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Under the arrangement set up by the most righteous Personality in the universe it was stated:
“You must not steal" Exodus 20:15
Then the same Person goes on to send His son to counsel people saying:
"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled" Matthew 5:6

But in the same nation where all these is happening a certain young man decides to ignore all these due to the greed in his heart so he became an armed robber and in the process was arrested and sentenced to death, then he saw God's Son receiving the same punishment as he does but due to conscience he couldn't utter a word to Jesus since he has seen Jesus taught and performed many mighty works. But his cohort whose heart is hardened saw Jesus and started laughing at Jesus saying.

You this guy that always preach about righteousness and performing great miraculous works, why not use your power to free yourself and us? Luke 23:39

According to the scriptures the Messiah will be killed {Daniel 9:26} and Jesus himself has declared that it's after his resurrection three days later that he will continue his work {Matthew 12:40} so the thief whose conscience is disturbing him now rebuked his cohort and humbly he looked at Jesus and begged saying:

"Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom" Luke 23:42

Instantly Jesus turned to him and said:
"Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise." Matthew 23:43

©So was Jesus taking that thief to God's Kingdom that very day?
©What makes that theif (who ignored Jesus' preaching, teaching and miraculous works when he was free) now beg when about to end his life?
©What are the criteria for going to rule in heaven with Christ?
©Did the thief meet up with such requirements?
©What lesson do we learn from this event?
©Does it mean ruling with Jesus in heaven can be given to anyone (including criminals)?
©What about being BORN AGAIN that Jesus talked about?
©Has this thief bypassed all the prerequisites for being a candidate of heaven?

These and many more questions will determine where the comma supposed to be.

Some translators rendered it this way:

"I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise"

While some rendered it this way:

"i tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise"

The reader only need to use discernment! Proverbs 2:1-5

Do you know a so called Pastor almost attacked me for asking him why they don't emphasize on Moses who was also called "God" in the Bible? Exodus 7:1

adeoyekay:
Also, heaven is filled up of the saints and righteous ones those who have been regenerated from their sin among those who will reign with Christ in everlasting glory this thief.will be there.

Following!

Image123:
The height of poo feeding. Anyway, it is not new. How can someone be so myopic to think that others cannot think without them?

Image123:
Lol, who puts the comma, Jesus or translators?
The comma doesn't change the fact that one thief is in hell looking for water and the other is in paradise waiting for us.

So in your own conclusion OLAADEGBU shouldn't ask the question, right?

I thought you're not supposed to THINK for him?

cornelboy:
When it comes to GOD matter, I believe only what the Bible says.
I didn't ask you for that info above. It's unsolicited.

Walahi talahi you sabi find trouble!

cornelboy:
Is this not provoking and an insult?

I often laugh at the way they get easily provoked when someone pay them back in their own coin!

cornelboy:
Okay what's the meaning of the verse:
"Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." ~NIV
Have in mind that, 1. Jesus was in the grave for three days after that day 2. Paradise ain't same as heaven.

I have a feeling that the OP is secretly reading our publications because only those that read our publications can think this deep.
This question is uncommon among Churchgoers!

NNTR:
Its vain, to think its about winning anything.

I dont do arguments, I dont argue, I present fact and figures. I present pieces of raw unpleasant and sharply clear information about something like this here, whats caused you to take refuge in becoming silent.

Being different from you, I dont, without advance warnings, give opinions, regurgitated presuppositions, conjectures or eisegesis

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Thank you Sir!

Following!

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. ~Holy Bible

Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." ~NIV

And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” ~RSV

And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise". ~NWT

You don win no further arguments Sir!

NNTR:
2 Corinthians 10:5
'We are destroying sophisticated arguments
and every exalted and proud thing that sets itself up against the [true] knowledge of God,
and we are taking every thought and purpose captive to the obedience of Christ,'

You know when your goose is cooked. You know when your little blind argument game is being rumbled. You couldn't stand up your opinions in front of the coming presence of facts, so you collapsed, as the pressure was mounting

Proud men will be brought low, arrogant men will be humiliated by innocent, harmless, not dangerous questions
Yes, its our work, soft work, in demolishing blind arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

Beware of false knowledge. It is more dangerous than ignorance and a false sense of security silence

Do not hold the delusion that your silence and refusal to reply those those easy, simple and innocent questions has accomplished you anything good or saved you from their crushing blows

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Mrsoft3:
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Matthew 16:26 KJV
So the question is very simple, if a man sells his or her soul to the devil and gain the world, will he or she ever redeem it? Is salvation for him or her?
If a man sells his or her own soul to God, can the devil have access to him or her again?

