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Bnaira77:
Hello people of chirst, happy weekend to you. I want to ask what the will of the Lord is in our lives ? Should we not do anything but only focus on him .

Where majority got it wrong is trying to link the will of God with their selfish cravings.
God's will is not to be taken as something each person has his/her own special calling, rather God's will is for the entire human race:

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16

God wants all of us to enjoy life to the full but for now Satan is the one in control of the world that's why Jesus admonished us to pray for God's Kingdom to come.

This is God's will:

In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and peoples will stream to it. Many nations will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths." The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. He will judge between many peoples and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. Micah 4:1-3

The entire human race should become like one family all taking instructions from God through the study of His word, they should divert all their resources into production of food and information materials, stop military services, stop the production of weapons and never think of war anymore!

Presently Jesus has gathered over 8.7 million people from different races throughout the earth and they've done all these so Jesus is getting prepared to come and destroy the rest of people who has not submitted themselves to God's will! Luke 19:27

May you have PEACE!

Negroid001:
Common sense is not common.

Religion has nothing to do with racism!

Before the whiteman came we also have our own people enslaving their brothers.
So the issue of faith in God has nothing to do with the history of how man has dominated man to his own injury!

With all these back and forth argument you've proved that there's nothing in your head to debunk what JWs believe that Jesus Christ is the Archangel Michael.
So if you have something tangible to say let's know as for this one you just assume we are wrong based on your TRINITY dogma!

sagenaija:
Explanation of Proverbs 8:22
The Bible uses many speech languages in it. In Proverbs 8:22 what we see is the PERSONIFICATION of WISDOM.
The first three verses of the same chapter it is wisdom speaking but here described as a woman. It does not mean it is an actual woman. It's referring to an attribute: in this case an attribute of God.

In Proverbs 8:24&25 the 'birth' of wisdom does not refer to lack of prior existence of wisdom IN God.
Psalm 51:5 David was already in the mother's womb before he was brought forth. The day he was 'brought forth' was not the day he started life as a human being. His biological existence started months prior. In the same way wisdom existed in God before its expression.
In Proverbs 2:6 we again see the use of metaphor to talk about wisdom.

1 Corinthians 1:24 Jesus is also said to be the POWER of God. By calling Jesus the power of God it means he is eternal - Rom.1:20. God's power is divine - 2 Peter 1:3.

A disregard of the figure of speech used in any portion of Scripture can lead to a wrong interpretation and ultimately a wrong understanding of that portion. Some deliberately do so in order to distort Scriptures, but they do that to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16).

Personification is what you call it but others take it literally so to know who got it right, just present a group of people in whose midst the so called WISDOM is working out something BENEFITIAL! Matthew 7:16-18; James 2:18-26

In the absence of that, keep your interpretation while i keep mine!

AntiChristian:
The verse was about the Lord not necessarily Jesus.
To the woman He (GOD) said, “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” Gen 3:16
So the will will submit to the husband who would also rule over her!
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. Cor 13:34
But must be in submission as the law says! Which law? Maybe the Genesis verse above! or that below!
21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. 22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Ephesians 5:21-25
So wives should submit to their husband in everything. How do you define "everything" sir?

First of all the submission is about JESUS!

In everything means her choice of food, dressing, hobby, colour, hairstyle, makeup, friends she mingle with, drink, game and so on.
But when it comes to her income there is a clause, Jesus commanded each Christian to do what we can assist the less privilege in our midst but we shouldn't let our left hand know what the right does:

But you, when making gifts of mercy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing! Matthew 6:3

In this idiomatic expression we learned that Jesus is talking about one body having two hands, of course your literal left hand can't hide anything from your right hand. So what does Jesus' statement here means?

This takes us back to the beginning when God joined Adam and Eve in marriage and said:

Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh. Genesis 2:24

There is no other partnership of two like this to be compared with left and right hands. So if the husband or wife wants to help someone in need and his/her left hand mustn't know, how possible is that if all her income is open to her husband?

That's why it's not mandatory for the woman to reveal all her income to the man vise versa!

