 5:41} we must always pray for them to see the need not to lift up weapons against or attack their fellowman! Luke 23:34 compare to Act 7:60

writeprof:
You have some valid points in your conclusion however I think your interpretation of Matthew 10: 11- 17 is out of context. Those homes where to provide accommodation for them... Jesus sent them to towns, homes.
Acts 1:8; Matthew 28: 19-20;ark 16: 15-17; Luke 24:47. Go through these. God bless you.

YES! But such can only work in the land of Israel where God has included in His laws to be kind to strangers {Deuteronomy 14:29} but when sending them out of his own country Jesus instructed them to provide for their need in the ministry {Luke 22:35-37} that's why Apostle Paul WORKED to support himself in the ministry! Act 18:3

So my friend it's only within the boarders of Israel that Jesus' disciples can expect to be treated well even though they are strangers in the eyes of their audience, but outside Israel such is not to be expected!

OLAADEGBU:
What fruit?

All Adam's descendants are imperfect (sinners) {Romans 5:12} so none of us is fit for God's glory {Romans 3:23} but if we're under the control of God's Holy Spirit any wise observer will notice that something strange is working in the gathering of imperfect humans! Matthew 7:16-18

So what is the FRUIT that will serve as evidence of God's Holy Spirit in the midst of imperfection humans (sinners) ?
Apostle Paul answered:

On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control" Galatians 5:22-23a

So anytime you sense all these qualities in the gathering of imperfect humans (sinners) know that God's Holy Spirit is WORKING there. And Jesus is in control {Matthew 18:20} no accusation "against such a gathering can be established as LAW in any sane society" Galatians 5:23b

NNTR:
Daniel 10:13
'But for twenty-one days the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way.
Then Michael, one of the archangels, came to help me,
and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia'

Daniel 10:13, lets you know that there exists more than one archangel

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

But the prince of the royal realm of Persia stood in opposition to me for 21 days. But then Miʹcha·el, one of the foremost princes, came to help me; and I remained there beside the kings of Persia: NWT

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia: Holy Bible

Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia. NIV

The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, so I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia: RSV

Abeg which version you dey quote o?

Please where can the word "PURGATORY" be found in the Bible?

SWATMan:
They simply mean tithe enforcing churchpreneurs.

Haba!
It's not all of them that are enforcing tithes o!

Please elated177 i must unfollow this thread.
If you want us to further this discussion let's chat somewhere else, the OP is an exjw so himself and his cohorts won't feel comfortable seeing anyone digging deep into God's word with one of Jehovah's Witnesses, they believe we're brainwashed since we are obedient to those taking the lead among us. Hebrews 13:7,17
So if you also feel i've been brainwashed with the little we shared it's OK but if you find our conversation intriguing let's do this elsewhere.
Thanks for your time!

paxonel:
so, will you say spiritual fathers have anything to do with the spirit realm or they are called spiritual fathers because they established churches.

What if a woman establish church, is she then not qualified to be called spiritual mother to any man who is a member of her church?

The establishment of churches (congregations) wasn't the way people does today!

In the Act of Apostles they assigned two qualified Men (Paul and Barnabas) to travel from place to place each with a companion. In each city they reach they begin preaching from house to house or speak to individuals in their market places {Act 20:20} this goes on for some time and when they find interested ones they will return to such individuals to establish a free Bible study with him {Act 15:36} and afterwards look for a place where they can gather the interested persons so that a church (congregation) is formed. It may be in the house of any of the interested persons {Philemon 1:2} that they're meeting as a group but women weren't allowed to lead unless where there's no baptized males so for the main time the qualified (baptized female) must always cover her head or shave it off completely whenever she must stand in front of the congregation where men are present to teach because she's representing Christ our king who never chose a female Apostle! 1Corinthians 11:3-6

So it's unchristian for a woman to wake up one day and think of establishing a church, please it's not a business but God's work and it was assigned for men to take the lead while women sits at the rare, they're not permitted to speak (teach) in the presence of qualified Men! 1Timothy 2:11-13; 1Corinthians 14:34-35


Jesus chose Paul as the last Apostle to teach us all these {Act 9:15; 1Timothy 2:7} so whoever goes against this orders is indirectly fighting against Jesus himself!

ikorodureporta:
When preachers tell their new converts to start going to a bible-believing church....what do they mean??
Can anyone tell us the churches that are not bible-believing?

