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Yippeedaniel:
The nigga didn't commit suicide..
Read (Acts 1:18)

Then Judas, his betrayer, seeing that Jesus had been condemned, felt remorse and brought the 30 pieces of silver back to the chief priests and elders, saying: “I sinned when I betrayed innocent blood.” They said: “What is that to us? You must see to it!” So he threw the silver pieces into the temple and departed. Then he went off and hanged himself. But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said: “It is not lawful to put them into the sacred treasury, because they are the price of blood.”  After consulting together, they used the money to buy the potter’s field as a burial place for strangers. Therefore, that field has been called Field of Blood to this very day. Matthew 27:3-8

He be like say you don forget say nah JW you dey follow yan for Bible matter?

Yippeedaniel:
The September 2015 JW Broadcast on tv.jw.org explained that the generation included any anointed that met Frederick William Franz, as he was born and baptised prior to 1914.

We know it's demons (fallen angels) talking not you because they're worried about the day they will be destroyed:

It was revealed to them that they were ministering, not to themselves, but to you, regarding what has now been announced to you by those who declared the good news to you with holy spirit sent from heaven. Into these very things, angels are desiring to peer! 1Peter 1:12

Yippeedaniel:
[color=#000099][/color] depression is a very big problem in the org. That's why every WT or awake and public talks is always about depression and the best way to make them feel better is promise them paradise. Paradise isn't coming in the next 100yrs

2Peter 3:3

Yippeedaniel:
Judas was not a Jw. HE didn't die off depression.

OK he died by suicide, shey?
What leads to suicide if not depression?

bobestman:
Why then do you always come for me in any thread I expose the lies in Religion?
You are the one who need the sitting down so you will meditate and find out that you are being led by the Spirit of Religion and JW and not by the Spirit of the Sovereign Father. I had told you and will tell you again, the true and narrow way is not in Religion. Religion is the broad way that leads to destruction. Anyone can teach anything but if you don't know the history, origin and spiritually understand, innerstand and overstand what you teach...you are a False Teacher!

Whose words is the highlighted if not that of Jesus the founder of Christianity? (a religion)

Ògbéni you're a clown but i'll allow you to continue dancing round the circus!

TenQ:
Are you saying that
Jude 1:6 is a symbolic expression of what happened to the Angels that left their abode?

Eternal punishment (death without hope of coming back)

TenQ:
I believe our discussion is not about the Paradise of God (which is after resurrection) but the state of the dead BEFORE the resurrection.
This is what Paul refers to as : "Home with the LORD"

The dead will remain dead in their graves until they're called:

because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord! 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

Paul believe that the first to resurrect are those who believe in the teachings of Christ (Christians) so where will they be before they are called? John 5:28-29

tctrills:
So it's note like Jesus commanded we marry only one wife but you are trying to explain your beliefs with his words.
You seem to be putting words into Christ mouth.
You act live Jesus can't express himself clearly and he needs you to do the explaining for him.
If you most be honest, no where in the verse you quoted was against marrying more wives.
We should be one with our wives true but it never stated we can't be one with more than one wife.
The entire body of believers are expected to be one with themself. So what really is your point.
Also I disagree with you that we should disregard the teachings of the old testament.
If there is any part of the old testament that was changed by Christ, it's only the law of Moses. Every teaching in the old testament is the word of God.
Speaking about the believers, Christ said "Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one"

Well i think his first century followers fully grasp what he taught before saying:

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach! 1Timothy 3:2

Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 1Timothy 3:12

So if you're not contented with all these i think you can marry as many as you wish just as a woman also have the right to marry more husbands after all there is no scripture that says they shouldn't do so!

bobestman:
I can't be wasting my time on you. I have told you many things. Go and read them. The things you said up there you don't know how it will happen. All you know is what they told you in JW. Many things I tell you are not my words but they are truth and older than even your Ancestors cos this is the Age of Light - all lost knowledge since the First Day shall be revealed. Many since the 3rd Day were already in error and you ppl that are in the Last Day that the errors had tripled think you know it all. All the errors must pass out before the Truth comes to overtakes them

Ògbéni you have nothing to offer so go and sit down somewhere!

TenQ:
Is Jude1:6 a literal event? Did it happen exactly as stated or it is symbolic?
And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.

