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tctrills:
I just laugh. No retreat no surrender.. funny you.

It's like you don't have any further questions for us. So let me leave you with your people!

tctrills:
And about finding your lost people. I am sure you would find lots of people who would believe that angels sleep with girls especially in Africa. It's really close to traditional African beliefs so you won't have a hard time convincing many abut it. All in all, I wish you luck

Jesus has prepared our minds for the worst:

 “Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake. Rejoice and be overjoyed, since your reward is great in the heavens, for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to you. Matthew 5:11-12

But when we find our lost brothers in any part of the earth we will make up one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally {Isaiah 2:2-4} everyone throughout the world will say about us "they love their members" {John 13:34-35} but there's no race where we will be celebrated! Matthew 10:22; Luke21:17; John 15:21

So don't bother we are OK with our own brothers that Jesus promised us we will have globally:

We will loose everything else in the world due to our love for Jesus.

Then Peter said in reply: “Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” Matthew 19:27

But Jesus promised us that we will have something in return that we love to have:

Jesus said: “Truly I say to you, no one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news who will not get 100 times more now in this period of time—houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields, with persecutions—and in the coming system of things, everlasting life Mark 10:29-30

So you don't have to wish because i already have what Jesus promised me: the Organization of God's people known as Jehovah's Witnesses globally!

tctrills:
If you are not comfortable with any question I ask, you don't need to answer. Answer only questions you are comfortable with.
It's not like I am your teacher marking your script

We are spiritual warriors fighting Satan and his demons, there's no question anyone raised that we will not answer you as long as it has to do with what is written in our book (Bible)
It's when you're not satisfied with our response that we'll implore you to get your answer elsewhere but we will never accept that we are wrong unless you can present a better performing group than we are.
No retreat no surrender!

tctrills:
I never antagonized your religion. But you keep on looking down on others. You set your organization as the light but you get sensitive when we question your beliefs.

Hilarious!
You yourself said all other religions are saying the same thing as we do. Yet how many of them have you been questioning regarding their beliefs or what exactly they believe that you said they're also claiming the same thing as we do?

tctrills:
I asked you many questions you couldn't answer but you want to be taking serious.
You ask who are does practicing what Jesus taught. Did Jesus teach that angel sleep with girls.
Even when I quoted the words of Christ to you about Peter you rejected it so if you truly represent JW, it means you guys teaches are different from what Jesus taught.

Good!
So you don't need to bother yourself about what JWs teach, just take us for one of those false religions around you!

tctrills:
If there is anyone on this thread that had given you a chance to prove yourself, I am the one. But you continue to falter and disappoints.
I honestly hope that this isn't a reflection of all JWs.
I sometimes feel you take everyone here for fools. You can't keep quoting verses that don't relate and giving conflicting explanations to every verse.
The worst is claiming that the bible teaches that angels sleep with girls

I thought we've both said goodbye to each other before you came back asking questions.
If you're sure that there is nothing about me and my posts then why bother asking further questions?

My friend it's not about we convincing you but finding our own people who are lost in false religions {Matthew 10:6} whenever we find any of our own we only speak the language of the shepherd and once they hears our language they'll rejoice! John 10:16 compare to Zephaniah 3:9

tctrills:
So far, your organization have failed all test. You claim that the letters kill but that's all you do. Luckily you know you lack the spirit. It's only your bosses that have the spirit. The rest of you have the letters.
Just so you know the spirit of man lived with God even before the foundation of the world.
Ephesians 1.4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Our relationship with the father is clearly older than the creation of the earth.

The highlighted is your PERSONAL opinion just as many of your fellow antagonists will say against God's ORGANIZED people, but honest hearted and sincere individuals will keep on asking:
"where is the group of people practicing what Jesus taught and how can we IDENTIFY this group?"
That's all i needed and after getting what i needed i was satisfied that i've found Jesus' group JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

tctrills:
I love how you diverted when faced with the truth. I just other members of your church are more honest than you and are not afraid of the word of God.
You continue to claim a sense of superiority but when you are faced with the scriptures you get confused.
Let me give you instances.
1. You are yet to show are verse that claims angels are God's sons
2. You again claimed God did not reveal Jesus to Peter when that is exactly what the Bible says
3. You continue to claim that man and animals have the same spirit when even the verse you quoted does not say so.
I actually wonder what you aim to achieve online if you are not comfortable with your beliefs being tred against the word of God.
You claim to be the only non political church, I showed you that you are not even the first.
You claim to be the only ones following the teachings of Christ but it can't be true since you at more than 1 time made Jesus a liar and misrepresented and misquoted scriptures.
I only hope that othere from your church would present themselves better.

