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tctrills:
Where is it written that angels are the sons of God?

You still have a long way to go!

Jesus is one of God's spirit sons just like angels, but humans are from Adam and Eve through reproduction process. That's why only Jesus was born without sexual reproduction!

tctrills:
I just quoted Ecclesiastes 3:19-20 it never said that. But even if it did what is your point. All spirits came from God even Jesus Christ's are you saying he has the spirit of an animal?
Is God not the father of our spirits? what is your point

God is the father of all Creation!
Jesus has existed before his transformation into the womb of Mary. Micah 5:2
No human spirit live in heaven before so stop deceiving yourself!

tctrills:
Anyone that responds is welcome

GROUP practicing what Jesus taught!

I can confidently say nobody will respond to you on such a thread apart from Jehovah's Witnesses!

tctrills:
Hebrews 12:9
Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live!

God is literally the father of the spirits of all mankind (see Hebrews 12:9; Acts 17:28-29; Numbers 16:22)
Jesus declared that his god is our god and that his father is our father (see John 20:17)

ZECHARIAH 12:1

The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord who stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him:

The bible clearly states that our spirits came from God not Adam

Our spirit (breath) came from God and it's the same spirit that's in animals! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

tctrills:
That would be a nice thread

I'm using this medium to assure you that only Jehovah's Witnesses will respond to such a thread because they are the only people fully competent and completely equipped to speak about their faith! 2Timothy 3:16-17

tctrills:
Wait you say our spirits are from Adam?

Adam doesn't have any spirit that survived his body after death. It's just the breath of life that we have and it's the same thing that's in animals! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

tctrills:
maybe we would discuss that in another thread. How to identify the true followers of Jesus Christ. It would be a great topic of its own.

NO!
How to identify the group practicing what Jesus taught!

tctrills:
Good, now you are right Jesus is not the only one from the spirit world as you claimed earlier. The spirit of all humans came from God as spirit children of God. thank you for correcting yourself

NO!
All humans are from Adam just like other earthly creatures only angels are God's spirit sons like Jesus!

tctrills:
Only Jw preach Jw doctrine
Redeem teach redeem doctrine.
Now we can have a discussion to find out who is teaching the doctrine of Christ. but when it comes to preaching, many do it better

Only Jehovah's Witnesses are preaching what Jesus preached!

Trevor007007:
Never wanted to quote you but I just noticed that from all your reply to Max from the Bible or holy scriptures you keep using literal sense to explain, if you keep doing that you will never understand Max from now till your expire. I rest my case, we move.

I just need to prove to him that i'm connected to Christ's brothers who are anointed with God's Holy Spirit to teach people.
So i'm not bothered whether he accept or not, from now on he will never forget Jehovah's Witnesses and our beliefs. Let him go and worship anywhere he likes at least i've injected into him things that will continue to disturb his conscience!

tctrills:
Jesus never said he is the only person from the spirit realm. I don't know the translation of the bible you are using. But then if you claim that angels are also sons of God then that also means Jesus was not the only one like you Claim. What really is your point.

Jesus is one of God's spirit sons!
The difference between Jesus and other spirit sons of God is he is the first creature God made directly all by Himself {Colossians 1:15} and afterwards God empowered him to create all other things, both in heaven and on earth! Colossians 1:16 compare to Proverbs 8:22-31

tctrills:
If you talk about preaching the Gospel, many organizations do it much better than JW. Take for example a chuch like Redeem. It's less than 70 years yet it is in over 100 countries and has more members than JW. They have obviously done a better job preaching the gospel.

Jesus wasn't targeting a crowd of faithless people, it's about those practicing what Jesus taught globally. They must have love for their fellow believers never to join military services and start raising weapons against their fellow believers.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses know this!

tctrills:
Job never said the angels were the sons of God. The spirit of man has always been with God in heaven. Our spirits are his children. Just Like Christ. Christ was with the father as a Son not as Flesh and Blood before he came down to earth. All Men are spirit children of God.

The highlighted!

So Jesus lied that he's the only person who came from the spirit realms! John 8:23

tctrills:
many churches have come to my house

To my house, only Jehovah's Witnesses came and after preaching they continue coming to TEACH me just as Jesus commanded them! Matthew 28:19-20

tctrills:
Do you want me to give you a list of churches persecuted for not taking political sides or you rather Google it.

