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elated177:
Which name did the Father give to the Son?

Please how does this correlate with with what we're saying?

paxonel:
ok,
Have you heard about the term spiritual father?
When i say Pastor Adeboye is my spiritual father what does that implies, that pastor Adeboye is the one in charge of my spirit?

Hmmmmmmmmm, well this is a sensitive one!

The title "FATHER" can be used in many ways so let's analyse it. Firstly a man who fathered a child, secondly one who always covers your back in times of need, thirdly one who teaches you so many things in life just like his own child.
Jesus said we shouldn't call anyone "our father" on earth {Matthew 23:9} but that doesn't mean we shouldn't call our biological father "FATHER"
So what exactly does he mean?
Well he's talking about seeing someone like the person who should define righteousness for you even though what he taught you won't yield positivity anywhere!
Such teachings only ends within the person's domain he won't take it anywhere further, so their righteousness is self they only use it to keep you under them, they won't teach it elsewhere since they know it's not going to work out anything positive in any society.

Such fathers only gather gullible followers and teach them their own righteousness so each of such fathers have formed their own religion and they're rivals to one another!

But real fathers will teach you God's word that is PRACTICALLY APPLICABLE everywhere so they will not relate as teachers with anyone who doesn't teach what they know is God's standard!

This MICHIGAS guy has gotten himself barred again!

paxonel:
I know authority.
What then is spiritual?

Authority is offices where one is superior to another, spirituality is where sacred service is carried out.
So women can lead as Presidents, Governors, Senators, Reps, Chairman of local government and in so many other PUBLIC offices where men are under her AUTHORITY but whatever has to do with sacred service (worship) women must remain silent and sit behind!

Continue arguing with yourself, without VISIBLE WORKS of FAITH all your argument is useless and worthless! James 2:18-26

For your information there has been series of arguments by different sects asserting they know better. Muslims, Philosophers, Atheists, Agnostics, Traditionalists, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews and thousands of other religions claiming CHRISTIANS.

Do you know why all of you are talking about Jehovah's Witnesses? Matthew 5:14-16
Well it's because that's the only group WORKING OUT POSITIVITY throughout the world! Matthew 7:16-18

So your arguments is of no benefit without something to show for your FAITH!

elated177:
El Elohe Yahshrael!
John 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.

According to the above quotation worshipers of the true God may be in different locations on this planet but they will bear the same GROUP name because the name of their God is the most important in their worship {John 17:6, 26} so people globally will recognize them due to their oneness in thought! John 17:20-23 compare 1Corinthians 1:10

The true God leads them in the path of righteousness because of His name {Psalms 23:3} He referred to them as His WITNESSES {Isaiah 43:10-12} that's the name He calls them today! Isaiah 65:15

They are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

sonmvayina:
I understand you now, that'd why you refuse to answer my questions.
Would you rather be by yourself and keep God's commandments or be in a peaceful group that worships an idol..you'd rather be in a peaceful group that worships an idol...

My own definition of God is your own definition of Idol while your own definition of God is the definition of Idol to me, so it's by considering the positive results not on either side's definition of God and Idol!

PastorMIsBack:
I agree. I have seen some unchurched Christians who are more Christians than those who attend Church every day!

People can be nice and kind but that doesn't makes them Christians, you must associate with fellow believers and WORSHIP with them before Jesus can acknowledge you as one of his own {Hebrews 10:24-25} remember he said:

"For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.” Matthew 18:20

So whoever is not ASSOCIATING with Christians is not a Christian and Jesus can't recognize him/her such a person is just nice or kind on his/her own:

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Isaiah 64:6

elated177:
Ephesians 5: 3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.

