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MindHacker9009:
So the angels too have eaten the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil

YES!
It simply means choosing to be independent from God.
Those angels abandoned their habitat and their assigned post!

AgirlsNightmAre:
DID NOAH'S FLOOD REALLY HAPPENED, AND IF IT HAPPENED WAS IT WORLDWIDE?

THE GENESIS ACCOUNT OF CREATION HAS A LOT OF LOOPHOLES," LIGHT WAS CREATED BEFORE THE SUN".......

A LOT OF INCONSISTENCIES IN SOME VERSES IN THE BIBLE, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THIS VERSES WAS LATER PLAGIARIZED BY COPYISTS?

WHY IS THE THE BOOK OF ENOCH REJECTED, WHEN JUDE QOUTES FROM IT IN HIS LETTER

There are more than this, they are somethings that need a second thought before being dogmatic, religion from what I've seen limits your thinking capacity.....

Is it after typing the above that you later came to type the below on another thread?

AgirlsNightmAre:
I did not spend time to read your trash, as for the apostles there was no succession, Apostle John was the last apostle who died around A.D100. Christ is the head of the congregation and he directs the church through his holy spirit......the apostles were not dictators of faith or busy formulating some kind of dogma for the members of the congregation rather as Paul said "they were fellow workers" not "masters of their faith"

Well it's because your religion is false that's why you must doubt it, so this is the time to be open minded perhaps look carefully at the things you once abhor due to your former false religious beliefs!

MindHacker9009:
So if there is no sex in heaven why did God create His angels to want sex then

There was no thieves, no murderers, no hatred, no weapons and so many other evil deeds until humans ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.

So the angels left heaven where there is no gender difference for earth because of sex otherwise they could have gone for their own type (female angels) who must be a million times more beautiful than imperfect humans!

OLAADEGBU:
The Garden of Eden no longer exists. It was destroyed and dislodged during Noah's Flood.

Psalms 37:9-11, 29; 67:6-7
Isaiah 11:5-6; 25:8; 35:5-6; 65:21-25

YES! It was dislodged during the flood but to be restored again, that's why Jesus asked us to pray for God's Kingdom to come! Matthew 6:10

They were angels in heaven but Satan used sex to distract them from God's work so they left heaven for earth to come and commit sexual immorality with female humans, remember Adam is the first human God made in His image before He later decided to make Eve {Genesis 2:18, 21-25} so the angels in heaven have the nature are qualities of males that's why one third of them left heaven with Satan {Revelations 12:4} after the destruction of Noah's generation these aliens tried to return to heaven but God didn't allow them in {Jude 1:6; 2Peter 2:4} [b]they returned after God disengaged them and became demons (the Gods people worship throughout the earth before God introduced Himself to Abraham) today they've transformed into angels of light, they're the ones responsible for countless religious groups claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines throughout the earth! 2Corinthians 11:14

If you want to know the one and only religion that belongs to Jesus they're around today but just as people hated Jesus and his first century followers, Satan and his demons have turned people's hearts against Jesus' true disciples today! Matthew 10:22-25 compare to John 7:7


May you have PEACE!

There is a big problem when you fail to know the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) because we are the one and only group that can teach you what Jesus taught otherwise you will continue to argue with misinformed Churchgoers!

Jesus asked us to pray for our enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} because they thought they want to save us from a evil cult by persecuting us whereas they don't know what they're doing! {Luke 23:34} but that's not the case with friends who knew our worth yet trying to make fortune out of betraying us into the hands of those plotting to kill us.
That's why Jesus never prayed with people until they accept his teachings just as Jehovah's Witnesses does today! John 17:8-9
Jesus must not go against God's word which says " The one refusing to listen to the law —Even his prayer is detestable" Proverbs 28:9 God will never accept such prayers made in behalf of hypocrites like Judas Iscariot who knew what God says about Jesus' teachings {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} yet trashed it only for the love of money {Mark 8:36} God warned his prophets never to pray in behalf of hypocrites {Jeremiah 11:14; 14:11} So Judas Iscariot has sold his own soul to the devil in replacement of money! 1Timothy 6:6-9

When we pray for our enemies you should know that such prayers can't be done in their presence if we don't want trouble it's only when we notice that they don't know what they're doing {Act 7:60 compare to Matthew 5:43-48} that's why you will notice that Jehovah's Witnesses always come back to you no matter how badly you've treated them for coming to preach to you because within our hearts we must continue to wish you well! Luke 6:27-28


May you have PEACE!

