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Workch:
Im not bothered bro.
But I don’t just like lies

Lies won't work out any good even when you have all the evidence you desire, but truth will surely work out even when you can't see any evidence!

Workch:
I am not holding you mate.

I wonder why you're disturbed because people choose to put faith in God!

LordReed:
LoL! So we have established that as regards security you are not special. QED.
LMFAO! OK o, we dey wait.

Security is not about what you keep in your house but what you're able to do even when everything you keep behind locked doors are gone!

So for the main time we continue to enjoy the undeniable benefits of faith:

Peter began to say to him: “Look! We have left all things and followed you.”  Jesus said: “Truly I say to you, no one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news who will not get 100 times more now in this period of time—houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields, with persecutions—and in the coming system of things, everlasting life! Mark 10:28-30

We will continue to enjoy the global family of peace loving worshipers, that's what atheism can never do for you!

Kaleidoscopic:
If God is truly Omniscient, that is all-knowing, all-wise, and of infinite awareness and understanding, why does He require us to ask before He acts?

This is the reason why Jesus sent his true disciples out not only to PREACH but also to TEACH people how to walk with the God of Israel! Matthew 28:19-20

Your first question should be addressed:

God doesn't know the thoughts in the minds of every living person, that's a lie.
Right from the beginning God gave humans the freedom to think and do everything they want except one thing "setting standards for right and wrong among ourselves" {Genesis 2:17} God wants us to rely on Him for the standard of right and wrong within the human society. Our failure to rely on God for this will lead us into killing one another so God said annihilation will be the next option if we disobey this single rule! Genesis 3:19

Today we are living in the time when God has gotten fed up with the thoughts in the hearts of different individuals because it's always evil {Genesis 6:5} and He can't tolerate evil thoughts {Habakkuk 1:13} that's why He is far away from majority of mankind! Proverbs 15:29

But what about those who seek for Him with a pure heart? His angels who are serving as His eyes {Revelations 4:8} these ones are moving to and fro throughout the earth in search of individuals whose hearts are completely towards God. They're the ones giving Him the reports of both good and bad things happening throughout the earth! Genesis 18:20-21

So it's only those who are closer to Him by FAITH that He's reading the thoughts in their hearts {2Chronicles 16:9} because they're the ones making His heart glad {Proverbs 27:11} not everyone you're seeing around you. That's why the Bible book of Revelation talks about people whose names are not found in the book of life (God's memory) Revelations 20:15

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Workch:
We don’t have to make things up, we just follow evidence where it leads

Let everyone see where it's leading you nah!

Workch:
There is no testable result for your useless god. Only those you made up in your head

Gather atheists into one group and let's see what you can make up in your head nah!

LordReed:
Just leave your doors unlocked is all I ask lol.

Doors are locked because of strangers but faith is turning us into brothers and sisters so that we can build TRUST in one another just as i can't lock my doors out of fear of my son, daughter, sister, brother, mother or father.
But due to people like you who can't see the benefits of FAITH then i need the locks!

LordReed:
So when is your god coming? LMAO!

When the last born again Christian lives this planet!

The goodness in believers is difficult to decipher by carnal minds that's why the one claiming atheists are not good people isn't equipped enough to analyze what God said about the wickedness of unbelievers!

Ordinarily everyone supposed to be good because without anxieties of life leading to desperation and in most cases depression no human will be evil. But since life itself is full of unforseen occurrences negatively affecting the lives of billions each person is striving to avoid such things by doing everything they can including getting what they want at all cost.

So how does goodness work out in the case of a believer?

God's Holy Spirit has nine qualities:
LOVE
JOY
PEACE
PATIENCE
GOODNESS
GENTLENESS
FAITH
MILDNESS
SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

Due to his/her unwavering trust in the promises of God, the believer can never be tempted into desperation, he/she will throw all his/her anxieties on God {Philippians 4:6-7} so at all times he/she will be peaceable with everyone! Romans 12:18
But as for the faithless, he/she will continue to feel bitter because all he/she can see is the life now, there's no hope of any better tomorrow in sight except what he/she could struggle to achieve now. So whenever things aren't working as planned he/she becomes desperate leading to wrong thoughts and actions! 1Timothy 6:9-10

LordReed:
LoL see long throat at work. Bwahahahahaha! Keep waiting for your imaginary god. I am hoping Nairaland is still active 40 years from now so I come laugh at you.

