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TenQ:
Hello Bro,
I find it amazing how you find it convenient to disregard some words of the scripture.
Rev 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night —those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
What is a TORMENT knowing that the dead knows NOTHING!
Can I torment a dead cat?
What does it mean that they have No Rest day and night?
If the dead are deemed to have slept, how come these particular set of dead people have no rest?
Job 14:10-12
Matthew 25:46
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Since the dead know nothing, can the dead be punished?
Doesn't this mean that only the living can be punished?

Jesus is the one revealing these things to John through signs or symbolic terms {Revelations 1:1} so just as Jesus always use symbolic terms to reveal sacred secrets {Matthew 13:13} he is still doing the same! Hebrews 13:8

Therefore when you read the Bible book of Revelation and try to see it in the literal sense then you can't understand the sacred secrets! Daniel 12:10

From the beginning the punishment God pronounced against sinners is death and nothing more! Genesis 2:17; 3:19; Romans 6:7

God said "tormenting living persons in fire has not come into His heart" {Jeremiah 7:31} so if you now find something contrary to these then you should know that Jesus is speaking in Parables, remember his usage of symbolic terms led most of his first century Jewish followers abandon him! John 6:61-66
So calm down and learn, God never promised the evildoers eternal life, it's a gift for only the righteous not the wicked! Romans 6:23

May you have PEACE!

haddeylium:
JESUS IS LORD!

The first scripture that stroke my heart was Psalms 110:1 where my Bible back then talked about two Lords. One of my neighbours back then usually come after the Witnesses are gone to contradict what i learnt but that day i showed him that verse and asked him which between the two Lords is Jesus. He had to go and meet his pastor who strictly warned him to stop discussing with me, though he pretended as if he forgot but after much pestering he open up that his pastor said he should stop talking to me.
Again at Jude 9 where Archangel Michael told Satan "the Lord will rebuke you" the churches of Christendom thought the Lord there means Jesus whereas a diligent study revealed that the archangel Michael is Jesus while the Lord there is Jehovah!

TenQ:
We forget that the LOVING God is also FEARFUL in anger
Matthew 25:46
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
I wish the scripture above is eternal death rather than eternal punishment then we can soften down the gravity of the punishment.

Death is the punishment for sin {Romans 6:23} all humans have sinned and fall short of the glory of God {Romans 3:23} due to what we all inherited from Adam! Romans 5:12
But for descendants of Adam who have proved to be righteous ones their punishment will be temporary since they proved to be obedient despite under the bondage of sin and death {Romans 5:17} they will be resurrected! Job 14:13-15
As for rebellious humans who followed after Adam their own punishment is eternal {2Peter 2:6; Jude 7} that's what eternal punishment means in the Bible not a place where they will continue breathing naaaaaaaa! Jeremiah 7:31

If death is a punishment, is Abraham, Isaac, jacob, Moses, David, Peter, Paul and the other disciples under punishment?
Rev 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night—those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

This means that survivors of the destruction of this system of things will never forget how God ended all evidoers, we will continue to tell the generations coming after Armageddon. Revelations 16:16

If death is a form of unconscious oblivion, then it is a REST from all toils and pain.
How come those who worship the beast receive no rest from their torment?
There is a parallel here referencing the devil (Revelation 20:10)

Of course death is the end of all evidoers because the wages of sin right from the beginning is not beyond death {Genesis 2:17; 3:19} so at death the evildoer has paid for all his evil, he has been discharged no more punishment! Romans 6:7
But we who survived all their evils will continue to remember them just as we keep remembering the acts of people like Cain, Pharaoh Ramses, Balam, Goliath, Jezebel, inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah. All these people are gone forever but when we talk about them any listener will feel their pain as if it's still happening to them whereas they've paid fully for their evil at death! Romans 6:7

May you have PEACE!

bobestman:
I don't teach anything here. I only come when I see you ppl teaching things you don't know and still bragging that you know it. I try my best to correct you. The true knowledge will be revealed at the right time as it was written to come. At that time will you all understand. All you know today are all the twisted truth.

Where is it written?
I can't believe it's inside the Bible because you'll have to TEACH to convince anyone.

Workch:
I seriously king Herod is responsible for it.

Why allow Joseph adopt a bastard son?

All these headache because you don't want to obey simple life saving instructions, shey?

