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NNTR:
Though you saw how I already procured Hebrews 4:12, and shared it as evidence, thank you, all the same, for further cementing my point for me with your contribution
It is an incontrovertible fact that there is a distinction between the soul and the spirit

SOUL means the character while SPIRIT means the energy (breath of life) actuating the BODY.

So when the energy (SPIRIT/breath of life) leaves the body, that power returns to God who gave it {Ecclesiastes 12:7 compare to Genesis 2:7} then the BODY becomes lifeless but the SOUL (character) is in God's memory {Revelations 20:15} if he/she proves to be faithful. But if it's a wicked SOUL (character) God will not remember such a person {Psalms 9:17} so it's like such a person died both BODY and SOUL! Matthew 10:28

NNTR:
Wrong on all fronts

Absolutely biblically correct

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

For the word of God is living and active and full of power [making it operative, energizing, and effective].
It is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating as far as the division of the soul and spirit [the completeness of a person],
and of both joints and marrow [the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and judging the very thoughts and intentions of the heart.

In your eyes there is none, but how far from the truth you are.

I doubt you've ever heard or read anything like, the spirit that sins it shall die, but I am sure you certainly have heard it correctly said that 'The soul who sins is the one who will die'

Your spirit man is as just like the Holy Spirit, you are positively influenced by it when it connects to the Holy Spirit frequency to link to the God channel transmission.

You are negatively influenced by your carnal man otherwise known as flesh when it doesnt hook up with your spirit so to connect to the Holy Spirit frequency that links to the God channel transmission.

Your soul, serves as a gateway receptor, or if you like, serves as an opening between your your spirt man and body, where the body, is also known as carnality, flesh or carnal man.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

All these nah STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!

God's word says:

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the SOUL that sinneth, IT SHALL DIE. Ezekiel 18:4 KJV

God's word emphatically said SOUL will die, please ask the Pastors to quote or cite a verse that says "SPIRIT will die" o!

Yippeedaniel:
Australia branch has over 1006 report cases of child abuse cases

When you people keep talking about rumours from far away lands using such rumours to accuse God's people i just laugh at your stupidity because Australia is another country in fact another continent that most of you will never reach in your lifetime. So instead of carrying such far away stories up and down why not work on the one that's happening right before your nose here in Nigeria?
Below is a Nigerian name, pastor of a Nigerian Church in fact Deeperlife, address and location is boldly written so that nobody can doubt the story. Even the Pastor's picture is added and the police station handling the case is not left out.
Abeg leave matter for Matthias because we are not in Australia to know exactly what happened all you heard is stories that you can't verify either the culprit, victim, location or prosecuting counsel.
For your information, Jesus was also accused of many offences today some are even saying he is gay while others are saying he was sleeping with Mary Magdalene. So instead of carrying cases that you can't get all the facts why not try the one happening right here in Nigeria, Ogun state at Otta here?

Supers:
Afolabi Oluwole Jacob, a pastor with the Deeper Life Bible Church, has been arraigned in court.
He was docked before Magistrate O. O. Sam-Obaleye of Court four, Otta, by the Legal Department of the Ogun State Police Command on a one-count charge of defilement of a four-year-old pupil.

It is reported that the suspect is the proprietor of the victim’s school.

According to Crime Puzzle, the victim had arrived home from school on November 4, 2021, when her mother noticed a strange development of blood stains in her panties and curiously demanded to know what caused it.

The victim narrated how the suspect played with her and used his finger to deflower her in school. The distraught mother on hearing this, reported to the police and the suspect was arrested.

During interrogation, several methods were used by the police to extract facts from the minor, amongst which was a repeated presentation of photographs and physical parades of male adults before her who, at every point, pointed at the accused as responsible for the unholy act.

Follow link below to read Full Gist

https://supers.ng/deeper-life-pastor-allegedly-defiles-4-year-old-student/

tctrills:
I just came across this verse tonight.
Matthew 8.11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
If there is no resurrection for the wicked, who are those that would be cast into outer darkness. The dead do not weep or gnash their teeth.

When you hear people talk about Jehovah's Witnesses and our beliefs so much, what exactly do you think makes those people keep thinking about us as if there's no other group claiming Christians on this earth with unique teachings?

Well i have decided to let you be since you said it's not important to you whether you find a group whose teachings is WORKING out what Jesus said, but for the reason that you still came back to me i'll oblige to your question.