Of course that's how things should be and Paul emphasized on it to build up the faith of Christians, but Jesus cleared the air because we are SINNERS needing help that's why we come under his guidance otherwise we won't have any need for Jesus! Matthew 9:13

That's why in the first century congregation there were all these traits {1Corinthians 5:1} but each individual was busy working out his own salvation {Philippians 2:12} by washing themselves to be clean in the blood of the lamb as they're coming to Jesus only arrogant people don't think they're in need of help but sinners do! Matthew 13:15

Paul himself told us that he also have his own sin that he's busy struggling with {Romans 7:21-25} so we are all sinners battling with imperfection until our robe is clean we must continue WASHING! Revelations 7:14

What we must all remember is that we need to watch each other's back, each JW is his brother's keeper so when a brother commits a sin we try to help him regain his strength spiritual! James 5:14-15

It's rebelliousness as in unrepentance that Jesus condemns {Matthew 18:15-17} as long as you're willing to admit your wrong and repent no matter your sin Jesus will say to you:

"you will be with me in Paradise" Luke 23:43

Janosky:
1Corint 15:45,
"Jesus,the lifegiving spirit with imperishable,glorious body" of a spirit.
Kumuyi slave say him deities are human beings in heaven.
Oga,continue your mumu.

Even Kumuyi knows that the only people who can preach and teach the truth effectively are Jehovah's Witnesses.
How come OLAADEGBU can't preach anything apart from posting whatever Kumuyi says?

gideonjeta:
Many people claim to be a Christian by simply attending a Church service every week or following certain celebrations or traditions. A dictionary defines a Christian as someone who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or who follows the religion based on his life and teachings.

It is logical then that the word 'Christian' refer to a way of life that reflects the attitudes, values, and conduct that Christ preached and exemplified. Jesus said to his followers: “You are my friends if you do what I am commanding you.” (John 15:14). Soon thereafter, “the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.” (Acts 11:26) This new name they bore meant that they believed that Jesus was the Son of God, who had transmitted to mankind the will of his heavenly Father. This belief led them to follow a way of life that differed from that of the world around them.

Christ’s teachings moved his followers to follow Bible teachings, which meant avoiding bad things such as “fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct, idolatry, practice of spiritism, enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, contentions, . . . drunken bouts, revelries, and things like these.” (Galatians 5:19-21). A true Christian way of life should patterned the way Jesus lives his life and not the bad things mentioned earlier.

Another distinctive sign of a true follower of Christ is zealous evangelizing work. Christ commanded his followers: “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations.” (Matthew 28:19, 20)

Thus, to be a Christian and a true one at that, is to learn what Jesus taught in the Bible and apply it in our lives, and not just by being a member of a Church.

Good job brother!

Saucy22:
Let me dive straight to my point
Brothers and sister look at it ohh!!
The major characters in the bible apart from (Solomon, Abram) all other characters were lowly and poor they lived a merger life
Its a question am asking ohh!!
Even in our today's world the unbelievers are far prosperous than the Christians
Look at average homes in Nigeria are Christians talkless of the below average homes
A dedicated Christian can have only two pairs of trouser's and shirt
While a party rider can have multiple designers
Menh any time I sit and think of it am always confused and sad
Help me with ur comments and views on this topic

God never planned it to happen this way!

Each man supposed to have his own family with his own garden like Paradise but because Adam and Eve chose to rebel against that idea everything turned upside down and it now turn to the survival of the heartless!

But when God's Kingdom comes everything will return back to the way God purposed it in the beginning {Psalms 37:7-11, 29} where each man will live comfortably with his wife and children! Isaiah 65:21-25

So until then we (Christians) must live as if we are no part of this system {John 17:14-16} we can't use this Satan's arrangement to the full if we want to be citizens in God's Kingdom {1Corinthians 7:31} as we keep praying and looking forward to the kingdom promised by Christ Jesus {Matthew 6:10} until then i will to see you in Paradise! Luke 23:43

sonmvayina:
You fell for the lie...
Or you just use it to console yourself?

LIES don't WORK OUT POSITIVITY!
So whenever something is working out BENEFITS for all involved then it's no lie!

sonmvayina:
You are learning ....though not very fast.