The one who finds a good wife has found something good, And he receives Jehovah’s favor! Proverbs 18:22

It's about the HERITAGE of God's people!
God promised Abraham that the whole world will be blessed by means of Abraham's seed.
Rebecca knew that such a seed must be one who is faithful to the core, just like any mother Rebecca knew what her sons are capable of doing. Esau doesn't cherish the heritage while Jacob love to keep it.
This became evident when the boys got to puberty age, Esau picked Canaanite girls {Genesis 26:34-35; 27:46; 28:8} while Jacob insisted on marrying a girl from the lineage of God's people. Genesis 28:6

She knew that the heritage may pass on to the sons of another woman just as Abraham's first son never got the blessing but Isaac her husband who happens to be the second,so she protected her own interest as a woman of faith who wants God's promise to be fulfilled in one of her children since she had just two.

AntiChristian:
You just keep diverting. Jesus is the controller of the church! So the husband is the controller of the wife according to that same verse!

The comparison is clear!

We are saying the same thing.
But since Jesus is not asking me to present my earnings why should i expect my wife to present all her earnings?
If she choose to do say fine but it's not mandatory, that's what i'm saying!

AntiChristian:
What does it mean to you?

Just another verse in a religious book that needs to be substantiated by those that believe (trust) in the book.
I only concentrate on the Bible and what it says, that's why i always speak in defense of what is written in the Bible!

AntiChristian:
You should tell your neighbor that. Not only me

Please try to live by your own principle!

You always say this and i appreciate it:

"Face the message not the messenger"

I don't attack people but the message that's not benefitial, in this case i just want to know the meaning of that Hadith so i'll appreciate if you can expatiate. We are all learning!

AntiChristian:
How does a woman submit herself to her husband as she does to the Lord?
This is a total submission!
I think you should understand this simple statement.

Jesus is our Master, Lord and King.

So for a woman submit herself to Jesus simply means seeing Jesus as her superior, that's how every woman should treat her husband!

The stupid guy has been barred again.
I just don't know why a sane adult can't learn to be liberal!

Greenholics:
Ok well understood...... i have a question not totally related to this thou, but related to the first few back and forth we had. Why do you feel or think anyone or thing outside jw is not capable of being good or doing good?

Well this will require a lengthy response but i will try to be brief.
First of all the world became a place filled with violence, crime and injustice but that's not how the true God wants life to be.
Since God doesn't want to make us live on instinct like the animals the only way forward is to create awareness which will help honest hearted ones to know how God want life to be on this planet. There must be orderliness which will be supervised by a faithful and discreet group of limited number who will oversee the campaign globally. Whoever wants to benefit from this arrangement must prove to be humble otherwise he/she will not be able to cope with the shortcomings of people from different races, cultures and class. That's why God's word says only individuals who are seeking righteousness with meekness will be spared in the day of God's anger! Zephaniah 2:2-3
Throughout the world today the only organized people meeting up with this task are the JWs! So it's not that they are better of than all other people but the quality (Humility) is promoted in their midst so that no arrogant fellow can continue worshiping with them, to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses you must totally humble yourself at least in their midst.
That's why Jesus illustrated what we should expect in the gathering of his earthly subjects, they will all prove to be like little children, no segregation of class, race, riches or educational background, all of them will treat one another equally the same way little children do! Matthew 18:4
There are many whose former lifestyle is nothing to write home about but as long as they are prepared to humble themselves and learn they are welcome in our midst! Luke 23:39-43
When critics see such ones with us they complain thinking they shouldn't be in our midst due to their lifestyles but what critics don't know is that these ones are willing to learn humbly! Luke 7:36-48
Each individual is working on his shortcomings and we have JWs taking note of their progress {1Timothy 4:14-15} as each must prove to be his brother's keeper, there's no room for isolation in our midst. The JWs must know the type of job you do and they have the right to advise you over your lifestyle this are the things billions don't want, they just want to be accepted anyway!

Greenholics:
Nb: i saw the writeup you did regarding treating family members that are none jw, i love the new stand you took, which ia very much opposite of what you made up understand over here, but none the less i love the new approach, family comes first before religious affiliations.

Please don't get me wrong!
Any individual who wants JWs to treat him as a real member of the JW family must be open regarding his lifestyle and ready to take wise counsels, whoever choose to isolate himself or herself will not be treated as one of us but just as a neighbour living with us, nobody will treat him/her like a close confidant since he doesn't want to be treated as such!
But even if you come from China, Australia, Argentina, Mali or Kenya as long as you're open to JWs you will be treated as a member of our global family. So i can only do what is within my capability for my family member who is not a JW but as for a JW i must go extra mile to see that his needs are met because he has chosen to have brothers and sisters throughout the world, therefore if i'm not in the position to solve his problem i must introduce hm to other brothers in the faith so he could be well taken care of by the global family of faith!