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are the symbol of God's blessings to the Israelites so any time someone mention their names an Israelite knows that such a person is talking about the blessings God has in stock for faithful people.

God's Kingdom blessings will be on this earth so Abraham, Isaac and Jacob certainly are expected to be part of the beneficiaries. But when Jesus talks about sitting down with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in God's Kingdom he is not talking about those three in person rather he's referring to the opportunity their descendants will have in being co-rulers in God's Kingdom. God told Abraham that by means of him all the nations of the earth will be blessed {Genesis 12:3} Abraham had 8 sons but God passed the blessings to Isaac, Isaac also had 2 sons, the first born Esau supposed to inherit that blessing but because he doesn't cherish the heritage Jacob his twin brother took it from him. That's how the Israelites {Jacob's descendants} became God's blessed people. God promised that during the endtime anyone who wants to be blessed throughout the earth must connect Him through the lineage of Jacob! Zechariah 8:23

But the Jews (Jesus' own race) rejected Jesus as the promised seed {Genesis 3:15} that's coming to save the world, that's why God will select people from different races to complete the number of co-rulers that's going to reign with Christ {John 1:11-12} so when this is done there will be jealousy on the part of Jews who rejected Jesus' credentials as their promised Messiah and they will be gnashing their teeth at the arrangement, then God will reject their nation and they will weep when their suffering begin but nobody will rescue them.
So Jesus is telling them here that the blessings God promised them as bonafide heirs to the throne will be given to people from other nations {Matthew 22:1-13} while they will die and be forgotten in their graves that is where their gnashing of teeth and hypocritical weeping after their rebellion will land them! Matthew 8:11-12

All these are sacred secrets of God's Kingdom so only those who first accept the elementary teachings of the truth can grasp all these things. Whoever feels he don't need the elementary teachings will be confused when he gets to this solid spiritual food. That's why we are imploring people to learn the first things they need to know about God's kingdom instead of wrapping everything up thinking they're going to heaven with Jesus.

May you have PEACE!

DappaD:
Exactly!

The only time opposers can have a solid argument is if after Jehovah’s Witnesses strongly abhor the unclean practice of smoking (2Corinthians 7:1), they then become lenient and possibly overlook when someone is caught practicing that sin. That would be outright hypocrisy.

Which never happens.

So if wrongdoers are disciplined for disobeying God’s laws worthy of disfellowshipping, then how is it that the JW organization are the problem here when they are basically acting in harmony with God’s word to remove the wicked and unclean person from their midst ? 1Corinthians 5:6, 13

Aj'ègbodò ni wọ́n, tó ń w'ẹ́ni k'únra!

Yippeedaniel:
Oops. I had one 3 yrs ago. N me n the other broke up 2 months ago. I used to goto memorial with her.

You've been scammed big time!
She was using you to satisfy her sexual desires while you are thinking you're taking your chances, both of you were simply pass times with each other.
A real JW will never allow you touch her once you're not a JW you're totally empty until you're loaded with our teaching (though you call it brainwashing) then you're allowed to go for another girl not even the one you saw at first.
So she was only enjoying your abuna while pretending to be a JW just as a girl pretending to be a Deeperlife born again is passing time with a tout in the garage.

DappaD:
Hmm. There is more than one side to a story shaa.
I know you’re aware there are JW families where not all the children eventually make the truth theirs and get baptized ?

Some accompany their parents to KH only to be bench warmers and when they leave home, they do what is truly in their heart. So does having affiliations with Witnesses mean one is truly a JW ?

The Chelsea CDM by the name of Chalobah evidently has family links to Witnesses, yet that doesn’t make him one. You dig ?

That can be a side to the story.

The other side to the story is that the person might even be baptized but deliberately flouting Jehovah’s commands by even dating an unbeliever in the first place. How is that person exemplary ? Can the person be viewed as a real JW ? 2Thessalonians 3:14

And if it so happened the person was a baptized Witness and the issue of abortion became known in the neighborhood, will the elders conceal his sin ? Or will not the elders in the person’s congregation discipline him and disfellowship him considering the severity of the sin ? 1Corinthians 5:11; Exodus 21:22
So how is the person still viewed as a JW after all that ?


