Maynman: But your Jehovah get na [/b] See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death(wahala) and give life. I have wounded(wahala) and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.[b]
GardenOfGod: [s][/s] I don't expect you to quote me again bro[b]Russell the founder of the 'original Jehovah's Witnesses' says you are "a deceiver ready to lead the flock of God in your way."[/b] You should be ashamed of yourself.
PoliteActivist: No, you answer the question: if you call Jesus Christ "a god" doesn't that mean you have more than one god??
Now you want to learn!
Moses was God {Exodus 7:1} he foretold that the God of Israel will raise up another prophet like himself {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} Apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Act 3:22} so Jesus can't be the Almighty God since he himself openly declared that he was sent by the Almighty God {John 17:3} therefore it is clear that Jesus is also a God like Moses!
Image123: But it has happened before and you also said it could be you, meaning that you can do same.
You can fabricate stories just to suit your lies but that doesn't change the fact that JWs are not involved in the crisis going on presently in Russia and Ukraine!
MindHacker9009: You want others to learn from you and cannot use your data to watch youtude videos with documentary evidence on Biblical historical events you have no clue about except many of the children stories you have been reading in your Bible GOD did not write. The truth is that you are a BIG JOKER.
My God made peace reign among all his worshipers throughout the earth so i'm OK with that Sir!
Maynman: But your evil Jehovah get. [/b] The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble(wahala) [b] I’ll be telling you more
FreeIgboho: So politics is what’s motivating all these suicide bombers not going to heaven and acquiring 72 virgins?? That’s your belief? You know, one forgets some on this Nairaland are quite loony
You only need to know how motivational speakers work in the field of POLITICS, they target your weakness to make you do that which you won't like to do ordinarily. So going to heaven or having 72 virgins are all means of recruiting dedicated fighters for their political ambitions. When they notice that religion is your weakness they use it to recruit you into their army!
Image123: You're sending people directly to hell and making members twofold more the children of hell than yourselves. The Pharisees didn't do worse. You glibly think war is the worst thing to happen to a human being? Don't you raise weapons and maim people in defense of your wicked organization and its dangerous doctrines?
FreeIgboho: That’s why they haven’t burnt your KH or what? What are you talking about?
You need to calm down and learn Sir. There's nothing that could make one religionist go burning another religionist's place of worship except POLITICS. So if politicians aren't in support of such a move it's difficult to do what you're thinking in a place where freedom of speech, expression and worship has been declared!
LordReed: The accusations levelled against you have nothing to do with you believing whatever you believe but you trying to spread misinformation or trying to pass falsehood as truth. You are a known fabricator of stories so don't try to use your religious affiliation to cover your misdeeds.
Well i don't know what you're saying but the fact remains that whenever you quote me it's about what the Bible teaches that you are against while this OP only declared her reason for denouncing her faith!
oluwaahmed: First of all, a part of the bible is a compilation of book on the culture & traditions of the jewish people(the old testament), the summerians & mesopotamia. Secondly the bible has many books/gospels that the compilators(the roman Catholic church) refused to add. Books like the Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Judas, The Apcryphon of John, Gospel of James the just(blood brother of Jesus & his closest confidant) gospel of Mary magdalena etc. Even the roman Catholic church good news bible has more chapters than the Kings James bible. Chapter like Bel & the Dragon, Susan, Tobi & Tobiah, maccabees etc. There were Christians of 1st,2nd & 3rd century who did not have this compiled form you now call the bible. What they had were direct teachings of jesus brought by the desciples that came to their town. These Christians (known as Gnostics) believed in the allegorical interpretation of the bible rather than the literal. These Christians possessed gospels of how Jesus explained the many spiritual significance of his teachings & especially the route to resurrection and many more of his teachings that are not in the compiled form. These scriptures lay to rest the concept of trinity, in fact they counter it. These were the people the roman emperor hunted and killed as heretics in order to build a new world order (the roman Catholic church) So do not hold 100% brief that the Bible is the word of God. So long it passed through many translations, edit & copies; and as long as a group of people judged which Gospels should make it up or not then its probably more of a collection of works, teachings which still need to be scrutinised.