AgirlsNightmAre:
Your brainwashing was a success

Just as Jesus' disciples were also BRAINWASHED to the extent of preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood! Matthew 10:22-25

achorladey:
The Bible you carry states in 1 Timothy 3:16,17 it is God's word that is inspired. The religious organization set up by men today feeds from the the Bible not the bible feeding from the church. The discussion centred here are what the scripture says not what your church says. It sometimes spill into some of the teachings of your religious organization and other denominations yet the base is what you the Bible says.

Learn. No dey carry the name of your religious organization like calf to be worshipped.

In short you no get church, no wahala!

cornelboy:
Everything will turn out ok sir.
We use diesel at my work place. We now but black market.

My brother it hasn't been easy at all!

We have a supplier but we're not sure of the next day price of diesel, it's really spoiling business for us as we can't predict how much the supplier will call it so each day it's until diesel is settled before we can think of profit!

Crysthaniel:
I honestly think it's the High time we stop All this Debates.. To be Honest with you I personally don't think that Religion as we know it is living up to expectation.. I urge everyone one to work on Fruits of the Spirits as discussed in The Bible then use all our knowledge to assist each other.. Religion can't save anyone..

Which religion that's claiming Christians, preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all your neighbourhood do people join in condemning?

Keep the answer to yourself Sir!

Save the joke for those that need it!

oteneaaron:
Lol
Another round of name - calling.
I only called out your BS - you got receipts all over NL
Stop complaining when other people call you names because that is exactly what you to others.
Cheers!

achorladey:
I am not forcing my response on you likewise. This is a public forum, nairaland forum. I am not holding your jugular not to keep your thoughts or opinion.

Good!
So present your own religion too perhaps you can find interested persons instead of arguing up and down over what others teaches, talk about your own Church, what you people teach and the benefits!

Uptownerd:
Lol.
Definitely a JW!

Yeah, the only Christian group with proof that's indisputable!

The truth about Christianity is that there are lots of unbelievers claiming Christians and you will take them for CHRISTIANS since you don't know what quantifies a Christian.
If you ever speak with a true Christian you will feel the injection of truth in your soul and you will become restless afterwards.
No unbeliever speaks with a real Christian and remain comfortable afterwards because you'll continue to think about how our speech touched your soul and intelligently beat your faculty!

oaroloye:
THE SPIRIT OF GOD GUIDES MY KNOWLEDGE!

This is what everyone will say so stop deceiving yourself, your church taught you just as my church taught me, only God can approve the right church.
If you're not ready to accept what Jesus said about the FRUIT of pure worship then your argument is of no practical sense because many can argue but there's nothing to show for their worthless, fruitless and useless arguments! 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9

oteneaaron:
Lol
Nice word play.
Good thing you got the memo
Cheers!

Next time think well before passing a comment because i don't go about insulting or abusing anyone. Worshiping God is not by force so if i preach to you and you say "NO" all i need to do is tell you the things i may not be able to engage in with you after all we have become friends already so we can both relate as neighbours if not brothers.
But when you start insulting me then you're giving me no option than to stay away from you.
That's exactly what i do here to most people but what i've noticed is that instead of keeping a distance since we disagree people like you will start following me up and down as if i owe you further explanation after we've bid each other goodbye.
Do you remember how you were trailing me all over NL as if i owe you money?
Well i never hated anyone it's either we agree or disagree and life goes on!

cornelboy:
When they don't have church nko or don't believe in God pàápàá.
How's work going sir?

