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Emusan:
I meant stop worshipping those 8 men in Brooklyn

If obedience to those taking the lead among us in the faith {Hebrews 13:17} means worship to some people then i'll worship them till Jesus return. Because Jesus said whatever thing they bind on earth will be bound in heaven and whatever thing they loosen on earth will be loosened in heaven {Matthew 16:19} Jesus even said whoever fails to acknowledge them be will cast away! Matthew 25:41-46

No wahala if obedience to them means worship to some people then i'm worshiping them o!

Hismasterpiece:
Lol... MaxInDHouse the comedian you failed to quote the scripture that says:

Heb 8:11 - None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them

Under the new covenant all can know and understand God because all have access to the scriptures



Mad max... keep deceiving and being deceived.

You quoted the scripture out of context Sir!

Paul was here referring to the time when God's Kingdom has taken over from worldly authorities {Daniel 2:44} it has been prophesied {Jeremiah 31:31-34} but for the main time Apostle Paul urges all JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES to remain OBEDIENT to the teachings of the GOVERNING BODY:


Remember those who are taking the lead among you, who have spoken the word of God to you, and as you contemplate how their conduct turns out, imitate their faith! Hebrews 13:7

Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over you as those who will render an account, so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you. Hebrews 13:17

No wonder Jesus' command says

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,  teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things! Matthew 28:19-2

So Jesus emphasized on the need for some to continue TEACHING others in his group until the conclusion of the system of things when such will no longer be!

AgirlsNightmAre:
Maximus stop this nonsense, stop taking scripture out of context
There's nothing like GB in the scriptures

Perhaps you never studied the scriptures with meditation Sir!

A Governing Body is a group of older men of the faith in Christ who are appointed as overseers of Jesus' flock.
Before Jesus left he appointed Peter the apostle as the spokesperson of that little group whom he called "Apostles" that's why Jesus said:

"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Matthew 16:19

Jesus also commanded this same Peter saying:

When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?" "Yes, Lord," he said, "you know that I love you." Jesus said, "Feed my lambs." John 21:15

That's why you'll notice Peter always speaking up for the group {Act 1:13} anytime the need arises or whenever they're questioned! Act 2:14; 3:4,12; 4:19; 5:29

But does that mean Peter has become infallible since Jesus chose him as spokesman for the Apostles?
The answer is NO!
Because the same Peter failed woefully to acknowledge gentiles who has been baptized with God's Holy Spirit in the presence of Jewish Christians {Galatians 2:11-14} despite the fact that God has forewarned him not to discriminate against believers due to racism! Act 10:15

So there was a GOVERNING BODY in the first century and Apostle Paul whom Jesus used to correct peter acknowledged this BODY that's why he always report back to them:

As they traveled on through the cities, they would deliver to them for observance the decrees that had been decided on by the apostles and the elders who were in Jerusalem. Act 16:4 compare to 15:2

Apostle Paul emphasized on the need for all the Christian congregations to OBEY the counsel of the GOVERNING BODY! Hebrews 13:7, 17


So if you don't know that there was a GB after Jesus' ascension to heaven that's not my fault Sir!

Hismasterpiece:
Lol.... MaxInDHouse, Janosky and Cornelboy won't like this

I agreed with this 100% because Jesus said about his future followers:

“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word" John 17:20

So according to Jesus there will be some who are given the spirit to TEACH others {Matthew 28:20} while the Holy Spirit TEACHES this ones {John 14:26} they in turn will be TEACHING others in the congregation! Hebrews 13:7,17 compare to Matthew 24:45

Therefore it is impossible for anyone to pick up the Bible, read and understand without those given the spirit to TEACH others {Ephesians 4:11} that's why there's contradictions everywhere as each person just wake up one day and gather people in a place only to become their pastor then start contradicting the others so that all of them are claiming huge religious titles yet there's no unity unlike Jehovah's Witnesses who are united globally in the same line of thought! John 17:22

It's God's plan to bring millions of people together under one umbrella and make them surrender weapons so that they're no longer training for wars {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} is what your friend is against not Jehovah's Witnesses.

He has been blinded by Satan who is the God of confusion {2Corinthians 4:4} so that the fine WORKS of God's Holy Spirit which has produced good fruit in the midst of imperfect humans that what he is condemning unknowingly! Matthew 12:31-32

Next time simply call your black nepotist and racist friends like you who just want to worship the Gods their forefathers worshiped at least you will catch some gullible followers here instead of using your fingers to type nonsense about the Most High God JEHOVAH!

All the Gods ever known throughout the entire world are fallen angels (demons) that's what JEHOVAH says and He has indisputable proof of that so if you're not ready for the truth you're free to choose whichever God that's pleasing to you but never in your miserable life should you type gibberish about the world's most Wonderful Personality ever known in the history of mankind: JEHOVAH!

