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cornelboy:
Lol if after 5years, you later post your epistles and I didn't respond, come and kill me!

His arrogance stinks yet he feels right thinking individuals should feel obligated to respond to him.
Well i know how to deal with his type secretly he will be crying inside even though Maximus is silent.
Jesus has taught us how to distinguish between those that really need to be taught and arrogant religionists who doesn't deserve a response! Mark 14:61; Psalms 39:1; Ecclesiastes 3:7

NNTR:
Some posters are real good at being a fake and using a naff James Bond image.
You're going to wear out the stupid 'It's OK Sir' line. Why not be imaginative and use a different line

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Please don't be offended, it's OK Sir!

Image123:
This is a public forum maja, there is no special desire to speak with you. i speak with everyone on the forum without bias.

But while chatting with someone who asked a question regarding what he doesn't know you jumped in only to end up saying:

Image123:
How is your feeling, hope they are not crushed?

Yet to you you're not biased!

Image123:
How is your feeling, hope they are not crushed?

Even though you pretend to be a Christian yet whenever you come in contact with JWs you're so week that you can't contain the bitterness in your heart! Luke 6:45

NNTR:
That's what people say, a submissive 'It's OK Sir!' when the heat's getting turned up and even when they can't stand because things are going down and deeper
Are you not done with your epistle yet?
Strange mocking remark to type
As much as you would love for me, to drop all my engagement and be at your beck and call, life, unfortunately, just, does not work like that., so learn to unstew, learn to suppress the worry, learn to suppress the anxiety or nervous excitement.
Have some self control. Watch this space for when the time is ripe for you to have your fill.
There is nothing I won't do to learn. You're are right, that I want to learn. Yes, I want to learn more about the inner workings of your soul and find out how much more in the dark you are
What people dont know, often makes a good question. So, so far, I've learnt and made discoveries about you, thats all come, from just sheer, shooting questions at you. I've learnt that your silence, is a signal of submission, surrender and fear, that the apprehension that the Holy Spirit will arrest and convict you is what's held you captive and rendered you mute
Its amazing that opening a thread is now an achievement and feat that demands publicising ownership of and beating chest over now. Smh at high-quality ignorance
I am sure you remember, I earlier typed that, unlike you I'll to the best of my ability, honestly, truthfully and sincerely answer all questions you put to me.
_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

It's OK Sir!

cornelboy:
I actually thought the same. I was like this is my thread na. And I also said he will not be the only one asking the questions ...

Within himself he can sense the efficacy and consistency in the way JWs handle scriptural points but due to pride he doesn't want to admit it so his friends won't scold him.
That's why he's stylishly following and asking at the same time pretending as if he's against the JWs.
On the other thread i made sure he openly ask for knowledge before i yielded otherwise they will continue dribbling themselves while i will just be laughing at their ignorance.
If you stay away from their thread or follow silently you will see the way they will insult, abuse and even curse one another openly, but once they notice a JW is around all of them will start pretending as if it's only the JW that's not in agreement with them. Yet if you watch them closely you will find out that even their daddy GOs teachings means nothing to them, they're all scattered spiritually speaking.
So in other to console themselves they'll start accusing you that it's because you can't think for yourself that's why you've agreed with your spiritual brothers! John 17:20-23

cornelboy:
NNTR
Are you not done with your epistle yet?

That one wants to learn but instead of coming out openly pride is his problem so he's trying to know through questioning yet pretending he wants to correct your views but he won't make any meaningful contribution other than questioning you as if you must supply all the answers like a criminal under interrogation.
That's why i stopped responding to him perhaps he has a police department where they will arrest me for not answering him!

NNTR:

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Philippians 2:6
'who, although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God
[as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes
—the entire nature of deity], did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped or asserted
[as if He did not already possess it, or was afraid of losing it];'

John 10:33
"We are not stoning You for any good work," said the Jews, "but for blasphemy,
because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God." (i.e. Lobatan)

There's no need for further arguments after all and especially when balls have suddenly shrunk and shrivelled

If you really want to know where is it written that Jesus is equal to God, then give your responses to the below simple question:

1. What being has the power to know every single secret thoughts going on in a human mind? What's the name given to such being with that ability and power
2. What's the name of the being, who has the power and authority, to say, your sins are forgiven and right there forgives sins?