The problem with most people is the way they wish to keep sacred matters, they just want it to taken lightly with no restraint but when they discover that some are devoted exclusively to sacred services they try to figure out if it's due to selfish gain just as Satan accused Job {Job 1:9} to them there's no normal human that should take God seriously.
So when they notice those truly devoted without selfish reasons they begin looking for ways to discredit your Godly devotion trying to make you feel it's unnecessary.
So asking them about their own religion is like putting them on the hot seat, how do you expect them to respond to such a question when all what they're trying to tell you is the exact opposite of what you're doing?

Since the fuel issue business has been really tough o, almost all our gain is used to by fuel now just imagine diesel is sold now at 750 per liter!
The modern day slavery is becoming intensely hot nowadays.

oteneaaron:
Here we go again with the name calling.
Why should I be obsessed with a religion that has been proven to be a cult by the BITE model standard?
It's almost like going back to my own vomit.
Your reciept is all over NL
I was just calling you out for feeling offended when you were paid in your own coin.

No wahala, Jesus our leader already forewarned us that people will call us CULT {Matthew 10:25} so it's a welcomed development but regarding you last statement it's ironic that i am the one who always pay you and your friends in your own coin!

Even Jesus Christ himself never sent his disciples to go talking to atheists who don't see anything good in their Creator, rather Jesus sent us out in search of the lost sheep of the house of Israel, meaning people who have faith in God but don't know how to locate their fellow believers in God! Matthew 10:6

Of course a Christian can chat with an atheist and win such soul over but then it shouldn't be a direct approach since atheists are battle prepared to refute anything having to do with a Creator. That's why Jesus said he will make us fishers of men! Matthew 4:19

How can you rescue any drowning person who doesn't know he's drowning in the midst of thousands of his kind when they're all celebrating their own calamitous condition?

In such cases we draw them out of their zone to a much safer place where none of their cohorts will drag them back into the pool then you can easily remove such one from the dirty pool. It's after some time in a better and safer habitat that the saved one will start thinking of how to render a selfless service of going back to rescue other drowning persons. By then you will not only have a brother but experienced one at that who have been in both places!

oteneaaron:
Where is the lie?

Your obsession with Jehovah's Witnesses is the problem you have but somehow you haven't realize it.

Can you remember a thread where i began insulting anyone simply because we are chatting!

Well that's where you lied without giving it a second thought:

oteneaaron:
But on many occasions you have insulted people and called them names on this forum without any warrant.
This should be a lesson to you.
Don't do to other people what you wouldn't want another person to do to you.
Cheers!

cornelboy:
I don tire o.
Na Emusan I dé wait for make e come prove that Satan is now studying the Bible plus watchtower articles. My stomach dé pain me.
Na laughter cause am.

There are hundreds of thousands of posts and topics on Nairaland but you will notice some monikers are always after JWs asking questions but never ready to answer yours as they're demanding you answer them directly as if you're facing a panel of inquisitors.
Imagine the simplest question any Nigeria will gladly answer:

"which church you dey go?"

Has become a no go area yet they're seriously asking questions about Jehovah's Witnesses!

cornelboy:
Pls is it bad to ask you where you stand on Bible matters?

When they're questioning you based on your faith and there are thousands of different religious contradicting themselves then why are they hiding their own religion?

cornelboy:
I don't really care about what you see or feel.
I'm very serious when it comes to religion.
So what's your religion?

The highlighted!

The heritage of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

The faithful witness (Jesus Christ) {Revelations 1:5} takes religion as the most important! John 2:17

achorladey:
Type, read, process your thought before posting. Stop bringing illustrations and examples that does not CORRELATE. See below

I have told you what we believe, i'm not forcing it on you so keep your opinion while i keep mine!

