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Tobedated:
sure thing peace

We are WORSHIPERS of God not worshipers of sexual appetite.
Our own God informed us that most people will worship SEX as their god:

Deaden, therefore, your body members that are on the earth as respects sexual immorality, uncleanness, uncontrolled sexual passion, hurtful desire, and greediness, which is idolatry. Colossians 3:5

So we're not surprised when you choose what you want to believe and worship! Micah 4:5

May you have PEACE!

oteneaaron:
So you are indirectly calling yourself IGNORANT?

Ignorant of worthless things?
YES Sir!

We are the agents of the intelligence. We don't just conclude on what people say or do rather we try to READ THEIR HEARTS! Luke 6:45
If you don't want to believe that Jesus truly lived, it's fine nobody can force you to believe but when you come up against believers then intelligent ones will work out the motive behind your speech!
Thanks!

oteneaaron:
Lol.
Still doesn't prove Jesus truly existed as a real figure in history.

Sorry o!
It's like you're getting something wrong here.
It's about you proving that Jesus is just a myth and i proving that he is not.
So far so good both of us has hold onto our opinion therefore it's not my duty to convince you and you haven't convinced me either!

Tobedated:
By joves oteneaaron has no chill from what i've read he thoroughly made is research while MaxInDHouse believe he already knows what he needed because oteneaaron just kept debunking whatever he brought up as if he already knew he'll bring it up MaxInDHouse came here to disgrace someone but he his being dragged through the mud damn if i were a christian if this doesn't make me lose my faith it will make me question it like from my own point of view MaxInDHouse kept bringing up what i'll call what-if statement i.e if this happened then that must have happened will the oteneaaron patiently explain is point of view like he is just spitting out fact let just stop here before i start to worship the dude given him the praise he fuely deserve bro i salute you
note: i neither a christian nor an athiest i just believe i'm intelligent enough to understand although i hate this kind of debate(debacle?) because it changes nothing at the end of the day non of you will change your believes so what the point

Tobedated:
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Thanks for your contribution Sir!

gsegun43:
We are in the age of enlightenment, don't let anybody fool you again people, search for yourself, use your special ability (ability to think) to it's capacity and you will discover the truth about religion. It is humans that created god and not the other way round, and religion is a tool for control and nothing more. I was a christian but critical thinking made me to start questioning so many things without getting answers. The biggest question for christians is why the Bible (the supposed word of god) so contradict itself, from the old testament to the new testament. Open your eyes na.
Imagine people living up to almost 1000yrs, animals talking, jesus walking on water, feeding thousands of people with five loaves and 2 fishes etc, all these and many more fables in the Bible, come on

gsegun43:
The meaning of life is whatever meaning you give to it. Life can be meaningless actually.
Every individual I'd trying to survive, the strong prey on the weak and it continues like that. Nothing more.

Never mind Sir, people with hope will always see matters from a different perspective from hopeless ones!

oteneaaron:
Read it again.
Does it make any sense?

Well it does to me!

oteneaaron:
This is exactly what an ignorant person would say. I can bet my left balls that you didn't even watch the video.
Yet you jumped into conclusions.

Of course i won't waste my data nah!
Is this not what you've been crying all these while and by the end of the day all you could bring here is arguments of people who never lived in the first century!

oteneaaron:
You should ask yourself the same question.
With what you have stated so far, have you proven that Jesus truly existed and is not a myth?

I already told you what we believe and it's about the aftermath results in whatever thing people say or write.

Jesus Christ of Nazareth walked this planet but since only his loyal followers believe him they penned down what he said and today a global family of peace loving worshipers emerged through the teachings of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Perhaps you don't know what that means to a soldier like myself so let me tell you!

Our PRIMARY duty as soldiers is not to kill people but to make our enemies surrender their weapons and accept dialogue but when that doesn't work then we go for our weapons.

Now this is what it will cost us to settle matters if the enemies refuses to retreat:

What is WAR?
Bombs that cost $ 100,000 Dropping from a plane that costs $ 100,000,000 flying at a cost of $ 40,000 per hour to kill people living with less than $1 a day.

But the teachings of Jesus Christ of Nazareth has done what all that could do without force or bloodshed.
His true followers (Jehovah's Witnesses) have erased the use of weapons not only from the hands of millions around the world but made them to vow never to raise weapons against anyone again!

What is the weapon this group is using?
Well it's just the teachings of that first century Jewish man called Jesus of Nazareth!