If you are unable to give your answers to the above two questions, of course, therefore, leave the discussion for matured minds capable on feeding on solids, and experienced in skinning off tough meat leaving bones behind to make toothpicks with

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

It's OK Sir!

AntiChristian:
If you believe the sons of your God came to earth to have sex then what stops people from having sex in heaven?
My religion offers salvation free without God needing to have a son/angel to kill for as ritual to save others!

Theories can come in any form so no matter what you think about other people's theory you also have yours that surely sound odd to them.
One thing that can't be swept aside is the benefits of your so called theory after it has been practically applied among adherents!

Image123:
Find your daddy further my dear, i will never give birth to a cult member in Jesus name.

Yet you want to speak with a cult, shey?
Why not go and speak with your own sons?

cornelboy:
Their females will be served to the men.

So their females have no future since they will be served like suya for their men in their supposed heaven. What a pity for female Muslims?
No wonder most of their females are running away from the religion!

Image123:
You only need to look through his threads since you don't know him and can't read. i have known him for a good while and he is my good friend. You forgot to answer the Jesus question. Your elders never give you expo ni?

Allow him to speak for himself because i have a feeling that he's now learning unlike you who is always abusing people yet pointing accusing fingers at others!

cornelboy:
I have asked you many times, what does your religion offer you?
What are the benefits of having Islam as your religion?

Nothing but a promise of going to heaven and having lots of women, i wonder what their females are going there to do!

NNTR:
This is tired and overused old line
Try another trick to get off the hook
TRINITY is not my problem, TRINITY is your problem.
If I can live with TRINITY and I can live without TRINITY, how then is that my problem
TRINITY is your problem, it is a fishbone, you didnt chew and so the cause of your discomfort, aches and pains

There's no need for further arguments after all there's nowhere it is written that Jesus is equal to God!

NNTR:
Jesus is a combination of humanity and divinity

All humans were CREATED in the image of God and according to likeness of the Godhead. Learn to quote scripture correctly and fully, and make every effort to present yourself before God as a proven worker who has studied correctly so to be able to rightly handle the word of truth with precision

Do really want to know where is it written that Jesus is equal to God? Are you capable of handling the truth?. Ok, here's a moment of truth1. 1. Who could know whats going in the thoughts of a human mind?
2. Who has the power and authority, to say, your sins are forgiven?

Where is it written that "Jesus is equal to God" ?
Please go straight to the point, i'm not used to all these blind arguments!

Emusan:
That wisdom in Prov 8 is Jesus or not
Or how am I wrong?
No! It's simply your conclusion against the scripture.
Do you agree Prov 8 is about Jesus?
Of course the fruits and the benefits can be seen everywhere unless you decided to blindfold your eyes about it.

If you're seeing it please point it out to me!

NNTR:
Each of your opinions will change every time it comes face to face with facts and figures I roll out to you
1. Where in Deuteronomy 18:15-19 do you see or read that Jesus was made a "God" like Moses?
That above was the question you were asked. Now can you honestly say that you answered the question correctly, about where in Deuteronomy 18:15-19 do you see or read that Jesus was made a "God" like Moses?
Do you see how you're fudging Deuteronomy 18:15-19?
I am pleased to see that you've grown some dutch courage to make a better late, than never, attempt at trying to reply to some of the questions, you earlier were hiding from giving your responses to.
Congratulations for turning a new leaf
1. When is the beginning? Is the beginning talking of there, in the past, present or future?
2. What should be used for past occurrence? Should it be 'was' to be used for a past occurrence or it should be 'is'?
3. If the Word has projected out of God to become God in flesh, meaning, God has become embodied in human form, given a human form and shape, what would you, say then about the existence of the Word in the past? Would you say, ' ... the word IS with God, and the word IS God' or you'll say ' ... the word WAS with God, and the word WAS God'
_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

TRINITY is your problem!
There's nothing difficult in what we are both reading in black and white.

All creatures made in the likeness of God supposed to be Gods on planet earth because all other creatures supposed to be obedient to us {Genesis 1:26-28} but due to sin we have fallen short of that glory. Romans 3:23
That's why we are no longer qualified to be Gods on this planet.

For your information, Jesus' ability to perform wonders is because he has no sin so whatever he asks God is granted immediately.
When our sins are blotted out completely we will all become like Jesus asking and receiving immediately without delay! Isaiah 65:23-24 compare to John 11:41-42

Emusan:
But you just read Phillipian 2:6 where is was written boldly.

who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

All humans were CREATED in the likeness of God {Genesis 1:26} so where is it written that Jesus is equal to God?

Emusan:
So he was not God at those time?
Why he was on earth, he was never with God bah yet Jesus says the Father is IN Him and always with Him
Continue your lie
Liar even your 8 lying old men in Warwick will never say such
Your conclusion is wrong.
Yet you'll agree that Prov 8 wisdom personification is Jesus.
Do you know what Prov entirely says about WISDOM?
You see the reason why I said your conclusion is wrong.
Jesus who was an angel and all angels and human are god still became MIGHTY GOD
So was Moses ever referred to as MIGHTY GOD?
Angels and human are all god, so how come Jesus who was an angel will later become MIGHTY GOD?
Does MIGHTY God different from god which angels and Human are said to be?

To me you're also WRONG.
So it's simply my conclusion against yours, that is why we need to go for something different from all these arguments which is the FRUIT as in the BENEFIT of your theory among the adherents! Matthew 7:16-18

Emusan:
Nothing like paraphrase but direct word for word

But read this with your comprehension cap on your head

[b]CEV: Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.

ERV: He was like God in every way, but he did not think that his being equal with God was something to use for his own benefit.

EHV: Though he was by nature God, he did not consider equality with God as a prize to be displayed,

GW: Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality

MSG: He had equal status with God but didn’t think so much of himself that he had to cling to the advantages of that status no matter what.

NIRV: In his very nature he was God. Jesus was equal with God. But Jesus didn’t take advantage of that fact.

OJB: Who, though existing in the demut of the mode of being of Elohim [His etzem or essential nature, Yn 1:1-2; 17:5], nevertheless Moshiach did not regard being equal with G-d as a thing to be seized [BERESHIS 3:5] Phil 2:6

I have to bring many translations here for simple understanding of that verse.

So in a nutshell there's nowhere it's written in the scriptures that Jesus is equal to God. Shey

NNTR:
John 1:3
'1In the beginning was the one, who is called the Word.
The Word was with God and was truly God.
2From the very beginning, the Word was with God.
3And with this Word, God created all things.
Nothing was made without the Word.
Everything that was created'

Do you see what happens when one foolishly choses to remain silence during questioning

The Word created all things, while Jesus existed 4000 years after being projected out from God

God in the beginning was.
God existed long before we were all created.
God participated in making all other things.
God lived in heaven before coming down, as Jesus, to earth.

All sons are distinct from their fathers, so Jesus isnt an exception to this rule. God is not a law breaker, meaning God conforms to this rule or standard too.

Jesus, is a distinct person from God, the Father, who in this instance and even context, is the one true Begetter, or Paterfamilias of Jesus

Fathers are always held in higher esteem than their sons, so dont expect Jesus to go against the grain, meaning dont expect Him not toe the line, in this respect, nor be surprised that He Himself said, the Father is greater than Him (i.e. John 14:28)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Wahala dey for Okpoko!

Is Jesus the same person who sent himself?

Emusan:
The same John says "In the beginning WAS the word, the word WAS with God, and the word WAS God"
As a good English student, will you have rather put "IS" in the last sentence?
Even let's grant your ignorance of simple English.
At what point Jesus was a god
When he was in heaven?
When he became man?
When he resurrected?

In the beginning WAS the Word:
This person i want to talk about existed in the beginning.
And the Word WAS with God:
He WAS with God during creation.
And the word WAS God:
He later became God in the midst of Israel.

I concluded this way because Isaiah said the promised child will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6

Jesus was never a counselor in the midst of mankind until he grew up among the Israelites so he served in all those capacities one after another.
He first became a child, then grew up to be a Wonderful Counselor, due to the powerful works he became a Mighty God and after paying for obedient mankind with his blood he became the Everlasting Father of obedient mankind unlike Adam who is dead now! 1Corinthians 15:45

So he was never God until he came to live in the midst of mankind and exhibit those qualities just as Moses was not a God until he God to Egypt!

Emusan:
The Bible says Jesus is equal to God,

Can you quote where this is paraphrased in the scriptures?

Thanks in advance!

When you ask questions i believe you want to know my own conclusion on what we both read in the Bible so if we agree fine and if we disagree each person will hold onto his own opinion!

NNTR:
1. Where in Deuteronomy 18:15-19 do you see or read that Jesus was made a "God" like Moses?

The Almighty God said to Moses:

"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him" Deuteronomy 18:18
God actually said He will raise a prophet LIKE Moses among the Israelites and Moses is the one and only prophet God made "like God" {Exodus 7:1} that's why Apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet that came in the manner of Moses! Act 3:22

NNTR:
2. Whats the difference between being God and be like God?

There was no one being God it's the Almighty Himself that made and gave authorities to all his servants (including Jesus) Matthew 28:18
So i don't think anyone is God apart from the Almighty, perhaps that's what John meant by saying: the Word WAS with God! John 1:1

NNTR:
3. Who is God and who was made like God between Jesus and Moses?

John did not say "IS God" rather he wrote "Was God" which means the person in question WAS a God at a point in time just like Moses WAS God in Egypt!

Emusan:
So where does the Bible say Jesus was MADE LIKE God?
That scripture didn't say, in the MANNER OF MOSES that was your own perversion.
Was universe created through Moses?
Was Moses existed before the creation of the world?
Was Moses had glory with the Father before anything was created?
Was Moses live in eternity with the Father long before God brought creation into being?
To even think Jesus is LIKE a god the same way Moses was made like a god to Pharaoh is so pathetic. So it's a must for him to agree with you first
Wonder shall never ends

It's according to the way you understand this.

Jesus was with God in the beginning.
Jesus existed long before we were all created.
Jesus participated in making all other things.
Jesus lived in heaven before coming to earth.

But he himself said the father is greater than him {John 14:28} to me it means all what Jesus could be is due to the grace of God who made Jesus the first creature (first born of all creation)

So if that same person later made Moses like a God it simply means both Jesus and Moses are no match for the one who gave them the authority they had. Therefore it doesn't matter who came first or last between the two to me what really matters is that God used both of them at different point in time and they both direct all honor and glory to the one who sent them.
So the same person made both of them what they are, that's why Jesus could say:

"Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever he does, that the Son does likewise" John 5:19

To me both of them were made to be like God by the Almighty who gave them authority!

If Jesus say:

"By their FRUITS you will know them" Matthew 7:16-18

There's no need pointing accusing fingers, all we need to know is the expected FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit in the gathering of imperfect humans. That's the only proof of pure worship since imperfect humans will always commit blunders but God's Holy Spirit will gather the obedient ones and start making use of them to exhibit Godly qualities like LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

yommyoke:
Respect, never for once think in this direction. So this is a case of grammatical understanding,
"I tell you today, you will be ......." And "I tell you, today you will be ......."..
It sure means the thief will be in paradise, but might not be that same day, since Jesus was still probably on earth for the next three days before finally ascending into heaven.

Great!!

Thanks, all glory and honor to the true God who dispensed His holy spirit so that we may understand these sacred secrets! 2Corinthians 13:14 compare to John 14:26; 16:12-13

If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination. Proverbs 28:9

Prayers are only useful when those praying heed wise counsels from God's representatives but in the case they deliberately ignore such wise counsel then it's no longer God's business.

Before Jesus' arrival on this planet the one and only true God has created the awareness that His Son is coming to counsel Israelites so they must be prepared to listen to him! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

The Israelites were to digest everything Jesus taught them and take it to the rest of the world {Zechariah 8:23} all these is to prepare our minds against Satan's desperate moves during the end time when he finally discovered he has failed in his rulership over mankind. 2Corinthians 4:4

But the Israelites kept killing the prophets sent to prepare their minds for the arrival of God's Son {Matthew 23:37-38} and finally the conspired and killed God's Son. Matthew 27:25

What was expected as a result of Jesus' wise counsel?

Well as the world's most wonderful counselor of all time and Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} Jesus' counsel supposed remove racism and politics from the hearts of all his disciples so that they can become one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4

But Satan is also working really hard to make sure that Jesus' mission failed. 1Peter 5:8

Well Jesus' mission proved to be a great success as God's Holy Spirit was dispensed upon few first century Jews that accepted his teachings and prepared to take it round the globe against whatever Satan wants to do! Act 2:1-3

Satan quickly jumped into action and killed all the first century Jewish disciples in order to bury Jesus' wise counsels! Act 4:18; 5:28

But these Jews also proved to be smarter as they quickly penned down Jesus' words and their activities in a language popular during the first century (Greek) so before Satan could exterminate all of Jesus' first century followers all what the coming generations need to know about Jesus of Nazareth has been stored up for future use.

Today Jesus has come back some 107 years ago to restructure his group so that the message of peace could be taken to the most distant part of the earth and millions have now vowed never to raise weapons against their fellowman due to the wise counsel they've received from Jesus' anointed brothers.

So if any religious group now gather to pray against WARS but failed to preach against it as Jesus' true disciples have been doing for the past 100+ years who will listen to such hypocritical prayer? Proverbs 28:9

Image123:
He's not asking the question out of ignorance or seeking for answers, you should learn to know people better. He's putting it up for forum discussion and knowledge share. Like a form of breaking bread, though that hardly exists on the platform. You think Jesus was confused or unsure of His identity when He asked questions?
On thinking, can't you see that you are so blind? Why do you think anywhere there's a semblance of agreement with you, the person must have learned from your little gods or be a member of your cult? Are you unaware that people study the Bible or they teach you that no one can study Bible if he's not from your little cult?

Someone asked a question about what he don't know and here you are trying to tell us what he had in mind, are you his spokesman?

Herdsmen are disturbing farmers, the Naira is falling on daily bases, fuel price is increasing and most Nigerians want to get rich at all cost.
Come on any smart gambler could have predicted the same thing nah!

NNTR:
Exodus 7:1
'Then the LORD said to Moses,
“See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh,
and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.

OR

Then the LORD said to Moses,
“Pay close attention to this. I will make you seem like God to Pharaoh,
and your brother, Aaron, will be your prophet.

OR

So the LORD said to Moses:
“See, I have made you as God to Pharaoh,
and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.'

Where in Exodus 7:1 did you read of Moses being also called "God". If its not a blind argument, if its not tucking the tail between the legs with whimpering silence signalling submission and fear, then making misleading comment is another thing you are infamously well known for on this forum

Moses was never anywhere in the Bible called God, this is another of your habitual turn into a blind argument false interpretation of the bible text .

The gist of Exodus 7:1, is this, Moses was made to become as if he's God, to Pharaoh, meaning, Moses will confront Pharaoh, to declare God's will, desire, plan and purpose before and to Pharaoh, while his brother Aaron, will be Moses' spokesperson, considering that Moses has a speech impediment and he was trying to weasel his way out away from going with God, under the excuse that he stammers

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Who made Jesus a prophet and "God" like Moses? Deuteronomy 18:15-19
Apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet that was sent in the manner of Moses! Act 3:22
So if you don't agree then i'm not interested in blind arguments! Titus 3:9

cornelboy:
To be honest, I wanted to ask him if he's studying with the JWs, because the man from opened my eyes to that when I was trying to defend the doctrine of immortal soul.
I no dé use JWs play o.
Everything is well figured out.

Well Jesus' statement about the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses always ring a bell in my mind:

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?" Matthew 24:45

If Kumuyi (the founder of the church where the OP attends) has done justice to the topic he won't have raised the question here.
Can't you see the other stupid Churchgoer complaining when he himself doesn't know the weight of the question OP raised?