It's a demonic expression but only spirit filled Bible students can discern such speeches!

First of all the way those people rise up in buses, market places and street corners and start making noise is antichristian.
What do i mean?
The man who commissioned preaching and teaching is called "Jesus of Nazareth" he commanded his disciples to go and meet people in their homes or anywhere they can have a one on one conversation with their listeners! Matthew 10:11-13
We need to really understand Jesus before we can work for/with him.
He doesn't want us to disturb anyone with noise perhaps the person is thinking something in his mind and is not in the mood for talks or trying to figure out something so he needs a calm and quiet environment but he can't find such a place, so Jesus wants us to greet him then ask for permission to speak! Matthew 12:19
In that way we have shown respect for our neighbour. That's why Jesus asked us to visit them at home because if they're lovers of God they will like to talk about God! Malachi 3:16

But since most people claiming Christians today are misinformed Churchgoers they just want to say what they're taught in their various worship centers and they don't respect their neighbours so they just start talking, of course they know it's not proper that's why they try to catch the attention of Churchgoers like them by starting with songs common among Churchgoers and once some in the audience join in the chorus they feel they've gotten enough support to spew their gibberish.

Now why is it that they're saying "Bible believing church" instead of telling their listeners to come and become disciples who will also preach and teach for Jesus?

They know there's no arrangement in their places of worship for what they're doing in the buses or on the streets so they will end up telling you to go and choose the religion you think is OK.
Jesus established preaching and teaching for his disciples in pairs {Luke 10:1} so that when the person loves your message you can return to establish a free home Bible study with your friend, it's after he/she has become convinced that he/she will become eager to know the source of this great wisdom. Then is the time to invite them to the gathering where you're also learning {Hebrews 10:24-25} to become active disciples of Christ not just Churchgoers! 2Timothy 3:16-17

morinto:
Why taking it personal? Are u wiser than God that ordain it?

True Christians don't argue! Titus 3:9
We are to present the standard God set in the Bible, the only thing we try to do is expatiate if the need arises. Matthew 28:20
But when it's clear that the one listening has chosen to criticize God's word we must take our leave. Matthew 10:14-15
It's not my opinion that she's rejecting but the standard God set as recorded in the Bible! 1Samuel 8:7

Ken4Christ:
As if Jehovah witness believe in Jesus. Please stop the lies. Satan is even afraid of you. Satan is learner when it comes to telling lies when you compare it with that of the Jehovah witness.

Funny misinformed Churchgoer!
Speak up for your god and let everyone see the consistency in your comment as it correlates with what God's son taught.
Stop going about thinking people are lying when in fact they're quoting Jesus and analysing the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what Jesus taught!

elated177:
Having urges are not sinful. Nope! It is acting on them that we are talking about here. Why should a person who calls himself a saint of Yahushua the Messiah engage in sexual immorality?

Maxindhouse, if you are a sinner, speak for yourself. I, elated177, am not a sinner. I am not struggling with any sin. The Set-apart Spirit of YHVH Almighty, of Yahushua the Messiah, has taken over the affairs of my life.

Sinners simply means imperfect humans!

The tendency to think about evil in ones heart has already defiled a man {Mark 7:21-23} it's our level of weakness that results in carrying it out but thinking about it alone is the reason why we are called imperfect {Matthew 5:28} because that's not God's image in which we were created! Ephesians 4:23-24

So if any believer falls no matter how many times {Proverbs 24:16} we should remember that it's due to his weakness {Matthew 18:21-22} that's when we need to help them to regain their stamina to conquer the flesh! James 5:14-15

Please Jesus is the only begotten Son of the true God who knew our formation that we are mere dust {Psalms 103:12-14} so he doesn't expect perfection from any of us therefore God's organization preach and teach that we must be merciful always to anyone who is repentant no matter what he/she did!