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tctrills:
This was your response to John 6.70

Maintained!🙂

The topic is whether Jesus deliberately chose Judas to betray him and i told the OP that the man developed a bad trait along the way.

And regarding John 6:70 Jesus never mentioned any name so no religious book says Jesus had a specific person in mind at the time he spoke what we all know for sure is the prophecies foretold that one of Jesus' closest confidants will betray him and Jesus strongly believe what God's word says!🙂

tctrills:
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Lol,
I have been asking the very same consistent question.
You claim in John 6.70 Jesus Christ did not know Judas with betray Him.
Since yesterday, I have been asking you if you have changed your mind about that. You said no.
I can quote myself and your response if you don't mind, let's see who is changing the topic.

You are changing the subject!😂

OP asked a question regarding whether Judas was specifically chosen to betray Jesus not that along with way he developed a bad trait!🙂

That's what i told the OP before you jumped in to say:

tctrills:
It couldn't have been anyone. Jesus Christ knew who it would be even before choosing him

So you are the one who supposed to tender an apology for cutting in without knowing exactly what happened.

Judas developed that trait along the way not before he was chosen and for your information Satan actually wanted to use all the Apostles as his tool not only Judas if Jesus had not stepped in:

“Simon, Simon, look! Satan has demanded to have all of you to sift you as wheat. But I have made supplication for you that your faith may not give out; and you, once you have returned, strengthen your brothers.” Luke 22:31-32

tctrills:
Oga the question remains, according to JW, did Jesus Christ know Judas was the one to betray Him in John 6. 70 to 71?
Your answer is No but JW says yes.
Do you now agree with the JW group that Jesus Christ knew in John 6.70 that Judas will betray Him? If you now agree, please apologise for lying against your church.

So God never wanted what is not good for you that's why He condemned ADULTERY and LYING! 🙂

kayjordan:
Answer 1: I would prefer being born by a real couple.
Answer 2: If it happened to my only child, I'd fight the system till my son and I finally win.

Can you see the reason why you need to humbly learn from Jehovah's Witnesses instead of misquoting our publications?

Deteriorating and Developing is enough to tell you that Judas Iscariot wasn't a devil before Jesus chose him rather he was one of the fittest for the work of undershepherds! 🙂

tctrills:
Jesus:
“could discern Judas’ deteriorating attitude and traits.”
Another JW reference appears in The Watchtower:
“Jesus could read hearts and knew that Judas was developing wrong tendencies.”

tctrills:
So, how about I quote directly from JW sources.
If we find out you are lying, would you agree to apologise?

Here is what JWs said on the matter:

Judas is introduced into the Gospel accounts in the listing of the apostles sometime after Passover 31 C.E. and about a year and a half after Jesus began his ministry. (Mr 3:19; Lu 6:16) It is logical to conclude that Judas had been a disciple for a time before Jesus made him an apostle. Many writers paint an entirely black picture of Judas, but evidently for a while he had been a disciple who found favor with God and with Jesus; his very selection as an apostle indicates that.

We never said Jesus chose a devil to be one of his Apostles!😂

tctrills:
But your church says he was speaking specifically of Judas in John 6.70-71.

Now you've started lying again!😂

Ọmọ apostle John wrote that some 66 years later after Jesus' ministry, death, resurrected and ascended to heaven not any church!😂

TheStoriesOfMan:
Another doctrine worshipper who thinks he knows the bible more than the colonizers. Satan is not the god of this world. You are quoting lies from the bible to support your lying claim.
You dey call me Christian? No evidence, nothing? You don't know anything about Christianity, feeding off what you were passed down. I no blame you.
Please leave here.

Please where did you get that word "BLASPHEMY"?
Hope it's not from one of your African shrines?😂

kayjordan:
While procreation can happen in both "marriage" and "adultery" situations, they both still serve the same purpose - "procreation".

If you were asked to choose between being born by a real couple and out of wedlock which would you prefer?🙂

kayjordan:
If you are lied against by the police for being the only robbery gang member they caught after taking bribes from the real culprits - then that's a situation called "survival of the fittest".

Will you welcome this your opinion if it happened to your only child?

tctrills:
When I presented John 6.70, did you or did you not claim that Jesus Christ was not speaking specifically to Judas and at that time, He did not know Judas will betray Him?
I have the receipts if you deny.
Do you still claim that in John 6.70 Jesus Christ wasn't speaking specifically to Judas?
JW fighting Jw

Jesus believe the scriptures not what you are thinking so one of his closest confidants will betray him and that means one of the twelve.
That's what Jesus was talking about not specifically Judas Iscariot!🙂

God decides and just as He did in times past He used imperfect humans to compile the books needed for humans to know how to do His will during the end time!🙂

kayjordan:
"Thou shall not commit adultery"

Please what exactly is the meaning of the word "ADULTERY"?

To me it means extramarital intimacy between two unmarried mates but if they are married God is not against it that is why He joined Adam and Eve to become a couple and blessed them so that they can PROCREATE! Genesis 1:26-28

kayjordan:
If I may add as well:
"Thou shall not lie" - a lie can set you free from time to time and it's beneficial - it's called "survival".

Do you think it's beneficial when some policemen arrest you and LIED that you are the only member of a robbery gang they caught after they have taken a bribe from the real culprits?🤔

kayjordan:
Nature is rarely contradicted by God - it's rather a functional tool for God's purpose.
You are not wrong having worldly desires. God wants to see if man can live without desires (discipline).
That's the true intention.

The question:

Mention one worldly desire forbidden by God but beneficial for humans!

tctrills:
your church says you are wrong.