Who told you it's 40 years that God is coming to destroy unbelievers?
I am talking about the benefits of faith now, when you have nothing to benefit from atheism other than confusion and ignominy from your fellow atheists who don't give a damn about you. So it's what my God promised that's happening now that assures me that His promise of a New World is certain!

Trinitarians arguing with themselves, none of my concern!

johnw47:
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:


lost false jw mad max

u forever unable to stop lying, of course.
like kobojunkie, when told/shown the truth, you just keep repeating your lies:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



i knew you a blasphemer of The Holy Spirit would love this thread about your fore fathers
the blaspheming pharisees, and the blaspheming atheist's posting here:

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.

concerning kobojunkie, he like you is not a believer. a supporter of blaspheming The Holy Spirit shares the same destiny as the blasphemer, you take kobojunkies side by default

LordReed:
Why would I go uninvited to someone's house?
See no story o, just leave your doors unlocked. LMFAO!

Sorry that's the level of your thinking faculty!

Nobody goes to visit people uninvited apart from preachers. But when bad things happens we find ourselves in situations where we will need to be cared for by strangers, that's the time i will walk straight to anyone and ask for the homes of the 100 folds of brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, children that Jesus promised me. Then you'll become a beggar in the streets of people who don't know you that day!

As for my doors i lock it because of people like you but when all of you are gone we don't need doors anymore! Psalms 37:9-11

Greenholics:
Thus you dont know who stole the stuff, it might even your most dedicated members, I know perosnally of Jw faithful that does runs, as a matter of fact when i attended Jw program i was to marry one and i dont want to go into th not so upright part i had to deal with, so my brother dont come here to paint it like everyone is evil except JW, they are good and bad people and its perculiar to one set or race, its a fallacy and it is not what a spiritually enlightened person should say.

It's a pity you don't understand what i am saying here but let me simplify it for you now.
I'm not saying JWs are perfect humans but the rules guiding us will never let someone in our midst steal, fornicate or commit adultery and expect fellow JWs to view you as a dedicated member. So if something is missing and anyone founds it in our midst the only way to prove that there is miracles in your life is by presenting the lost item to the lost and found counter not keeping it for yourself because nobody will celebrate you in our midst when you become rich all of a sudden, in fact you'll be the first suspect when anything is missing!

Greenholics:
You see, try as much as possible to remove sentiment from fact, did you do an head count and investigation that shows no Jw faithfuls are beggers come on! They are beggers in isreal, same way they are beggers in Rome and in UAE, but that does not in any way or form put a limit on what God can do......
You know these are stuff they tell you guys and it lacks verifiable foundations, and lets get our head on the right side, even if even if we all have billions of dollars, if there is no love that money is nothing, when love is missing, it turn a religion into a cult.
And you see these begger issues, its only a gospel that can only be pushed in the poor side of Africa, in a civilised world where billionaire use train and public amenities how do you want to use "no begger in Jw" as a prove that there is love manifestingbat its finest in the kingdom hall, come on we have to get the poverty mentality off your mind sir.

What i am saying is JWs are known in their neighbourhood so it's impossible for a JW to beg for money, even our kids are taught to be contented with whatever they have never to beg for anything from strangers. That's why i can confidently tell you that there is no JW that's a beggar!

Greenholics:
Judging by your last paragraph every body doing good and giving back to the community got thier wealth through an evil means? It is funny you said that because few paragraphs ago you just bragged that no begger in your set and you guys support each other does that mean you are getting your wealth from an evil means ?
Ok check this " In 2016, three more properties valued at an estimated $850 million to $1 billion—including the headquarters building—were put up for sale. The WatchTower Society reached a deal to sell the headquarters at Columbia Heights for $700 million" (from wikipedia you can go look it up)
Is this from an evil source too? Does it mean the watch tower got this money by putting people in hardship?
Also get this part, the fact that a person is a financially doing well does not mean he is the cause of all the evil happening, not all wealth people are evil.