The angels committed sexual immorality with female humans {Genesis 6:1-2} after God destroyed that generation with flood the angels dropped their materialised bodies and went back to heaven but God didn't allow them back in the midst of his loyal spirit sons {1Peter 3:19-20} so the chains and darkness means they're no longer able to return to their position. For instance when a human is kept in chains and darkness we know that he can't mingle with free humans that's the import of what you're reading, those angels no longer know what God is planning or the future of mankind therefore they're worried and looking for God's people to whom God will reveal the sacred secrets! 1Peter 1:12

So when you hear people agitating about what the JWs are saying about the endtime or date God is coming to destroy the wicked, know today that it's not those people that are really interested in whatever JWs are saying because they already thought we are nonentities, rather it's those fallen angels they are worshiping that's instigating them to come and agitate why JWs have refused to the them the exact day of judgment!

TenQ:
Any scripture i present, wont you say its a parable?
2Cor 5:8
8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Is the grave the home of Christ?
Phil 1:23
23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far;
Why isn't this scripture say "to depart and be in the grave"?
So, Maximus, when you die and leave this world, where will you be? (in the grave or with Christ?)

All faithful servants of God believe that they will remain in their graves until they're called back to life {Job 14:13-15} Jesus himself said a time is coming when all those in the grave will hear his voice and come out {John 5:28-29 Paul also confirmed that there is going to be a resurrection! Act 24:15
So if i die today i'm not going anywhere but wait in my grave to be called back to life just as Jesus called Lazarus! John 11:44
As for Paul who said he will be with the Lord that's totally a different topic entirely but i will not leave you in the dark on that.
Jesus' kingdom supposed to be established in Jerusalem {Isaiah 2:3} so that's where all prophets of ancient times believe that they will be with the Christ {Act 1:6} but Jerusalem has been polluted with the blood of many prophets of God and finally Jesus Christ was persecuted, accused, arraigned, charged, judged, sentenced and executed in Jerusalem, that's why Jesus foretold that Jerusalem can no longer receive such a glory {Matthew 23:37-38} this made his disciples devastated and totally confused, the question now is "where are they going to stay to rule the earth with the Christ?" that's why Jesus made the popular statement found at John 14:1-4
This limited number of co-rulers {Luke 12:32} are the ones going to anywhere Jesus goes not all faithful people {Revelations 14:4} the rest will enjoy everlasting life here on planet earth.
So Jesus made a distinction when he said some will be in heaven {Matthew 5:3} while the rest will inherit the earth! Matthew 5:5
I belong to the other sheep Jesus talked about {John 10:16} so my place is not heaven but earth! Psalms 37:9-11, 29

TenQ:
Where is heaven?
Is heaven so small it can only be the throne room of God?
John 14:2
2 In My Father’s house are many [a]mansions; if it were not so, [b]I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.


Is it impossible for there to exist a place for the dead (SHEOL) where righteous souls like Abraham, Isaac, Moses, Paul, Peter etc are?

Earth is where God designed for mankind but heaven is for spirit life not physical {Psalms 115:16} so all those who lived until John the baptist can't go to heaven because the initiation of co-rulers with Christ has not been done {Matthew 11:11} it was established at Pentecost so the counting began from the first 11 Apostles of Christ who will be the foundation of that arrangement {Matthew 19:28} their names were written on the foundation stones of God's kingdom in heaven! Revelations 21:14
So from Abel to John the baptist are not going to heaven rather their own share is everlasting life on planet earth!

TenQ:
Abraham Isaac and Jacob are living because they are NOT dead as God is not he God of the dead but of the living. Only their bodies are dead and probably long buried, but their real essence is living (Soul/Spirit).
Ecclesiastes 12:7-9
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Eccl specifically says where the righteous go at death (its not just memory or memory book as you have described it)
They are like Angels who though have no physical bodies are Living Beings

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are still sleeping in their graves until now!
What Jesus meant here is that God has written their names in the list of those who will be resurrected, Apostle Paul under inspiration listed their names and called them Witnesses whose names is already in God's memory book! Hebrews 11:4-32
Many other faithful ones will join them and we will welcome them back to life here on earth because it's Christians that will be resurrected first so that the last faithful person to die will be the first to be resurrected! Matthew 19:30

May you have PEACE!

tctrills:
That's not even the discussion.
You justified your point with the writing of Moss in Genesis and not with the utterances of Christ. So it's a bit dishonest now for you to point me to the utterance of Christ as if you quoted his words and I disagreed.

Since we must all quote Jesus, what did he say about marrying more than 1 wife?
My you have peace

I love the way you accept that Jesus has the final say, God will surely bless you for that.