Both could be reversed!

Jesus presented himself to God that's why he went to John for baptism where he gained the privilege of becoming the future king of God's kingdom for a thousand years. Matthew 3:13-17
Satan quickly met him to convince him that he has a better offer for Jesus, just worship Satan and instantly become the ruler of the world no need to wait for any future story. Matthew 4:8-9

Jesus has two options either to wait until God's Kingdom before his rulership begins if he wants to be on God's side or worship Satan and get what he wants Sharp Sharp.

Jesus knew the two spirits offering him the goodies so he wisely turned down Satan's offer {Matthew 4:10} and chose to wait patiently for God's time! Psalms 110:1

So if someone sold his soul to Satan to gain the whole world but later repented and wants to go back to God again there's no wahala he must return what he gained and go back to his poverty level.

It's impossible to serve God and Mammon. Period! Matthew 6:24

Chijeep:
sit down and listen to yourself.
Which one is worse?
COVID-19 or Ukraine nd Russia?
COVID-19 killed multitudes in Rome pope wasn't ashamed so why will he now?
If politics can give Catholics dx recognition then don't you think that there's nothing like spiritualism?
I don't even know if you're reading these your write up before posting

Presently Satan is the ruler of the world! John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19

That's why he (Satan) promised to give Jesus all the earth and it's glory if Jesus will worship him! Luke 4:5-7

So any RELIGION that's politically recognized today when God's Kingdom hasn't come is doing whose will?

Even though your ancestors never worshiped the Roman idols but since it was forced down the throat of your parents i believe it's time for you to open your heart and reason. If the Catholic Church is recognized globally for their participation in politics and your Pope is crying now that your brethren are killing themselves doesn't that teaches you that the religion has failed to produce the fruitage expected of the organization of true believers? Matthew 7:16-18

I think you just want to argue so keep your opinion while i keep mine!

NNTR:
1. Who are the co-rulers who will rule with Jesus that you say He will train them on how to rule in righteousness?
2. What is the total number of co-rulers, that's Jesus' PRIMARY assignment to gather so rule with Him and train them on how to rule in righteousness?

This is a load of baloney because blind arguments is exactly what you seem enjoying and love to be doing here on this thread

Even, if for the sake of argument, Jesus emphatically said He wasn't sent to anyone except ISRAEL, does that mean restricted the Gospel, God's plan of Salvation, Redemption and Reconciliation to only the Israelites?

1. What to your understanding is/are the distinction(s) between heaven and the kingdom of heaven?
Compare and contrast heaven and the kingdom of heaven
2. If earth, is not already, part of the kingdom of heaven, will earth be part of the kingdom of heaven or not?

Do you find the above easy questions, difficult for you to reply back to with direct and straight forward answers? If not, then please give your replies to them head on nah

What the number represents and means is for now, a discussion for another moment

Playing along with you, I am sure you can safely rule yourself out of any chance of being part of the 144,000, meaning that, if you're honest with yourself, you would be the first to admit that, you are not ever going to be among the 144,000

Revelation 7:4-8
'4And I heard how many were marked with the seal of God—144,000 were sealed from all the tribes of Israel:
5from Judah 12,000
from Reuben 12,000
from Gad 12,000
6from Asher 12,000
from Naphtali 12,000
from Manasseh 12,000
7from Simeon 12,000
from Levi 12,000
from Issachar 12,000
8from Zebulun 12,000
from Joseph 12,000
from Benjamin 12,000'

Its absolutely illogical and ridiculous, prooftexting Matthew 22:8-10 with Revelation 7:4-8 because of your dire desperation to appeal to your eisegesis