Ertugrul:
The other guy keeps saying how Jehovah wanted to use Abraham as a seed for the world to know him...what kinda stupid explanation is that, even prior to Abraham, civilizations that have lasted thousands of years have been in existence and life was already thriving through out the world....
You use Abraham's seed to wage war and grab land of other people, u promised them a Messiah to help them when the Assyrian empire waged war on them, then u abandoned them and went away....
A certain Jesus read the jewish texts and claimed to be the messiah, even his own people did not believe him coz they knew it was a charade... during the roman occupation where jews where subjugated and strangled by the Romans and even by their own religious leaders...Jesus sought to make things easier for his people by adjusting the jewish laws.....
Paul came along after Jesus was crucified for treason, he adjusted everything to make it easier for non-jews to join the sect, there were many religious sects thriving in the Roman empire...
The only reason why Christianity survived was the conversion of the Constantine...he made the religion the state religion and sought to use it to project soft power,
People who have no idea about history and geopolitics would be blabbing rubbish...
There's nothing to holy about Christianity, its a religion made popular by violence and not by any plan from Jehova, Jehovah left this planet a long time ago,
Religion is spread by states wanting to seek soft power to control people under their jurisdiction easily during the era of state expansionism

Keep deceiving yourself!
All the Gods of your forefathers what exactly have they achieved in the history of your people?
Ọ̀DẸ̀, ÒPÒNÚ, OLÓDO
Which of the Gods of your forefathers do you really know about?
I was a Muslim and i have lots of experience in ifá, Ṣànpànná and several other Gods so tell me exactly what they've done for your people!

The Israelites rejected Jesus of Nazareth because this mindset of yours is what they had. They can see how powerful Jesus is and they're sure he is from their God but what they expected of him totally differs from what Jesus was telling them.
With Jesus in their midst they believe they should be able to conquer Rome and the entire world, to them it's their turn to dominate the world and reign forever after all Jesus can lead them in battle and no weapon can kill them, Jesus can even control the forces of nature!
So when Jesus refused to heed to their selfish cravings they turned against him and wanted him death perhaps their God will send someone else. Even John the baptist who baptized Jesus began doubting him because their expectation was that the Messiah should begin solving all their problems, so John sent his disciples to Jesus asking him if he is the expected Messiah or they should be expecting another! Matthew 11:2-3
All of you are fools!
JEHOVAH is never after all these worthless civilization that's not removing crime, sickness, infirmities, death and sorrow. Isaiah 35:5-6; 65: 21-25
JEHOVAH promised us PARADISE where we will all have the best life with all the animals being at service to us, not where thieves, hired killers, witches and others will continue plaguing mankind. Isaiah 11:6-9
So count our God (JEHOVAH) out of your worthless civilization that can't unite people in LOVE, JOY and PEACE! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Ertugrul:
I can only feel pity and shame for the way we africans have been brainwashed to demonize our origins...imagine saying the yoruba deities are bad demons...this shows the extent to which the colonialists purged us of the knowledge of our ancestors, today we are lost...we embrace the mythology of the jewish people and throw ours to the bins ..what a shame...shame on all of us ..

Today is the first of April 2022 and we are to resume our worship to JEHOVAH in our Halls from today after two years break, so i intended to take a break on this forum but due to this post of yours i decided to give you the last response!

Nepotism has nothing to do with spirituality.
We're talking about how the entire human race got into the troubles we are experiencing globally today so sentiment shouldn't be the basis for judgment if we want to be truthful and sincere with ourselves.

All the Gods ever known in the history of mankind has spoken a lot through their priests and many are their worshipers, JEHOVAH the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) only chose that race as a means to introduce Himself to the whole world as the Almighty Creator who knows how everything began.
Even the Israelites have lost His favor now due to the fact that they're so filled with pride instead of showing LOVE and HUMILITY like their God and JEHOVAH has chosen a united nation of people from different races who are fully prepared to do His will! Matthew 21:43

So it will mean stupidity on the part of anyone to base his/her judgment on the God his own ancestors knew first after hearing the truth about the origin of all these Gods.

The bitterness in you now is brought upon yourself because you leap before looking, instead of asking questions about the origin of the Gods we know throughout the world you're so overwhelmed by sentiment that you called upon the name of my own God (JEHOVAH) and attributed Him to Massive Failure!