Well if you think he's just a myth then the writers of such a myth have done the best job ever in the history of mankind!

oteneaaron:
Is this the proof that Jesus truly existed?
Do you have ANY reference to an actual statement that says the "scribes were working hand in hand with the Jewish religious leaders bury Jesus's case" ?

Come on, you don't believe in the records of eyewitnesses so how else do you expect me to prove what both of us never witnessed nah?

oteneaaron:
Come Again?

You saw what i typed nah!

@ Oteneaaron.
Apart from you who feels you're not convinced about Jesus' historicity what is your conclusion? Or do you think everyone should just agree with you that since you're not convinced that is enough evidence that Jesus never existed?

oteneaaron:
You have told me a million times that you are an agent of the intelligence, an intelligence officer, etc.
How does it prove that you "humiliated" me on that thread?
And how does that prove that Jesus was an actual figure in history?

We don't believe in what we see, what people say, what they write alone but what people are thinking in their minds, that's what it means to be an agent of the intelligence!

oteneaaron:
So is this how you have "humiliated" me?

I've not seen anything in what you call research except arguments from people who lived centuries after Jesus of Nazareth.
Please their opinion doesn't count to me!

oteneaaron:
This is an ignorant statement and shouldn't be coming from a former intelligence officer of your standing.

Come on, producers of anything are trying to make money from what they're producing so when you download their videos they make money. Of course Jesus' case is one that most people will like to trade with nah.
Sorry i'm discussing with someone who doesn't know that bloggers fabricate stories just to create traffic!

oteneaaron:
It is quite obvious that you didn't even read any of the things I have written.
What is the proof that the writers of Gospels were actual eye witnesses?
Why do the Gospels contradict each other?
Was Mark also a disciple of Jesus and thus an eye witness?

They were all eye Witnesses but the event each person saw differs from what they heard from others who saw things Jesus did in the the presence of the writers.

oteneaaron:
What is the proof that the Gospels were written by the same people who they were named after?
Why should the proof that Jesus existed depend only on the four Gospels?
Where is the proof that "scribes" were under the control of the Jewish religious leaders?

According to the laws their God gave them it's on the account of two or three Witnesses that any case should be established {Deuteronomy 17:6;19:15} the scribes were a section of the priestly office and they're working hand in hand with the Jewish religious leaders who wanted to bury Jesus' case.
So if you're not convinced with the account of four different individuals that's just your own personal trait it doesn't affect me.

oteneaaron:
You still haven't proved to me that Jesus was a real figure from history.
Till now apart from the conflicting mentions you made about Josephus, you have still not shown me archeological proof of the existence of Jesus.
Or are you saying archeological evidence is not important?
I think it is high time we allow other people comment on this thread, because it is starting to look like we're running around in circles.

You have your heart and i've got mine so it's not my duty to convince you after both of us have considered what is WRITTEN, you choose to believe what you want and i also choose mine!

oteneaaron:
Well, I have done that.
I am still still waiting for you to show me how you have "humiliated" me on that thread.

Come on, i was expecting something really tough not just arguments from people who never knew what happened in the first century. I told you i'm an agent of the intelligence, we don't dwell on what people say rather we try to find out the motive behind their speeches and actions!

oteneaaron:
For your viewing pleasure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMado9ukLt0

Do you think the producers of these lived in the first century or you just swallowed what they presented to you because you support their opinion?

oteneaaron:
MaxInDHouse pray tell, how did you "humiliate" me on this thread?
I would honestly like to know.

I thought you will present a first century Jewish journalist who penned down events that occured during the first century but never mentioned anything in connection with Jesus of Nazareth but instead you're here presenting the arguments of people who lived centuries later.
So what exactly do you call a research?
Is it the arguments of those people or what you yourself read about events during the first century that omitted Jesus of Nazareth?

oteneaaron:
But it still doesn't prove that Jesus was an actual figure in history.

To an agent of the intelligence like me written documents is never sufficient enough as proof to convince us when talking about past events but aftermath results matters to us!
So if you think you have anything to debunk the existence of Jesus of Nazareth present it today.
Few Jews back then were journalists (scribes) and they were all under the control of the Jewish religious leaders who wanted to bury Jesus' case. So if documented records from four Witnesses who lived during the first century, saw Jesus and walked with him aren't enough for you well that shows the difference between you and i Sir!

oteneaaron:
Why should we depend only on the Gospels when we have seen that they were written at least over 70 years after Jesus was said to have died?

Do you believe that Isaac Newton, Benjamin Franklin, Karl Benz, Wright Brothers once lived on this planet?
Well i would doubt if there's nothing to show for their works.
Today the world need peace but it seems so impossible all because humans are selfish and self-centered.
But on this same planet today millions of people have vowed never to raise weapons against their fellowman again due to the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.