Sure!
I am learning from the GOVERNING BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses!

haekymbahd:
Lol... you've seen God Is that why your fellow christians call you MadMax. You see when I ask question I always put Jesus as God because your Jehova witness has nothing to offer anyone I want to know why Jesus is Almighty God and I don't have any reason to beleive that yet.

That was why I deleted the post I don't want it to be like I am mocking other people's God.

Allah SWT said:

"And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah, lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 108)


You mean christians don't criticize Islam you truly out of your mind and blinded.


Who cares to know how Angel Micheal is Christ?

Keep crying all over Nairaland with your two accounts nobody cares about the nonsense and ingredients your stupid religion got to say because you can't stand on your own to preach a single thing apart from attaching your useless religion to Bible!

PastorMIsBack:
OK. I didn't see it

What do you think?
If someone purposely came to a public forum like this, posted something and quickly deleted it before anyone could notice and to cover his tracks he even removed the topic so nobody will notice that he posted anything?

That's how emptiness affects people!
I was a Muslim before my conversion though it's the religion of my parents and i tried to live by it as much as i could but when i discovered it has nothing to offer apart from criticizing the Churches i began searching for God elsewhere!

You are a living SOUL the breath of life that's sustaining your heart is the SPIRIT. Genesis 2:7
So at death all living organisms return to the ground out of which our bodies were formed {Genesis 3:19} but the energy sustaining our breath returns to the one who gave it GOD! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20; 12:7

However there are other forms of life that doesn't have physical bodies they are known as "angels" they are also living beings: SPIRIT BEINGS! Job 38:7

May you have PEACE!

PastorMIsBack:
This is exactly what I am saying to @Seun.
The OP has changed his/her mind about this post but can't delete it
We should be able to delete posts and block imbeciles

It's better like this because the stupid Muslim boy has embarrassed himself so shamefully he deleted the nonsense and ingredients he posted!

achorladey:
What do I have here........
They bear witness to him the way they live their lives is different from from they are called Jehovah’s witnesses by those who lived in their time. They were never call Jehovah’s witnesses in the sense and context of what we have come to know about a religious group created by a man +/- 140 years ago.
Before you start the enlightenment program go and learn to listen to yourself and be obedient to yourself
Show me one verse where David was called a Jehovah’s witness and spare me your EISEGESIS narrative of the scripture fused into your memories? Word for word in the context and sense of what it is today. A name that was coined by you know who in 1931
Learn to listen and obey yourself and leave than peddling
Agbalagba le pe ara yin ooooo
Even the whole of Hebrews 11 is about FAITH and examples of individual who had FAITH in God. The chapter is not about who are Jehovah’s witnesses and chapter 12:1 in context was cloud of witnesses regarding exercising faith in God not based being called Jehovah’s witnesses.

Walahi talahi you're a clown!

They're not JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES or they weren't CALLED JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

OLÓDO!

So if we say Jesus Christ does it mean people in his life time agreed to call him like that?

Well i've exposed you guys enough, i just want sincere followers of the threads created by RusselRutherfo to know that he is a useless fool, if truthfully you guys love Jesus you won't accomodate atheists like oteneaaron and Maynman who confronted you guys telling you that Jesus is FAKE simply because you want to slander JWs.
Know today that ISRAELITES in ancient times all believed that they're JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES but it's our generation now that's reading their stories that knows those truly were Witnesses of Jehovah due to the records of their lifetime and activities.
So when i said David was a JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES (to the core) i meant that he's not just claiming so but truthfully he proved to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Today is our circuit assembly jàre, you know say we get church na unah no get anywhere to go so see you after our assembly.
It's time to go and take in solid spiritual food from Jesus' brothers who are teaching us to be wiser than rebellious miscreants like you.
We want to go and listen to the GOVERNING BODY!

achorladey:
1. David was never called a Jehovah’s witness. Na David dem dey call am . No one addressed him as Jehovah’s witness.