Workch:
I mean, it’s possible she probably fornicated and had Jesus out of wedlock. To cover it, she cooked up the story of Holy Spirit.
And now no one knows the actual father of Jesus, Joseph was compelled to accept the bastard into his family because he loved Mary so much. Na so religion take start o, A possible Bastard that might have been fathered by king Herod became a deity because his mother lied. To be sincere, this story is more plausible that the Holy Spirit nonsense.
Dtruthspeaker, what do you have to say?

The book says she got pregnant through the Holy Spirit but let's assume she lied, what about Elizabeth the mother of John?
She must have related her experience when Mary visited her nah! Luke 1:39-45

So everyone lied that Jesus performed miracles and everything was a lie simply because you're an atheist, and you're terribly disturbed that some people believe the Bible rather than your Evolution Theory, shey?

bobestman:
You replied well. Your comments show you have know knowledge how this things work but just assuming as you read in your Bible or as you were told by pastors. The Bible you read though true but had been edited, revised, re-written several times and many truth are lost. So don't be argueing too much on these things. My friend, after judgement will these things be. And I will tell you again, the way they narrated it all in your Bible is not the way it will happen exactly cos those ppl wrote according to how they understood it. It was never given to them in the first place. You ppl should wait. The truth when it comes will shock everyone.

But you're not waiting rather you're arguing while telling others to wait!

sagenaija:
I can equally say that your fixation on practical group is pointless!
Points win an argument.
I have shown you REPEATEDLY from Scripture that Jesus is superior to all creatures.
All I see from your end is the position of men not FACTS from Scripture.
That is why you run away from directly explaining verses presented.
Was does it mean to honour the Son JUST AS the Father is honoured?
When the Lamb and the Father were together and every creature worshipped did they do it only to one of them and disregarded the other?
Where is it in Scripture that Michael transformed into Mary's womb?
Were Michael and 'one like a son of man' ever equated as one and the same in the book of Daniel or elsewhere?

Pharisees,Sadducees,Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis did more than criticizing Jesus for professing to be the one and only way to God's heart.
They were quoting scriptures upon scriptures justifying their ignorance but what did Jesus have that they don't?
WORKS of faith! James 2:18-26
So present the group of people practicing what you're saying and let's see if your opinion is not based on man-made doctrines.
Only the truth can bring people to act in the same line of thought:

Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth. John 17:17

I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. John 17:22

Present a group of people who are SANCTIFIED by the truth of God's word and united in the same line of thought!

As for those arguing blindly they will never be able to unite as one group rather they will continue to contradict themselves all in the name of denominations belonging to the same religion!

"Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Luke 11:23

That's why i keep telling you that fruitlessly arguing and quoting of scriptures can be done by anyone, and of course such a person will always feel he's winning with points, but when it's time to present what everyone can SEE {Matthew 5:13-16} that's when liars will start shouting foul! foul!! Because there's nothing to show for their credulity that they want to equate will real faith that's WORKING! James 2:18-26

AntiChristian:
God's sons plenty for Bible. Even God's sons came from heaven to sleep with humans in Gen 6. Isn't God partial for loving one son than the other? This is in contradiction to Eli Eli Eli lama sabachtani....My Lord My Lord why have you abandoned me....
This is a mess!
So God get outcast son and He get beloved son? This your God na wa o!
But i think Jesus should be an outcast too!
That Canaanite woman that came to him for healing Jesus turned her down till the woman won him with words.
Jesus implied he was not sent to her kind but at the end Jesus attended to one he is not sent to by the Father!

It's OK my friend, i have answered you!

AntiChristian:
If the report you gave was true then that Cleric was false and you were an extreme ignorant Muslim back then!
When Allah created Adam from clay He only had to say to it be and he was.
When Allah created Eve from Adam He only had to say "be" and she was.
And when Jesus too was created without father it was the same word "be" and Mary conceived Jesus.
Qur'an 15:29
Allah said to the Angels and Iblis: So when I have made him (Adam) complete and breathed into him of My spirit, fall down making obeisance to him.
Does this make Adam too Allah's Spirit?
In Qur'an 3:59 Allah says what means:
Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.
And we have told you guys that Jesus had no father but had mother!
Adam had no parents!
Even was only from Adam.
Na only Jesus you dey see!