achorladey:
Learn to reason well.
You are not the person that call them governing body. Na title and appellation they gave themselves to rule and set up their government of men over you. It is safe to say that you are not aged enough to know when they start calling themselves that and the crisis that was going underneath when these set of people want to usurp the powers of the president of the organization then.
MaxInDHouse setting up his own doctrine behind those he called governing body. Una go just pick scriptures and use it to suit your ideology. Even the organization you belong don't teach what I highlighted up there.
See the below from your publications and learn how you will go against or kill one of your teachings to save the other.....
It is evident from Peter’s statements that it was then considered that any individual filling the position of an apostle of Jesus Christ must have the qualifications of having been personally conversant with him, having been an eyewitness of his works, his miracles, and particularly of his resurrection. In view of this it can be seen that any apostolic succession would in course of time become an impossibility, unless there were divine action to supply these requirements in each individual case.
This is serious laughter. See how easy it is for him to disqualify the pope but exalt his religious leaders . You read and don't process the your thought when responding. Here is why
You just agreed to the fact that their should be succession of apostles and the Catholics do believe that as well. Therefore the pope . The audience the pope reaches every week when compared to yours ko la fi we. How many times do you see your governing body member on the street? Especially now that they are the JWood superstars championing Jehovah’s witnesses movies box office of JW broadcasting. Carry your house to house preaching comot. Even the criteria list up their had nothing to do with house to house preaching.
See as he is diverting into his usual narratives. You quoted ephesians 4: 3, I added verse 4,5,6. Do you see Paul made mention of ONE GOVERNING BODY in that account? Carry your diversion comot. The verse is simple ONE BODY. Na una dey put governing body inside the one body. Partitioning what is not there. Paul was not talking about governing body in that account.

In short you have no further questions so keep your opinion while i keep mine!

If a group of people called themselves "GOVERNING BODY" i believe you should know that such title will never have come all the way from America to your house if there are no followers revering them as they claim.
So we call them "GOVERNING BODY" because we agreed totally with them.
For your information "Jesus the son of Joseph and Mary" is what most Jews call Jesus till tomorrow but the young man claimed that he is the Christ that's why many call him "Jesus Christ" a Jew practicing Judaism will never call Jesus "Christ" WHY? Because he doesn't believe in whatever Jesus says.
So we call them GOVERNING BODY because we are fully prepared to continue obeying them as our own GOVERNMENT globally!

oteneaaron:
Lol
I amazed seeing you asking for respect.
When you have on multiple threads insulted people and called them names.
I am surprised that you're complaining about been called Mad Max.
Wow!

I may get provoked and responded to insults by insulting the person but this particular person started as if he needs to know what i feel about the topic and i told him i'm 100% OK with what the OP said. He later asked another question and i responded friendly but then he ended up calling me "mad"

I don't think there's anything that could have warranted that after all i've answered his questions friendly as he began without insults.

Hismasterpiece:
Lol... no vex... Mr Max... But sha still continue in your deception...

I know you strongly believe we are deceived so that's no problem to me but anytime you want to know why we are keeping our faith {1Peter 3:15} just invite me the same way you did here:

Hismasterpiece:
Lol.... MaxInDHouse, Janosky and Cornelboy won't like this

I must not deprive you of what you want to know about pure worship {Matthew 7:7-8} as for who is right or wrong in religion you can keep your opinion while i keep mine!

achorladey:
Keypoints.......
1. We call in your midst is different from what the Bible calls.

We call OUR own GROUP of overseers who are leading us "GB" today, so you're free to choose anyone as your own overseer what is indisputable is the fact that God's word emphasized on the need for oversight among God's people and we call the group "GB" we aren't forcing them on anyone rather just like the first century Christians submitted to the DECREES of those overseeing the organization we are doing likewise today!

achorladey:
2. Are your governing body apostles? Do Jehovah’s witnesses believe in the succession of apostles like the Catholics? If they do, you see the pope as an apostle of Jesus Christ?