But now that you have the whole truth before you instead of going straight to tell us about what the demons your forefathers worship has to say about their origin so as to debunk JEHOVAH'S claim you are now turning to emotional blackmail.
Sorry my friend it's a pity that you and your ancestors were thoroughly brainwashed by those demons into thinking they're for your good.
Please present the benefits of your Gods after all i have presented what JEHOVAH says about all the Gods in the world, where they came from, what they are after, what they can do, what they can't do, what JEHOVAH is presently doing for the entire human race for our own benefits for now and what JEHOVAH has in stock for us in the future.
None of the Gods in the whole wide world has anything worthwhile to say other than keeping you all in suspense.
So it's not a crime when you carry your gun without bullet unknowingly while going to face a wild beast but it's really psychopathic to do so after been told the truth about your hopeless weapon.
If our forefathers worshiped those demons unknowingly and ended up making enemies both home and abroad but JEHOVAH made it possible for those that believe in Him to unite globally as one big and happy family throughout the earth {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} then i will worship JEHOVAH! Isaiah 54:17

Back to our Kingdom Halls imperson meetings!
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Happy to see my brothers and sisters again after the long break even though we are on mask it's a joyous occasion!

Ertugrul:
List of some yoruba Gods...you can see their functions , they transferred knowledge to their people and this enabled their people to grow,develop and adapt to the world when they left...
These Gods at some point went back to their planet...
Ọbalúayé - orisha of the Earth and strongly associated with infectious disease and healing
Erinlẹ̀ - an elephant hunter and physician to the gods
Èṣù - Èṣù is the orisha of crossroads, duality, beginnings and balance
Ibeji - twin orisha of vitality and youth
Lógunẹ̀dẹ - a warrior and hunter
Ọbàtálá - creator of human bodies; orisha of light, spiritual purity, and moral uprightness
Odùduwà - progenitor orisha of the Yorubas
Ògún - orisha who presides over iron, fire, hunting, agriculture and war
Okó - a hunter and farmer
Osanyin - orisha of the forest, herbs and medicine
Oṣùmàrè - divine rainbow serpent associated with creation and procreation
Ọ̀ṣọ́ọ̀sì - orisha of the hunt, forest, strategy and of the knowledge
Ṣàngó - orisha of the thunders and lightnings

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, it's wise to listen to all sides before concluding on what we hear from people.
On the contrary all these Gods were spirit beings (angels) who formerly lived with JEHOVAH in heaven but after Satan has been excommunicated he looked for a way to get some of his colleagues to join him in rebellion against JEHOVAH. It wasn't easy telling them to abandon JEHOVAH'S work which always brings them joy so Satan studied them carefully and noticed that there is one thing humans are enjoying on planet earth that his brothers (angels) can't enjoy.
Remember the Bible explained that it was only the male human (Adam) that God first created to populate the earth so it was possible for only Adam to reproduce without the need of a female but JEHOVAH noticed that it wasn't good enough for Adam to be alone that's why God made a partner for him (Eve) Genesis 2:18-25

So when God said "let us make man in our own image" {Genesis 1:26} it's clear that the attributes of male is what all the angels in heaven have.
Satan has gotten the key so he called the attention of his angelic brothers to observe the way humans are enjoying sex on earth with their females, this is what made many of the angels in heaven abandoned their assigned duties and they actually came down to start mating with female humans! Genesis 6:1-5
This aliens had no human bodies yet they want to enjoy sex with female humans, since they knew how humans were created they formed bodies for themselves and it was the most irresistible physiques they designed for themselves so no female human could resist them.
Ordinarily before you can marry any human back then you must introduce your parents to the girl but these guys were so beautiful, rich and intelligent that the ladies were throwing themselves at them without asking for there origin and if you must know that was how fornication (premarital sex) was introduced to the human society.
To cut the long story short God got annoyed, sent a heavy rain and destroyed all those living on the surface of the earth preserving only eight souls, so all the children born to these rebellious angels, their wives and all others died in the deluge.

But what happened to those angels?
Remember they're not humans so they dropped their fleshy bodies and returned to heaven as spirit creatures after all there's no business for them here again.
God never welcomed them back into the midst of His loyal children that's why they later returned to the earth going and coming back as spirit beings (Gods) 1Peter 3:19-20; 2Peter 2:4-5; Jude 6

So my friend they were all fallen angels and sure they were highly intelligent so they have lots and lots of things to teach their worshipers but JEHOVAH kept the joker to beat them intelligently in the last days so that honest hearted and sincere individuals may know the truth about all these Gods.
How JEHOVAH promised to unite all His own worshipers and make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in our midst while the worshipers of demons will never have such no matter how much they tried.
WHY?
Because you're all worshiping rebellious angels that are only interested in ruling over you!

Speaklove:
The church must begin to train those who could perceive the calling of God to join politics within their heart ,and teach these set of people to align their minds ,intellect ,emotion ,and will and all of their being with that of the spirit of God so as to enabled them institute ,constitute ,and enact the policies, dominion , influence and government of heaven in every political spheres of the nation.