According to Apostle Paul Jesus and Adam are equally God's Sons due to the process of their birth {1Corinthians 15:45} but Jesus himself told us why God loves him most than all other sons of God:

"And the One who sent me is with me; he did not abandon me to myself, because I always do the things pleasing to him.” John 8:29

So while Adam (God's Son) became an outcast Jesus (God's Son) retained that status by ever remaining obedient to his God and Father! John 20:17

Myer:
As usual you must defend your org.
It's alright. All the best.

This is not about defending any org rather it's an enlightenment for you to know the truth.
You asked several questions that you supposed to have known the answers had it been you studied the Bible. I didn't answer any of your questions because i know they're not from the Bible rather they're based on your experience with different sects all claiming they are denominations in Christianity.

Now let me take just one and see how a real Bible student deal with questions having to do with faith.
You asked:

2. I also went for holy communion service and no one not even the leader of the church drank it. Why?

What the churches of Christendom refer to as "Holy Communion" is the emblem Jesus used to separate those that will join him in his government from other beneficiaries of faith.
The day Jesus died he established the New Covenant that Moses foretold {Deuteronomy 18:15-19} the Old Covenant was between God and the nation of Israel, Moses was the mediator and the laws served as terms and conditions for whoever wants to come into the Covenant.
The New Covenant is not based on written code like the first so the tenets are written in the thoughts, words and actions of Jesus Christ himself who is the mediator. The custodians of this tenets must be those who saw Jesus and worked with him during the time he was practicing what he came to establish so they are the eyewitnesses who will tell the story about God's only begotten son and how the coming generation of faith must comply with those tenets.
Jesus' ministry lasted for three and a half years only twelve Jews were with him all through, they abandoned their families, businesses and comfort just to be with Jesus during those years so Jesus established the New Covenant with them and promised them that if they should continue till they die they will rule with him in his Kingdom {Matthew 19:27-29; Luke 22:28-30} that's why they were counted worthy to join him in eating and drinking the emblem of the establishment of Jesus' Kingdom!
So what is the reason why Paul said it's not for all Christians back then? 1Corinthians 11:27-30

Because it was to serve as emblem showing those who have been anointed to rule with Jesus in heaven not all Jesus' disciples!
Jesus had no right to select this people {Matthew 20:23} but because he knew the criteria God will use to anoint this little flock who will join him in ruling {Luke 12:32} Jesus followed the due process and choose his first 12 disciples out of numerous disciples that later became believers. Luke 6:13

What is the criteria?
This ones must be prepared to let go of everything they've acquired formerly in the world and take up the selfless lifestyle of going about throughout their lives preaching and teaching {Luke 18:18-23} it's not easy for anyone to have families with such a task so most of them never got married {1Corinthians 7:1,8} and all those who got married never had children! Matthew 19:12
It's disciples like this that God often select with His Holy Spirit as BORN AGAIN Christians who will join Jesus in heaven to rule {John 3:3,5} the expected number is 144,000.
Despite all what Jesus taught his disciples Judas still long for the things he left behind (worldly riches) that's why he missed out in becoming one of the beneficiaries of that arrangement even though he also left his families and everything to follow Jesus for the three and a half years! Luke 9:62; John 17:12

Today we still have few of them in out midst but they're all old, they don't have anything to call their own except the global family of JWs just as Jesus promised Peter:

Then Peter said in reply: “Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?”  Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit everlasting life. Matthew 19:27-29

We have just 8 of them today in our world headquarters in America while the rest of them are in other countries throughout the earth. They are the ones who eats the emblem not all faithful members of the Christian Congregation. Jesus told them back then that he had other members of the house of faith who will later join God's Kingdom family but they are not of this fold! John 10:16

That's why you hardly see them in most congregations during Nisan 14 when we are remembering Christ, because most of them have gone to heaven only few are remaining on planet earth today. Until the last one of them leaves this planet we will continue to remember the day our Master Lord and King Christ Jesus established that covenant. Luke 22:19

Now consider the way and manner i have established what i believe and remembered i was born, bread and brought up in a Muslim home. Do you still think you are a Christian now?

Janosky:
You , Emusan, bear your Father's identity and you are known by it officially in your Educational Qualifications, Driver's licence etc.

Matthew 28:18 & John 5:43,Revelation 1:17-18. Emusan knows that Jesus Christ bears his Father's identity by his own Father's authority but you , Emusan comes to this forum to prove your stupidity.