Well he said:

In reply he said: “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? Matthew 19:4-5

There are three points here:
IN THE BEGINNING:
Jesus is here talking about the initiation of marriage!

God made THEM MALE and FEMALE. Note the pronoun THEM which all of us know that Jesus was referring to TWO persons, then MALE (not MALES) and FEMALE (not FEMALES)

Then in the second highlighted:

Jesus said "the TWO will become ONE"

The reason for all these is because Jesus is taking us back to Paradise where there will be no mourning, crying, pain, hatred or rivalry.
So if people or prophets in the past couldn't decipher this, it's not their fault because the Messiah (Christ) who happens to be with the true God has not come to establish how things ought to be! John 4:25

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

paltielx:
Depression are caused by what satan system of things brings on each individual, not by the Jw believes. People have been commiting suicides as a result of depression, i never know of heard of any JW doing it. A people who serves a happy God has reasons to live in this world

The highlighted is a misconception Sir!

ExJWs do commit suicide. Take for example one brother in the first century whose name was "Judas Iscariot" he served Jehovah along with Jesus and the other Apostles but later he backslide and fell for the love of money.
The former brother later discovered that all what he was looking for outside Jehovah's arrangement is worthless and he has lost the favour in the midst of Jesus' disciples so he committed suicide.
The same is happening today, but whoever remain focused on the teachings of God's people will always rejoice that he is serving God in the right place!

haekymbahd:
We know, who sent the demons to deceive prophets.
I kings
20 And the Lord said, Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? One said this way, another said that way.
21Then there came forth a spirit [of whom I am about to tell] and stood before the Lord and said, I will entice him.
22 The Lord said to him, By what means? And he said, I will go forth and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets. [The Lord] said, You shall entice him and succeed also. Go forth and do it.
23 So the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets; and the Lord has spoken evil concerning you.
You said God won't intervene but we see here that he was the one sending the deceiving spirits

You misconstrued everything my friend!

Here you're talking about Ahab (a king) who gathered false prophets when Elijah the true prophet of God is in Israel. Your brother quoted where God said he will deceive a prophet not a King.
For your information, the King already knew that those surrounding him are not the prophets of the true God (Jehovah) but rather they are prophets of Baal. So those prophets need to say something and they need to see something before speaking that's what happened there. But in the case of a true prophet who later became materialistic God is the one using him but He will no more use him now that he wants to monetize God's work.
That's what we are saying!

TenQ:
Jude1:6 is symbolic but Jude1:7 is literal!?

And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day. In the same manner, Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah and the cities around them also gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality and pursued unnatural fleshly desires; they are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire.
Jude 1:6-7

What exactly do you mean?

tctrills:
I lover your logic but you are still depending on human wisdom not revelation.
True, God created Adam and Eve but he did not teach that man can't marry more than one woman that is your own addition.
Going by your argument,if God intends one man one wife then the population of men and women should always be the same.
We can use the argument both ways but it would still be human wisdom.
My point is, the bible never revealed the mind of God in that subject and it's wrong to assume God's reason for creating only one woman for Adam.
The early prophets married many wives and it was not counted unto them as sin.
In fact, in rebuking David, Samuel told him that he was allowed to marry as many wives as he wanted but his sin was in going after another man's wife.

Now you're coming to where i want you to be!

Jesus is the only begotten son of God {Matthew 17:5} all those people were prophets through whom God spoke with the Israelites so the Israelites can copy them but today God is speaking to the entire mankind using His only begotten Son no more following what prophets sent to Israelites were doing back then! Hebrews 1:1-2

So if you want to have everlasting life stop thinking about what the prophets sent to Israel did, concentrate on the utterances of Jesus who was sent to SAVE the whole world! John 3:16

May you have PEACE!

sagenaija:
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If you are looking for those practicing what Jesus taught the next thing is not to ask 'what are the WORKS of your faith!'. The first next thing to ask is 'what did Jesus teach?'.

Of course, the disciples are our immediate point of reference. What did they say Jesus taught?

So, don't behave as if you're the first set of people to understand Jesus and what he stood for. There were the immediate disciples Jesus. Then those who followed them. What did they tell us about what Jesus taught and what did they think about Jesus? Christianity did not start in 1914 nor should the 21st century Christians think they know better than the first century believers.

You drop verses here and there but don't explain them.