The only evidence Jehovah's Witnesses have is our organization so there's nothing any other JW can say other than what i've told you!

Jehovah said about his people:

“I am the One who declared and saved and made known When there was no foreign god among you. So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God. Isaiah 43:12

If you can't present any group of people practicing pure worship then all your arguments on LETTERS of the scriptures is futile {Titus 3:9} because it's the SPIRIT that's making things WORK out {2Corinthians 3:6} so that everyone can SEE what Jesus said about his true disciples globally! Matthew 5:13-16

TenQ:
You said I forgot to mention your other fellows (of course you know your bedfeathers better than me), now you come up to spew nonsense?

When i was still very young my uncle told me that there are lots and lots of FAKE currencies in circulation. I asked him "what will happen if someone is paid with FAKE currency?" He said " you can't buy anything with it and you will be arrested if it's found with you"

I was so scared so my uncle said

"you don't need to be afraid, all you need to know is how to IDENTIFY the original with all it's features, then any other one without those features is FAKE"

So i don't need to start examining all the religions in the world, what i need to know is the features of true Christianity and it's written all over JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

TenQ:
THe list is not exhaustive, you can add whichever you want. As you know, I even forgot to mention the Brotherhood of the Sun and Star

I don't need the the list of false religions, all i need is the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught and i've found them, they are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

tctrills:
Good for you, You claim that I am not humble because I don't agree with you. You have also said that you lack the spirit yet you want me to believe the words of one who lacks the spirit of God. I have the spirit of God you should be listening to me. Clearly, you need to humble yourself as you have shown from your words, you lack authority and you depend on those of us that have God's spirit.

HUMILITY is a topic on it's own that you still need to learn what it means or entails!

Though i never wanted to go this far with you but who knows maybe someone is following silently? Such a person may learn one or two things from our discussion!

Now let me enlighten you about HUMILITY:

When someone is said to be humble it doesn't mean he have to agree with everyone that comes his way otherwise he can't stand for any faith, he will accept every wind of teaching.
So what is or how do we qualify HUMILITY?

There will always be different religious sects claiming they know God until Jesus comes to exterminate all those practicing falsehood {Matthew 25:41-46} then humble people will never claim they know anything rather they will thoroughly meditate on what different sects are saying {Act 17:11} and go for where righteousness is WORKING out what is fine! 1Thessalonians 5:21 compare to James 2:18-26

So it's HUMILITY that will help such a person to accept help from those who knows better than he does.

You have proved to be empty because what i needed you don't have, everyone knows that there is contradictions everywhere regarding the knowledge of God so if you have the spirit of God it's not by adding to the contradictions rather PRESENTING the group of people practicing pure worship so that i can look out for the FRUIT Jesus talked about in their gathering! Matthew 7:16-18

May you have PEACE!

TenQ:
Let's assume jesusjnr2020 and TenQ differ in some few things, is that a proof that JW are correct?
Ignorant people will dogmatically see it as a proof.
Jehovah's witnesses, Mormon, Christian Science, Christadelphians, Armstrongism, Oneness Pentecostals, Unification Church are ALL birds of the same Feather! The only difference they have with the JWs is that they make less NOISE!

You didn't add SYNAGOGUES CHURCH OF ALL NATIONS (SCOAN) of late TB Joshua!

Àbí that one is OK?
Remember all your daddy GOs refused to pay a condolence visit to the family!

tctrills:
now you are beginning to get smart with your answers. Cool. The word of God is for everyone to read and believe.

John 20:31
but these have been written so that you may believe [with a deep, abiding trust] that Jesus is the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed), the Son of God; and that.
Now you claim that the spirit of God is with you. first you said only the selected few in your group have the spirit. which do we take.