My friend the Bible has been tested and trusted as the one and only inspired writings from God!
PoliteActivist: JW are not the true Christians. True Christians don't change the Bible to say "and the word was a god". True Christians have only one god.
Do you know what a correct translation should do? Well Jesus said:
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Holy Bible
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. NIV
And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV
This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. NWTJohn 17:3
Now answer this simple question: Is Jesus Christ the one and only true God?
Maynman: Lies.. energy can not be destroyed. Don’t you think an animal has “life” and “soul” and “body”? When You are about to kill that chicken don’t you see it fighting for his life? Who gave it that instinct?
FreeIgboho: Sooo... why do you think Fundamentalist Muslims haven’t burnt your Kingdom Hall? Because you are very nice people? Not because someone will decimate them if they try it? Or don’t t you know they’re taught that’s the most direct way to heaven, except suicide bombing
It's because those in authority rely on the vote from people in different schools of thought, if those in authority knew very well that the majority are Muslims and their votes alone can get them to power they will not hesitate to destroy all other religious centers!
GardenOfGod: I don't expect you to quote me again bro. Russell the founder of the 'original Jehovah's Witnesses' says you are "a deceiver ready to lead the flock of God in your way." You should be ashamed of yourself.
Clown deceiving himself after quoting me for trouble!
MindHacker9009: The true GOD of the Old Testament is a GOD of War: Numbers 31 1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people." 3 So Moses said to the people, "Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD's vengeance on them. 4 Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel." 5 So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel.
Psalm 144:1 A Psalm of David. Blessed be the LORD my Rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle—
This is commendable! So you know that God's people in ancient times do go to war against the enemies of God.
So my question for you today is this:
Who are God's enemies and where are they stationed today?
Remember that there was no worshiper of God in the places God empowered David to kill people. So do you know of any place where there are no worshipers of God?
Please humble yourself and learn from God's modern day worshipers because we know the purpose of war back then and we can confidently tell you that there's no sense in the wars that's going on in the world today!
And with all these stories, today this group is FULFILLING THE PROPHECY WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE BOOK OF ISAIAH AND MICAH!
It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and shall be raised above the hills; and all the nations shall flow to it, and many peoples shall come, and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He shall judge between the nations,and shall decide for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
So if you're interested in how many mistakes God's people made in their spiritual journey i am interested in the outcome of their journey!
MindHacker9009: Here are some part of the video transcript to help enlighten you on the origin of you belief:
Adventist preacher Russell initiated his 04:28 own Bible study class a small group that 04:31 would ultimately grow to become the 04:34 Watchtower Bible and tract Society 04:37 borrowing directly from the prophetic 04:39 speculations of Nelson barber a New York 04:42 second Adventist Russell claimed that in 04:45 1799 the world had entered the time of 04:49 the end that in 1874 Jesus Christ had 04:53 returned invisibly and that the world 04:56 would come to an end in the year 1914 in 05:02 1879 Russell then 27 years of age was so 05:06 passionately convinced these prophetic 05:08 dates were given by God that he sold his 05:11 prosperous clothing business and struck 05:13 up in a new direction with very little 05:16 education or theological background he 05:19 began printing the magazine Zions 05:21 Watchtower and Herald of Christ's 05:23 presence known today as the watchtower 05:29 this publication which has grown from an 05:32 initial printing of 6000 to well over 05:35 288 million copies annually dictates all 05:38 major doctrines to jehovah's witnesses 05:42 during his lifetime Russell authored a 05:45 vast amount of literature including a 05:47 series of volumes entitled studies in 05:49 the scriptures according to Russell no 05:52 one could understand the Bible without 05:54 these books and reading the Bible alone 05:56 would lead only