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sagenaija:
The Question No Christian Can Answer
- By David Wood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA23-bUOdTI
One of the most common accusations Christians hear from their Moslem friends is that Christians believe that 1+1+1=1. But is this what Christians believe?
What happens if we apply the same sort of analysis to Allah, Mohamed, and the Koran?
David Wood investigates.

Empiree, Lukgaf, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, motayoayinde, mhmsadyq, haekymbahd or Realismailakabir

Matthew 7:1-4

Dtruthspeaker:
1) Because Evidence can not be shown to the blind.

The is apt!
They can't cover their eyes with a thick veil and keep asking for visual aids to know who is standing right before them!

sagenaija:
So you actually knew that you deliberately left out some part of that verse in your earlier submission. Interesting!
We are not talking about people's belief systems, are we?
The question I asked was what your understanding of that verse is. Not on what people believe about 'child', 'son', 'God', etc.
The latter part of that verse says: "And he will be called ......."
Who will be called ......?
Called what (what is he called)?
Again, you appear not to want to be straightforward. Rather than let the scripture speak to you the opposite is what you are doing; superimposing your organisation's position on the scripture.
MaxinDHouse, can you have a go at that second portion of that verse from "And he will be called ......." and let us know what your understanding of it is?
Or at least use the two questions above to approach it.

This doesn't have to do with what organization says rather it's my own personal conviction after careful reading , diligent study, thorough meditation, discussing with several people and heartfelt prayer to God on what i read in that verse! Proverbs 2:1-5

So there's no need beating about the bush you too have the same verse in your Bible why not tell me (not us) what you understand because i believe it's the two of us that's chatting on what we both read in the Bible now!

sonmvayina:
MaxInDHouse my friend, you don't need to belong to a group or Cult in other to obey God's commandments.

Each time you come quoting me and trying to prove you have something tangible to say i just laugh because i know you're spiritually empty.

KNOWLEDGE is the accumulation of useful information! Atheists, Agnostics, Hindus, Buddhists, Churchgoers, Traditionalists, Jehovah's Witnesses and so on all have knowledge about morality and they will surely inculcate in the hearts of their children what they know.
But
WISDOM is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of accumulated information which results in lasting benefits. Only those truly connected to God can possess this.

You always talk about the Torah whereas the Traditionalists in my village knows nothing about Torah yet they're teaching their children moral conduct.
So where exactly did the human society go wrong?
It is lack of an organization monitoring each family. Back in the days of Moses the Torah says if a member of a family begins taking up a bad habit, it's the responsibility of the family head to caution him/her, but what if such a person lacks respect for the family head?
Then he/she should be reported to the entire ORGANIZATION of God's people and the person will be given a fair chance to defend himself/herself, if found guilty then the whole assembly must stone him/her to death. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

Do you think God doesn't know what he is saying before asking the family head to report to the ORGANIZATION?

So my friend you surely have knowledge but WISDOM only belongs to Jehovah's Witnesses.

Thanks for your time!

sonmvayina:
Family of course....

Sincerity is my watchword!
Each family will teach their children what they know, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Christendom, Atheist, Agnostic, Traditionalist, Jehovah's Witness.
All these people have their nuclear families and surely they will all teach their children what they know about morality, but when there is no connectivity that is when each family will be affected by what is happening around them.
In the human society we have laws and each family is teaching their members not to ignore the societal rules but when there is no reminders and encouragement as in seminars where both young and old are gathered to discuss on what is affecting the society as a whole then decadence will gradually find it's way into the society.
That's the importance of a group acting like monitor to encourage each individual from different families, so even when the decadence has been affecting a family a SINCERE member of that same family may be helped to stay on course by the group or organization!

Greenholics:
Why do you think so sir/ma?

I have been a Muslim from birth though not really the religious type because there are many questions that keeps popping up in my mind and i couldn't find anyone in Islam to answer so i just continue back then because it's better than atheism at least.
Today i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses cause all those questions were answered satisfactorily by the Witnesses so i decided to become one of them and ever since then i've been serious about sacred matters.
It may seem like all religions have their flaws but i can prove it anytime anywhere and before anyone that to be religious is a million times better than being an atheist!

Detuner:
Polygamy this, Polygamy That, ah ah.....There is no where in the bible that says polygamy is a sin.

They had money to take care of more than one man so they married two men and some three men under the same roof.
Surely polygamy is trending not only in Africa and the Bible never condemn polygamy!

sagenaija:
You have taken space to express your views here. But you conveniently avoided a portion of the place I gave you.
Interesting!