MindHacker9000:
God did not promise the Jews in the Old Testament that HE will send them a Messiah to give them the Holy spirit and then wait for the Messiah to ascend into Heaven and not come back for over 2000 years. So the truth is that the disciples were asking the right question according to what GOD had promised them.

Well according to God's promise, the Jewish nation will rule the whole world with the Christ as their King {Daniel 2:44} he will conquer all their enemies for good {Daniel 12:1-3} and provide them everlasting peace! Isaiah 9:6-7

During his reign:
There will be abundance of food throughout the earth! Psalms 72:6
There will be no more sickness! Isaiah 33:24
The blind will regain their sight,the deaf will hear! Isaiah 35:5
All amputee will have their bodies restored, and the dumb will speak! Isaiah 35:6
All evildoers will be gone forever and the humble ones will have peace {Psalms 37:9-11} and they will have to live forever on this planet! Psalms 37:29
God will swallow up death forever {Isaiah 25:8} and there will be no more cry, pain or sorrow again because all evil things will pass away! Isaiah 65:19 compare to Revelations 21:3-5

These are the promises Jesus' disciples were talking about but Jesus is telling them that they have to first gather all obedient people throughout the earth and prepare them for these coming blessings through preaching and teaching globally! Act 1:8; Matthew 24:14; 28:19-20

The task Jesus gave his faithful disciples among the Jews was shortlived when all the Apostles were slaughtered by the Jews themselves. So Jerusalem has lost that privilege {Matthew 23:37} that's why Jesus told his future co-rulers that they will be taken to another destination {John 14:1-4} and that is where faithful Jews who accepted Jesus and their anointed brothers from other nations will stay with Jesus forever {1Thessalonians 4:16-18 compare to Revelations 20:4-6} that's is the New Jerusalem in HEAVEN {Hebrews 12:22} not this earthly Jerusalem where the blood of innocent faithful servants of God were spilled! Luke 11:51 compare to Matthew 23:37-38

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

MindHacker9000:
Jesus did give them an answer before being taken up into Heaven:
Acts 1: 6-7: "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?"
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

The question they were asking is according to their fleshy desires for racism but Jesus is talking about what they must do before God's Kingdom comes. As for understanding Jesus told them it's until the Holy Spirit comes before they could fully understand what Jesus is saying! John 16:12-13 compare to Act 1:8

thatsleepboy1:
G-d bless you sir

Pls sir, how did you do the yellow tag

Same way you did yours!

thatsleepboy1:
You're talking from the JW aspect and you said some truth but they're not related at all.

Well i'm now one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

MindHacker9000:
But Israel was under Roman occupation at this time. This was why His disciples asked Jesus Just before He was taken up into Heaven in Acts 1: 6-9: "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?"
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

If God was not goin gto restore the kingdom of Israel then Jesus who not have told them: He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

The disciples were asking Jesus something but Jesus was answering from another perspective!
According to Jesus' followers, God is going to make Israelites rule the whole world under Jesus. Surely that was what God promised Abraham their forefather, but after so many chances God condemned that faithless nation and appointed another nation that will produce the fruitage God desires!
That's why John the baptist told them:

When he caught sight of many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to the baptism, he said to them: “You offspring of vipers, who has warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Therefore, produce fruit that befits repentance. Do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children for Abraham from these stones. The ax is already lying at the root of the trees. Every tree, then, that does not produce fine fruit is to be cut down and thrown into the fire. Matthew 3:7-10

The Israelites thought God can't forsake them and choose people from other nations so they kept rebelling against God, John is here telling them that God is capable of choosing people from other nations to rule with the Christ if those ones can produce the fruitage of faith {Matthew 8:11} Apostle Paul later revealed that God doesn't count on Israelites anymore as the children of Abraham, rather it's people who have the kind of faith like Abraham that will be counted as Abraham's children! Romans 2:25-29 compare to Matthew 22:1-14

So all these warnings made no positive results from the Israelites that's why Jesus promised his first disciples that they shouldn't worry because their names has been inscribed on the foundation of God's Kingdom {Revelations 21:14} so even though God will select co-rulers with Christ from different races {John 1:11-12} the twelve Apostles are going to be head over all of them! Matthew 19:28

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

They are not abusing anything, they are doing the will of the overall ruler of the world who gave them those seats!