to spiritual darkness 06:02 one of Russell's teachings was that 06:05 Egypt's Great Pyramid was designed and 06:07 placed there by God as his second 06:10 witness next to the Bible it would be an 06:13 instrument to reveal his great plan of 06:15 the ages for mankind 06:17 this measurement indicates the length of 06:20 the year the weight of the earth 06:22 the distance to the Sun etc Russell 06:26 believed his dates and chronology were 06:28 confirmed by the measurements of the 06:30 interior passageways of the Great 06:32 Pyramid according to Russell the 06:35 passageways verified 1914 as the year 06:39 the world would end finally 1914 came 06:48 and went 06:52 Russell and his followers were not 06:54 raptured from the earth and the end had 06:56 not come john knight who was 15 years 07:00 old at the time remembers what came next 07:04 well in 1914 came of course we had to 07:08 change our views just like we had to 07:10 change views later the date was pushed 07:13 forward to 1915 then 1918 certainly 07:21 Armageddon was just around the corner 07:24 but in 1916 Charles taze Russell died 07:29 sick weary and disappointed a massive 07:34 stone pyramid stands today at his 07:37 gravesite as an embarrassing reminder of 07:40 his false prophecies through hard fisted 07:46 inside political manipulation Joseph 07:49 Franklin Rutherford a Missouri lawyer 07:51 who had given himself the title of judge 07:54 became the second president of the 07:56 Watchtower Bible and tract Society in 07:59 1917 in 1918 judge Rutherford's lecture 08:03 entitled millions now living will never 08:07 die was the beginning of a worldwide 08:09 recruiting effort called the millions 08:12 campaign 08:13 not too surprisingly it proclaimed the 08:17 coming destruction of the existing world 08:19 it would happen soon 08:21 in 1925 based upon the promises have 08:26 both in the Divine Word we must reach 08:28 the positive and indisputable conclusion 08:30 it pains now living well never die in 08:35 1920 the millions book was published in 08:39 it Rutherford claimed the Bible proved 08:41 that in 1925 Abraham Isaac Jacob and 08:46 other faithful men of old were to be 08:48 resurrected to rule henceforth as 08:50 princes on the new paradise earth fully 08:57 convinced the Rutherfords prophecy was 08:59 true many witnesses sold their homes and 09:02 businesses and took to the road living 09:05 in cars and trucks like itinerant 09:07 peddlers they spread the warning as 09:11 19:25 drew closer some farmers even 09:14 refused to plant crops because they 09:16 believed the end was at hand 09:20 finally 1925 Higgs and as in 1914 09:26 nothing happened 09:30 once again the watchtower societies 09:34 prophecy had proven false................
kingyakos: Is there any record that Moses and Elijah died, I sense you are talking about the flesh and I'm talking about the spirit. Who were the two that met Christ at Mt.transfiguration, was John the Baptist not carrying the spirit, when Elijah was ascended into heaven, didn't his spirit came upon his servant Elisha in so much that people saw him and testify that the spirit of Elijah is upon him.
All you need is a free home Bible study with true Christians and you will understand all these things!
First of all, nothing survives humans at death they simply stop existing {Ecclesiastes 3:19-20} so when God's word says the spirit of someone is upon another it simply means that person has taken up the attributes of the other person. Take a breath and ask yourself: If the spirit of Elijah is something unique that can't die and it has entered into Elisha who happens to be Elijah's contemporary, then where goes the spirit of Elisha? Or are you saying Elisha has no spirit in him all the years he has been living before then?
So my friend it simply means Elisha has taken up the job Elijah was doing!
Image123: i have only told you the truth like Jesus Christ did. You are an unbeliever and an hypocrite. You have refused to think outside the Awake box or even read scriptures properly without reverting to copied hallway work. On the other hands, you have called me names that according to Jesus will land you in hell. You of course hate me and other people non JWICKEDNESS. You will rather break a bottle on my head than openly pray with me. You try deceiving me and others by calling "Sir" when you actually think of us less than humans. Jesus never did this.
Just look at yourself, is the highlighted not enough evidence that you're deceiving your own soul?
MindHacker9009: You cannot use your data to watch youtube videos with documentary evidence that will make you knowledgeable and enlightened, but you are always here trying to display your lack of knowledge thinking you know all whereas your knowledge is no different from that of people living in the Stone Age.