It all depends on the interpretation you find fitting, most religionists concentrate mostly on where Isaiah said Mighty God and Everlasting Father, JWs beleive that there are many Gods {1Corinthians8:5} and Gods are Mighty spirit beings or humans {Psalms 82:1, 6} Adam is the father of all humankind what we inherited from him along with our existence is SICKNESS, SUFFERING AND DEATH.
Archangel Michael (Jesus Christ) has come to pay for the sin of all OBEDIENT mankind so in replacement of our dead father Adam, Jesus will become our father who will never die again but continue to be a life giving SPIRIT! 1Corinthians 15:45

Yippeedaniel:
You Sabi am well, em call other false religion, worldly people. Satan. Na only 6million of em wan inherit this earth. Jw no reach 8 million n the yearly hour they claim to preach is falsify

The population of the world wasn't recorded in Noah's day but only 8 people survived the flood, Jesus said:

"Just as it occurred in the days of Noah" Luke 17:26

Well Noah and all the survivors were in the same Ark having the same line of thought just as JWs belongs to one organization having the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

Yippeedaniel:
My wife wan kill me with joy..

We still treat each other like lovebirds after 23 years, back then we weren't JWs but after we both became JWs everything changed and we are now trying our best so that our boys and grandson don't experience what we faced before we dedicated our lives to Jehovah!
But most importantly we want to make sure that the legacy is set for our children, grandchildren and grade grandchildren!

sagenaija:
Interesting!

The man coming to do all that was with God during creation, he is God's first creature {Colossians 1:15-16} and out of all the creatures God instructed him to make humans are his choicest! Proverbs 8:22-31

Whether the world accept or not we know that he is the first spirit creature the Archangel Michael:


And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. Daniel 12:1-3

Highlighted in red:
[1] Archangel Michael stands up for God's people (faithful people throughout the earth) John 3:16

[2] He will fight to rescue God's faithful servants throughout the earth but then Satan will angrily come to attack the rest of God's people who are still on planet earth {Revelations 12:7-12} after Satan has been destroyed all those whose names are missing (those that failed to connect to God through him) will be destroyed! Revelations 20:15

[3]He will call and the dead will answer his voice is what will do that! 1Thessalonians 4:16

[4]All the survivors will continue to shine brightly few in heaven and billions on Paradise Earth! Matthew 5:3,5

We strongly believe he is Archangel Michael and ever since we know this Michael has been actively working so many things globally, he has gathered millions of people as his subjects throughout the earth they are all humbly following the same arrangement {John 17:20-23} they have agreed to settle all their racial disparities among themselves, they have eradicated racism and politics in their midst, they have diverted all their resources into production of food and information materials, they have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone no matter what happens and they have erased military services from their hearts! Micah 4:1-3

After seeing all these whoever feels he knows Jesus better than them should present a better performing group than JWs!

Yippeedaniel:
Not matter of age.. My kids send u greetings

Wish your joy last till your oldage!

Yippeedaniel:
They'll worship the gods. You think juju go ever go into extinction?

Please don't be offended, how old are you?

Because the matter on ground is much more than either a good wife, husband or worship.
It's about higher intelligence!

Yippeedaniel:
Jw? Your mean watchtower publishing company, i love those real estate business people.

Continue hurting yourself with matters of people who don't even know you exist, instead of concentrating on your shrine wife!

sonmvayina:
Lol..was it jw?

Forget about JWs now try to focus on what you asked:

Between a family and an organization of people from different races, which can we rely upon to uphold moral standards successfully?

sonmvayina:
Who do you blame? Whose door steps are you putting the failure? Definable not because they did not belong to jw..

God is about people coming from different cultures to uphold the same standard not each family trying to uphold it.
The secret is because each family is envying the other so if a child from one family is going against moral laws but bringing fortune to the family they will cover it in order for other families not to know their secret.
So it will not work as long as there is rivalry and envy, but a group like JWs don't promote envy that's why there is peace among all the difference families, races and tribes that came together under the Organization.
If someone among JWs is disfellowshiped in Nigeria throughout the earth he/she will be shunned by all members of the organization for going against the rules binding the global family as one.
That's why the organization is much more reliable than families because families will forget the rules due to envy but a global organization will not treat anyone with nepotism!

Onewazobia:
Hello brethren please help me out
After given once life to Jesus and walking faithfully ( humanly speaking) is there need for any further deliverance? If yes could it be that the power of the blood of Christ is limited, or I'm I missing something?
Please note; that I desire a genuine response from scripture not based on your denominational doctrines but based on scripture and possibly please sit few practical examples from the early followers of Christ and the disciple ( Bible). Please anything out of this don't border responding
My believed as at this point is that when one gave his/her life genuinely to Jesus Christ you need no further deliverance because there is no curse greater than the curse of sin and death Gal3:1, Deu. 21:23, 1John 7

Let me ask you this question first, deliverance from what exactly!