Jesus did not ask me to look for them in newspapers or social media.
He commanded them to come and TEACH me in my house! Matthew 10:12-13

Only Jehovah's Witnesses came to my house and taught me, they never waited for me to search for them on Google, in fact this December 12 they're marking a century of PREACHING and TEACHING against WARS in the world's most populous black nation Nigeria!

tctrills:
You claim that the sons of God are angles. What if I show you 10 verses that describes man as the children of God would that change your mind? In fact no single verse in the entire bible described angels as the sons of God.

When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? Job 38:7

When God created the heavens humans weren't there so learn today that the sons of God there are angels!

tctrills:
I don't understand your point. You said you are the only guys that preach abstaining from war. I gave you 3 organizations that started that even before you so what is your point really.

You've forgotten that action speaks louder than words!
People can PREACH and not put it to practice including taking the information round the world.
That's why Jesus said:

TEACHING them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things Matthew 28:20

After commanding that we PREACH it Jesus include TEACHING them how to APPLY it.

So ask yourself:
Which group do people know globally preaching and teaching against WARS?
This is not what you read in papers but what we all know in our neighbourhood!

tctrills:
These are your conditions.. We are talking of Christ conditions. A church that claims angels sleep with women is not meeting Christ conditions.
If you want us to discuss the conditions for the true church, I am open to it.

Now when men started to grow in number on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose. Genesis 6:1-2

The sons of God there are angels that left their heavenly position, materialized human bodies for themselves and start having sex with female humans (daughters of men)

You can go for another interpretation but i've presented what those having authority to teach taught me.

Jesus' group is just one and they're not SCATTERED in different sects claiming denominations of the same religion! Luke 11:23

So if you know a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses let me know!

tctrills:
You think you are the only group others persecute? You really don't know much about Christian history then.

The history of Christianity is about persecution for their FAITH not because they interfere in politics.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses are persecuted for not taking sides in politics just as Jesus was neutral! John 15:19; 17:14-16

tctrills:
Good you don't know. I would now give you a few churches that are against war. You can make your research.
Society of Friends or Quakers, the Church of the Brethren, and the Mennonites. All these churches are much older than JW. I can also give you up to 10 younger churches that don't do war.

My friend when you say one to ten but they're not preaching and teaching it then in what way are they doing it effectively?

Jehovah's Witnesses are known globally with our teachings that's what it means to present WORKS not just FAITH! James 2:18

NNTR:
Splendid
How much of character does the soul start with?

Well the bodies doesn't mean anything to the one taking account of our works because it will routine in the grave. What really matters to God is the character, that's your identity that will be remembered during resurrection you'll be given a new body!

tctrills:
Just so you know, JW is not the first or even the last Church that is against fighting of war. So it's not like it's special. Others started it first.

Only JWs are against WARS!

tctrills:
Oh you are saying that you don't have the authority but you represent someone GROUP you believe to have the authority right?

YES! I represent the GROUP having that authority because i connected and learned from them! Zechariah 8:23

tctrills:
He said not I so what is your point. He is entitled to his beliefson now you want to hold me responsible for another man's statement?

No i only want you to know that even when there is contradictions among Pharisees Sadducees, Scribes, and other Jewish Rabbis Jesus' group is singled out as Satanists! Matthew 10:25

tctrills:
You keep doing this, you raise one verse in the scripture, interpret it and use it as the yardstick for the entire scripture.
What if I show you other organizations that don't pick up arms? Since you believe that picking arms is the sole measure of God's people, if I show you others that don't pick up arms, would you agree that that are also God's true church?

My friend, i'm just kicking off false religions!

There are many things to consider: FAITH
~in God
~in God's Kingdom (Government)
~in Abrahamic Covenant
~in the lineage of Jacob
~in the Promised Messiah (Christ)
~in Jesus as the promised Messiah
~in the group practicing what Jesus taught
~in oneness of Jesus group
~in Love permeating their gathering
~in preaching and teaching work
~in eradication of racism among believers
~in none participation in politics

No group can meet up with these requirements if they're not connected to Christ!

tctrills:
There is no need to do that. The other person does not represent me. I have met people that condemn Catholic, I have met those that hate latter day saints, I know people that hate synagogue. You are not the only church that gets knocks from people.