My friend, the truth is that wealth is tied to stealing from the poor. One way or another people who deprive their fellowman the right to good things that's how wealth comes, that's why Jesus referred to wealth as "unrighteous riches" {Luke 16:9} this simply means that Christians who has once been depriving their fellowman of good things and got wealthy through that means should stop such acts and whatever they've acquired in the past should be channeled now to helping their fellow believers who happens to be less privileged to get the needed things! Luke 18:18-23
So all the estates of watchtower comes through the contributions of people both rich and poor who wants to play their part in helping others to get what we need now, which is the spiritual things like Bibles and other information materials. That's why all our books are FREE!

Greenholics:
Its funny you still havent replied what i asked, so you will treat your kids and parents like strangers because they visited a catholic church or took blood transfusion or maybe decided not to be a memberof JW? I really want yiur reply on this.

When you are my neighbour what i owe you is the love for every living person around me. So if you're related to me by blood and i have what it takes to help you i'll do what is within my capability, but when you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses then i must go extra miles to see to it that what you need is provided. For instance i can't go to a fellow JW demanding a help for someone who is not a JW simply because that person is related to me, but i can walk up to any of my JW brothers and sisters to tell them what our fellow believer needs if i'm not buoyant enough to solve it.
Ordinarily i'm a shy person who will rather remain hungry than going to beg strangers for food, it's JWs that taught me never to hide my problems from fellow believers, so if i now see a fellow believer in need and i can't solve the problem then it's my duty to go and meet other brothers to help our brother in faith but i can't do such for a neighbour who isn't related to us in the faith. That's why someone who is not related to me in the faith can't have the same privileged as my family in the faith!

Greenholics:
Ok you said love is when you prevent a thing from happening rather then fixing it when it happens but you forget some issues are laced in the fabric of society even before you and I come to this world.
For example if i give food to an homeless person, then i dont love him because some 40year ago he made a wrong financial decision (that kind of put him in a bad situation ) now) so are you saying i dont love the person in question because i didnt stop him from making the wrong decision?(not minding the fact that i was not even born 40yrs ago l)..... u see how that logic of yours failed?

"Prevention is better than cure" doesn't mean bad things will not happen but when it does then it's the duty of the society as a whole to help not my own personal responsibility.
So before people gets into trouble we strive to warn them of the consequences of their actions. For instance a JW mustn't commit fornication or adultery but most people don't see it as evil until they contact STDs. So whose responsibility is it to start looking for cure when people in your neighbourhood are infected with HIV or AIDS? Is it not the government? We have played our part in trying to prevent such but when they ignore then it's not our duty to spend our hard earned money (which we also need) on people who deliberately ignore us!

Greenholics:
What does Burundy, Nigeria, Centra Africa republic, Congo, Niger and Malawi have in common? They are within the first 15 poorest country in the world ....... also in Africa they are within first 15 countries with highest number of Jw faithfuls...... no begger in Jw? Facts proved otherwise.
Nigeria is the poverty capital of the world with over 89million people living in poverty, do you think these 89million people are solely from other religion and none from your own religion? So my oga instead of telling your neighbour how to get out or the causes of poverty you guys should be fixing yourself with that knowledge.
See how fake it goes, you lphe your neighbor so much that you try to go about life and avoid poverty, but if your mother decides to folow that Neighbors of yours to his church, you will turn your mother to a stranger?excommunicate her and will mot even soeak to her...... that is the definition of fake love sir.

When we're talking about poverty it's everywhere in the world. The richest nation on this planet do have their own beggars in their streets. So it's not about a country but the thoughts in the minds of each person. A JW knows that it's a sin for him to beg strangers for food because it defames the name of our God. So whatever can lead him/her into such situations must be totally avoided. Even if it means cutting our expenses to the lowest minimum. That's why i can confidently tell you that there's no beggar among JWs!

Greenholics:
Also If me trying to help like you say makes me an hypocrite or look like one..... dont you think you preaching in public places and knocking peoples door makes you an hypocrite too? (Using your logic) (same people you are willing to treat your family members as strangers of they become close fridnd with or marry or accompany to church)
Let me quickly say this because i am a man and a Nigerian first before i took the white man religion, When a man is dying, i dont care what people think about me when i am trying to help him, if me looking like an hypocrite is the price i have to pay for spreading love? For helping? then i am willing to pay that, at the end of the day the Christ you said you following didnt do his miracle in hidden places.