Yippeedaniel:
Men me and almighty God no get issue.. What I'm trying to say is if i find love in unbelieva ill stay Dia n won't make her a believer

Nobody is disturbing you not to leave your life the way you choose nah, but crossing the border and castigating people who also chose to live theirs the way they know best is what we are talking now!
JWs chose to be JWs and they're not stopping you from living your life anyhow you want to live it, so why are you always complaining about what they are doing when you have chosen your own path and nobody is coming to castigate you over it?

Yippeedaniel:
Make me find my own eve from shrine.. At least steady goat chewing and drinking

It's not about a good wife per say but what will generation from such marriage later maybe during their lifetime or when they're no more!

sonmvayina:
Question 3
Did God ask us to belong to a group outside of our family before we can obey his laws ?

YES!
Korah was the head of his family himself and his children belong to the Organization of God's people but when Korah decided to leave the arrangement his sons stick to what binds God's people together. That's why God preserved Korah's children but Korah and all those who kicked against Moses died!
So if Korah's children had stick to their family setting instead of the Organization of God's people they would have perished with their father!

sonmvayina:
That's what family is for...encourage each other and teach each other family values and traditions. There is really no need for the whole town to gather in a place just to teach people to honour their parents or don't lie or don't steal or don't steal...these laws has been written in our heart.

I disagree with the bolded!
Not all families are virtuous and it's what they do that their children will emulate.
You're here always talking about the Torah, let's take for instance God's law regarding premarital sex, in ancient times most tribes see it as a taboo for a young woman who is not married not to be a virgin but gradually they began giving in to what is en vogue until where we are today.
Do you still know any family who are strictly adhering to that again today?

But had it been there was a group of people keeping it whether the families take it seriously or not within such a group they will uphold it and continue encouraging one another not to give in to the decadence going on around whether the families are keeping it or not.
Back then families do have the tradition of keeping a form of trade so that their children will continue it but today everyone wants to be rich at all cost so the crafts and trade are no longer taken seriously most of the youths are into Yahoo Plus and so far they are making money most parents welcome the development. So if we're to rely on families it's a complete failure!

sonmvayina:
Question 2 why do you think so?

Because bad association spoils useful habits so a group of people having the same line of thought on honouring the elderly will continue to encourage themselves on why they must continue to honour the elderly ones in their midst whether such elderly person is virtuous or not!

sonmvayina:
Let us take it 1 step at a time just answer yes or no
1. Do I need to be in a group to obey God's laws ?
Eg do I need to be in a group to honour my parents?

YES!

Ijaycool:
hmmm is this what Jehova advises?

When people treat us with contempt face to face it's not easy meeting the same people on faceless social media without showing them a piece of our mind.
So what exactly do you want to know about us? Please go straight to your question no abbreviations!

sonmvayina:
You understand what I am saying but God has hardened your heart to resist it. Beware of what is coming next...

Of course i can understand that you're confused!
If .01% of the world's population are practicing what you are saying won't you be bold to present them as example of people having faith?
But because no organized people are known for it you're not ready to listen to any other person yet you say God is consciousness and each of us is God, then you say reincarnation will be the punishment for those who failed to yield to what you're saying, then you say they will be punished again.
Abeg which one you dey gangan!

sonmvayina:
MaxInDHouse my friend, you don't need to belong to a group or Cult in other to obey God's commandments..you don't need to. God never asked us to. Where you got the idea of group is beyond me. I don't need to be a Jehovah's Witness to honor my parents. I just do it effortlessly. When I think I did anything to annoy them I ask for forgiveness and confess to God and try not to next time. That is all God wants...if we all do keep it like he commanded the world will be at peace....and he will send us the Messiah.and we will truly witness the messianic era...no more suffering and oppression..

You call an organization of believers "CULT" then you said:

sonmvayina:
Come back and follow God's laws like the quote above...I am keeping them. I know you can.

So it's you who belong to no known group that is not a cult shey?
Ògbéni go and fetch members for your cult elsewhere!

sonmvayina:
I love this quote from Micah , but you seem not to understand it at all. You are trying so hard to bring Jesus into your comment when Micah never said anything of sort. He is talking about the messianic age and you guys worshipping idols coming to meet them to teach you guys about the God of Israel. And how to follow God's laws.

There is no Jesus in Judaism. To them Christianity is just same old rebranded paganism with a different name. They stick to their God who happens to be the creator of the universe.
What I am simply doing is drawing your attention to the fact that there is only one God who created heaven and earth and has given us laws to keep in other for peace to reign on earth.

The Messiah he did promise is from the root of David through Solomon. Neither the genealogies in Mathew and Luke can produce the Messiah.. I mean what is the purpose of them anyway if Jesus is not Joseph's son. More things to ponder about in the Christian Bible.

The Messiah will come just once and do those things God said he would. That is how he will be recognized. Not miracles or magic...

Come back and follow God's laws like the quote above...I am keeping them. I know you can.