So your question again why should we depend on what those four guys penned down?

Because it's working out positivity Sir!

oteneaaron:
Hahahahahahha
Is this why you insisted that I should create a new thread?
So that you can "humiliate" me?
I admire your over confidence sha.
The thread is there, and the internet does not forget.
Anybody can read it and decide for themselves, if you actually humiliated me.
I still standby my words.
Jesus is not a real figure in history, but is only a myth based on stories of the ancient Egyptian mystery religions.
You can take that to bank and deposit it.

You and i have had issues on other threads so i want this one to be free of those abuses and insults that's why i choose my words carefully here.
Please go ahead and summarize your epistles in just few sentences the same way i just did.

Kí ẹ tó sọ irọ́ di òtítọ́ á pẹ́, kí ẹ tó sọ pé màálù ló ń ṣe ọkọ ewúrẹ ẹ̀ẹ́pìtàn àpaǹpatán!

oteneaaron:
I decided to post this here for posterity sake.
MaxInDHouse pray tell how have you "humiliated" me on this thread??
For the sake of posterity, kindly do a summary the points you have raised so far, to prove that Jesus is a real figure in history, and I will exactly the same thing.
So much has been said on this thread.
Therfore, I think it will be good if we summarized our points so far, so that you can show exactly how you have humiliated me on this thread.
Thank you very much.

In the first century a man was known among the Jews who claims to be their Messiah.
Instead of doing what they expected he was busy doing what he was programmed to do.
Most of his contemporaries including many of his friends deserted him for this reason.
By the end the religious rulers among the Jews decided to do away with him and bury his case but his loyalists were ready to take his teachings everywhere they go even if it means their lives.
2000 years later people still remember this man due to all the things written by his loyal and faithful friends, and today millions across the globe are practicing what he taught so that a global family of peace loving worshipers have emerged due to the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth!

oteneaaron:
This still does not explain why there is no record in history of those events.
These were no normal events.
Those were MAJOR EVENTS.
Dead bodies came out of the grave, the curtain in the holy of holies was split in two, there was an eclipse - How is this normal?
Obviously MILLIONS of people would have seen this, don't you think?
If these things happened, there should have been a record in history, because this was something those people have never seen all their lives.
Makes me remember the story of when Jesus thru a few loaves of bread and dishes, fed over 5000 men that is apart from women and children.
At least we should have had a record in history of this too.
No single record in history exist retelling this story.
Why?

You're reasoning from the perspective while i am reasoning as trained by the intelligence!

Lots of events could easily be buried in the midst of people who are expecting a warrior King but found out that the man that came in place of such a person never acted according to their expectations.

Jesus' life and ministry all happened within Judea where the people were expecting some warrior to deliver them from the Romans.
Everything having to do with him will surely be discarded after all he's just a nonentity to them since he couldn't save them from their enemies.

When we go for operations in places where there is tension we often make thorough investigation otherwise the truth will not come out.
So Jesus' disciples who recorded all these things were doing so at the cost of their lives because 99% of first century Jews were prepared to do away with anyone who say something good about Jesus of Nazareth!

cornelboy:
Why the challenge for Max anyways cos I've seen anything tangible in what you presented.
It's like story story story.

He doesn't know what a challenge really means!
He first made this move but i ignored him since i noticed he doesn't believe in God, i knew it's going to be a time wasting.
But since he raised the issue here again and his so called friends are scared to stand up for their faith i decided to humiliate him along with his friends by demanding we do so on a fresh thread.
Today he could see for himself that it's all about things he believes against what i believe and not a research at all because he's just telling stories of what he chose to believe against the Bible nothing more!

cornelboy:
How were the children of Israel freed from slavery in the hands of Pharaoh? The stories na lies but the messages are true
Interesting!

Please brother Cornelboy stop responding to this guy it's just a two man debate and other interested persons are expected to follow not join in the discussion that's all!

22jumpstreet:
Baptism is not a Jewish ritual.
Hope you know that.
It is from mithraism...educate yourself.

This is the last time i will respond to you on this thread!
If you want a debate please open your own thread and invite me the same way he just did, i already told you that this is not where this debate began but i purposely demanded we do this on a new thread.
So if you want a debate about the historicity of Jesus Christ of Nazareth start your own thread and i'll join you.
Thanks!

oteneaaron:
Very interesting point.

So for a moment, let's agree that he did mention John the Baptist.

Remember that Josephus wrote the Antiquities at least 60 years after Jesus was said to have died.