OLÓDO ràbàtà ojú ẹja lo mọ̀ọ́ jẹ, oò lo pépà síléètì lo ma lò!

Apostle Paul listed the names of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in ancient times but because you guys have been blinded by Satan you can't grasp it. So let me enlighten you.

In the Bible book of Hebrews 11 Apostle Paul mentioned several names of faithful servants of Jehovah that bear WITNESS to Him the way they lived their lives {Hebrews 11:4} and DAVID was mentioned! Hebrews 11:32

You can go and check any version of the Bible you like, you will see that Paul talked about them as WITNESSES and to round it up he concluded in chapter 12:1

"So, then, because we have such a great cloud of WITNESSES surrounding us, let us also throw off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us"

So ọ̀gá Ade Mr Kọ́lá, David was one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 43:10-12

oteneaaron:
Abi oo
All things been equal, MaxInDHouse should have been reproved for coming online and arguing with "Apostates"
They can't even obey their GB in very simple things as this.
Isn't that a funny irony?

Funny enough so even you this worthless atheist think you're an apostate.
RusselRutherfo, Acholardey see your lives!

So if we're talking about Apostates oteneaaron too will show face shey?

Well if you must know APOSTATES are people who still claim they belong to Christ but aren't obedient to tenets binding on any organized group after leaving God's organization so they're going about trying to TEACH what they want in their own selfish cravings and the result is they can never be organized for worship since each is arrogantly seeking personal glory and fame.

I perfectly understood what APOSTATE means so you (oteneaaron) who detests whatever the scriptures say about Jesus of Nazareth is no way close to them you're just a wanderer!

Meanwhile this is the full meaning of my profile name "MaxInDHouse" i formerly bear "Maximus69" Maximus was a Roman soldier who was fully dedicated to his country. So i chose that name as a soldier fully dedicated to fight (spiritually) for Christ.
I purposely came to TERRORISE RusselRutherfo so he could know that he has nothing upstairs to deliver about God's organization.
Just one post from me rendered him totally devastated. He was banking on the way God's people are making improvements in our dealings saying we should have remain stagnant in the way we do things and voila i reminded him of how the same Jehovah dealt with people of different times in different ways and RusselRutherfo became dumb!

See you guys some other times and mind you, you people have nothing as in NOTHING tangible to say against God's people JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

cornelboy:
Is the story of the rich man and Lazarus a parable? Yes isn't it?

Meaning of the symbols!

List of symbolic terms as Jesus mentioned in the parable and their meanings:

©Rich man ~ Jewish religious leaders.
©Purple ~ royal colour represents authority.
©Enjoying in magnificence ~ highly privileged.
©Beggar ~ one who is in need.
©Lazarus ~ common Jews.
©Sit at the gates ~ presence in the temple.
©Covered with ulcers ~ spiritual neglect.
©Dogs licking ~ pagan nations take advantage.
©Droplets of food ~ whatever Pharisees says.
©Death of both ~ change of condition.
Their condition changed when the Messiah (Christ) began his earthly ministry. Jesus began relating with common Jews instead of their religious leaders. So let's continue.

©Abraham's bosom ~ regain God's favour.
©Buried ~ hidden from God's favour.
©Grave ~ rejected state of mind.
©Thirst ~ severally pained as Jesus is often with common Jews giving them all privileges to make use of God's Holy Spirit and perform miracles!
©Call out for droplets of water ~ demanding that Jesus' disciples should stop all their activities carried out in Jesus name.
©Abraham's response ~ God keeps supporting Jesus' disciples even releasing them in a miraculous way.
©Chasm in between ~ determination in the hearts: Pharisees determined never to accept Jesus and Apostles determined never to let go of Jesus. So it's like an impossibility for anyone from both sides to cross over to the other side.
©Rich man's brothers ~ Arrogant and selfish religious leaders of future generations.
©Sending Lazarus ~ will God give such arrogant religionists any heavenly sign for them to know they're on the path of destruction?
©Moses and the prophets ~ No! True servants of God will always be around for honest hearted individuals to gain insight.