Before the coming of Christ Jesus servants of God do participate in the rulership of the earth but after Jesus has opened our eyes to the fact that Satan is the one behind all human Government apart from the ones established and ordained by God in Israel true believers have stepped back from politics! 1John 5:19

Satan is the God of this system of things {2Corinthians 4:4} that's why Jesus can't rule under Satan's system {John 6:15 compare to Luke 4:5-7} God's own rulership has nothing to do with DEMOCRACY where the majority wins, the majority has always been on Satan's side {Matthew 7:13-14} so in the process where you ask for voting then wicked people will vote not with the intention of getting the right person on the seat but out of their selfish cravings and greed they will go for the wrong person. Or do you expect prostitutes, crossdressers, transgenders, homosexuals, lesbians, bestialists and their likes to vote someone who views them as bad influence in the society?
Well these and many other lovers of iniquity are the ones that formed the MAJORITY in the human society so God is not asking them to vote rather He will give Jesus the authority to wipe them out of existence {Luke 19:27} so that those who are hungry and thirsty for righteousness {Matthew 5:6} could enjoy the richly blessings prepared for them from the beginning of the world after the extermination of the lovers of iniquity! Zephaniah 2:2-3

Politics belongs to Satan not God's children, we are walking by FAITH not by sight {2Corinthians 5:7} that's why Jesus admonished us to continue praying for God's Kingdom to come! Matthew 6:10

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

yommyoke:
You should have known the thief's statement was that of a repentant soul, he genuinely asked that Jesus remember him when HE gets back to his kingdom.
So it means the statement made by the thief was that of someone requesting for forgiveness.. you can't actually say the whole scenario was unclear, as to why the thief was forgiven his sins at that moment, since the bible also said it that as long as a soul genuinely admits his/ her wrongdoings and seek for forgiveness, he/she will surely be forgiven.
So the thief's sins were forgiven at that point in time, so he became a qualified candidate for heaven.

Jesus promised the thief "Paradise" though it's somehow difficult for many to distinguish between heaven and Paradise but a little Bible study with the true Christians will help.

Heaven is where God and angels live so the place wasn't designed for flesh and blood like humans and animals but spirit beings. That's why God's word says heaven is God's abode while the earth has been given to mankind! Psalms 115:16


What about Paradise?

When God first settled the first human pair in the garden of Eden where they had all what they needed, nothing like sickness, nothing like oldage, nothing like death, all the animals both great and small were obedient to humans, it was indeed a PARADISE!
But after commiting sin they were driven out of that Paradisiac garden and they can only see it from a distance while the two Cherubs kept standing with a flaming sword right by the entrance. Genesis 3:24
This garden was there all along during the time people like Cain, Abel, Enoch, Methuselah and Noah walked the earth but they can only see the gate with the cherubs and flaming sword. The garden was washed away by the global deluge and God promised to restore the whole earth back to that condition when Jesus began ruling the earth, that's when we will no longer get sick {Isaiah 33:24} no more oldage {Job 33:25} God will swallow death completely so no one will die again neither are we going to cry or mourn our love ones due to death {Isaiah 25:8} in fact people living that time will not need to know dates anymore because they will always remain youthful as long as they live {Isaiah 65:22} no more blind, lame nor any other deformities because everyone will have sound health {Isaiah 35:5-6} and as for the animals none will be a carnivore because all of them will feed on grasses! Isaiah 11:6-7; 65:25

Please do not discard all what you're reading in God's word now because this is the Good News of God's Kingdom on earth and that's where Jesus meant when he told that dying guy:

"I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise"

Of course that thief who is a Jew surely knew all these because that's what they were expecting to experience when the Messiah (Christ) begin his rulership but they don't know that he must first gather his co-rulers, train them on how they're going to preach and teach all other nations before the establishment of God's Kingdom to end all badness! Matthew 24:14

So that thief died a blissful man with the hope of waking up in Paradise where everything we need will be provided by our God JEHOVAH! Psalms 67:6-7

May you have PEACE!

When reading Jesus' comments in the Bible it's important to note certain points of emphasis.
Most people thought it's by observing the laws JEHOVAH gave the nation of Israel that they're doing the will of God but that's not the truth otherwise Jesus wouldn't have condemned the young man who kept all these laws right from his youth! Luke 18:18-23

So what is the will of God? Matthew 7:21-23


Well to answer this question we need to know God's plan regarding the earth and it's inhabitants because right from the beginning God never gave anyone WRITTEN laws until He delivered the Israelites out of Egypt and brought them to the land of Canaan.