He said:

Only JWs don't respect the scriptures

That's audible enough!

tctrills:
We can continue playing over symatics. Of course the bible is a book, it does not teach rather, it contains the teachings of Christ.
Again, do you understand what you are saying. You claim to be the chosen one who is able to interpret God's word. But I have given you a chance to do so. I ask questions, I bring up scriptures and you have the floor to interpret as you choose. What more do you want?If you claim to have the ultimate power to interpret God's Word I would tell from the way you answer questions and conduct yourself. Anyone can claim anything. I have given you the opportunity to prove what you claim

You're now doing exactly what you accused me of!
I never said i'm the one given the authority to interpret God's word but i learned from those given the authority to do so. That's why i can quote the scriptures to authenticate what i learned from them. But if you don't agree with what i'm saying it's OK you can hold onto what you believe.
It's a free world my friend!

tctrills:
The answer to your question is every other church.
Catholics have 1 belief system.
Redeem share 1 belief system.
7 days adventist all believe the same.
Wait, you really thought that other churches are not organized that only your church members agree in their beliefs?

YES! YES!! YES!!!
They are not organized like Jehovah's Witnesses.
Being organized simply means they will share the same line of thought just as Jesus prayed {John 17:20-23} if they do who do you think will pick up weapons to go and kill his brother in Christ living in other countries?
Only Jehovah's Witnesses know that it's wrong to pick up weapons due to the orders from a politician then aim at his fellow believer in Christ!
All other religions will do that except Jehovah's Witnesses who are truly ORGANIZED under Jesus Christ! John 13:34-35

tctrills:
Honestly I don't understand what you mean here. You keep implying things I did not say.

You're not the one i quoted, i just want you to note what the person said:

Only JWs don't respect the scriptures

Yet there are over 41,000 different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming denominations of Christianity!

TenQ:
Only JW's don't respect the scriptures!

When you hear people utter statements like this when there are over 41,000 different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines claiming denominations of the same religion.
Why not ask which of the religions on planet earth respects the scriptures when there's is contradictions everywhere!

Well the secret of the matter is that Jesus' true disciples will be singled out of all the religions in the world! John 15:19

tctrills take note

tctrills:
It's dishonest of you to misquote me. We both know that I never said I am not interested in a group whose teachings are in line with Christ. I have always used the bible and the doctrines of Christ as the basis of my discussions with you. So it's unfair of you to make such a statement. I expected better from you.
I only said I am not looking for a group that picks a few verses in the bible to suit their belief system while neglecting or explaining away the rest of the Bible.
For example if the foundation of your beliefs is not taking part in politics but then you deny many clear teaching's in the scriptures or you add Strange doctrines that are not scriptural, for example saying that angels come around to sleep with girls.

Are all the over 41,000 different sects claiming denominations of Christianity having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines Christians all together?

If not then which of all these groups is practicing what Jesus taught?

I believe it's Jehovah's Witnesses.
So which of them is practicing Christianity for real or you don't believe God answered Jesus' prayer regarding global oneness of thought among his disciples?

 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me. John 17:20:23

Which group do you know that people globally know them as ONE regarding their beliefs?

tctrills:
I am not sure you read the verse. You said "that is where their gnashing of teeth and hypocritical weeping after their rebellion will land them"[color=#770077][/color]

but the bible taught that they would be sent to a place where there would be gnashing of teeth and weeping not where there ghashing and weeping would land them. Please go and read the verse.

11 And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

I've told you that the Bible doesn't TEACH it's only information that needed someone to enlighten you regarding the meaning:

Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading ?”  He said: “Really, how could I ever do so unless someone guided me?” So he urged Philip to get on and sit down with him. Act 8:30-31

Jesus is the sole mediator of everything that's written in the Bible that's why he is appropriately called "the word of God" {John 1:1} he love using illustrations {Matthew 13:13} so if the reader doesn't learn from his true disciples it will be difficult to comprehend so many things Jesus said. That's why he said:

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, TEACHING them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things! Matthew 28:19-20

So if you feel like reading and understanding what you're reading it's OK but if you want to learn i'll implore you to start from the grassroot of the information about God's Kingdom.

May you have PEACE!