Good morning brother, i'm still expecting your call!

Myer:
I had a couple of observations while participating in your meetings the few times I did cos I actually learnt from your publications, so I wanted to become a member;
1. Your meetings were more of discussions about persecutions. Which when examined are actually as a result of your faults.
2. I also went for holy communion service and no one not even the leader of the church drank it. Why?
I was told by my friend that holy communion was for those that are perfect without sin.
But we know Jesus never said that.
That is simply a misinterpretation of Paul's advice in 1 Corinthians 11:24-30
No one is worthy to drink the communion yet Jesus made all his disciples eat and drink with him.
Paul was simply addressing those who obviously do not understand it's significance.
3. The fact that Men are not even allowed to wear Jeans. That one just tire me. Like what is the possible explanation for that?
4. Your stand on heaven and hell.
5. Your absolute lack of dependence on the Holyspirit. Most of what I saw was simply that everyone was meant to follow the JW laid down articles.
How then can you be in tune with the times and seasons?
The reason the Jews/Pharisees missed their Christ was simply because they were too fixated on the laws of Moses.
Following the scriptures, they believed the Messiah would be someone from a royal family,Isaiah 9:6-7
Which was why Jesus said, they studied the scriptures thinking they'd find life... but were ever learning and never coming to knowledge.
6. I've never met a successful JW.
Success is measured not only in giving your life to Christ. But also that God acknowledges you. Through spiritual gifts and material gifts to benefit the church, your sphere of influence and sometimes even the world.

I was a Muslim before i met the JWs but i know that Jesus' true followers will be vilified in the society due to their strange beliefs. John 15:19
Jesus said after he takes his leave Satan (who is the cause of confusion in religion) will devastate the group but during the endtime Jesus will sent his angels to separate his true followers from the faithless religionists claiming Christians! Matthew 13:24-30
I never expected true Christians to share the same line of thought with all these different sects claiming denominations in Christianity. Jesus' true followers will not have options but submit to laid down tenets that everyone need to comply with! Matthew 7:13-14
So when i met the JWs i wasn't expecting them to have similar believes with sects claiming worshipers of God {John 17:14-16} that's why i diligently studied the Bible with them to know if there could be a group of people practicing what Jesus taught and the evidence Jesus promised that we will see in their gathering. Act 17:11
After seeing the FRUIT Jesus talked about i don't need any further scrutiny except if there is a better performing group than them.
So it's evident that you never studied the Bible at all it's the various religious sects claiming Christians that you're studying then trying to draw a conclusion, that is why you keep questioning what the Bible says since it's what the religious sects are doing that you want to see not what the Bible teaches!

Myer:
I was raised in a Cele home but ported to other church denominations when I became independent.
I've attended RCCG and Winners, JW and Christ embassy and others before I settled in a not-so-famous denomination.
So by first-hand experience I know what I'm saying.
I have an uncle who is a shepherd (pastor) in Celestial church.
I have a dad who is a respected patron in the church.
I cant speak for others but those two do not practice anything occultic or fetish.
All the activities they adopted as their doctrines are extracted from biblical practices. (Though a lot of them from OT).
My dad has a book about Cele doctrines and their scriptural references if you care to read it up. The same way most people see Catholics as idolatry, is the way you might say Cele church is occultic.
It's some times a misconception.
The members of the church know they do not perform any fetish practices.

Of course just like any other church denomination, you will find ambitious shephers/prophets who in their quest for power, money and recognition mix traditional/fetish practises with the bible.
It is not a Cele thing. But a religious thing. Other church denominations who have ambitions pastors do just the same.
Cele is just obvious because of their garments..

Perhaps your bias stems from watching too much Nollywood so you've concluded that all Cele churches are the same.

A true Cele church is one of the best things you can experience as a church.
They have real prophets who whenever the Holyspirit (Emi Mimo) takes over them can help reveal the deep things of God and yourself to you.
And also tell you God's solution to whatever you're faced with.

Have you ever had the experience of Celestial church hymns ministered by a Good and Spiritual choir?!
You will definitely feel like you're in heaven.

Celestian church from my first hand experience is absolutely a good church.

I only left because I was uncomfortable walking barefoot and in white garments. Also cos of the long sunday services.
It was not because of their doctrines which are extracted from the bible.