Before entering into Canaan Moses (the same prophet God used to pass the laws to them) told them that another prophet will rise among them who will continue with the plans Jehovah had in mind before calling their father Abraham out of the Cheldian city of Ur {Genesis 12:1-3} this prophet will teach them what they have to do to continue in God's plan {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} a stringent warning follows when Moses said "whoever failed to heed to the counsel of the coming prophet will be cut off from God's plan" Deuteronomy 18:19

So the laws wasn't God's original plan for mankind, it was brought in as a forerunner to prepare our minds for God's only begotten Son who is coming to teach us God's will! Galatians 3:23-25

God's plan is to have people throughout the earth worshiping Him in one acccord with LOVE, JOY and PEACE! Isaiah 2:2-4; Zephaniah 3:9; John 17:20-23; 1Corinthians 1:10


Satan knew all these that's why he keep making people feel cheated so that they're trying to find better rulers among themselves and in the process hatred, fighting and killing has continued in the midst of Satan's worshipers! Revelations 6:3-4

So if anyone is claiming CHRISTIAN today but failed to know this sacred secrets let him/her know today that he is far far far away from accepting the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} for your information the Mark of the beast is POLITICS so only those involved can have their businesses unhindered while others must serve under them! Revelations 13:16-18

Thank you, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Ertugrul:
Lol now i get you, imagine people enjoying the stability that governance and politics has brought yet u have the guts to demonize world governance...now I understand what u mean all this while by witness...so now all other religions and christian sects are demonic�...you are living today and going about ur business today is because of the government of your nation, without them you are nothing, there is no God looking out for you or coming to save you .....this world does not revolve around ur religious beliefs... humanity will keep evolving and advancing till we can understand more about our origins and these beings that visited here in the past

Well in the absence of no further questions i will rest my case with you.
JEHOVAH has proved beyond any reasonable doubt that He is the Almighty who can say and fulfil His plans no matter what anyone think, say or do! Isaiah 55:8-11

May you have PEACE!

Ertugrul:
Lol explain what u mean by this...

Each God has gathered their worshipers and through their activities you will know what the God gathering them had in mind! Matthew 7:16-18

JEHOVAH claimed He is the Creator so in His plans He wanted to liberate obedient mankind from Satan's domination that's why He establish pure worship which is to be taken the extremity of the earth.

What is expected of His WITNESSES? Isaiah 43:10-12

Well as the Creator He wants all His own worshipers to become like one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally {Isaiah 2:2-4} so that no matter where each of them come from they will speak in harmony {Zephaniah 3:9 compare to John 17:22} without the use of weapons threatening one another to obey Him! Jeremiah 31:33

So i present to the whole world:

The organization of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the one and only group practicing pure worship!

Ertugrul:
You are at odds with understanding this topic...as long as u don't understand the term Gods" as being intelligent Extra-terrestial species same as Jehovah, then it would be hard for you...these beings were not present on earth during Israel's exodus ..they only taught their people means to communicate with them but their absence meant there was little their people could do....
Jehovah's mission was not for u to know him...it was an empire tru Abraham, you are only a Christian today as an African because of the advent of the Europeans who subjugated our ancestors to believe their religion, the British, french , Spanish and Portuguese carried off from where the Roman empire left in the expansion of Christendom...
Jehovah has no business with Christianity, he gave his people laws to guide them tru their exodus and quest to become a state.....
You are a Christian today because of force, not because ur ancestors accepted it willingly... Christianity spread by the quantity of its violence so did Islam...

Obviously you missed so many points in my first post but i'll advise you to read my first post again but this time slowly in order to assimilate!

There was no Christianity until JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES came knocking on our doors!

All the religions you know before the coming of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are worshipers of demons misinformed Churchgoers claiming "Christians"
JEHOVAH'S plan was to unite faithful and obedient humans through the world under one umbrella.
The Israelites (Abraham's descendants) were to be the first to get the message and pass it to all other nations. But these stiff-necked people thought JEHOVAH is only interested in their glory as a nation just as you too are thinking right now. So whenever any prophet rises in their midst and taught them not to think about their glory they will kill such a prophet {Matthew 23:37-38} and that's exactly what they did to Jesus whom JEHOVAH has promised them through Moses! Deuteronomy 18:15-19

Jesus' mission was to train them on how to propagate pure worship without using force but all they're after was to conquer the nations dominating them at that time. So they killed Jesus of Nazareth and that was their end because after few Jews had accepted Christianity Jerusalem was left in the hands of nations fighting for domains that's why Jesus ordered his own followers not to think of supporting Jerusalem because God has abandoned that nation! Matthew 21:43

So instead of arguing without careful study of what Jesus taught why not go through Jesus' instructions to his disciples then come back and tell me if those killing people in the name of Jesus were truly his disciples? Matthew 26:52

Ertugrul:
Maxinthehouse
You claim the war was a proxy war, sincerely do u think that Jehovah would have stood a chance against the Egyptian Gods if they were present during the captivity of Israel? Even without the presence of their Gods...they subjugated the Israelites for a long time before Jehovah came up with his tricks , this was heavily one-sided, same way he tipped the scales of battle for Israel in so many occasions... because he's not omni-present, whenever he was away to wherever he came from and Israel was attacked during his absence, he will blame the losses for their disobedience...and then use his presence to aid Israel in their wars... imagine if other nations had their Gods present, Jehovah would have bn crushed....u cant even compare Jehovah to Egyptian Gods, Babylonian(mesopotamia) Gods..Persian Gods, these Gods left legacies and long standing impact on their people

Well JEHOVAH went down all the way to Egypt with a feeble octogenarian (Moses) and in the presence of all the Gods in Egypt JEHOVAH delivered His people without a military force!

Obviously you don't understand the purpose of the ten plagues so permit me to enlighten you.

Each of the plagues is a heavy slap on the Gods of Egypt, from the turning of Nile into blood to the killing of the first born in Egypt.
The Nile was worshiped as a God back then, Pharaoh was also worshiped as a God and Ra is the God that opens the womb of their women. So if JEHOVAH can kill all the fishes in their Nile, rendered their King useless to the point of begging Moses whom JEHOVAH has made like a God to Pharaoh {Exodus 7:1} and killed all their first born that opened the wombs of their women. Oh my friend JEHOVAH has proved to be the Almighty God! Exodus 6:2-3

Ertugrul:
Lol, your reasoning is very flawed because the world was not centered around the area of Israel... during the period when Jehovah led the Israelites, there were other massive civilizations already in existence....

Of course there were well civilized nations but that's not JEHOVAH'S target, pure worship will prove to be what it was purposed to achieve!

Ertugrul:
What sense does it make to single out when nation as a symbol of ur authority and use them to wage war against others...u said God promised them canaan, wasn't canana already inhabited by its own people? The Israelites waged war on so many nations during their exodus in their bid for statehood, there is nothing spiritual about this, its is pure warfare, u can even see God given them instructions on how to handle women, slaves and spoils of war, even telling them not to assimilate these foreign captives...

JEHOVAH is the most intelligent being in the whole universe! He never wanted anyone to die while planning to establish pure worship in Canaan. He used the most powerful ruler of that's time as a warning signal to all the nations around Canaan not to stand in the way or try to deprive His people from inhabiting Canaan but the demons keep hardening the hearts of their own worshipers.
Note that those people also consult their Oracles so only intelligent ones like Rahab the prostitute in Jericho could sense that the God coming with the Israelite is unstoppable.
So had it been those people reasoned that if this God could singlehandedly deliver a nation of slaves out of Egypt without a military then He is the Almighty God!

Ertugrul:
Your assumption that the Israelites war on nations was a proxy war between Jehovah and demons in false because there's no report of the God's of these nations making any impact on their warfare....

Of course they did!
Because they had priests in their shrines who should have warned them that the Israelites God is the Almighty just as the magicians in Egypt warned their Pharaoh! Exodus 8:19
So don't assume that they had no impact, they knew that their worshipers will die in the process but since they had nothing to loose than their domains they prefer to see people die after all these are the descendants of Adam not their own!

Ertugrul:
I have to stick to the topic of this post, The quest for Israel statehood was a failure, the Israelites couldn't consolidate the territories they conquered...the state divided and the Babylonian conquest was the end and they fell into series of occupation because of the strategic location they occupied...

JEHOVAH'S purpose has been achieved!
All He wanted is for people throughout the earth to acknowledge Him through the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob {Genesis 12:1-3} today JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have gathered obedient people in millions across the globe and they have inculcated the principles of JEHOVAH in their hearts using the Bible (God's word) they have settled all their racial disparities, they have diverted all their resources into the production of food and information materials, they have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again and they have said goodbye to military services! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

There's no nation under the heavens today where you will not find JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, though our activities may be restricted due to the effort of demons still fighting for domains but on the larger scale only JEHOVAH has proved to keep His promises as you can see in the above quotations!

Therefore if you want to compare JEHOVAH to any other God please present their Witnesses and the good things they've achieved globally. Act 1:8

May you have PEACE!

This is the reason why JEHOVAH sent out His WITNESSES throughout the earth!
Had it been you studied His word with those sent to come and discuss with you you will know better.
First of all JEHOVAH wasn't planning to rule the world of rebellious humans because Satan is their God and he has assigned different Spirits (fallen angels/demons) to rule over various domains so don't think JEHOVAH wants to drag that with Satan.
Secondly JEHOVAH only chose a nation to serve as example for others to distinguish between those worshiping the true God and worshipers of demons so know today that all other nations were worshiping demons that's why they were fighting over lands as each demon also wants more worshipers and it's the humans they were using as puppets to fight for territories.