And the Gospels tell us that the day Jesus died, there was eclipse of the sun, there was an earthquake, the curtain in the holy of holies was ripped in two, and streets were littered with dead people.

These are events that must have been witnessed by millions of people, both Jews and Romans.

If Jesus really did existed and these world shaking events really did occur, why didn't Josephus our beloved contemporary source not even mention any of these in any of his records.

Why is his mention of John the Baptist the only proof that Jesus existed?

Kindly Enlighten me.

What happened during Jesus' death couldn't have been noticed by unbelievers who surely will take it as normal events that could happen.
Darkness that affected Egypt for three days wasn't global it's only within the area God wanted such to occur felt it so the same applies here.
Earthquakes often affect some places where the next city of about 10 kilometers may not even feel it so that's not reason to doubt the account.
Only those hypocrites in the temple knew what happened in the temple and they surely won't link such with the death of Jesus who they so much wanted to erase from history.
It's not the major streets that were littered Sir but paths close to their cemetery.
All of these means nothing to the Jewish religious leaders who were battle prepared to pay any price in other to bury Jesus' case! Matthew 27:25
So it's what matters to a Jew like Flavius Josephus he recorded in his account not events that will generate to findings about the man their religious leaders wanted to bury for good!

22jumpstreet:
Common MaxInDHouse, you are wiser than this..
JK Rowling mentions queen Elizabeth in her books about Harry Potter, those it mean Harry Potter is real ?

Flavius Josephus wasn't writing a fictional story but what actually happened in the first century
so John the baptist who baptized Jesus Christ is a real historical figure!

oteneaaron:
Oh so do you admit that a LIAR and Master of FORGERY quoted Josephus.

Why did we have to wait until 300 years after the original book was written by Josephus?

Why didn't the early Christian writers who were alive when Josephus was alive and had direct access to his book not quote that passage?

It is because he never mentioned those words, in fact Josephus never knew of any Jesus.

So if you agree that Bishop Eusebius was a LIAR and a FRAUD, why should we believe that the quote he made of the TESTIMONIUM FLAVANIUM should be taken with a pinch of salt as actual history?

Did Flavius mention John the baptist?

oteneaaron:
Me Presumptuous?
How?
How many Flavius Josephus's do we have?
Show me the proof from the actual Antiquities of the Jews.
I showed you proof didn't I?

I have quoted directly from the same book written by Flavius Josephus where he mentioned "John the baptist" so prove that he didn't mention John the same man who baptized Jesus Christ!

oteneaaron:
Did you even read the Antiquities of the Jews written Josephus?
If you did you would have known that the passage you refer to is called the Testimonium Flavavium, which was only added 300 years after the original, by a known fraud called the Bishop Eusebius of Caesera.
Or didn't you do any of this background research before mentioning Josephus?
Interesting.
This does not prove that Jesus really did exist.
Prove me wrong.

Presumptuousness is your problem!

Why not first ask me what i meant when i mentioned Flavius Josephus?

Well for everyone following this thread please i'll advise you all to Google "Flavius Josephus on John the baptist" and see the following for yourselves:

In the war between the Jews and the Romans of 66-70, the Jewish general Joseph son of Matthias defended Galilee against the Roman legions. After he had been defeated, he defected to his enemies, and advised the Roman general Vespasian. When the latter became emperor, his adviser started a career as a historian who tried to explain Judaism to the Greeks and Romans. His works are the Jewish War, the Jewish Antiquities, an Autobiography and an apology of Judaism called Against the Greeks (or Against Apion). As Roman citizen, he accepted a new name: Flavius Josephus. He must have died about 100, more than sixty years old.


Machaerus, where John the Baptist was executed.
The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (37-c.100) describes in his Jewish Antiquities the destruction of the army of the Jewish leader Herod Antipas. Many people thought that this was a divine punishment, because Antipas had ordered the execution of a just man, John the Baptist.

Though the Jewish religious leaders fought really hard to bury the history of Jesus {Act 4:18; 5:28} but they committed a grievous blunder!
How?
They forgot that even if they expelled people from their synagogues as punishment for believing in Jesus {John 9:22; 12:42} they can't erase the man who baptized Jesus Christ John the baptist because everyone believed that John was a real prophet! Luke 20:6

Even though Flavius Josephus is not a Christian he wrote about John the baptist the popular Jewish prophet in the first century who also baptized Jesus of Nazareth!

It should be noted that John's assignment was divine because the God of the Jews had promised that a forerunner prophet will come to prepare the minds of the Jewish nation before the arrival of the Christ! Malachi 4:5