Attending our meetings without studying the Bible with us is like traveling through a totally strange route, unlike other religions claiming Christian denominations Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in miraculous signs today, what we cherish is unity and righteousness.
So if you're looking for miracles then you can't feel comfortable in our midst!

FlipModeSquade:
The same Bible that encouraged Slavery?
Religion is a SCAM!!

When you have a child do you teach him everything he needs to know when he's not old enough to bear it?
Even we humans have the curriculum on how people should be taught gradually, we all know that a child of 5 years can be taught everything within two years but to avoid complications the academic session is needed.
That's what God did for mankind, right from the time Adam and Eve stepped out of the garden of Eden they rejected God's guidance regarding right and wrong so God allowed their descendants to feel His absence in their learning process regarding our planet home and how to cohabit. So after about 2,000 years God called Abraham and from there the learning process began till today. Now slave trade has been formally abolished globally but we still have the modern way of enslaving our neighbours all these will take a gradual process before humans will know that equality is the only way to peaceful cohabitation.
As long as some people are enslaving others due to the privileges they have then humans will continue to make weapons and use it to intimidate one another.
That's why Jesus is called God's Son. He never tried to accumulate material possessions because he knew it's meant to oppress others but after his death, resurrection and ascension to heaven all the pioneers of his teachings were slaughtered and liars claiming Christians obstructed the gradual learning process.
Today Jesus is back but as a powerful spirit person, he is working with an organized group known as Jehovah's Witnesses, people everywhere hate this group because in their midst material possessions means nothing just as it meant to Jesus and his first century followers. John 15:19

May you have PEACE!

Janosky:
My Bro, pls check your inbox.
How you dey?
Thanks.

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haekymbahd:
You are saying it because you don't believe Jesus is God. Allah says he has no begotten because Jesus was called God. So why meddle in the Affair when Allah says he doesn't have a son.

Don't you know the trinitarians don't believe Jesus was created. Allah knows the reason why he said he didn't have a son.

Allah never said anything!
Muhammad fabricated all what you're reading according to his own mindset regarding God.
He wants to be counted among God's prophet but the Catholics and Jews can't see how possible is that so he needs to fabricate all that to become relevant at least before his own disciples.
If Muhammad agreed that Jesus is God's only begotten son then he couldn't have been the last and greatest prophet because all other prophets came from Israel while the Catholics were claiming that Jesus is part of the TRINITY.
So to make himself relevant Muhammad has to fabricate things to make it look like God is communicating with him.
The truth is Muhammad was no prophet at all!

haekymbahd:
I am saying Jesus is son of God just like Adam is son of God.
Psalm 82
6 I said, You are gods [since you judge on My behalf, as My representatives]; indeed, all of you are children of the Most High.
God does not have an only son because he didn't beget any he created all.

"Only begotten" means the only creature directly created by God, all other creatures were the works of Jesus under the direction from God!

Mleeperbother:
Of course hell doesn't exist.
Na only wicked person dey believe this kind things.

I give kudos to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
They've been saying this for more than 120 years now, there is no such place as HellFire Grave is the end of the dead.

haekymbahd:
Which name is Adam bearing he has no father or mother.
Psalm 82
6 I said, You are gods [since you judge on My behalf, as My representatives]; indeed, all of you are children of the Most High.
God has no only begotten son it is a fabrication of the bible the RSV version of the bible has addressed?
God does not begets he creates and appoint roles.
Jesus also called himself son of Man.

Your problem is the only begotten son of God!
Adam is also God's son because he has no father or mother {Luke 3:38} but Jesus' case is different because he is the first spirit creature God created and he was with God serving as the master craftsman beside God during the creative days! Proverbs 8:22-31; John 1:1-3

That's why he is the only begotten son of God or the first born of all creation! Colossians 1:15; John 3:16

The RSV is not for true Christians it's the work of different religions (including Muslims) who agreed on the version they will approve for schools so that the truth will not sink into the students. Do you think the islamic studies the schools generally approves can teach the students real Islam?

sagenaija:
When words are now said to be wrongly translated all in a bid to make things fit your standard narrative one can only see an attempt to devalue the Son.