So when JEHOVAH chose the land of Canaan as a place to establish pure worship the demons keep instigating their own worshipers to go attacking God's people either to reclaim the land or dominate them. But JEHOVAH proved to be the Almighty as the Israelites keep conquering them. Satan knew that JEHOVAH has a standard and He won't change it so Satan used certain humans to lead God's people into sin that will irritate JEHOVAH and abandon His chosen people. Anytime this happens other nations will overpower the Israelites.
So how has JEHOVAH proved to be the Almighty today?
All those demons failed to fetch for Worshipers outside their domain as they only fight to kill and intimidate people so that such ones are forced to worship them. This has been the common way of getting more worshipers. These demons knew very well that JEHOVAH will not allow them to continue dominating mankind forever but they were trying hard to restrict JEHOVAH'S orders from reaching their own worshipers because they know that once JEHOVAH is able to get His own Witnesses throughout the globe then right thinking persons will notice the difference between the worshipers of the true God and worshipers of demons!
After JEHOVAH has sent his only begotten Son Jesus Christ to come and establish the preaching and teaching campaign that will get all races under pure worship, the demons began fighting to stop pure worship but when they discovered that true worshipers can't be intimidated and that they're fully prepared to lay down their lives for the propagation of pure worship the demons changed their system and 80% of them began claiming they're for the God of Abraham yet their way of dominance remains which is intimidating and forcing people under their domain.
Unsuspecting onlookers will conclude that the worshipers of such demons are for JEHOVAH but intelligent observers can see that they're not because JEHOVAH'S only begotten Son has ruled out the idea of forcing people to worship his father.
So it's still the same demons that are operating underG yet claiming they're for Jesus or the God of Israel.
Today JEHOVAH has vindicated His Holy name through the activities of His Witnesses who have separated themselves from all Worshipers of demons who are still fighting and killing themselves over domains {Revelations 6:3-4} JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So when you say "JEHOVAH failed" look into the matter critically and intelligently because JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are brothers and sisters of their fellow believers whereas all other Gods have failed woefully to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign among their worshipers!

May you have PEACE!

Janosky:
"However much money people donate to the Jehovah’s Witnesses is their own business." According to your apostate friends website.
Deluded WAILER, receive SENSE.

After my invitation the thread died!
WHY?
Critics don't know how fully competent and completely equipped we are when it comes to defending the truth, in fact they thought we will always agitate for being accused, whereas each accusation against God's people opens a room for gratification of pure worshipers.

These are the questions raised:

Did God's people in ancient times contribute to the success of pure worship?
YES!
Was there a hindrance for poor ones not to participate during contribution?
NO!
Were little children restricted during contributions?
NO!
Apostle Paul emphasized on something very vital that critics of pure worship failed to note:

"On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law" Galatians 5:22-23

Any organization of people in whose midst God's Holy Spirit is WORKING out this qualities there is no law sane individuals can put up against them!
Such law must surely be inhumane before it could stand against Jehovah's Witnesses!

Janosky:
"However much money people donate to the Jehovah’s Witnesses is their own business"

Our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus said:

“Look! I am sending you out as sheep among wolves; so prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves. Be on your guard against men, for they will hand you over to local courts and they will scourge you in their synagogues. And you will be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a witness to them and the nations. However, when they hand you over, do not become anxious about how or what you are to speak, for what you are to speak will be given you in that hour; for the ones speaking are not just you, but it is the spirit of your Father that speaks by you". Matthew 10:16-20

We don't need to speak harshly with anyone {1Peter 3:15} God's people in ancient times do contribute to the success of pure worship and nobody was left out as long as you're willing to make a contribution!
So they're the ones that will become frustrated after their efforts to accuse us failed and come out in their true colors! Luke 6:45

GardenOfGod:
That's an extract from the article.

The writer of the article is biased but from the events that occurred among God's people in ancient times you can borrow a leaf.
Those taking the lead will appeal to Jehovah's Worshipers (Witnesses) and contributions will flow in from all both rich, poor, young and old so that no one is left out in the contribution.
That's why it's called "VOLUNTARY contribution" it's whatever your heart compels you to do and nobody should deprive anyone from participating in the success of pure worship!

Because they're not true Christians!

GardenOfGod:
What you're saying is a direct opposite to the evidence before us.

You're missing the point Sir!

Imagine you were present the day people are contributing into the treasury and you see a poor widow bringing her two coins of little value, what would you have thought about her and what did Jesus say about her contribution?
Everyone is happy contributing to the success of God's organization even our little ones are happy to join in the contribution.
If Jesus never stop them from coming forward to join in acknowledging God's prophet {Matthew 19:14} who are we to stop them from participating in the success of God's work?