The third side to the story is there might even be no story at all. The individual you quoted has a long record of demonstrating his hatred for JWs.
Imagine him arguing that God’s name isn’t Jehovah simply because he wants to discredit the Witnesses. So it might be another cooked up story let’s tread carefully so our enemies do not take us for fools. Exodus 23:1, Proverbs 14:15

God bless my first Bible study conductor!

He made me understand that only those living by the standard of the Organization are real JWs while the rest are still contemplating whether to continue with us or waiting for any opportunity to say "goodbye" to the organization.
So whenever anybody comes up with stories i will ask sensitive questions that will silence the false storyteller.
Last Saturday i attended a wedding with a friend (my Bible student) he told me he'll like to smoke a cigarette i escorted him because he's my guest at the party. I never knew that Jehovah is about to use that opportunity for me to bear another witness.
On getting to the place where he wants to smoke his cigarettes he said "Now i know that it's wrong for JWs to smoke because i was watching everyone at the party, i noticed different types of beer, wine and alcoholic drinks but no cigarettes. Now i know why my friend (JW) always hide whenever we want to smoke. So he's not a real JW"

Sleekfingers:
There is nothing like heaven or hell.......

Of course there is heaven (the spiritual realm) and hell (grave) but while heaven is filled with active living beings hell on the other hand has no living beings their!

Ayo081:
But God gave them the option of converting their fruits/sacrifices to money

YES and He (God) told them to buy whatever their heart desire if Jerusalem is far from their destination, and when they get to Jerusalem it's what they buy with the money they're to give the Levites not the money! Deuteronomy 14:22-26

Yippeedaniel:
My two ex gf were jw. Regular pioneer. One day I'll create a thread about the experience. They're still active. I saw last month close to my new place and she was like her bf stays around

Funny atheist!
You had two girlfriends who claims to be JWs so it means they're truly JWs shey?
JWs aren't going from house to house since last year and you say "they're still active"
Abeg actively sharing their bodies or preaching as Jehovah's Witnesses?

Ayo081:
What would you also say about the harvests.
Harvest of fruits, feast and co?

All those things are part of the Old Covenant setting that has nothing to do with the New Covenant.
The laws God gave Israel was meant for a nation that's practicing theocracy, everything is determined by the standard of their God and King, but after that nation rejected Jesus Christ everything changed completely because there is no nation that can fully practice that system of government each Christian must practice his faith in relation to the laws of his land unless when the rulers wants us to go against pure worship that we will tell them "NO"
As long as they're not depriving us of pure worship we mustn't violate their orders.

Harvesting and first fruits were laws having to do with Jewish national tradition as majority of the people were farmers, fishermen and shepherds, it has nothing to do with faith in God because a person whose job has nothing to do with harvesting or first fruit will not be able to worship God acceptably if everyone must follow that arrangement.

Frenzy01:
I'm at a crossroad. I feel like I should start taking responsibilities by paying my tithes from the little I have now but the problem is I'm not a church type. It's been over 2 years that I last went to a church cos of some personal reasons and convictions. Now, how do I take care of my responsibilities as a Christian(I still see myself as a Christian, just that some of the things been done in the church today doesn't sit well with me).
How do I pay my tithe without going to church

Tithes in the Old Covenant was material things paid directly to the Levites working in the Temple by people coming to worship in the Temple. So if you have no business with the Temple your possession is useless to the true God.
Today Christians are paying their tithes through the time they share in the preaching and teaching of God's word. Jesus' tithes can't be mocked so you can't pay Jesus off with your hopeless money rather you must join his group spending time in the preaching and teaching work Jesus commissioned, otherwise Jesus doesn't give a damn about you or your money! Luke 18:18-23

tctrills:
I can never hurt someone because of his beliefs. If God wants us all to believe the say thing he would do it at the press of a button.

I'll take you for your word!

tctrills:
lol

Good to know that you laughed it off at last because many instead of hearing it and taking it as one of those beliefs of other religions take it upon themselves to start hunting us for sharing our beliefs.
It's not by force, you present what you believe and walk away if your audience say "NO" there is no wahala!

Barristter07:
This is really bad ,if true.