I think even your brother janosky, who is into Lexicon and co, will confirm to you that 'worship' in that Hebrews 1:6 means WORSHIP and nothing else, unless he too wants to be cheeky and switch Lexicon or disregard Lexicon and switch to your translation here. Janosky, if he truly the 'expert' he wants to put himself forward to be should know that the Koine Greek of the New Testament is EXACT. It leaves little room for guesswork.

The book of Hebrews clearly shows the SUPERIORITY of Jesus Christ over all angels, over Moses, over previous worship systems, and over all creation. To therefore say that, in the context of a SCENARIO IN HEAVEN, God the Father is simply telling the angels "be respectful to him" with regards to God the Son means you're being scarce with the truth.

Look at this clear statement of Jesus:
"that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him."
John 5:23 NIV
Did you see 'just as they honour the Father'?
Maybe you will begin to re-explain what 'just as' now means. Your "deeper understanding" will move its meaning from what is plainly stated there.

If you read Revelation 5 and still claim it is not worship that is given to the Lamb then JW must have pumped so much garbage into your brain that you have brainwashed yourself to think contrary to every truth.

When the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, when they declared "You are worthy", when the myriads of angels added their own voice, and "every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them were saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!” (5:13), MaxinDHouse is telling us that they are simply making 'obeisance' and not worship, then maybe they were also simply paying 'obeisance' to the Father who was there with the Lamb. Or will you now tell us that even though they were doing the same actions to both the Father and the Lamb who were there TOGETHER, we should see it as worship to the Father and 'obeisance' to the Son. You guys can always find ways to 'SLICE' worship for the Father from for the Son even when both of them were the focus here.

I am aware that your organisation has, over the years, changed position on the worship of Jesus.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO scriptural support for your claim that Michael was the one transformed into Mary's womb. If there is one please show us.

You guys appear to have forgotten that both Michael and 'one like a son of man' were mentioned in the book of Daniel. Were they ever equated as one and the same there in Daniel? No!

Why you have chosen to elevate the teachings of men over and above the CLEAR position of Scripture leaves one amazed!

Your agitation is pointless!
You're trying to equate Jesus with the Almighty God by quoting scriptures here and there just to support your TRINITY doctrines, i too am equating Jesus with Archangel Michael using the scriptures.
So we will continue to argue forever and ever if allowed, the only way out of this fruitless arguments is to present a GROUP of people PRACTICING what we are saying and the BENEFITS or RESULTS in their midst.
No matter what you quote if your faith has no PRACTICAL WORKS that everyone can SEE {Matthew 5:13-16 compare to James 2:18-26} then it simply means you don't understand what you're quoting, the LETTERS is what you keep twisting so the SPIRIT that supposed to actuate the minds of your fellow worshipers and move them into action will not be there! 2Corinthians 3:6

Beliefs are meant to be refuted by critics from all angles so whether the beliefs are based on the truth of God's word or not critics will rise to refute it.
So what is the secret behind the truth that will continue to hunt critics of God's word?

Well it's the WORKS of true faith because credulity is founded on lies all those holding it will never be able to practice it to be point of seeing any benefit, of course they will stubbornly keep to it even when they're not united in what they're saying {Luke 11:23} but the truth will unite people from all races and make them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers because that's God's will for mankind. John 17:20-23 compare to Micah 4:1-3
Once a global family of peace loving worshipers suffice under Jesus Christ then the rest are ripe for destruction!
So whatever argument they're putting up against the truth will continue to hurt them because they will see real faith at WORK while their own faith will remain inactive in all places! James 2:18-26

Jehovah's Witnesses are working throughout the earth and making people turn away from politics and racism, they are embracing one another as one family, they have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone for any reason whatsoever! Isaiah 2:2-4
So whoever thinks he has anything to say against them should check himself because their righteousness is from their God! Isaiah 54:17

May you have PEACE!

The brains continue working even when we are unconscious (sleeping or clinically dead) but when we wake up things we see during our subconsciousness may come back to our memory as dreams, that is when many people begin taking it seriously more than necessary. Demons (fallen angels) are always interested in whatever will discourage humans from putting faith in God's word so they often pick interest in our dream when related to others and they will manipulate events to make the living begin having doubts about God's word.
That's why God's word admonished us that if anyone even angels comes to teach us anything contradicting what we learned in the word of God let such a person or angel be cursed! Galatians 1:8

God told Adam that at death Adam will return to dust {Genesis 2:17; 3:19} and consistently God's word reminds us that the dead knows nothing even there love, hatred and other feelings die instantly! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

So we shouldn't take such stories seriously it has nothing to do with the reality! 2Timothy 4:3-4

May you have PEACE!