1. Who specifically, give the names, the tribes of the Israelites that failed to produce the fruit, needed to be chosen as corulers with the Christ
2. How, in full details, did the Israelites, from your answer in question 1 above, fail to produce the fruit, needed to be chosen as corulers with the Christ?
i.e. Explain, say in what way and manner exactly, the reasons that made the tribes of the Israelites fail to produce the fruit, needed to be chosen as corulers with the Christ

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Chijeep:
Let me give you a little info maybe you may get your brainwashed head resetted.
Why catholic remains the first and the only true church.
The early Christians were persecuted and martyred by the Jewish authorities because they didn't believe in christ and didn't want their false and selfish teachings to be exposed by the true but just as God's words must surely be fulfilled they weren't able to put an end to the gospel.
ROME was made the base because of the conversion of a highly noble man by Apostle Paul and he allowed the spread of the gospel from there because the rejection and persecution of the Jews didn't allowed the Christians in jews. Then the church was one(universal, which is the meaning of the word catholic) but when the Anglican cutted out from the universal church the church decided to rename the church though with the same meaning but different word, that when catholic began to be used instead of the universal church.
Example: If a product is made and was given a name via the material used in making it and another company created another product from the same material instead of people to get confused they decide to rename the product with another name before people start purchasing the other product from the company. That why catholic church changed her name from universal to catholic.

So all those your stories are made just to tarnish the image of the church.

Do you know? The Bible was compiled even after the existence of the catholic church and people read the word of God from the mouth of the early Christians just like preaching and they believed in one faith because one meaning was been explained.
EXAMPLE: THE QURAN EXPLANATION IS BASED ON THE INTERPRETATION OF THERE SCHOLARS (AS IT'S WHAT THEY'RE TOLD THAT THEY BELIEVE)

The Catholic Church remains recognized for nothing other than participation in the political affairs everywhere the religion is taking that's why your Pope is ashamed now as his members are killing one another mercilessly in Ukraine while their major religion is Catholic!

When God ruled that Israelites mustn't marry people from other nations {Deuteronomy 7:3} it means they shouldn't think of marrying anyone who doesn't view life the way the God of Israel view it. That's why Apostle Paul admonished Christians to marry only their fellow believers! 1Corinthians 7:39
If this has been taken then there's no reason for either of the two to walk out of the marriage unless on the reason of infidelity! Matthew 19:9
So if any of the two choose to walk away from the marriage then the Christian organization will look into the matter critically, try to resolve it for them, but after all effort failed the one standing will be asked to get a divorce papers and present it to the one walking away, his/her signature is needed for the faithful one to get someone else (among faithful people) as a life partner.
The unfaithful one will only have issues among God's people because globally no Christian will like to marry someone who walked out of his or her marriage on any group apart from infidelity. It will be difficult to trust such a person who disregards the word of our Master Lord and King Christ Jesus!

Chijeep:
You're brainwashed by all these trash.
Anglican that was created from Catholics who doesn't honor Mary and was also against priests not marrying is what you said was the first church.

So Catholics were killing all over the world and forcing religion on people. Funny?
Catholic killed Apostle Paul and others but are still the ones that honor saints more than any other church.
You're trying with your lies and I don't blame you but the people who brainwashed you.
SO WHAT MADE CATHOLIC THE MOST RECOGNIZED CHURCH IN THE WHOLE WORLD?

Politics!

NNTR:
Jesus' PRIMARY assignment were salvation, redemption and reconciliation
Jesus in the context of Matthew 15:24, was saying that He's sent to bring the Gospel to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. The Jews, essentially will have first serving, have first turn, as it were

I hate blind arguments Sir.
Jesus emphatically said he wasn't sent to anyone except ISRAEL, so if you don't believe that it's not my business.

NNTR:
Luke 12:32
'Do not be afraid and anxious, little flock,
for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.'
What to your understanding is/are the distinction(s) between heaven and the kingdom of heaven?
Compare and contrast heaven and the kingdom of heaven
If its not already, will earth be part of the kingdom of heaven or not?