The spirit only help those who have been taught by the BORN AGAIN brothers of Christ to remember what they've learned but as for TEACHING directly regarding the sacred secrets in God's word that one belongs only to the CHOSEN.
So the Holy Spirit is directly TEACHING them while they are TEACHING us then the Holy Spirit only reminds us after we have accepted what they learned from the same Spirit!

tctrills:
Honestly, I don't understand you. If we don't believe God's words who do we now believe.

God's word is not for everyone to read and understand. That's just the bitter truth!

But while we are humble and considering righteousness {Zephaniah 2:2-3} we will be able to notice those whom God has chosen to TEACH others and we will hold tight to their interpretation of God's word! Zechariah 8:23

That's why Jesus told his first century Jewish disciples that they are to go TEACHING people what is WRITTEN in God's word. Matthew 28:20
If it's everyone that can just pick it up, read and understand. The Ethiopian eunuch wouldn't have begged Philip to guide him.
Remember the Ethiopian eunuch had his own copy of the scriptures and it was from his own copy that he was reading aloud! Act 8:30-35

That's why Jesus said:

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5

Because it takes great meekness (humility) to accept that someone knows better than you do and humbly request for his/her help.

From our discussion since do you think i sat with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses so that they're telling me what or where to quote?

Well once someone humbly accept their help Jesus will send God's active force to start helping such a person so that he could confidently defend his beliefs using the scriptures with efficacy! Matthew 10:19-20

They have prayed with me so the spirit of their God is working with me now even when i'm not a BORN AGAIN like them! Act 6:6

May you have PEACE!

tctrills:
Did God chose only Peter when you said God will pour His spirit on all people What's your point with this.
Who revealed that Jesus was the son of God to Peter?

Just humble yourself and learn!

God is not partial to have revealed something to Peter and neglect other children of Abraham in the same nation.
It's the pure heart that helped Peter to reason well that based on the information they've been gathering regarding the Christ and what this young man is doing definitely he must be the Christ!

Who is responsible for pureness in man's heart?
Who inspired the writers to pen down prophecies about the Christ?
Who has been helping Jesus to perform all the fine works?

If you say "God" then it's the spirit of that God that has helped Peter not that God partially revealed something to Peter whereas there are millions of Jews back then in the first century.

Remember the same Peter few minutes later turned out to reason from the perspective of a fleshy creature, the same Jesus called Peter "Satan" Matthew 16:21-23

So how many spirit is revealing things to Peter?
Or between God's Spirit and Satan's Spirit, which one is controlling Peter?

tctrills:
What really do you want me to explain oga

I don't really need any explanation from you!

Since you think God's word should be taken literally as God will pour His spirit on ALL PEOPLE, i already know your level of understanding all i just want to do is show you how confused you are. Because below are people like you who are saying JWs are wrong with the interpretation we got from the people we trusted as BORN AGAIN brothers of Christ.

Can you tell me from their conversation which one has God's Holy Spirit?
Or perhaps it's God's Holy Spirit that makes them to continue contradicting themselves?

TenQ:
Only JW's don't respect the scriptures!

jesusjnr2020:
How ironic! The same JW's that say Jesus is angel Micheal?

According to the two comments above both commentators agreed that JWs are wrong, yet what is happening between them?

TenQ:
It looks like you are one of those whose new testament consists of only the four gospels.
I have helped you to rephrase the scripture above, can you tell us what it means?

Well Jesus Christ said:

Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me SCATTERS! Luke 11:23

The SCATTERING doesn't mean they will not chant their usual slogan "Jesus is LORD" but they will never agree on the same line of thought like Jesus' true disciples! John 17:22

tctrills:
It's not about what I believe. It's about what God says. Acts 2:17
“'It shall be done in the last days, says God,' I shall pour out my Spirit on everybody, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men.
You should be asking if it was God that promised his spirit to man or is it my personal opinion? The Lord promised to pour out his spirit to all men and you question him?
come who would you rather believe, The Lord God of your chosen leaders who have the spirit on your behalf?

You asked a question and i answered then you said i am wrong so i concluded that you should be able to explain better.
So if what you quoted means God will pour His spirit on ALL PEOPLE then all the religions in the world must be approved after all God is the one who poured His spirit on ALL PEOPLE!