When critics come with false stories and rumors i laugh at them again and again.
If someone is commiting fornication does that sound like a real JW?
Even an herbalist will tell you that such a person is not a real JW because they know what real JWs do.
The person in question is not a JW but related to JWs who have control over him so his insistence on marrying a JW is not due to his faith but out of fear for his relatives.

tctrills:
I prefer a group that would teach the scripture and not personal doctrine. Not a group that teaches that angels come around to sleep with girls and other funny non bible based teaches.
when you speak about groups that preac, Do you preach more than the Catholic that converted Billions. That's the thing with most of you churches, you pick out a verse and hold on to it living the rest of the bible. Look Christianity is not about political opinion. The bible teaches about the judgment day. It never says that anyone would go to hell for joining pdp.

Thanks for your time!

tctrills:
Before you go, I would give you some scripture to clear your doubts

Luke 13.28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Revelations 20 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Can it be clearer than this, all would be resurrected to face a judgment. And the wicked would be cast into the fire.

Revelations 6.9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

This reveals what happens to the righteous when they die. They rest in the Lord.

It's OK my friend, i wish you find a group of people practicing what you believe is pure worship.
I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses as your friend has told you and we hold onto the teaching that the dead have nothing to do with the living.
Jesus spoke in parables that's why most of the things he was saying was misunderstood even by many of his disciples so that majority of them stopped following him! John 6:61-66
He is the one who revealed the Bible book of Revelation to John not literally but in symbolic terms {Revelations 1:1} so if you want to know the group of people that got Jesus' words correctly just look for a group of worshipers who have the same line of thought globally {John 17:20-23} preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood {Matthew 28:19-20} are known as a group in whose gathering there is Love {John 13:34-35} then in every tribe and nation of the earth they will be hated because they won't participate in politics! John 15:19

That's the FRUIT Jesus talked about @ Matthew 7:16-18

Thanks for your time, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

tctrills:
Sorry, You said angels came to have sex with humans? Genesis 6.1-2 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose.
I really don't know what bible you are reading.
It says the sons of God not angels. Please you need to tell me if you have a different bible from the rest of us. The bible said sons of God, are you not a son of God?
The Bible never taught that angels come around to have sex with women. Are angels driven with male hormones and organs? And if so, why have angels stopped sleeping with women? Or were they castrated after the flood? I keep saying this let's not add personal narations to bible truths

After God declared that humans should continue to multiply and fill the earth {Genesis 1:28} then what do you think is the point of emphasis when the Bible said:

Sons of God chose daughters of men and began taking them as wives? Genesis 6:1-2

Well the sons of God according to the Bible are not natural humans but spirit creatures {Job 38:7} they are the ones who assemble before God in the spirit realms when Satan (a rebellious angel) proceeded to come into their midst! Job 1:6

It was the unnatural sexual reproduction that led to the birth of unnatural babies who kept growing bigger and bigger until they became giants and they were wicked {Genesis 6:4} it was this giants that were causing havoc up and down making life unbearable for normal humans and their attitude led many into bad behaviors back then.
That's why God declared that he will wipe them out with all other people that joined in doing what is bad. Noah was chosen because he was different {Genesis 6:9} that's why God revealed to him what He is about to do.

After the global deluge only Noah and his family survived but during the flood all the angels with materialized human bodies dropped their bodies and returned to heaven but God did not allow them back into the fold of his loyal spirit sons, they returned to the earth and became demons or fallen angels. They're the ones behind Spiritism throughout the world till today!

All these are sacred secrets my friend. They still have sex with humans today but they only do so to promote the lie their leader told in the beginning. How? They put on materialised bodies of dead people then go to somewhere far and start sleeping with a woman until someone who recognizes the body they're putting on notice them, then they disappears.
Their motive is to promote the idea that the dead are still living somewhere!

tctrills:
To answer your last question, the bible says all have sin. If you say you have no sin, you are a lier.
Then to your first comment, you are clearly adding your personal teachings and doctrines to the bible. It's clear that you have other beliefs outside of the teachings of Christ in the bible. I have no problem with that but you need to state your source

When a real Christian is talking we speak with authority because we will not leave you without clarification on what the scriptures is saying. Matthew 7:28-29

Since you've agreed that we're all sinners through one man (Adam){Romans 5:12} so it means death will continue to rule in the midst of mankind as king {Romans 5:17} then this clearly shows that we will all be buried (temporarily) until the day of resurrection.
But as for the people that chose to be wicked (deliberately) this simply means they have no regards for God or conscience, therefore God will not raise them back to life during resurrection.
Remember the Bible says Christ will rule for 1,000 years.
Well this means all what Jesus taught will be our guide throughout the earth for 1,000 years , during that time Satan and his demons will be locked up in a state of inactivity where they will not be able to deceive or distract anyone from pure worship! Revelations 20:1-3
So that is what the Bible refer to as the judgment day, it's a period of 1,000 years {2Peter 3:8} in every corner of the earth people will be discussing about what Jesus taught and how to apply it in our lives. Of course some humans will ignore and start their activities all over again, pursuing fleshly desires but because there is no sickness or anybody forcing anyone to obey the global rule such disobedient ones will die after a hundred years of their survival! Isaiah 65:20