In any kingdom the first to be recognized are the rulers before anyone can think of their citizens.
I already explained that God's kingdom doesn't mean heaven but a government under God's direction. Since the rulers who are the first set of the kingdom are to be stationed in heaven then heaven becomes the capital of God's Kingdom. Just as anyone talking about Nigeria will keep Abuja in mind since that's the sit of our government while all other part are under the control of Abuja.

NNTR:
Revelation 21:2
'1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth,
for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
2I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.'
Whats the total number of your so called people who are going to heaven and there they will stay with Jesus FOREVER?

The number is highlighted below.

Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. I heard a sound coming out of heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; and the sound that I heard was like singers who accompany themselves by playing on their harps. And they are singing what seems to be a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000 who have been bought from the earth! Revelations 14:1-3

Jesus made us understand that these supposed to be the number of ISRAELITES to rule with him in Jerusalem as 12,000 will be selected from each tribe {Revelations 7:5-8} but due to their failure God will select co-rulers for Christ from other nations {Matthew 22:8-10} Apostle Paul explained that there are spiritual Jews found in other nations so they're not natural Jews but because God chose them to become sons to Abraham {Romans 2:25-29 compare to Matthew 3:9} that's why the names listed @ Revelations 7:5-8 is not the same as the original twelve tribes of Israel! Exodus 1:2-5

Workch:
Illiterate
Where is the hygienic advice from God?
Your God is so stupid that he created humans and then microorganisms to kill them

The funny thing here is you don't know the real meaning of the highlighted, you're so filled with inconsistencies that you can't figure out the difference between people whose learning is worthless and those whose learning shows wisdom!

Who is an illiterate?
Is it not the one whose life is useless, worthless, hopeless and meaningless?

If you don't know the hygiene taught in God's word and you're here arguing blindly over what has failed to end the problems cause by mankind's dirty habits, are you truly educated?

Well i'm not here for trolls like you so allow the OP who can sense the hard nut in my post that's difficult to break speak!

badboyTee:
you this man

NNTR:

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There's no where the Bible explicitly stated that people are going to heaven and to forever stay there in heaven

I have shown how, you not just incorrectly quoted Matthew 5:3, but also showed how you gave a false or misleading account of the text

Why are you shying from letting us, explore and discuss Matthew 5:3b in toto?
What to your understanding is/are the distinction(s) between heaven and the kingdom of heaven?
Compare and contrast heaven and the kingdom of heaven

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Jesus' PRIMARY assignment was to gather the co-rulers who will rule with him and train them on how to rule in righteousness.
That's why he said:

“I was not sent to anyone except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:24

This little flock (group) {Luke 12:32 compare to Matthew 19:28} will rule over the nation of Israel while the Israelites will take the good news of God's Kingdom to other nations of the earth! Zechariah 8:23

The capital city of God's kingdom on earth will be Jerusalem (Mount Zion) {Isaiah 2:3} so Jews were so proud of this privileged that they kept telling all other nations about their wonderful privileged, even Samaritans were jealous of this {John 4:19-22} do you notice that Jesus told the Samaritan woman that salvation originates with Jews?

Well they lost that privileged by killing most of God's prophets sent to them including the Messiah, that's why Jesus said they no longer worth such favor! Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38

After Jesus' declaration of woes on Jerusalem his disciples were confused and devastated as to what will happen to them if Jerusalem (their proposed City of glory) is doomed.
That's why Jesus told them that he is going to HEAVEN to prepare a place for them where they will stay to rule with him! John 14:1-3

So Jesus actually talked about taking few people to heaven that's why he concludes in his sermon on the mount by stating clearly.

“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens BELONGS to them" Matthew 5:3
Here the highlighted word (belong) indicates their favored condition of becoming heirs with Christ in heaven! Romans 8:17

“Happy are the MILD-TEMPERED, since they will inherit the earth" Matthew 5:5
The highlighted word (mild-tempered) could also be rendered (meek) the meek ones will inherit what God has promised {Psalms 37:11; Zephaniah 2:2-3} because they're HUMBLE and OBEDIENT to the BORN AGAIN brothers of Christ, so they will be permitted to live on Paradise earth which rulership will be in the hands of Jesus' Born Again brothers at that time! Luke 16:9

So FEW people are going to heaven and there they will stay with Jesus FOREVER:

because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord 1Thessalonians 4:16-17

Workch:
OK,
I want you to give me a detailed explanation as to how to can research and produce an antibiotic compound, a vaccine or GMO without theory of evolution

Satan only took advantage of mankind's dirty habits to promote his falsehood.
If we have followed the hygienic advice in God's word we won't need vaccines talkless going through some worthless theories like EVOLUTION!

badboyTee:
you this man

The purpose of chatting with one another is to benefit ourselves, is that true or false?
So any discussion that's based on talks talks talks where there's no benefits wise persons believe it's better to keep quiet!