People living in the stone age never knew that it's possible to resolve disputes amicably without picking up weapons in support of war {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} so you're missing something really vital here my friend!
LordReed: I quote you to stop you spreading misinformation but you refuse to take correction gracefully. It means you are well aware of what you are doing but are simply retaliating to soothe your bruised ego, again proving you are not a real disciple of Jesus according to your own stipulations.
The highlighted is the difference between you and this OP. You can see how i commended her for her courage to come out and tell the world that she no longer believe in what she can't explain. She stopped believing in what she knew many still believe and she's not accusing anyone because she's aware that it's not a matter of just one man. But you didn't stop at that instead you're trying to accuse people who still hold onto what you formerly believe as well. So you deserve what you got!
kingyakos: And how did they died where in the Bible was their dead recorded. Upon all your research in Torah and other religious book you've read I still see canal thought in your reasoning
I believe in the Bible alone!
The Bible says:
And just as it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this to receive a judgment. Hebrews 9:27
Once people die they've finished their mission on earth unless they are resurrected. So Moses and Elijah (humans) have died and the only thing that could bring them back is the resurrection of the dead! John 5:28-29
MindHacker9009: Then watch this Witnesses video. Transcript 00:32 what is happening here may be unique in 00:34 American history 00:35 the marches you see are not protesting 00:37 unfair labor practices or advocating a 00:40 political cause they are here to 00:42 challenge the conscience of the wealthy 00:44 and powerful watchtower society better 00:46 known to the public as Jehovah's 00:48 Witnesses Jehovah's Witnesses have a 00:53 massive international organization with 00:55 millions of members and hundreds of 00:57 millions of dollars if the human base 01:05 but this deeply committed group is not 01:06 likely to be intimidated they have an 01:09 urgent message to deliver you can't see 01:13 the hurt that we feel but we have we 01:16 have so much pain because so many of us 01:18 are separated from our families because 01:20 of the of the watched our organization's 01:24 rules unfair unkind unloving unchristian 01:27 rules the organization sets itself up in 01:31 the place of Christ and that's something 01:34 that the bible does not teach the reason 01:36 we are here today is to attract 01:37 attention 01:38 to a genuine false prophet a genuine 01:41 false prophet that jesus warned us about 01:44 they have lied to us they have deceived 01:47 us and we have the documented evidence.........
Maynman: So you are comparing a billionaire in naira to a billionaire in dollars? Billions is Billions abi? You are a sheep truly. Naira is the currency of the world capital of poverty, keep deceiving yourself.
MindHacker9009: You are believing in a kingdom taught by a made up character you can about 2000 years ago. At least we can put black magic to the test here in the open and show that it cannot give wealth. But you cannot even put your made up character over 2000 years ago to the test to show you that kingdom he has taught about which you are using to deceiving many. Your way of reasoning is the reason the country is in the state it is in today by deceiving themselves and others that a kingdom is coming where everyone will be OK.
Jesus commanded us to put what he taught to practice and see if it will work out positively. Today Jehovah's Witnesses have successfully achieved what no organization on this planet has ever achieved. YES! We have gathered people in millions throughout the earth and erased military services from their hearts {Isaiah 2:2-4} in preparation for the coming Kingdom of Christ in which all inhabitants of the earth will live in peace with one another. Psalms 46:9 So what other PRACTICAL proof do any right thinking person wants? James 2:18-26
LordReed: You are admitting you are not a real disciple of Jesus going by your own criteria. Didn't Jesus tell you to not do an eye for an eye?
Eye for an eye simply means hurting people in revenge so i never hurt you but when you're trying to insult my intelligence then i will make you look like a fool!
PoliteActivist: Of course! But there are also obvious inconsistencies and inaccuracies in it.
You only need to know the TRUE Christians, we will help you out because our book (Bible) has nothing like inconsistency nor inaccuracy but enemies of the book are many and they're the ones looking for ways to discredit God's word!
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:20pm On Mar 15, 2022