Do you think this has anything to do with Jesus:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
Isaiah 9:6 NIV

Well Jesus said:

By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Matthew 7:16-18

And James said:

Nevertheless, someone will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” James 2:18

Remember Jesus also said:

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness! Matthew 7:21-23

So each group will claim their teaching is right and they will quote the scriptures to support whatever they're teaching but it's the result that will expose them. That's what Jesus the founder of this religion said!

Yippeedaniel:
Jw n immorality or fornication... Majority of the sisters age 19 to 25 born and raised in the organization or not virgins. The street can tell about thier sharing formula to non believer. (wolf in sheep clothing,). Those in da uni are worst. While the young men can't keep they dc in they tight pants.. If it's was God spirit leading self control will be there. (1,006 alleged perpetrators of child sexual abuse, relating to more than 1,800 victims since 1950,) Only in Australia. Think about Africa, Nigeria. Only God knows.

See cry cry baby!

People are zealously preaching and teaching industriously in all your neighbourhood about their God, they have eradicated racism and politics that's leading you and your people into killing one another at will, and they have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally. Isaiah 2:2-4
And all you want to say is "they are not virgins" was Jesus and his first century Jewish disciples gathering virgins?
Is it not the same sinners that they were trying to make forgo their old personality?

Ògbéni, there is no group of worshipers where virgins are kept so that is what individuals are battling to overcome for now, what Jesus promised that we will see to be sure that this is God's people is the UNITY {John 17:22} and LOVE {John 13:34-35} that binds them together and Jehovah's Witnesses already have that nobody can deny it so your preconceived judgment about God's people is nullified!

abdelrahman:
Mr insight then explain deceit that Yahweh was talking about there.

There were prophets in ancient times that God used to speak to His people but some became materialistic due to the way people regards them, they feel it's wrong if they are highly respected in the society but they have nothing to show for it.
Then they try to monetize their services then God will no longer use them but a demon will start appearing to them claiming he is God Almighty and God will not intervene until the materialistic prophet is exposed and dealt with ruthlessly. That is where the deceit comes in not that God will deceive a honest and faithful prophet, He (God) said:

For Jehovah God is a sun and a shield; He gives favor and glory. Jehovah will not hold back anything good From those walking in integrity. Psalms 84:11

May you have PEACE!

anu3:
Ok... Sorry for stylishly arguing as you claimed.
Take care

Farewell!

tctrills:
What do you mean by sensitive.
The scriptures were clear, we cannot add or subtract.
God always tells us his desire for us. He wouldn't leave us in the darkness and allow us figure out his comments using our logic.
Their is a grave danger in depending on human wisdom to figure our eternal truths. As Christians we depend on revelation's for eternal truths.
Where God has not spoken, it's wrong for man to judge.

Well the Bible has been completed so anyone talking about Revelations of some other sought now is ADDING to what God says.
Jesus said God created Adam and Eve in the beginning.
Adam was given one wife by the creator so it's wrong to jump that protocol and move on to having more than one wife.
Some women today are having two husbands under one roof and sleeping with both of them, the same is applicable to them!

Acehart:
Regarding faithlessness: could you explain this words of Jesus as one with the Spirit of Truth- “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:1
Faith is about what we learned from God's word and we can perceive with our eyes of faith but unbelievers can't see nor perceive because it's not here visibly.
Eternal punishment (non-existence) awaits Satan and his demons but the descendants of Adam (who never took part in the rebellion that happened in the garden of Eden) only happened to suffer temporary punishment because we have all inherited sin from Adam.
Permanent destruction is not meant for Adam's descendants but for Satan, demons, Adam and Eve. So on the day Jesus will establish God's kingdom on this planet, all faithless people will face the same judgment (permanent death) like Satan, demons, Adam and Eve! Revelations 20:15

Acehart:
Please explain the bold texts
Then, explain the meaning of the verse about the punishment of the wicked from the Book of Job: Sulfur (Brimstone) will be scattered on his home (flesh). He will be driven from the light into the darkness

Permanent destruction is symbolized by refuse dump-sight where fire always burn, in ancient times sulphur (brimstone) is sometimes added to aid speedy burning of the refuse and carcasses of death animals so it doesn't stink or cause pollution in the air.
That's what will happen to the evildoers there will not be a place for them in God's Kingdom:

For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth.  Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. Psalms 37:9-11

So God is talking about their whereabout not their bodies because both the good and the evildoers will loose their bodies at death, only the righteous will be remembered for a resurrection while evildoers will be completely forgotten! Psalms 9:17

bobestman:
Hahaha I dont argue here. I only correct ppl like you bragging about their Denominations which will soon become Desolation. And those teaching what they never know the Origin. They never know the deep and secret thing about Religion. And as I told you earlier, take it or thrash it.