These are the meaning of all the symbolic terms. The Pharisees perfectly understood what Jesus meant because he directed it to them! Luke 16:14

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

cornelboy:
Thanks. I won't mention or quote you for the rest of my life.

You're still growing in the truth my brother.
Persons like Maynman are stubborn goats that often go about trying to discourage people from BELIEVING in God.
He ran into an apostate thread and he couldn't flow as i expected him the way he often talk as if he's confident of what he's saying only to start supporting the same people he called fools for believing the Bible translated by William Tyndale.
So if he can't maintain his stand in the presence of many who claims to BELIEVE in the Bible but became intimidated only to give them support, from today i realized that he is just deceiving himself up and down.
Let him be i too won't respond to his stupidity again!

RussellRutherfo:
You mean all that scripted jw criteria like famine that achorladey has debunked severally. I am not here to give you the opportunity to derail the truth with all those jw propaganda recycled points that you lots post everywhere that don't address any of the lies of your organization. I think achorladey is quite intelligent and has dealt with all that lies you brought up. My mission here is to continually expose the organization's lies so the honest ones can wake up and start researching on their own.

Just imagine if everyone was a jw then there will be worldwide famine. Such a fraudulent organization that takes advantage of the charity clause in many countries. Registered as a Charitable organization but never do no charitable acts to orphanages, homeless, sick ones, prison mates, etcetera like the local churches do.

This book printing false prophecy corporation finesse their publishers of their donations and do no charity. Greedy organization.

Whatever you want to believe my guy as long as you can't present your case maturely i'm not under any pressure to start answering you on what you can't state clearly.
Your envy, noise and ranting can't do nothing!

Goodbye!

cornelboy:
After meeting that JW man on Facebook, everything in the Bible made sense to me.
Like the doubts left and my questions were answered.
I couldn't believe the trinity, I knew something isn't right with the doctrine.
I don't why a loving God would create fire for those that didn't obey him. That portrays a diabolical leader.

I really wish I was born a JW. But I think this is best for me. Like I was once not in the truth but now found the TRUTH. You know how precious it is to me?

No wonder Jesus said:

Go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel! Matthew 10:6

That's why i always refer to you as "BROTHER" from the very first time i came across your post. YES! You are one of Jehovah's lost sheep and JWs have found you the same way they found me!

cornelboy:
JWs the cult that is completely following Christ teachings and the pure Bible doctrines and honouring Jehovah's name.
That's the cult everyone should belong.
What are the Catholics and other denominations doing?
Even otenearon that is an athiest is talking
Na only Jehovah witness be Christians?
Why ona no dé talk about Catholics wey dé worship a mere woman Mary

Ordinarily we are not supposed to engage this people but if they're left unattended to sincere individuals seeing them making noise may feel these good for nothing guys have something tangible to say!
I purposely gave this OP the opportunity to present whatever he wants to know about the organization of God, but instead he was calling in different miscreants to support him!

Imagine Maynman who says Christians should not talk about the God of Israel, oteneaaron a confirmed atheist and many more all started flowing in as if they're of the same line of thought. But it's no surprise because they are hypocritically arguing in support of LAWLESSNESS in opposition to Christ!

RussellRutherfo:
You never debunk the lies from your publications.

Na Terrence Howard that Jehovah witnesses could not hold down you want me to debunk his statements. If he was such a sure believer in the organization. He would be there. Not out there promoting films like Empire that promote Homosexuality so all that peace talk jw BS propaganda don't fly. I have forgotten many JW kHs have got many pedophiles and abnormal sexual individuals hiding in them.

I know one who pretends to be a "good" witness but is a closet homosexual.

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni you lack the etiquette to discuss maturely, i gave you on a platter of gold the opportunity to present your case ONE by ONE but you messed it all up beating about the bush.
We aren't saying members of JWs are perfect, get that straight into your empty skull.
But that this are OBEDIENT people who have come out from the world to humbly subject themselves to Christ's brothers.
So no matter what you think about them they are performing far far better than any other group of religionists on this planet, not because they're sinless but due to the fact a mighty spirit being is in control of their group!

cornelboy:
What about those that didn't hear the gospel? And those that existed before Jesus brought the good news?
What about those Jesus was referring to in John 5:28,29?
Why didn't they go to heaven or hell, why did they remain in their grave if they were spirit?
Lazarus Jesus friend, where was he that 4 days he was dead before Jesus raised him through God's power? The grave/hell, heaven or hell fire?
Lemme remind you again. There are two different words that were translated to hell in the Greek new testament;
Hadēs which simply means grave or She'ôl or hell.
Geenna/Gehenna which means something different to Hadēs. It's the name for a dump site situated outside Jerusalem. It was only used by Jesus like 11 times in the four gospel books.
It figuratively describes a place for the wicked and sinner.
You have a lot to figure out bro.

If not that JEHOVAH doesn't do òjóró i would have challenged Him because of your case!

How can an unbaptized student who has not even joined us in preaching and teaching publicly be this good in defending the truth?

Well Jesus said when the seed fall on good soil it will germinates speedily! Matthew 13:8

I publicly praise Jehovah for hiding all these sacred secrets from the world's philosophers but has revealed it to young ones like you in the truth!
Matthew 11:25

achorladey:
What are you doing on those you call APOSTATES thread? Leave C&S people alone.
Are you thirsty? You don't have the right to tell me the amount of questions I can ask. Ka ji Ko?

So i wasn't discussing with you from the onset the person who raised the challenge knew he is empty that's why he couldn't adhere to the rules that should guide a meaningful conversation.
I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses we aren't barbarians, we talk like intellectuals, if anyone wants to engage us let him come and we will respond but we are not obligated to answer if you're not ready to discuss maturely!

achorladey:
Better performance performing group of Nigeria . For this nairaland. We go learn.

Shame on you!
Everyone wants to talk about their church but exjws are scattered just as Jesus foretold you guys can't point to any church after leaving the truth!

elated177:
If immoral practices are present among you, what separates you from the others who are in the world or not part of your group?
If a supposed member of your group acts on his or her immoral feelings, just like the sinner out there, according to you, what is the difference between the two of them?

Good question!

Remember Jesus came to save sinners not the righteous {Matthew 9:13} and all of us are sinners. So what's the difference between a believer and unbeliever?
The believer is ever willing to accept discipline because he knows God will judge the UNREPENTANT but the unbeliever don't feel any need to repent! So even though it's not celebrated in the congregation of God yet it's not a reason to send away the one who truly feel sorry for his/her blunders!

achorladey:
Apa ti jabo oro Terrence Ko Ta Mo niyen.
Baba e kekoo.
Terrence started with if, just stick with the if. Na the realm of supposition, assumptions and speculations.
You just throw the organisation you belong under the bus by stating
In reality murders, war, famine and other related immoral practices will be present if everyone is a member of your religious organisation.
Learn

Now let's see who should LEARN!

You think because people who are immoral must also love to kill their own fellow believers shey?

King David is a case study. He committed Immortality and got angry in many cases but he was a JW to the core.
Why do i say so?
David was ever willing to accept discipline!

That's the difference between us and you people. So when the GB says "do not lift up weapons against anyone" all members of JWs will never ever raise weapons against anyone!

achorladey:
See your position and point made earlier See what you have just typed
Your intelligence and thinking abilities no be for here rara . Those questions were from two post of his.

One question at a time so as not to complicate issues!

achorladey:
Oga dey thank persons he just called EMPTY brains . When the Op comes back you go hear am . The joke is on you.
Leave C&S people alone ooooo. They are not the creator of this thread. Deflection and diversion tactics

At least the C & S guy boldly talked about his church. Abeg what's the name of your own Church after all you don comot for JW.
I purposely quote him to show you how sane people are proud of their church!