No matter how kindhearted you may be once you join politics you can't escape all these works of the flesh:

Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom. Galatians 5:19-21

If you choose to be different Satan the overall ruler {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4} who wants his children to make life miserable for their fellowman will not allow you to stay on the seat, because he is the one appointing rulers over all the kingdoms of the earth! Luke 4:5-7

So don't think worldly politicians don't know what is right but they can't do it because the spirit directing the affairs of the earth presently is a wicked person! 1John 5:19

That's why Jesus refused to rule while Satan is still in charge! John 6:15

May you have PEACE!

AntiChristian:
We are not comparing Jesus and his disciples here. The comparison exist between two group of entities viz:

1. Husband and wife
2. Wife and the Lord

Now read again sir to get the gist!
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, Ephesians 5:22-23

As a wife submits to the Lord so also she should submit to her husband!

You and i are saying the same thing here!

The man or woman is not required to submit his/her income to Jesus so his/her submission is only for control not his/her income.

AntiChristian:
So why didn't you tell your brother who started the thread this or this is only applicable to me?

Irrespective of what you claim to be you're all my neighbours, none of you is my brother, one can only be my brother in the faith if he is one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
So i'm neutral here!

AntiChristian:
see people wey no sabi plain English! Even grandpa JW join them youth dey do like novice!

The Hadith started with "If", so you should know better!

And mind you only Humans and Jinns do sin, Angels don't commit sin!

And there's no one born of a woman who is free from sin cos sin comes with free will!

What the God of Qur'an says totally contradicts what the God of the Bible said.
According to the Bible there's nothing called "jins" God only created angels and humans as intelligent beings so comparing what the two Gods said will continue to lead to endless arguments.

Smoking is a dirty habit and since a believer must be clean both body and soul then it will become a sin on his part if he's engaged in dirty habits! 1Corinthians 6:19

AntiChristian:
It's like she's right!

Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church,
Ephesians 5:22-23

[b]If the wife submits to the husband as she submits to the Lord then she will give him everything to control even her life!

She's wrong pátápátá!

None of Jesus' disciples surrendered their earnings to Jesus, what they gave Jesus is the control over their life not their income.
Each person manages their income without bringing their money to Jesus. That's why Jesus told them that their will always be poor ones among them, so out of what each of them have they can decide what to do for the poor ones in their midst! Mark 14:7
Had it been Jesus is in charge of their earnings that will not be the case!

MindHacker9000:
The prophecy was not fulfilled before the time of Jesus.
Just before Jesus was taken up into Heaven in Acts 1: 6-9, His Apostles still asked Jesus: Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?

Acts 1: 6-9
6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.
8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

You're quoting something totally different from what we were talking about!

The Israelites were taken to exile for 70 years, they later returned because God's promise of a Messiah has not been fulfilled. It was after the life and ministry of Jesus Christ that Romans later came and destroyed Jerusalem the second time, ever since then they were scattered throughout the earth.
Today the twelve tribes of Israel has been scattered throughout the world unlike before when they were together as two nations:

During the time Jesus walked the earth there were 10 tribes in the north known as the "Samaritans" and 2 tribes in the south known as Jews, Jesus' disciples were thinking Jesus will begin ruling the earth immediately after his resurrection but he made them understand that they have to go and preach about God's Kingdom to all the nations of the earth as a warning before he begin his rule on earth. Matthew 24:14

So there's no way the scattered tribes can find themselves again after the CURSE they got by killing God's only begotten Son!

MindHacker9000:
How is this a lie, has the nation of Israel not been restored?
Jeremiah 30:1-3
1 This is the word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord: 2 “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you. 3 The days are coming,’ declares the Lord, ‘when I will bring my people Israel and Judah back from captivity and restore them to the land I gave their ancestors to possess,’ says the Lord.”

You're quoting the prophecy that fulfilled before Jesus' time Sir. Jeremiah was talking about the two kingdom of Israel that was taken into exile by Babylonians during the 6th century before Jesus.
I'm talking about what God said after the nation rejected Jesus as the Messiah!