The hypocrisy is not about helping but blowing trumpet ahead for everyone to know what you do to help others. So don't get me wrong.
Honest hearted and sincere individuals who wants to help will not show their faces or let their names be known. But evil people who have stolen from the poor will always want everyone to see them as philanthropist in the society, because their conscience is disturbing them over the source of their wealth so they want everyone to see them as good people.
When you here of estates worth billions of dollars owned by Watchtower do you think it falls from heaven? No! It's the contributions of all members so nobody knows who contributed high or low all we know is that our God is taking good care of His worshipers with the contributions from His worshipers!

Greenholics:
So you mean dirtiness are the cause of sickness? Maybe you should explain to us how a dirty environment causes diabetes or cancer..... i am a medical doctor are you trying to tell me Jw are so clean they dont fall ill? I have personally treated alot......You see what religion does? What makes you think every rich person is evil?
first off wealthy people live in clean places because they can afford the best kind of cleaners, i put it to you if bills gate step his foot in your bathromm he will run away. (No insult intended)
Also you said who does not participate in these cleaning exercise will not enter paradise, can you back that up with a biblical reference.
But before you do that here is a link watch town dumping harmful chemicla in land fills and water bodies thus killing aquatic ecosystems and cuting off available of clean drinking water from these water bodies
https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/blog/pollution.php
You sure say watch tower people go make paradise so?

Thank God you're a medical personnel.
Now what do you think about people who depends on others to take good care of their homes? Remember the cleaners are paid to do the job not because they love to see your home clean. That's what i am saying. JWs are taught that a dirty person has nothing to do with our God. So each person strives to make sure that his homes are kept tidy since our God won't appreciate you if you're dirty.
Those paying others to clean their homes for them won't see Paradise because they're not used to doing what we are going to do there: each person taking good care of his own home!

Janosky:
Why do you love to DECEIVE yourself?
Did JWs write Malachi 3:1 & Genesis 16:7 in your Trinitarian Amplified Bible & Daniel 10:13 in your Geneva Bible published by your 3 deities worshippers?
Stop childish tantrums
Go & confirm

To them it's until you believe their magical acts over the truth in God's word that you're a believer!

Crystyano:
How is this possible?

With ATHEISM lots of things having to do with trusting your fellowman is impossible but with GOD all things (having good results) are possible!

sonmvayina:
What can you say about those that worship Ayerala...they are peaceful and just go about their stuff. What do you think they are doing wrong..?

Ó mà ṣeo?
What a pity?
You don't even know the import of PEACE!

OK let me enlighten you:

When you see people trusting weapons to prevent their fellowman from hurting them, then know that there's no PEACE in such place because peace means no one threatens anyone to do what you've all agreed upon, but when you have to put your trust in arms to prevent you neighbour from hurting you then there's no peace. WHY? both of you are scared of each other!
Do this people you're talking about have such trust that they won't have to rely on weapons or charms to feel safe in their gatherings?
If NO is the answer then there's no peace!

LordReed:
To prove it all you have to do is not lock any of your doors ever again is not in this matter you are just the same as us. LoL!

Funny you!
Go and do what i can do in any country of the world and see if you'll not be kicked out just like a criminal even in the homes of your fellow atheists. That's when you'll know that TRUST (BELIEVE) is missing everywhere except in the midst of God's people!

Workch:
I won’t believe your useless god exist until you provide evidence

The uselessness or usefulness of something is verified by result. My God has gathered over 8.7 million of people from different races throughout the earth under one umbrella and they have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally.
That's enough evidence for any right thinking person to know that a highly intelligent being is working out something!
So even when all evidence is provided before a psychopath he/she will continue to demand for it as long as his/her brains can't decipher what is happening!

Workch:
Lol
Because I refuse to believe in your imaginary friend whom you didn’t provide evidence for

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa because you thought you're wise and i've proved to you that you have nothing other than what everyone else have!