AntiChristian:
O! Isa son of Maryam!
Jesus son of Mary!
One is senior the other is Junior abi?

I remember when i was still a Muslim, i asked my cleric why all other prophets do bear the name of their fathers but Isa bears the name of his mother in the Qur'an?
For instance:
Suleiman (Solomon) son of Dauda (David)

Yahayah (John) son of Zacariyahu (Zacharia)

Muhammad son of Abdullah

But when it comes to Isa (Jesus) the Qur'an will say son of Maryam.

Well it was later that another cleric expatiated that all others have biological fathers but it was the spirit of Allah that got Maryam pregnant not Yusuf (Joseph) so it's not appropriate to call Isa (Jesus) son of Joseph.
Then i asked him who owns the spirit that impregnated Maryam? My cleric says it's Almighty Allah then i kept quiet out of fear because if Allah's spirit got Maryam pregnant then Isa is no other person's son but the son of Allah (God).

Alhajikinky:
The Hidden Secrets Your Pastors and Your Imams Wouldn't Tell You..

There are more Christians in Palestine than Israel. Their vernacular is Arabic.

Everything else you said is fact except the highlighted, Palestine only have more people claiming Christians than Israel not real Christians!

sagenaija:
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ALL angels worship Jesus - "And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”
Hebrews 1:6 NIV (See also Revelation 5).
'All' means without exception.
NO angel receives even worship by man not to talk of worship by other angels. (Revelation 19:10; 22:8-9).
Therefore, Jesus is greater than ANY CLASS of angels (including Archangels - btw, there are other Archangels apart from Michael) for him to be worshipped by them.

On Daniel 12:
“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.
Daniel 12:1 NIV
In context Daniel is being told that Michael protects his (Daniel's) people - Israel. By application it would apply to protecting to all God's people. Protection NOT salvation!

In Revelation 12:7 Michael is clearly distinguished from Jesus. Jesus/the Lamb are specifically mentioned there.

Bottom line, Jesus is in a CLASS of his own! Higher then the angels. Higher than ALL.

The word mistranslated WORSHIP in those verses is "OBEISANCE" which means "obey him" only one person is to be worshiped and that is JEHOVAH! Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29

There are so many similarities pointing to Michael as the son of God who was transformed into the womb of Mary.
At Daniel 12:1 that verse clearly stated that Michael will rise up for the salvation of God's people, you may not understand what Daniel is saying {Daniel 12:10} but Paul expatiate that the real Israelites are those who keeps the faith not just someone born in Israel {Romans 2:25-29} so Daniel was talking about the time when the Messiah will show up for the salvation of mankind. This happened in the first century and only few Jews accepted his teachings. So it's the same Michael that came in the person of Jesus!

sagenaija:
Where did I admit to what you are stating there?
Like they say: "Don't put words into my mouth!"
God the Father and God the Son are two separate persons but one in essence.
Jesus is Alpha and Omega. First and the Last, the beginning and the end and Alpha and Omega are all for emphasis pointing at the same thing!

Well Jesus is Archangel Michael (commander of all the angels in heaven) to me and since he is standing for the salvation of God's people no other angel has been said to do so! Daniel 12:1 ; Revelations 12:7

sagenaija:
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You want to latch on to an escape route!
You agree that Revelation 1: 17-18 refers to Jesus don't you?
Are there two different 'First and the Last' between Revelation 1 and Revelation 22?
That shouldn't be a difficult question to answer by one who belongs to the only "God's approved organisation"; should it?

I have answered you countless times but the TRINITY dogma won't allow it sink into your mind.

Since you've admitted that Jehovah and Jesus differs then both of them can't be the one who died nah!
JEHOVAH says He is the Alpha and Omega.
Jesus said he's the beginning and the end.

Both of them were together from the beginning till now and since Jesus will live forever surely he will see the end of all badness nah!

That doesn't change the fact that they are two separate persons!

sagenaija:
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First, on John 1:1-3, I never stated that there weren't two separate persons being referred to there.