My friend, humility is not a possession of all kinds of people it's either you humble yourself to learn or you continue arguing with everyone over what you see!

tctrills:
You just keep making Jesus a liar. He said This was not revealed by flesh but by my father in heaven. Who do we believe, JW or Christ?

Did God chose only Peter when you said God will pour His spirit on all people?

I'm only telling you what Jesus meant because there are many things he said that even his first century followers never grasp instantly {John 16:12-13} but if you feel you understood him it's OK!

OLAADEGBU:
By the msm.

America introduced DEMOCRACY the government of the people by the people and for the people.
So they're practicing what they laid down!

tctrills:
That was not what Jesus was saying. what he said was clear enough. It was his father that revealed the truth to Peter. Jesus said nothing about Peter's heart or state of mind.. again, your personal addition.

Peter was just a Jew like the rest of the people so God did not select Peter to reveal anything rather it simply means Peter's heart was pure that's why he could grasp who Jesus is and accepted him as Lord!

I told you from the onset that we don't need to argue with anyone over what is written in our book (Bible) all we need to do is tell you the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what our ancient brothers penned down and how it's WORKING out in our midst. Whether you agree or not is not our own concern!

tctrills:
This is the smartest answer you have given so far. i don't wish you evil. It was a hypothetical question

Even if you feel it's the most stupid answer i'm not in the position to decide your reaction to my faith, all i need to do is tell you what i believe regarding the spirit of Man!

tctrills:
Your religion is quite interesting, you select specific people who are allowed to have God's spirit.
◄ Acts 2:17
“’ In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

1 Corinthians 14:5
“I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.”

Numbers 11:29
And Moses said unto him, “Enviest thou for my sake? Would God that all the Lord'S people were prophets, and that the Lord would put His Spirit upon them!”.

Good!

So if you believe that God will pour his spirit on ALL PEOPLE then all the religions in the world are OK since it's God that pour His spirit on all people!

tctrills:
I am not a thief or rapist. I thought you would get the question but since you don't, let me ask in a way you would understand.
What would you do if a thief or rapist broke into your home?

You don't have to wish evil happen to me due to my faith.
So keep your question to yourself, if you have faith in God you should know that it's God that's protecting His loyal ones!

tctrills:
You are wrong, His followers had the spirit of God to testify to their spirits. Matt 16.17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Peter hasn't been baptized by God's Holy Spirit by the time he said that, it was after Jesus' ascension that Peter and the others were anointed with God's Holy Spirit so what Jesus is saying there is that Peter's heart is pure that's why he could discern that Jesus is the Christ even when most people who heard Jesus' words were planning to kill Jesus!

tctrills:
Since you are a pacifist, If I walk into your home to steal or rape would you turn the other cheek?

tctrills:
I can never hurt someone because of his beliefs. If God wants us all to believe the say thing he would do it at the press of a button.

Please don't forget what you promised that you won't hurt someone due to his faith, i hope you're not having this thought now due to my FAITH!

tctrills:
Oh you have special people that are taught by the spirit and the rest of you accept their teachings? This is getting very interesting. Basically, you don't know for yourselves. Whatever the special guys say you believe even if they lie to you. And then you go about teaching others what you received from your fellow man.
So when they tell you that angels sleep with girls you don't even think twice or ask for proof, you just go about teaching people the same. What is the difference between you and those that believe in a spiritual husband?

My friend, Jesus said God's Holy Spirit will TEACH them {John 16:12-13} but they will be the ones TEACHING others {Matthew 28:19-20} and the evidence to ascertain that God's Holy Spirit is WORKING with them is that they will gather people from all races, teach them what the Holy Spirit taught, make them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, erase politics and racism from their hearts, teach them never to raise weapons against their fellowman and have nothing to do with military services! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 compare to John 17:20-23

This is the FRUIT we need to see to be certain that they are working for Jesus! Matthew 7:16-18

But if you want to continue investigating everything they say then it simply means you won't like Jesus if you lived in the first century because his followers who stick to him only trusted him not because they grasp everything he was teaching them back then! John 6:66-67

tctrills:
Even after Adams fall, Enoch walked with God. And there were many other recorded children of God in the bible.
job did not say it was angels. and you again are right in saying that satan and other spirits. Just like the bible talks about the spirit of man. So we agree again spirits are children of God.
It says morning stars, not angels.
You still don't have a single verse that claims angels slept with women or that angels are the children of God. I have shown you many that show the spirit of man is a child of God.
Finally you even agree with me that spirits are children of God.