Amos 8:11

Crystyano:
If you keep quoting me,
I don't think you will gain anything....

Well i'm gaining the souls of observers who can see that being an atheist is worse than to be the most hopeless creature on this planet.

So they will continue making research to find the truth about God!

Workch:
Keep your ridiculous beliefs to yourself mate

Keep your hopelessness to yourself!

LordReed:
Yes you are the only special snowflakes in the world and Jehovah is going to dash you all the world as a reward for your specialness. LoL! Meanwhile you will secure those little things you have in you house because a bed in house is worth mansion in afterlife. Bwahahahahahaha!

There goes the former misinformed Churchgoer!

Well all i want is everlasting life not the whole world. I heard it just as you heard it but i took my time to make a research to be certain that it's possible and what's the result of my research? The same person who promised me everlasting life said
"during the time when humans throughout the world have lost the love for their fellowman but running after politics, a group of people will concentrate on what is written in the Bible, they will used what they found inside to resolve all their disparities when others are killing one another, they will divert all their resources into the production of food and information materials, they will erase the use of weapons in their hearts and never think of military services anymore!" Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

When i first read this i was still a Muslim and a soldier, i've experience the devastating effects of weapons and wars so i wish it's happening for real. Then i met Jehovah's Witnesses who are fulfilling this prophecy accurately.

There's nobody on this planet that can convince me that what i read in that book and is fulfilling in my own eyes was just from a fictional character!

Workch:
You are correct and there’s no single evidence for the existence of a god.
Thanks for validating that. Provide evidence for the god claim else it’s fairytales

Who cares what you think?

I believe in God and i'm getting the benefits, so if you don't believe it's your problem not mine nah!

Crystyano:
You won't admit that you wanted me to feel bad.....
Who cares??

I just want you to learn a lesson!

This is your comment that i responded to:

Crystyano:
Repeat that one till you die!

Lesson for you: he who lives in a glass house shouldn't be the first to throw stones!

Crystyano:
This can't hurt me......

Nobody is out to hurt you, just try to be contented with whatever you have be it little or much that's what will help so that you won't keep expecting what is not possible all in the name of God and when you're disappointed you want everyone around you to delete God from their brains simply because you only worship for selfish reasons!

Workch:
but god doesn’t exist, that’s a fact.

Facts should be backed up with undeniable evidence.
From our past discussions you're just trying to sell what has never been of any benefit to you in person. Whereas a believer is advertising what's benefitting himself and millions of his fellow believers throughout the world.
You always console yourself with the achievements of scientists that most of those achievers among them also believe in God.
So you're just deceiving himself!

Workch:
Why is it hard to read my post and ignore if it’s not paining you

It's about your worthlessness without God.
Of course you'll be left alone when you don't cross the path of people who has real life!

Workch:
aloow me run up and down in peace na?
Why are you triggered?

That's the point!
You're the one running after religionists, nobody cares whether you exist or not!

Workch:
my guy, why you dey vex because I no believe your fairytale?

Vex?
Who is running up and down after religionists?
I think it's time Ṣeun open a section for atheists, then watch if you'll see me there.
It's you who is having sleepless nights because people believe in God nah, who cares about you and what you believe?

sonmvayina:
I believe you whole heartedly...
But what happens when you worship the wrong God..?just like you do a false God (jesus)...and wallow in ignorance..
So which of the two do you pick ?

The one and only way to be certain that you're worshiping the true God is BENEFITS that others can't have. In the absence of benefits then you have nothing to do with God!

LordReed:
Also trying to prove special till we show you you are not.
Most of the people who steal shout out loud how much they believe in your god so its not unbelievers you are locking your door for but believers. LMFAO!

This is the problem you have:
When i say "believers" i'm not talking about people like you who don't know what real faith is but following the crowd to church only to come out openly when all your expectations as what your pastors taught you never came through! I'm taking about JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES who are trained to discern between right and wrong!

LordReed:
If an atheist invites me to his house and I have had a rapport with him why not? I dunno why you think this is something special. Are you living in a cave?

The point is the person inviting you already hope to get something back from you, but i'm talking about a JW who never knew me before in any part of this planet. So don't think i'm talking about your friends who have been sharing bread and butter with you in the past!