The Apostles is the group Jesus chose to lead his group while he was around but after his ascension to heaven many other qualified older men were chosen to helpers of that BODY {Act 6:1-6} so it's not just the Apostles alone that served as the first century GB back then though they were the first part of the group during Jesus' ministry there were qualified older men serving as helpers of that BODY. So YES the GB is serving as the group of Apostles in our midst today, they must be replaced when due {Act 1:23-26}
Apostles are frontiers in the ministry, they're those taking the lead in the preaching work {Matthew 10:2-5} they preach and teach from house to house and door to door. So the Pope who doesn't do any of these isn't qualified to be an Apostle of Christ.

achorladey:
Apostle Paul didn't emphasis on any body. Stop inserting what is not present into the scriptures.
Ephesians 4: 3 - 6
Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
Did you see anything like ONE GOVERNING Body. One body no part of the body governs the other.
Shunning IS another kettle of fish. Na by the way. Those scriptures you cited does not support Shunning.

Regarding that word "BODY" Jesus has spoken about it but only those who are wise like EAGLES can sense where this BODY is to feed on whatever they produce not everyone! Luke 17:37

These people are the BORN AGAIN brothers of Christ who are no longer alive to worldly things so according to the scriptures they are no longer living for themselves but for Christ as if they're dead in the flesh but living in the spirit. So like their brother Christ wise ones look for where the carcasses of these dead ones are to feed on them! Matthew 24:28

Jesus once talked about eating his own flesh and drinking his blood {John 6:56} well what he meant here is that he is prepared to suffer and died for the course that will keep the road to life open he wasn't suggesting cannibalism.
His BORN AGAIN brothers must also lay down their lives for the same course {Revelations 12:11} only the wise ones target where this BODY of anointed brothers of Christ are teaching so that they can feed on them! Matthew 24:45

achorladey:
Read the bible as usual and la cram la pour what your religious leaders taught you its interpretation.
Where did you see governing body in Hebrews 13:7, 17?

We call those taking the lead in our midst today "GOVERNING BODY" according to Jesus Christ we are to support those he selected as Apostles when they're unitedly teaching us since he (Jesus) was with them when deciding on the DECREES they set among us {Matthew 18:20} whatever they bind or loosen as a BODY has been granted in heaven! Matthew 16:19
Apostle Paul emphasized on the need for all the congregations to OBEY these BODY so that things may go orderly in the group! Hebrews 13:17 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3
So anyone contradicting what these BODY has DECREED must be SHUNNED! Romans 16:17 compare to 2John 10-11

achorladey:
Paul corrected Peter not governing body. Should I ask is Peter a governing body? What will you say?

Peter was the first chief spokesperson of the first GOVERNING BODY so he's just a member not the BODY that's why he needed to be corrected as an imperfect human but Paul must never ever speak a word against any decree that has been decided upon by the BODY.

According to Jesus Christ Peter may err in some decisions when it has to do with DECREES on standards but if it was two or three persons that gathered and invited Jesus to be their Chairman in that meeting {Matthew 18:20} Jesus will used the Holy Spirit to direct them {John 14:26-27; 16:12-13} so that they won't make a wrong decision on the DECREES that should be set among his own flock.

So we need to know our limits, for instance i (Maximus) can correct brother Herd (a member of the GB) on something he didn't get right due to imperfection, but when the BODY sit down, prayed on a matter having to do with decisions that will carry the organization together as a global family no human no matter who you are should raise his tongue against such decision because Jesus is the Chairman during the time such decision was made (if you believe what he said @ Matthew 18:20) whoever speaks against such decision is indirectly kicking against Jesus himself not the BODY!

Hismasterpiece:
Lol... Mad max... Like i said before and will say again... keep deceiving and being deceived. Grace to you!!

Please why can't you chat tactfully without the highlighted?
I RESPECTED you that's why i responded to your post, so must you call me names for chatting with you?

Oh thank you Emusan;

Emusan:
Of course you know you're worshipping them, did anybody stop you before?

He is even waiting for Jesus return when Jesus has returned since 1914, how many times will Jesus return?



I thought these are for first desciples, when does this start speaking about the 8 Old lying men



If there's no wahala, why are you repeating it?

Ejyro:
Jehovah's witnesses, please introduce yourselves. I am one of Jehovah's witnesses. Ask me for more information. Hope to read from you soon.

Cheers!

I'm Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses!