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DeepSight:
If you were not so deeply cooked within the dogma of Jehovah's witnesses (which includes the sort of absolute pacifism which is at once hypocritical and irresponsible) - you would have seen that CAPSLOCKED was responding to a scenario painted by the OP in which there is no order given at all.

CAPSLOCKED:
WHY WOULD I DO SOMETHING SO STUPID?

ChristianFreedo:

AntiChristian:

Yeah! Allah is the name of Allah He called himself in the Qur'an over 1400 years! Jehovah on the other was created from YHVH about one or two centuries ago. They can't be the same as Allah. No one bears this name on earth nor does Allah delegates His duties of being God to others. All comes to Him as a slave in subservience and worship. The Israelite knew Moses to be a Prophet of God as stated in Deut 18:15 restated in Acts 3:22. And Deut. 34:10 says; There has never again been a prophet in Israel like Moses.
So it is more established even in your Bible that Moses was a Prophet (not God as Yahweh) and neither was Jesus if he was also a Prophet like Moses! So the god Moses was called is not literal but symbolic or figurative.

haekymbahd:
A Muslim can worship in any mosque in the world does that not show love and peace can you as a Christian go to any church to worship does that show love and peace.

Workch:
Rubbish post, you can trust in something you cannot see but can measure repeatedly with other senses.

We have 5 sesnes, seeing is not only the sense you should use to determine whether to trust something?

Can we see your God? No
Can we feel your God with our skin? No
Can we smell your god with out nose? No
Can we taste your God with our tongue? No
Can we hear your God with our ears? No, only hysterical people claim to do so without evidence.

Hence, your God doesn't exist yet unless you give evidence and we test your evidence with one of our senses esle your God is a fraud

haekymbahd:
Allah SWT said:

"And Allah will save those who feared Him by their attainment; no evil will touch them, nor will they grieve."
(QS. Az-Zumar 39: Verse 61)

"O you who have believed, fear Allah as He should be feared and do not die except as Muslims [in submission to Him]."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 102)

"And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 103)

FaceTanke:
What did they think soldiers do when they enlisted
Is war a circus?

Workch:
Illiterate
Oxygen is a gas because it's boiling and melting points aee way below room temperature.
If you reduce the temperature enough, oxygen gas will become liquid like LordReed posted in the image. If you reduce the temperature further, oxygen will become solid. It's like the most basic thing in science to know.

Go school, you refused
How can I even trust what you say when you lack proper knowledge of basic things like this

MaxInDHouse:
Where will faithful people of old enjoy everlasting life, heaven or earth?

oaroloye:
[color=silver].[/color] ISAIAH 9:6.

6. For unto us a child is born,
unto us a son is given:
and the Government
shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called

"WONDERFUL,
COUNSELLOR,
THE MIGHTY GOD,
THE EVERLASTING FATHER,
THE PRINCE OF PEACE."

[color=silver].[/color] 1^st CORINTHIANS 1:23-25.

23. But we preach
Christ crucified,
unto the Jews
a stumblingblock,
and unto the Greeks
foolishness;
24. But unto them
which are called,
both Jews and Greeks,
Christ The Power of God,
and The Wisdom of God.
25. Because
the Foolishness of God
is Wiser than Men;
and The Weakness of God
is Stronger than Men.

[color=silver].[/color] PROVERBS 8:1.

DOTH not Wisdom cry?
And Understanding
put forth Her Voice?

[color=silver].[/color] PROVERBS 8:22-31.

22. The LORD possessed Me
in The Beginning of His Way,
before His Works of old.
23. I was set up
from Everlasting,
From The Beginning,
or ever the Earth was.
24. When there were no Depths,
I was brought forth;
when there were no fountains
abounding with water.
25. Before the Mountains
were settled,
before the Hills
was I brought forth:
26. While as yet
he had not made the Earth,
nor the fields,
nor the highest part
of the Dust of the World.
27. When he prepared
The Heavens,
I was there:
when he set a Compass
upon the Face of the Depth:
28. When he established
the Clouds above:
when he strengthened
the Fountains of the Deep:
29. When he gave to the Sea
His Decree,
that the waters
should not pass
His Commandment:
when he appointed
the Foundations of the Earth:
30. Then I was by him,
as one brought up with him:
and I was daily his delight,
rejoicing always before him;
31. Rejoicing in the habitable
part of his Earth;
and My Delights
were with the Sons of Men.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 1:1-14.

IN The Beginning was The Word,
and The Word was with God,
and The Word was God.
2. The same was in
The Beginning with God.
3. All things were made by Him;
and without Him
was not any thing made
that was made.
4. In Him was Life;
and The Life was The Light of Men.
5. And the light shineth in Darkness;
and The Darkness
comprehended it not.

6. There was a man sent from God,
whose name was John.
7. The same came for a witness,
to bear witness of The Light,
that all men through him
might believe.
8. He was not That Light,
but was sent
to bear witness of That Light.

9. That was The True Light,
Which lighteth every man
that cometh into the World.

10. He was in the World,
and the World was made by him,
and the World knew him not.
11. He came unto his own,
and his own received him not.
12. But as many as received him,
to them gave he Power
to become the Sons of God,
even to them
that believe on his Name:
13. Which were Born,
not of blood,
nor of the Will of the Flesh,
nor of the Will of Man,
but of God.
14. And the Word was made Flesh,
and dwelt among us,
[and we beheld his Glory,
the Glory as of
the only begotten of The Father,]
full of Grace and Truth.

[color=silver].[/color] COLOSSIANS 1:15-17.

15. Who is the Image
of the Invisible God,
the Firstborn of every Creature:
16. For by him were
all things created,
that are in Heaven,
and that are in Earth,
visible and invisible,
whether they be Thrones,
or Dominions, or Principalities,
or Powers:
all things were created by him,
and for him:
17. And he is before all things,
and by him all things consist.

AS USUAL, NONE OF THE SCRIPTURES PROVE THAT LORD YESHUA INSPIRED THE ANONYMOUS AUTHOR OF ECCLESIASTES: THIS IS HOW JEHOVAH'S WITLESSES™ OFTEN LIE.



ANYONE TELLING MEN THAT YESHUA IS THE CHRIST IS ALWAYS A DECEIVER.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 11:25-30.

25. At that time Jesus Answered
and Said,

"I thank Thee,
O Father,
Lord of Heaven and Earth,
because thou hast
hid these things
from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them
unto babes.
26. "Even so, Father:
for so it seemed Good in Thy Sight.
27. "All things are delivered
unto me
of my Father:
and no man knoweth The Son,
but The Father;
neither knoweth any man The Father,
save The Son,
and he to whomsoever The Son
will reveal him.
28. "Come unto me,
all ye that labour
and are heavy laden,
and I will give you rest.
29. "Take my Yoke upon you,
and learn of me;
for I am meek and lowly in heart:
and ye shall find rest
unto your souls.
30. "For my Yoke is easy,
and my burden is light."

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 16:20.

20. Then charged he his Disciples
that they should tell no man
that he was Jesus The Christ.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 24:1-5.

AND Jesus went out,
and departed from the Temple:
and his Disciples came to him
for to shew him the Buildings
of The Temple.
2. And Jesus Said unto them,

"See ye not all these things?
Verily I Say unto you,

'THERE SHALL NOT
BE LEFT HERE
ONE STONE UPON ANOTHER
THAT SHALL NOT BE
THROWN DOWN.'

3. And as he sat upon
the mount of Olives,
the Disciples came
unto him privately,
saying,

"Tell us,
when shall these things be?
And what shall be
The Sign of thy Coming,
and of The End of the World?"

4. And Jesus Answered
and Said unto them,

"Take heed
that no man deceive you.
5. "For many shall come
in my Name,
saying, I am Christ;
and shall deceive many."

[color=silver].[/color] MARK 8:27-30.

27. And Jesus went out,
and his Disciples,
into the towns
of Caesarea Philippi:
and by the way,
he asked his Disciples,
saying unto them,

"Whom do men say that I am?"

28. And they answered,

"John the Baptist:
but some (say), 'Elias;'
and others,
One of the Prophets.' "

29. And he Saith unto them,

"But whom saith ye that I am?"

And Peter answereth
and saith unto him,

"Thou art The Christ."

30. And he charged them
that they should
tell no man of him.

LORD YESHUA FORBADE HIS DISCIPLES TO BOAST ABOUT HIM: ALL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HIM MUST COME DIRECTLY FROM GOD.

Without this connection, one cannot come to Lord Yeshua.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 6:43-45.

43. Jesus therefore Answered
and Said unto them,

“Murmur not among yourselves.
44. "No man can come to me
unless The Father
Who hath sent me draw him;
and I will Raise him up
at The Last Day.
45. "It is written in The Prophets:

‘AND THEY SHALL BE
ALL TAUGHT BY GOD.’

Every man therefore
that hath heard and hath learned
From The Father
cometh unto me."

PAUL NEVER BELIEVED THAT LORD YESHUA WAS THE CREATOR: WHAT HE WAS DOING WAS THE PHARISEE FALSE DOCTRINE CALLED "SONS DECORATING THE TOMB OF THE PROPHETS THEIR FATHERS KILLED."

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[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 23:23-33.

23. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
For ye pay Tithe of Mint
and Anise and Cummin,
and have omitted
the weightier matters
of The Law,
Judgment, Mercy, and Faith:
these ought ye to have done,
and not to leave the other undone.
24. "Ye Blind Guides,
which strain at a gnat,
and swallow a camel.
25. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
For ye make clean the outside
of the cup and of the platter,
but within they are
full of extortion and excess.
26. "Thou blind Pharisee,
cleanse first that
which is within the cup and platter,
that the outside of them
may be clean also.
27. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
For ye are like unto
whited sepulchres,
which indeed
appear beautiful outward,
but are within
full of Dead Men's Bones,
and of all uncleanness.
28. "Even so ye also
outwardly appear Righteous
unto men,
but within ye are
full of Hypocrisy and Iniquity.
29. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
Because ye build
the tombs of the Prophets,
and garnish
the sepulchres of the Righteous,
30. "And say,

'IF WE HAD BEEN
IN THE DAYS OF OUR FATHERS,
WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
PARTAKERS WITH THEM
IN THE BLOOD
OF THE PROPHETS.'

31. "Wherefore ye be
Witnesses unto yourselves,
that ye are the Children of them
which killed the Prophets.
32. "Fill ye up then
the Measure of your Fathers.
33. "Ye Serpents,
ye Generation of Vipers,
how can ye escape
The Damnation of Hell?"

THE CHURCHES THAT FOLLOW PAUL ARE CORRUPTED BY THE LEAVEN OF THE PHARISEES- THEY REJECT LORD YESHUA'S TEACHINGS AND JUSTIFY BREAKING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS.

[color=silver].[/color] ACTS 23:6.

6. But when Paul perceived
that the one part were Sadducees,
and the other Pharisees,
he cried out in the Council,

"Men and Brethren,
I am a Pharisee,
the son of a Pharisee:
of The Hope and Resurrection
of the Dead
I am called in question."

PAUL WAS NEVER A CHRISTIAN, HE NEVER BELIEVED NOR ACCEPTED THE GOSPEL OF LORD YESHUA.

He swore a Blood Sacrifice Oath before the Chief Priests and Sanhedrin to NEVER ACCEPT, PREACH, NOR TEACH LORD YESHUA'S GOSPEL.

All of his supposed Christian Teachings are based on Principles that Lord Yeshua condemned as errors.

[color=silver].[/color] PROVERBS 6:16-19.

16 These six things
doth The LORD Hate:
yea, seven are
an Abomination unto Him:

17. "A PROUD LOOK,

A LYING TONGUE,

AND HANDS THAT SHED
INNOCENT BLOOD,

18. AN HEART
THAT DEVISETH
WICKED IMAGINATIONS,

FEET THAT BE SWIFT
IN RUNNING TO MISCHIEF,

19. A FALSE WITNESS
THAT SPEAKETH LIES,

AND HE THAT
SOWETH DISCORD
AMONG BRETHREN."

[color=silver].[/color]   PROVERBS 26:24-28.

24. He that hateth
dissembleth with his lips,
and layeth up deceit
within him;
25. When he speaketh fair,
believe him not:
for (there are)
seven Abominations
in his heart.
26. (Whose) hatred is
covered by Deceit,
his Wickedness
shall be shewed
before the (whole) Congregation.
27. Whoso diggeth a pit
shall fall therein:
and he that rolleth a stone,
it will return upon him.
28. A lying tongue hateth
(those that are) afflicted by it;
and a Flattering Mouth
worketh Ruin.

HIS FLATTERY OF LORD YESHUA WAS COMPLETELY INSINCERE: HE LIED ABOUT EVERYTHING.

That is why his followers are liars, too.



IF A MURDERER OF THE BRETHREN, LIKE SAUL OF TARSUS, CAN BE GIVEN A SPECIAL SIGN TO CONVERT HIM, THEN GOD HAS NO RIGHT TO DENY THE SAME CONSIDERATION TO SINNERS GUILTY OF EQUAL OR LESSER SINS.

Paul did not enter the Church by The Door, but climbed up some other way.

[color=silver].[/color] ACTS 9:20-22.

20. And straightway
he preached Christ
in the Synagogues,
that he is the Son of God.
21. But all that heard him
were amazed,
and said;

"Is not this he
that destroyed them
which called on
this Name in Jerusalem,
and came hither for that intent,
that he might bring them bound
unto the Chief Priests?
22. But Saul increased
the more in strength,
and confounded the Jews
which dwelt at Damascus,
proving that this is very Christ.

WHAT PAUL WAS PREACHING WAS NOT THE GOSPEL- HE HAD CAREFULLY KILLED EVERYONE PREACHING WHAT WE NOW KNOW TO BE THE REAL GOSPEL.

Proving that Lord Yeshua is The Son of God, or The Christ has nothing to do with The Gospel. You never find where Lord Yeshua proved that he was The Son of God, or that he was The Christ.

You never find him telling his Disciples to prove that he was The Son of God, or The Christ.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 7:6.

6. "Give not that which is holy
unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your
pearls before swine,
lest they trample them
under their feet,
and turn again,
and rend you."

PAUL'S MASTER PLAN TO GET RID OF CHRISTIANITY WAS TO TELL EMPEROR NERO THAT HE COULD BE SAVED WITHOUT REPENTING OF HIS SINS.

That he could make Lord Yeshua manifest to him, by killing his followers.

As he had done.

[color=silver].[/color] JUDGES 16:30.

30. And Samson said,

"Let me die with the Philistines."
And he bowed himself
with all his might;
and the house fell upon the lords,
and upon all the people
that were therein.
So the dead which he slew
at his death
were more than they
which he slew in his life.

OF COURSE, LORD YESHUA NEVER MANIFESTED TO HIM: BECAUSE THAT IS NOT HOW HE MANIFESTS TO PEOPLE.


[color=silver].[/color]  JOHN 14:15-26.

15. "If ye love me,
keep my Commandments.
16. "And I will pray the Father,
and he shall give you
another Comforter,
that he may abide with you
for ever;
17. "Even the Spirit of Truth;
Whom the World cannot receive,
because It seeth Him not,
neither knoweth Him:
but ye know Him;
for He dwelleth with you,
and shall be in you.
18. "I will not
leave you Comfortless:
I will come to you.
19. "Yet a little while,
and the World seeth me
no more;
but ye see me:
because I live,
ye shall live also.
20. "At that day ye shall know
that I am in my Father,
and ye in me,
and I in you.
21. "He that hath my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him."

22. Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it
that thou wilt
manifest thyself unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus Answered
and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words,
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my sayings:
and The Word which ye hear
is not mine,
but The Father's Which sent me."
25. "These things
have I Spoken unto you,
being (yet) present with you.
26. "But The Comforter,
(Which is) The Holy Ghost,
Whom The Father
will send in my Name,
He shall Teach you
all Things,
and bring to
your remembrance
all things whatsoever
I have Said unto you."

WHEREAS FRUSTRATED NERO COMMITTED SUICIDE AFTER FOUR YEARS OF WICKEDNESS, THE PERSECUTION HE STARTED CONTINUED FOR 245 MORE YEARS.

OLAADEGBU:
I trust you to be the true son of your father. Satan is known for sowing discord among brethren as you are attempting to do here. Your sin will expose you. Continue...

NNTR:
Job 38:7
'when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?'
Psalm 148:1-5
'1Hallelujah!
Praise the LORD from the heavens;
praise Him in the highest places.
2Praise Him, all His angels; praise Him, all His heavenly hosts.
3Praise Him, O sun and moon; praise Him, all you shining stars.
4Praise Him, O highest heavens, and you waters above the skies.
5Let them praise the name of the LORD,
for He gave the command and they were created.'
Please expound Job 38:7
1. Who are the morning stars in Job 38:7a?
2. Who are the metaphorical sons of God in Job 38:7b?
I dare you attempt giving the above 3 requests a stab
Wrong, as Satan isnt also any one of them, the sons of God in Job 1:6 or Job 2:1
Infamously wrong again with this your heretical comment.
Michael is not an only archangel, as he has contemporary archangels like him. Michael, also is not Jesus, thats a JW widely held but false belief and idea
I've already faced the OP and got my inverse two cents in.
You're next in line of sight and thats from seeing your multiple bloopers
For as a man thinks within himself, so he is. For as he thinks in his heart, so is he. I expected you'll talk like this, as a matter of fact, I looked forward to reading you act your character.
Anyway, guess what, as, it'll interest you that while you're stuck on preface page, I, many times over, already have read the whole book, including even done 'Further Reading' pages too.
_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

OLAADEGBU:
Don't worry about what my G.S. says, he follows His Master Jesus. This is about Jesus and not about what any man or organisation says. As for you who replaces the Holy Spirit with your organisation, you will have no excuse when you stand before the Judgment throne because you have had access to the Holy Bible and the Holy Spirit but you chose to willingly sell your soul to an organisation who claims to front for God.

HedwigesMaduro:
I doubt those dead bodies He raised were in any position to exercise their faith before He resurrected them. Just pointing it out.

AntiChristian:
Allah says what means: "While Allah has created you and what you make!" Qur'an 37:96. A beautiful summary of all you've written above.
But i still don't get how this is related to Jehovah making Jesus God, Moses God, Satan God, Angel God and Everyone God?
Allah says what means: Verily, His Command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it, "Be!" and it is! Qur'an 36:82
Why the need to delegate your duties to Satan, Jesus, Moses, etc.
ONE God is to be worshiped out of the many Gods in the Bible but the God to be worshiped was not stated in Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29

OLAADEGBU:
Where was Moses' body buried?
We know where Jesus was buried and there were eyewitness accounts as to His death, resurrection and ascension. Jesus even interacted with His disciples in His glorious body that all saints are going to acquire. There is no evidence that Moses has that body yet.

RealTalker02:
You don't read ?
“For He sets no appointed time for a man, That he should appear before Him in judgment. " - Job 34 : 23 Amplified Bible.
Do you read the bold ? He set no time for anyone to appear before him for judgement.
The problem with your theology is it can't explain in what form this persons Exist without entering serious problems.
According to 1Corinthians 15, no one get the spiritual body until Ressurection. where did your theology get this body when Ressurection haven't occur ? I demand an answer
Secondly, Spiritual body is for those who belong to Christ like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. So wicked people also belong to Christ , and are raised in Glory ?