Already your ideas is in the trash so repeating it makes no sense.
People need to be enlightened that's why Jesus ordered us to go preaching and teaching in our neighbourhood but since you're saying the true knowledge will soon come i don't think your assertion makes any sense because many have died, many are dying presently and many will still die so what stupidity is your stupid god saying if everyone should wait what about those who have died?
So my friend your opinion belongs to the trash!

anu3:
Ok friend, please forget it, we can't achieve anything trying to argue. But I think I should write this before I stop (to avoid argument, a sin). I wish there's nothing Dangerous about your group. But how can I show you now, for you to even test a little, as you're heavily involved in your group, and you can only use their lense to view things, not the gift of God, the Holy Spirit.

My concern is you said you were a Muslim. Oh, both are rooted in deception but the latter is better in the sense that you wouldn't claim you're a Christian in any case if you had remained there. But now you believe you are a Christian when you don't even believe Jesus is One with God (as in Father, Son and the Holy Spirit). (John 10:30, John 14:8-12, John 1)

Can I Imagine a true christian equalizing Moses and Jesus (the ONLY Begotten Son of God, John 3:16) because of Exodus 7:1 (God told Moses, "I have made you as God to Pharaoh...". Hence, Moses now equals the ONLY Begotten Son of God, Jesus?

Friend, I'm done. I can't force you. But please, I must warn you (if you think I've got some sense), please don't make mortal men or a group your standard: make the Holy Spirit: hear from Him first before you settle for a church or group.

Rom.8.14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. (Not by men or group first of all).

I'm done, friend. If I don't write you again, it's not because I'm offended, but trying not to argue or impose myself on you. I've done my part: I leave the rest with God alone.

Goodbye.

The funny thing about you is stylishly arguing then trying to run away with your "Goodbye"
But let me enlighten you.

The Catholic Church initiated the TRINITY doctrines it's not written anywhere in the Bible most of the Churches around you carried the trinity doctrines from the Catholics (not in the Bible) yet they are protesting against Catholic.

Well i believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and i was baptized as one of JWs in the name of the father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. So i believe all of that but the same Bible that says:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was John 1:1

Also say:

And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Exodus 7:1

Then Apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet coming in the manner of Moses:

And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.,For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever, he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear, that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Act 3:20-23

The highlighted in red is not my own words but that of Apostle Peter, so if you ignore that and start arguing over divinity is your beliefs founded on what is written in the scriptures or a dogma that's generally acceptable to other churches?

Well i am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES we don't follow popular dogmas rather we stick to what is written in the scriptures.
Jesus is God's only begotten Son and we know what that means! John 3:16

May you have PEACE!

tctrills:
You don't use logic to answer questions of faith you use the scripture. Having more than 1 wife is not condemned in the bible.

God allowed faithful people to learn from the experience of those who engage in what can bring harm, the laws only emphasize on what could lead moral, mental and spiritual decadence. But when it's sensitive issues like this one God will not dictate but allow time for humans to know why he created one woman for Adam! Romans 15:4; 1Corinthians 10:11

May you have PEACE!

Kayberg:
“And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,”
— Matthew 19:4 (KJV)

JESUS CHRIST was clear enough there.

Critics may say he never said "One man and One woman" that's why further expatiation is needed to clear any doubt.
Thanks may God bless you and may you have PEACE!

anu3:
Oh, I see... ( at the bolded).
Anyway...
Take care.

I believe what is written in the scriptures!
May you have PEACE!

When Jesus (God's only begotten Son) talked about marriage he laid emphasis on the beginning where God created One man and One woman the God initiated the first marriage. So Jesus came to redeem mankind so that we can regain what Adam lost, for any of us to have everlasting life we must comply with the standard God set IN THE BEGINNING! Matthew 19:4
Polygamy was allowed because Adam and Eve rebelled against God thinking they can decipher good and evil without God's intervention {Genesis 2:7 compare to 3:1-5} so God allowed time to help mankind learn from the mistakes others made during the time He allowed us try our best in doing what seems good in our sight. The name of the first polygamist is Lamech {Genesis 4:19} and after him many took two wives (including worshipers of God) but God allowed them to learn from experience! Romans 15:4 compare to 1Corinthians 10:11
Today we can all remember the result of polygamy in the lives of Jacob (Leah and Rachel) Levi (Hannah and Peninah) David and Solomon. Surely no one wants to experience the troubles this people encountered.