Second, on the Revelation 22, I think it is clear to know who is saying what. So, when in verse 12 & 13 we read: “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
Revelation 22:12‭-‬13 NIV
It should be clear who the one who is coming is. Shouldn't it?
It should be clear who SAID to the churches earlier in the book of Revelation that he is bringing his rewards; shouldn't it?
It should be clear also who "the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End" is. Isn't it?

You agreed that Jesus had in chapter 1 said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Revelation 1:17‭-‬18 NIV
Where he introduced himself as the 'first and the last'.

So, why wouldn't it be clear there in chapter 22 who is saying what?

You conveniently avoided verse 12 in your allocation of who is speaking because you knew it related to verse 13 BUT you wanted to separate the two for your convenience in order to make it fit into your standard narrative.

Again, you want to use your preconceived position to interpret Scripture instead of letting it speak to you.

Because your DOGMA will not make you admit that Jehovah was once dead but is now alive you agreed that the 'first and the last' in Revelation 1 is Jesus. Yet you are struggling hard to separate him from the declaration in Revelation 22.

Btw, your interpretation of "the beginning and the end" - it simply means he knows the Genesis of badness and he will be glad to know the end after all he has played his part perfectly - is really interesting if not out rightly funny. Maybe janosky should give us Lexicon references to back it up.
Genesis of 'badness' indeed!

You just like STORY! STORY!! STORY!!! That's of no practical benefit to anyone.

The highlighted is hilarious, if Jehovah dies then who resurrected Him? Act 3:15
Who answered Jesus' prayer when he begged on his knees? Hebrews 5:7 compare to Luke 22:44; John 12:27

Well my own God JEHOVAH has never died for once, it's his son whom He gave {John 3:16} to die for our sins that died and Jehovah raised His son back to life!

Nothingserious:
Lol!
I like your nice touch of humor.
You seem like a trouble maker.
I will visit your congregation and pray and sing with you.
Do you still meet at Benin for annual programmes? We will see there.
By the way, every time anyone witness for Jesus Christ in evangelism and outreaches, he or she is a witness for God. Don’t localize that name to yourself. We all are ambassadors for Christ.
Like Paul said in Acts 17, for we also ate his offspring...
“We are ambassadors therefore on behalf of Christ, as though God were entreating by us: we beseech you on behalf of Christ, be ye reconciled to God. Him who knew no sin he made to be sin on our behalf; that we might become the righteousness of God in him.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:20-21‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/2co.5.20-21.asv

Of course anyone who comes to our gathering will see us sing praises and pray to our God, but outside our place of worship we only do that with fellow JWs.
That's why the first century Jews hated Jesus so much because only those having the same line of thought with him he treats like his own family, every other person is Jesus' neighbour.
So if that makes him a trouble maker then i'm OK to be one of his disciples! John 15:18-19

Workch:
But you claim god exist. The onus is on your to prove it else he doesn’t.
Simple

Do you see me at your door?
Well our God exists only in our midst so only our members can see the evidence, even our God don't expect those who aren't part of His worshipers to know Him.
So we don't need you to know our God it's OK for you to go and stick to your Spaghetti Monster!

Nothingserious:
Frankly speaking, I like avoiding arguments with fellow Christians. I will rather I did that with skeptics than with you. I have so many things to say to you but what will we achieve at the end?
Yes it’s biblical to argue sometimes. Paul did it severally and used it to win intellectuals to his side. Jesus also reasoned with the Jews and religious leaders at different occasions. Even his disciples were always interrogated by the Jews. That’s an established fact.
It is too presumptuous for anyone to think they are better Christians than the others or even worse to think other Christians are pagans.
Simple qualification in the Bible: believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and that God raised him from the dead, and thou shall be saved.
That hasn’t changed. Other things are secondary just like the writer in Hebrews said we need to leave the basics behind and strive towards growth.
It might interest you to know that I had a Jehovah’s Witness close friend all through Secondary school. All the arguments we had then are more than enough.
“Wherefore leaving the doctrine of the first principles of Christ, let us press on unto perfection; not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of the teaching of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭6:1-3‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/heb.6.1-3.asv

Well it's only those with whom we share the same line of thought that we know as Christians {Matthew 12:46-50} not just those claiming Christians! Matthew 7:21-23
So if you're not one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES then know that you and i aren't worshiping the same God, that's why i will never have anything to do with you in sacred matters like praying together or singing together!