Emusan:
Rather your preconceived doctrines are!
The writer of New Testament specifically mentioned when Jesus spoke in Parables but it's your organization that decided to term any place that doesn't favor them Parable or symbolic
So why didn't the writer say it's a Parable or symbolic?
In fact, many translations will list out Parables of Jesus at back of their translations. What are you insinuating?
Very well only you and your people that have been turning a blind eyes to it and give it different meanings like parable, symbolic, not literal
Here are the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles:
Jesus: Matthew 12:36-37 ESV
"I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
How can non existent dead people give account?
Peter: 1 Peter 4:5 ESV
"But they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead."
The DEAD will give account, how come?
Paul:
2 Corinthians 5:10 ESV
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil."
Romans 14:10-12 ESV
"Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God."
Hebrews 4:13 ESV
"And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account."
John:
"And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done."
You can keep twisting it but the truth of the scripture will always stand.
Even the Ecclesiastes says the same
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 ESV
"The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil."
Judgement day is coming when both the living and the dead will give account to God.
So how will the dead appear before God if they don't live after death?

Emusan:
I'm always battle ready against the kingdom of your father the Devil
After I've exposed your lies about it.
Another meaning from Mr Practical Application
How many symbolic meaning will you give today
At least your name is in heaven and not symbolic
The most ridiculous about this is that, those verses are talking about INDIVIDUAL giving account and getting their rewards not those who are Jesus followers but you couldn't see that.
You can keep say that to yourself in other to be deceiving yourself.
The scripture is cleared on that EVERYONE WILL STAND BEFORE God to ACCOUNT for their deeds, in fact apostle Paul put it better by saying "For we must all appear* before the judgment seat of the Christ, so that each one may be repaid according to the things he has practiced while in the body, whether good or bad.*

Emusan:
No wonder you couldn't answer the question.
Afterall I'm not the one who sees the obvious point but decided to tag it SYMBOLIC
Whatever standing before him mean to you but the scripture is clear about that.
You can also ask you child at home what does standing before him mean?
It's symbolic to you because it exposed your fraudulent doctrine. Just remove that word SYMBOLIC which never found in those verses and see the naked truth in front of you.
We know the person who doesn't understand here
This is laughable
Yet your brother Dappad abi Dapada once created a thread here claiming people standing before the judgment throne are on earth not that the need to be in heaven
Anyways, I know you must twist those verses to suit yourself.
I meet them always and I know they always twist scriptures to suit their demonic doctrines
I'm always doing that
Do you?
I know what next?

RealTalker02:
Good one.

Ken4Christ:
Know I am sure you are not born again. You don't even know the Christ you are trying to defend. How can you compare T B Joshua to Adeboye? T B Joshua was not a servant of God to me and genuine servants of God. I have always known that for more than twenty years before his death. If you can't discern between light and darkness, between good and evil, then you are not a Christian.

Ken4Christ:
If you agree with Ecclesiates, then why do you doubt Jesus. If there is a conflict in what Ecclesiates said and what Jesus taught, who should you believe more?

The teachings of our Lord Jesus clearly reveals that the dead are conscious and that hell is real. But you will ignore it and run back to Ecclesiates. Who is fooling who.

If you want to be honest with yourself, go back and read the four gospel, chapter by chapter and verse by verse with open heart and see if you will not change your theology.

What you do is just pick verses that appears to support your preconceived opinions and ignoring others that say otherwise.

The story of the rich man and Lazarus is enough to let us know that the dead are conscious. Jesus would be a very bad teacher to use something that is not real to make an illustration. That is even if you call it a parable.

In Mark 9, he even said that the fire in hell is never quenched and the worms don't die. God will punish you more than Satan himself for deliberately ignoring the truth of his word to establish yours. You will suffer in the worst part of hell unless you repent. Why are you so wicked. It shall never be well with Jehovah witnesses organization for the evil they are doing on earth through their wrong teachings that is luring people to hell.