So if it's after Christ's 1,000 year reign and destruction of Satan that everlasting life will be declared upon the survivors, then for what purpose do you think people who deliberately chose to be wicked in their past life should be resurrected?

My friend, we are not talking about quoting and arguing blindly but substantiating with reference to hidden secrets in God's word.

But if you're still doubting whether the wicked people who deliberately chose to practice evil will be resurrected, please we don't need to continue arguing fruitlessly. Each person is entitled to his own opinion.

Thanks for your time, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Kayberg:
Deuteronomy 14 (KJV)
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²² Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
²³ And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
²⁴ And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
²⁵ Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
²⁶ And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
²⁷ And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
²⁸ At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
²⁹ And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Which of the above is not clear enough?
Read your Bible and know what the Bible is saying. Stop taking other people's word for it.

The highlighted says Levites were not included during the time Moses was sharing the inheritance, that's why God told the remaining tribes to pay them tithes as permanent workers in the Tabernacle.
Today we are commanded to work for our food so there's no Levites in Christianity!

My classmate in school was abandoned by his girlfriend because he never demand sex from her!
Most women in higher positions have sugar boys and many of our ladies do commit pedophilia with underage. Don't forget Potiphar's wife and Joseph!
Do you know Emmanuel Macron of France?
Well his wife (the first lady of France today) got him through pedophilia.
So stop deluding yourself with false reasoning because sexual immorality knows no bound, it cut across genders, class, tribes, religion and what have you!

tctrills:
I read different verses.. again, let's not pretend to be scholars in Hebrew or ancient Jewish history or pretend to understand Hebrew more than those who translated the bible.
Because we can quote different sources for Jewish history.
The Bible clearly stated that the unjust would resurrect.
Acts 24.15 I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked

That's where the understanding is!

The unjust are people who don't know God's standard but lived by what their conscience tolerate. For instance people do commit adultery and fornication in times past but don't know about the God of Israel who abhors such things. People do worship idols in times past but don't know it's wrong yet they lived by conscience. So from God's standpoint they are unrighteous but since they allow their conscience to guide them then God will give them a second chance to know Him.
The righteous are people who knew God's standard and lived by it like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses and many others that's why Paul listed their names for us to know those God declared righteous not because they knew Jesus Christ but due to their loyalty towards God's standard that they knew during their lifetime! Hebrews 11:4-32

As for all those destroyed by God Himself they passed directly to everlasting death!

So only the good are awaiting resurrection in God's memory no evildoer will be remembered. I keep quoting this verse but it's like you just chose to ignore it:

The wicked will retreat toward the Grave, All the nations who forget God. NWT

The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. KJV

The wicked go down to the realm of the dead, all the nations that forget God. NIV

Psalms 9:17

Can you explain what God's word is saying here? We all know that all sinners will die due to Adamic sin {Romans 5:12} and ever since everyone both good and evil are dying, and they are still in their graves until now.
So what is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of this particular verse?

tctrills:
First zero contradiction.
God was right.. because of Adam and Eve, everyone would die.
The statement in Genesis only talks about death and not resurrection. So zero contradiction.
2. You don't even need the bible to teach you that dead people are not conscious. We all know that. So you are right in saying that. But we now learn from Peter that the spirits of the dead are very conscious. Again, no controversies.
I find no problem In accepting all the truths in the bible. One does not have to be false for the other to be truth.
If like you say, these spirits have no part in God's plan, Jesup Christ wouldn't have preached to them

If something survives Adam after his physical death then who lied, Satan or God?

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die ~ GOD
Genesis 2:17

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die ~ SATAN
Genesis 3:4

If there is anything that survives the dead then it's wrong saying they are unconscious {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} because they will know what is happening nah!