So if anyone now choose to enter into polygamy after seeing all that then it means the person doesn't have love for the children coming because all the children born in those families suffered the consequences of polygamy.

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

anu3:
Ok... But I wouldn't like to stay near your group because of your teachings or interpretations of scriptures (especially about the diety of Jesus as God) that is not from the Holy Spirit, but of Man (from the founder, I guess). The Holy spirit and the new testament is my guide to know.
1John.2.27 - But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
I don't have a local church for now, but I know some good examples of Jesus' Disciples online that I respect, because their lives and teachings are Purely Scriptural and Spiritual. They're not perfect, but christlike: men like Paul and others. And they don't believe that they're the Only true church or group. You may check some of them if you want (note, I'm not a member of any of them): Gbile Akanni, Zac Poonen, (late) Jan Boshoof and warningthepeople (YouTube).
It's just my conviction, no problem if don't agree.
All right... Thanks for your time.

Well Jesus is God just as Moses is God! Exodus 7:1
It's the Almighty God who made both of them like God that's why Moses said the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will send another prophet just like himself to establish a New Covenant with Israel and whoever fails to accept the teachings of that prophet will be cut off from the living. Deuteronomy 18:15-19

Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet foretold by Moses. Act 3:22

So the Almighty God made both Moses and Jesus God in the sense that whatever both of them wish will happen immediately, that's why both of them were like Gods in the midst of men.

Both Moses and Jesus clearly stated that the Almighty God sent them as messengers so they are both sent by the same Almighty God.

However i really enjoyed the few moments with you, each person is entitled to his own opinion, you believe there is no popular church that's spirit filled but i believe otherwise it's OK as long as you believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of God! John 3:16

May you have PEACE!

Yippeedaniel:
No one treats you badly when you're innocent.

And you will be hated by all people on account of my name, but the one who has endured to the end will be saved. Matthew 10:22

But they will do all these things against you on account of my name, because they do not know the One who sent me. John 15:21 ~ JESUS

So Yippeedaniel, it's either Jesus lied or he doesn't know what he's saying or himself and his disciples are criminals. Please choose one!

Acehart:
You flatter yourself. That’s a great attribute. You avoided those questions and I saw Max is like finding the Amazon in the Yukon.

Your problem is faithlessness!

You people are not just satisfied with God's judgment, you want people to suffer after they've paid for sin at death so like your trinity fathers you keep anticipating more punishment for those who wronged you.

Adam is the first and foremost sinner, it's his sin that brought sickness and death to billions after him, so if Adam had not sinned there wouldn't have been any reason for sickness, suffering or death.
So answer this simple question:
Where is Adam and Eve today, heaven or hell?

Janosky:
Yippeedaniel seems depressed.
He is desperate to put JWs down but can't do nothing
Continue to console yourself
Titus 1:9, Acts13:15, Colossians 3:16 "Continue encouraging one another" JWs must receive encouragement similar to the practice of first century JWs.
Yippeedaniel practicing "false peace" sotayy Congregations change to "congratulations"
Murmurer WAILING
Yippee,Are you drunk or "high"?
John 12:49-50,we are happy to imitate Jesus.
The Bible must tell us what to do.
Slaves of Jehovah are known everywhere as meek and gentle.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: [color=blue]AGAINST SUCH THERE IS NO LAW. Galatians 5:22-23
Galatians 5:22-23 & John 8:34.
LIAR.
2 Corinthians 11:26, what is the crime of Paul?
John 19:6-7, what is the crime of Jesus Christ?
"Alalleged perpetrators " you claim.
Did Australia Court convict any JW of breaking the law?
Bad belle dey like gala for your head.
What is the crime of MaxinDHouse?
What will Jehovah do to you when you have judged and convicted MaxinDHouse?

He is a faithless miscreant nah!
I asked him what is Jesus' crime or that of his first century Jewish disciples that could warrant their persecution?
The faithless miscreant ran away.
He said only criminals are treated badly so JWs are criminals yet Jesus and his disciples were treated like criminals, so from his viewpoint it's either Jesus and his disciples were real criminals or the Bible was fabricated.
Don't be surprised that the moniker may belong to the same person!