Don't worry myself, just as you said "it's a free world" once i see a verse and someone explain to me all i need is meditate thoroughly on what i was taught.

The angels slept with the female humans and they gave birth to giants who were villains.
So i don't need someone to quote where the Bible must say it's angels because it has distinguished by saying "sons of God" and "daughters of men"

Enoch walked with God never made him the son of God because he's Adam's descendants born and inherited sin through Adam so he's part of those who have fallen short of the glory of God {Romans 3:23} so he is not one of God's sons!

tctrills:
You guys believe that angels sleep with women. It is not based on scripture, it's just a personal belief. Yet you claim to be the correct group that follows the teachings of Christ. If you have other books that contain the teachings of Christ, I am open to it. I love to learn. For example, the latter-day saints have the Book of Mormon and they are open about it.
Please if you guys use other books, I would love a copy. Just show me the book that taught you such a doctrine. Angels sleep with women.

We only acknowledge Christ's spiritual brothers (born again) God's Holy Spirit is teaching them and they are teaching us!
So if you don't believe in a group Jesus is teaching then you can continue reading the Bible on your own!

tctrills:
Oh is that the scripture Genesis 6:1-2 wow. Let's even pretend that it was not humans, How did you now decide that it was angels?
Again the bible calling males sons of God and females Daughters of men is still perfectly correct.
For example, if a Christian marries an unbeliever, I can easily say a child of God has married a Daughter of man.
WHY DID YOU ASSUME THAT THE SONS OF GOD WS REFERRING TO ANGELS? THAT IS MY QUESTION.

Simple!
After Adam's rebellion all humans have sinned and fall short of the glory of God {Romans 3:23} so if God's word now distinguish by calling some "sons of God" and the others "daughters of men" we check other scriptures to know who that place is referring to.

@ Job 1:6 says the "son's of God" took there position before God and Satan entered into their midst. We know that Job lived when God hasn't anoint anyone with his holy spirit and Satan entering indicates that the venue of that event is not earth but heaven where Satan and all other creatures there are SPIRITS!
Moreover it was written that "sons of God" (morning stars) were jubilating after their creation! Job 38:7

So we know that the "sons of God" who had not accepted Jesus before being declared as sons of God {John 1:11-12} must be angels!

tctrills:
Ecclesiastes 3:19-20
For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Please can you teach from the word of God? I perfectly understand your personal opinion. Now use the scriptures please I am begging you.

You don't need to beg me there are many religions claiming they're teaching people out there, you also mentioned RCCG so instead of begging me go and ask them too what they teach about the topic!

tctrills:
I rather listen to the Word of God than your personal view. Where are angels described as Sons of God? I know your personal view now use the scriptures.
And yes, I have a long way to go. I don't claim to know so much I ask questions. I expect you to reply with the word of God.

I cited and quoted the scriptures but you kept arguing against it so what else do you want me to do?

Genesis 6:1-2 said the sons of God had sex with daughters of men yet you're arguing that they're not angels.
Why did the Bible called the males "sons of God" but females "daughters of men" if they're all humans?

tctrills:
Ecclesiastes 12:7
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

You can argue with me but you can't argue with the word of God. Unless you have a different Bible, These are the Lord's teachings

Proverbs 20:27
The spirit of man is the lamp of the Lord, searching all his innermost parts.

Romans 8:16
The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

Zechariah 12:1
The burden of the word of the Lord concerning Israel: Thus declares the Lord, who stretched out the heavens and founded the earth and formed the spirit of man within him:

1 Corinthians 2:11
For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Romans 8:10
But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Acts 7:59

And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

From these verses, we learn that the spirit of man is active and intelligent. We also learn that the spirit remains alive after the death of the body. The spirit does not die. Furthermore, God communicates to us through our spirits. WE ARE CHILDREN OF GOD BECAUSE HE IS THE FATHER OF OUR SPIRITS. jUST LIKE A CHILD IS FORMED WITHIN ITS MOTHER, OUR SPIRITS WERE FORMED WITHIN GOD.

It's just the breath of life in human and it's the same thing that's in animals! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20