The topic of your thread has been answered at Ecclesiastes 3:18-20:

I also said in my heart about the sons of men that the true God will test them and show them that they are like animals, for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust

God's word says both human and animals have the same spirit so whatever happens to the spirit of a fly at death surely is the same with the spirit of Adam. So your question has been answered, what we're doing now is to erase the thoughts that dead people are conscious somewhere!

When talking about the place called HellFire many have used the lies to rob people of their hard earned money due to fear of the unknown:

obembet:
Lady Evangelist who claimed she went to hell has confess that it was total lie and ask for forgiveness from church.

The prophetess has previously said she saw Jesus Christ, father Abraham and many Angel has told the church that it was total lie and appeal to church for forgiveness.
Here the the video of her confession.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1lNQGOL31k
Source: Dramatic_people
Edited, Obembet

But if you allow the truth of God's word you'll be set free completely from unwarranted fear of the dead who can't do anything {John 8:32} because according to God's word they don't even know anything nor remember anyone again! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

tctrills:
Pls explain the contradiction with Genesis. I see zero contradiction. And yes the dead can mean so many things but in this case, it clearly talks about those physically dead.. They live as God in spirit.
Also remember this is a continuation of 1peter3 where it clearly teaches the very same principle.
Like I always say no need to add our personal doctrine to the gospel of Christ.

The contradictions:

But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die. Genesis 2:17


Now the serpent was the most cautious of all the wild animals of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it said to the woman: “Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden?” At this the woman said to the serpent: "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden. But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’”
At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die" Genesis 3:1-4

Note what Satan said: if they disobey God they will not die!

Whereas life is meant for the obedient while death is meant for the rebellious.
So if we now conclude that both the obedient and rebellious will continue to exist then whose utterance are we echoing, God's or Satan's?

As for Peter he was talking about rebellious angels who were disobedient to God by living their respective positions to come and have sex with female humans {Genesis 6:1-2} these are spirit beings who were disengaged so that they no longer know anything about God's plan, that's why the Bible says they are in dense darkness! Jude 1:6 compare to 1Peter 3:19-20; 2Peter 2:4

The literally dead people are conscious of nothing at all! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

tctrills:
this is the best post I am ever getting from you and I agree with it 100%. If only you would apply what you teach.

Acts24. 15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

John5.28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

1cor15.22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

You need to compare different versions of the Bible so as to get the accurate knowledge of what you're reading!

For instance let me quote three different versions of John 5:28.

Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice. NIV


Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, KJV

Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice. NWT

The word GRAVE is taken as MEMORIAL-TOMB among the Jews. WHY? Because they believe that wicked people shouldn't be given a befitting burial since they will be forgotten during the resurrection.

So what is the appropriate English word to be used for that text? Is it grave or memorial tomb knowing fully well that God's word says WICKED will be abandoned in their graves? Psalms 9:17 compare to 1Kings 13:2; 2Kings 23:16

tctrills:
Wait take it easy.. 1peter 3 is very clear let's not twist the word of God. It stated clearly he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

1peter4.6For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”
Like I always say don't add your personal opinion to the bible.. if the bible says Christmas preached, to the spirits, you don't need to change it.

The dead at 1Peter 4:6 is not talking about those who are in their graves, otherwise that will totally contradict what God said the beginning about LIFE and DEATH {Genesis 2:17 compare to Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} the dead in that context refers to people who don't know God. Listen to Jesus here:

When Jesus saw a crowd around him, he gave the command to depart for the other side. And a scribe came up and said to him: “Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go.” But Jesus said to him: “Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head.” Then another of the disciples said to him: “Lord, permit me first to go and bury my father.” Jesus said to him: “Keep following me, and let the dead bury their dead.” Matthew 8:18-22

So according to Jesus only those who accepts his teachings and ready to live by it are living because even if they die naturally Jesus will resurrect them {John 11:25} but as for those who don't have the accurate knowledge of God they are as good as walking corpse!

tctrills:
Do you need me to show you a verse that TEACHES that all would be resurrected?

Verses of the Bible DON'T TEACH, you can only quote or cite a verse but you need someone to TEACH you the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what was WRITTEN otherwise every verse will be taken literally and that will lead to endless arguments and contradictions.

So instead of quoting a verse and expecting it to solve the issue why not try to correlate the verse you have in mind with the rest of the scriptures and see if you'll arrive at a comprehensive end?

If God's word is to be read and understood by everyone then there's no reason why some are anointed with God's Holy Spirit to TEACH! Ephesians 4:11