I've told you several times that God's word is alive and it exerts power, so if you can't present a practical application of what you're saying then you're just another agitating liar deceiving yourself!
Micah is talking about Jehovah's Witnesses and everything he said is fulfilling exactly has he said so if you don't know any group of people fulfilling that prophecy then you're deceiving yourself!

The second coming of Christ will be in two forms, first he will come as a spirit being that nobody will see physically but his true disciples will perceive that their King is around! Luke 18:8
His coming is the reorganize faithful people claiming Christians and start teaching them many things that has been lost during the times the churches of Christendom went off course.
Then the whole world will see a sign:

But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Micah 4:1-3

Jesus will use God's Holy Spirit to control them and they will start gathering people together from all races, they will teach them the things God wants, and the result: they will settle all their racial disparities, they will all agree to divert all their resources to production of food and information materials, they will not think of weapons nor military services anymore!


When you see this happening then know that Jesus the Messiah is here in spirit because he must first gather all his people under one umbrella {Matthew 13:30} make them share the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} then the plans to destroy the rest will begin! Matthew 16:27

Yippeedaniel:
Really? Don't worry about me and my kids. The marriage God did in eden. You dey see the results?.

That's what we are discussing hear now!

According to the STORY Adam love Eve and they were really compatible but one choose to rebel against God and drew the other after her, the consequences is what the whole world is experiencing now!

Yippeedaniel:
WT and so many silly applications of Bible prophecies. 7 trumpet blasts of the book of Revelation. Red revelation book.

Yippeedaniel:
Men i don't have time for all that law. I marry her if i love her. I'm not marrying inda lord. I'm marry her not her religion

You reminded me of a Nigeria lawyer (SAN) who was agitating about the result of an election, he wanted to remove the winner of the election so he started travelling to all the places the governor elect said he schooled and after gathering all what he called evidence against the governor elect. He got to court with so much files in his hands.
All the lawyers were afraid to stand against him but a baby lawyer stepped forward and facing the jury he said:
"Please am i permitted to ask my senior advocate a question?"
The judge asked:
"Does it has to do with the case?"
He responded
"Very relevant Sir"
So the Judge said:
"You may proceed"

The baby lawyer now faced our senior advocate and asked:
"My oga sir, i know you love this country so much and you want this country to move forward. Please did you cast a vote during the last election?"

Our senior advocate got provoked:

"What stupid question is this?"

Then the jury asked the baby lawyer:

"Mr Man i asked you earlier if your question has anything to do with this case on ground, so are you still on course?"

"The baby lawyer humbly responded:
My Lord, with all honesty this question is very very relevant to the case on ground please entreat my senior advocate to answer accordingly"

So the jury told our senior advocate:
"Please Mr SAN just answer this boy"

Our senior advocate said:

"I never voted neither did i even register at all, so what are you insinuating?"

Then the baby lawyer said before the whole court:

"We are here discussing about the election we all came out to conduct, we went out during the rain and most people during the sunshine just to register and cast the vote, but you who never cared about everything we've been doing now popped out from nowhere only to come telling us what we should do about OUR ELECTION AND GOVERNOR ELECT!
Don't you think that's beyond you?
Please my Lord i'll implore everyone here to tell my senior advocate to leave this court now because he never cared about the election from the onset"

Our senior advocate was humiliated out of the court premises while everyone was shouting OLÈ! OLÈ!! OLÈ!!!
meaning THIEF! THIEF!! THIEF!!!

So Mr Yippeedaniel, you have no regards for whatever is written in that book (Bible) please what exactly concerns you with those who truthfully put their trust in that book or what they believe?

Yippeedaniel:
Guy this is life and Nigerian and its 2021. I'm not marrying for God. Na me go go through all da Ups n down not God.

You goofed big time!

Indiscriminate marriage alliance contributed largely to decadence in the human society today and it's affecting all of us, our children and grandchildren, if the first human couple (Adam and Eve) never took the wrong step the world would have been a Paradise today.
So don't underestimate the negative effects interfaith marriages will cause, you and your wife will just experience a little generations to come will continue to pay dearly for it!

Yippeedaniel:
Guy religion don't make her a good wife. I have friends that marry super religious girls but they're not good wives. I have friends that marry out of the lord n they're enjoying thier marriages. What I'm saying is i don't do religious tribalism. I can't be your friend just because you're a Christian or Muslim or juju worshipper. When doing business i take religion off, when loving i take religion (barrier) off.. If i meet a great gal with perfect character and she likes me. We stay together, while she's worshipping her juju, I'll help her buy kaikai while returning from church ( last time i went to church was over 10yrs ago Sha).. That's unconditional love

The reason you need to know why God instructed His people to marry only within their fellow believers.
It has little to do with being a good wife or husband!