Chijeep:
Roman catholic were killing? Lol. So what made them stopped and what have your god did to them ever since 3000+yrs ago?
Can't you see that your story is breaking?
Or do you think you're chatting with someone who you can use fake stories deceive
Because it seems that your god is dead because as of today no church have 50% of catholic members and no church will ever have.
So why didn't your god do anything to punish them

Question in the highlighted.
England concerned Rome!
That's what led to splitting the church so that Anglo-Catholic (Anglican Church) emerged, the same thing continued as the English began using their religion as excuse to colonize more counties until America declared FREEDOM OF SPEECH EXPRESSION and WORSHIP!

NNTR:
Revelation 5:8-10
'8And when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb (Christ),
each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of fragrant incense, which are the prayers of the saints (God’s people).
9And they sang a new song [of glorious redemption], saying,
“Worthy and deserving are You to take the scroll and to break its seals;
for You were slain (sacrificed), and with Your blood You purchased people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10“You have made them to be a kingdom [of royal subjects] and priests to our God;
and they will reign on the earth.”'

Revelation 21:5
'And He who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.”
Also He said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”'

Revelation 21:5, tells you everything will be made brand new, while Revelation 5:10, says we not only still come back to live on the earth but come live to reign on earth, meaning be a monarch. Praise be to God for that.

This life is all about circle(s) even with cycle(s). We are returning back to Eden. We are not only saved from eternal destruction and damnation, redeemed from sin and reconciled with God, but we also are reconciled back to Eden as well

I am sure you know that, there is no verse whatsoever, in the Bible, that says anything, about 'going to heaven' however there verse(s) about come back to live on the earth. I reiterate, there's not even one passage in the Bible that talks about 'going to heaven' after death or even otherwise. Meaning that, your phrase 'go or going to heaven' about or after death doesn’t appear anywhere in the Bible, whether you search Old Testament or New Testament. Not once

Matthew 5:3-12
'3Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness:
for they shall be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake:
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you,
and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven:
for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.'

May I kindly refer you to see from the Beatitudes above, what correctly Matthew 5:3 says, which is, it states that:
'Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven'

Now, no where in Matthew 5:3, did Jesus ever, categorically say that, few of his disciples will inherit heaven, but on the contrary, what Jesus said, is 'Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven' meaning that, the kingdom of heaven is not for the haughty in spirit.

Lets explore and discuss Matthew 5:3b.
What to your understanding is/are the distinction(s) between heaven and the kingdom of heaven?
Compare and contrast heaven and the kingdom of heaven

Proverbs 4:7
'The beginning of wisdom is: Get [skillful and godly] wisdom [it is preeminent]!
And with all your acquiring, get understanding
[actively seek spiritual discernment, mature comprehension, and logical interpretation].'

Proverbs 8:11
'For wisdom is better than rubies;
And all desirable things cannot compare with her.'

Knowledge does not function, as a single unit, in fact knowledge without intelligence and wisdom is not good enough. Case in point, compare Eve, with king Solomon.

Getting wisdom is the most important thing you can do. Whatever else you get, get insight, with all your effort, work to get understanding of it.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

So if there's no where the Bible explicitly stated that people are going to heaven then what makes you think everyone must believe in going to heaven?

Amotolongbo:
No one knows the real fact about the existence of earth and universe. All THEORIES, religious or scientific are just guess works

After hearing any THEORY we need PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what we heard then we find out the BENEFITS.

If the theory has no practical application then it's worthless because it can never yield any benefits!

elated177:
How are your dealings with others who are not part of your group?

Good question!

They are our neighbours so we must love them as we love ourselves {Mark 12:31} this means we must treat them the same way we want to be treated {Matthew 7:12} we mustn't force our beliefs on them, they're neighbours we must accept them as fellow citizens who have the right to practice whatever they believe since they're not harming us in any way.
We can only visit them periodically to share our beliefs and hope with them and before doing so we must greet them in the local greeting style then ask for permission before preaching our faith to them {Matthew 10:12-13} so if we are welcomed then we continue teaching them so that we'll become brothers sharing the same line of thought in faith {Matthew 12:46-50} but if they disagree then life as neighbours continues!

But once a person is prepared to shares the same line of thought with us he/she becomes our brother or sister in faith automatically, we must love this one the way Jesus loves us {John 13:34-35} this means we must be prepared to die for such ones if the need arises! John 15:12-13

So either way we must love but one is greater than the other! Galatians 6:10

haddeylium:
A JW that does not know that they have a spokesperson.
Is that one a JW?

Perhaps i need someone to speak in my behalf why i accepted TEACHINGS that's benefitial!

Chijeep:
Continue with your cooked up stories...
Jesus christ said the gate of hades shall never prevail.

Prevail in what sense?
Gates of grave will not overwhelmed what Jesus commissioned. And after all the years that Roman Catholic Church has been killing people here and there saying they're fighting for Christ. America declared FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION SPEECH and WORSHIP to render terrorist religious groups from forceful convertion and intimidating people claiming it is for Christ. So did their falsehood last forever? The honest answer is NO!

Chijeep:
Besides why will Romans assassinate all Apostles and still create their own practicing the same belief. YOU CAN ONLY BE DECEIVING YOURSELF

They killed the apostles because Christianity is making it difficult for Rome to continue with their world domination. Jesus taught his followers not to force their beliefs on anyone while Rome is nursing global domination.
Some of their people have embraced Christianity meaning if things continue like that nobody will pick up weapons to fight in support of their political ambitions. So the only way forward is to kill those pioneering such a faith and start something in imitation but with their own political ambitions as the number One goal. That's why it's impossible for Roman Catholics to preach and win souls apart from the places where they have forcefully imposed their religion!

OLAADEGBU:
Busybody. When you knew you have no business in heaven why enquire from me what they do there?

You quoted me and typed this:

OLAADEGBU:
See how a cult would so brainwash a people to believe that they would not go to heaven and they swallowed it hook line and sinker.

That's why i asked you what they're doing there nah!

That's evidence i'm not one of JWs because up till now i don't know JW's spokesman o!

haddeylium:
I don't even know JWs have a spokesperson until today

I've read many articles encouraging young people to get baptized but not little children. Infact, it encourages parents to teach their children from infancy with the intention of helping them become baptized disciples of Christ one day.

In the Broadcasting programme of March 2020, a member of the Governing Body interviews a brother who talks about his many years serving God. He mentions that he got baptized very young; he wanted to get baptized when he was 11, but the elders refused, so finally, he got baptized when he was 15

In my local congregation, I've seen the case of a child(10yo or 11yo) clearly ahead of his or her age, who easily overcome the level of knowledge and understanding required of an adult,. perhaps some elders might conclude that they cannot reject that person’s desire.

If that is so much a problems, how about the religion organization that baptized Babies?

Visit JW.ORG
Should Infants Be Baptized?
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011729#h%3D1%3A0-9%3A72

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2016202#h%3D1%3A0-30%3A459

OLAADEGBU:
See how a cult would so brainwash a people to believe that they would not go to heaven and they swallowed it hook line and sinker.

After arguing blindly then:

OLAADEGBU:
You will have to offer yourself as a dead sacrifice to get there. Do you still want to get there?

When i already told you i have nothing to do there!

Simple and straightforward: Kumuyi taught you guys nothing!

PastorMIsBack:
I like this. Thank you.

You're welcome!

He is giving everyone according to His riches in glory but only those praying shows they are thankful, that's why only those praying to Him with faith always come out of tribulations victoriously.
So it's not about asking but showing that whatever you got isn't due to your effort rather it's through the grace of God who gave you life!