ThothHermes:
Please get out

OK, that's the name of the Son of your God!

Is she practicing what she's preaching?

DonCrack:
"Your Money Should Be Submitted To Your Husband Before You Spend A Dime" - Clergywoman (video)


https://hgsmediaplus.com/2021/12/10/your-money-should-be-submitted-to-your-husband-before-you-spend-a-dime-out-of-it-clergywoman-video/

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Mynd44
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Chei! See the woman wey i for marry torí Ọlọ́run!
All the tithes and offerings will first pass through my table before she touch a dime!

sonmvayina:
I am igbo from delta state...

I don't do religion.

I am a spiritual being just walking a human path.

When i say "you're insane" you'll start arguing blindly. Please what has the above post got to do with the below question?

advocatejare:
Muslim apologist lying not to be Muslim.

Tell what the hadith mean

If you know what the hadith means go ahead and speak but if not get the hell out of there!

AntiChristian:
Even among you Christians you still can't agree on who God is and who Jesus is.

You're the one giving yourself a headache, you can see that all these are different religions claiming they belong to the same religion. So if you're truly intelligent you will know that each sect has it's own God as their tenets contradicts one another.

AntiChristian:
Will you give each Christian this same advice?

Well for your information, whoever is not one of Jehovah's Witnesses is not a worshiper of our own God. So they're all running off the line of truth. Jesus said all his followers must have the same line of thought {John 17:22} so instead of jubilating over the contradictions in their midst why not figure out which of all these groups is practicing what Jesus taught?

AntiChristian:
If so why do you go about knocking people's door and invading their privacy?

Let's leave religion aside for now and use our God's given brains as you always say.
What sense is in a religion when you're not speaking with your neighbour one on one to have an interchange of thoughts?
Please let's reason together now, which makes sense most, is it to stay in your mosque or church then throwing tantrums at people who have their own religions through your megaphones or visiting your neighbour in his home to reason one on one?
For your information, the idea of visiting our neighbours in their homes has led to lasting friendship with our neighbours even when they're not buying our thoughts. But mocking, insulting, abusing and cursing your neighbours through the megaphone, asserting that your god will roast them alive forever inside burning furnace without having a one on one discussion with them is the most stupid idea any sane human can have!

Deborah98:
But without it we won't work. Now civil servants don't know their fate now as they've been mandated to take it or kiss their jobs goodbye. The whole thing is tiring and at same time confusing

There's nothing bad in obeying the authorities as they're taking control of the affairs of the earth {Romans 13:1-4} so according to God's word followers of Christ must always obey them, it's only when they make demands that directly contradict Jesus' order that we must choose between them and Jesus.

For instance, Jesus commanded us to love our neighbours as ourselves {Mark 12:31} but then you will see individuals claiming Christians taking up arms against innocent people simply because their rulers declared war on such people who supposed to be our neighbours! Many do hide under the opinion that such neighbours are in support of their enemies or even enemies trying to kill them, yet Jesus' clear command is that we must love and pray for the good of our enemies! Matthew 5:43-48
Jesus commanded his own disciples not to take sides during political struggle which is the major weapon Satan is using to infuse hatred in people's hearts against their fellowman {John 17:14} yet you will see individuals claiming Christians actively participating in politics then expecting to continue as God's children!
Now this is about a global pandemic that's been killing people throughout the world and the authorities have come up with a vaccine to combat the spread, formally most religionists would outrightly condemn Jehovah's Witnesses for our stand against blood transfusion which we can point out in the Bible. There is no guarantee that the person receiving blood will live rather it was just an experiment yet most people will gladly take it despite what JWs say and even think of forcing blood transfusion on JWs simply because it's accepted by the authorities. But this time around it's the same authorities that have come up with a vaccine just like other vaccines that we've known in the past, and everyone is saying gibberish when they can't quote or cite anything against it in the Bible!
Well 90% of JWs has been vaccinated because if you're not you will not be allowed to congregate with us when we resume our meetings at the Kingdom Halls.
We are less concerned about the jobs the authorities can offer after all our GB has been warning us not to invest our time on university degrees which only afford people with job opportunities rather most of us depends on trade and handiworks. But since it's authorities that's issuing the orders we must comply as long as it doesn't violate what our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus commanded!