GardenOfGod:
But that's what was done to the elderly members

No what the writer is emphasizing here is that the organization continue to ask for all members to contribute despite what those wealthy people have done.
Well Jesus commended a widow with two coins of little value {Luke 21:1-4} meaning God wants everyone to feel a sense of belonging so that it's our collective effort that's working not that of single person!

GardenOfGod:
It's always reasonable to have decent conversations without resorting to unnecessary insult that I personally detest.

Having said that, might I draw your attention to the disparities in both cases... The issue at the headquarters of the witnesses is about forceful deduction of funds... While the portion of the scripture you presented in support has to do with freewill donation.

How do you marry the two discrepancies together?

Do you listen attentively?
Because the highlighted is totally against our beliefs! 2Corinthians 9:7

Ogamysamo:
before you comment you better read well, read and read it over again so as to comprehend what they were saying before you come and comment insult or false defence. i didn't really understand much of what i read and thats why am not making any comment regarding that. so if you didn't understand emulate me or ask question, anybody who understand may attend to you rather than abusive comments or making jest of everything jestable we should behave like obedient christians yes be fast to hear but make no haste to give a respond

Thanks for your understanding!

Among Jehovah's Witnesses we have brothers and sisters who formerly slaved for wealth but after getting the sense of the Good News of God's Kingdom they realize they don't really need it so the willed all to God's organization so that Bibles and other material provisions needed by their brothers and sisters in poor counties may rich them.
For instance most people don't know that in Africa only few can afford the Deluxe Bible Jehovah's Witnesses organization is distributing FREELY to everyone that needs it yet our brothers and sisters in rich countries never got tired of supplying these things.

WHY?

Well Jesus commanded that we sell our clothes if any of us can't afford a Bible (Spiritual Sword) {Luke 22:36} but due to the love we have among us {John 13:34-35} we can't watch our brothers sell their clothes to get Bibles so our Jehovah provide for our needs through our brothers as He dwells in our midst! 1John 4:8

GardenOfGod:
MaxInDHouse should come and explain to us

After hearing that, Jesus said to him, “There is still one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute the proceeds to the poor, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower. Luke 18:22


In fact, no one was in need among them, for all those who owned fields or houses would sell them and bring the value of what was sold, and they would deposit it at the feet of the apostles. In turn distribution would be made to each one according to his need. Act 4:34-35

When faithful people hears about the good news of God's coming Kingdom they realize they don't need keeping the acquired material possessions {Luke 16:9} that could be used to provide spiritual food for their fellow believers in other places so to make an equalizing they give up everything for God's organization to keep providing what is needed! 2Corinthians 8:14

For your information i'm not leaving any possession for anyone to inherit, my children already knew that when i die all my properties belongs to the Watchtower for provision of Bibles and other timely information materials where my brothers and sisters are lacking it.
I'm not to pass on wealth to them but knowledge that's never going to ware out. Deuteronomy 6:6-7

Thanks for inviting me, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

cornelboy:
Like God is now interested in politics Abi

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, the witches knows exactly what they're saying but misinformed Churchgoers got it all wrong.

Satan is their head and as well the God of this system of things {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} so whoever wants to rule any part of the earth surely is about to operate within his domain! Luke 4:5-7

So the witches knows who has offered their God the required sacred service to mount the throne!

cornelboy:
Ok

Now you know why trolls like him are ignored when they come with their blind arguments!

ThankGodFriday:
If I pray for repentance, I don't feel the spirit of God in me. What should I do?

It's because you've not been healed!

God's word says:

Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven! James 5:14-15

So my friend you need the help of the elders in God's organization to get cured spiritually, Jesus said where two or three are gathered in his name he will be present {Matthew 18:20} of course with Jesus in the midst of the elders of God's congregation praying for you your sins are forgiven! Matthew 5:20; 9:2

Image123:
Lol at "later became God". i guess this is a new update from your sad hall governing bodies . i know you guys used to squirm and blush when stuttering about John 1 but they think this new explanation gives you a breather. Dem try but they never try reach. Repent and embrace the Truth. Jesus the Christ was BEFORE Abraham, not only Moses. Jesus is Eternal and created ALL things including you, go and read John 1 and weep again. He is compared to Moses in the obvious sense that the Old Covenant was delivered by Moses while the New Covenant was delivered by the man Jesus(let me distress you well well ). It is like comparing Jesus to a Lion or God to a Rock/Hill or the Holy Spirit to fire. It does not mean that they are equal or non-living things. Get understanding with all your getting.

Moses became GOD in Egypt! Exodus 7:1

Image123:
Yes oh, i can speak for him. Ask him and get further heartbreaks.

Allow him speak for himself nah!