I'm not faithless like you nah!😂

Oya quote where any of our publication says Jesus already knew Judas was an evil person yet chose him to be one of his undershepherds!😂

Here is what our book insight says on the matter.

Judas is introduced into the Gospel accounts in the listing of the apostles sometime after Passover 31 C.E. and about a year and a half after Jesus began his ministry. (Mr 3:19; Lu 6:16) It is logical to conclude that Judas had been a disciple for a time before Jesus made him an apostle. Many writers paint an entirely black picture of Judas, but evidently for a while he had been a disciple who found favor with God and with Jesus; his very selection as an apostle indicates that.

kayjordan:
The devil promoted here, is not spiritual nor biblical - but a synonym of the word "nature". As a result of our orientation, the concept of Devil is preached to us as bad - whereas, it's the idea behind it that is.
Obeying your nature is good and shouldn't be mistaken for sin or a devilish act. ###

What is natural that God contradicts?🤔

Ọmọ you don't believe in any doctrine so arguing with you is pointless!😂

And for the benefit of interested ones following the thread Peter became a tool of Satan when he decided to discourage Jesus from accepting the will of God for him to die and save mankind {Matthew 16:21-23} and Judas became the devil when Satan entered into him not before he was chosen as an apostle. Luke 22:3; John 13:27🙂

tctrills:
Stop confusing yourself.
I presented you with the JW doctrine, you lost your temper and started throwing tantrums.
You clearly do not know or agree with your church's doctrine.
According to your organisation,
In the theology of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the account of Jesus identifying Judas as a "slanderer" (or "devil" in John 6:70-71 is used to explain the timing and nature of Judas's spiritual fall.

The passage reads: “Jesus answered them: ‘I chose you twelve, did I not? Yet one of you is a slanderer.’ He was, in fact, speaking of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for this one was going to betray him, although he was one of the Twelve.”
Discerning the Process: Witnesses believe Jesus used his God-given ability to "read hearts" to notice when Judas’s motivations shifted from devotion to greed.

So you lied when you said Jesus Christ did not know it was Judas in John 6.70-71

It seems you are not really qualified to market JW on nairaland.
I see your willingness to teach but it is advisable that you study first before going out to teach.

Truthseeker10:
This is the same guy that told me that the bible has contradictions. I don't have time for his nonsense. Na blocking straight.

Exactly what he told me too so when he comes up it's just to discourage any individual from putting faith in the word of God he has nothing tangible to offer!🙂

Truthseeker10:
Don't mind that guy....I usually block him when he begins to say rubbish and go out of topic. Wetin concern JW with the discussion at hand?🤣

I don't engage him because he goes off point each time he jumps into a discussion and the next thing he will say is he wants to teach everyone!😂

Another churchgoer who just jumped in to argue needlessly.

I said something and quoted scriptures to back it yet you have come to argue.

I never said Satan is the God of the earth please get it straight Satan is the God of this world! 2Corinthians 4:4

TheStoriesOfMan:
Satan is not the god of this earth. Stop this blasphemy.

So because i asked you to mention the name of your own church that means i disagree with my own beliefs shey?
Well i'm not here for you because i've known you for long that you are faithless!😂

tctrills:
A person who argues and disagrees with his own beliefs.

tctrills:
The worst trap is when you are trapped by your beliefs.

Good to admit that you have no beliefs!😂

DeWorlex45:
The same Old Testament u quoted contradicts u right here. 1 Sam 2:7 says it all. **The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.,..

The Psalmist is referring to servants of God not everyone and for your information Satan is the god of this world {2Corinthians 4:4} in whose hand all the riches on this planet has been given so he also gives it to whoever he likes! Luke 4:5-7

What is the name of your own church?

If you refer me to my church when you want to answer my question then you must mention yours otherwise there is no need to engage you further!🙂

tctrills:
I used your religion to answer your question and you are getting angry.Your question is,
Jesus called Peter "Satan" so when did Peter become Satan?
My answer Peter became Satan (A Resister) the moment he resisted the blessing of Christ.
The above is the JW answer.
Now can you provide an answer to my question?
Since Jesus Christ called Judas a devil years before he betrayed Jesus, when did he become a devil.
I have been fair in providing an answer to your question even using the doctrine you believe in to clear all doubts.
Now try answering mine. No more beating about the bush

This is the stupidity behind what people do, you kept mentioning "JW" to make the OP feel irritated that he has been commending a JW while you can't relate with any known church for what you are saying yet you can't adequately answer his questions!😂

Guy leave "JW" out of this matter and go straight to what you want to teach if you can't answer my question then stop quoting me.

Jesus called Peter "Satan" so when did Peter become Satan?

That's the question!🙂

tctrills:
According to JW, satan means Resister. So He was correct to call Peter a Resister for resisting Him.
Are you saying it is the same as calling Judas a devil years before the betrayal?

peleson1:
You just talked rubbish 😂😆😂😆😂

Thanks.
I have no business with you i'm here to respond to the OP and he has gotten my message:

Dpsychologist:
You are making sense.

tctrills:
Peter never became satan.

Jesus called Peter "Satan" o! Matthew 16:23

Mrexcell:
I dont think ur figure is actually accurate we have seen countless people make enormous money from their investments in stocks and real estates after so many years.

How many are investing and how many are making it through stocks?

You are only seeing survivors while a lot of investors lost and died in silence!😟

honesttalk21:
See your contradiction now? How will a lesser god create a book to control stronger gods? Subjecte supremacy?

Who are lesser Gods controlling stronger Gods?😟

Mrexcell:
What about people with foresights that created their own future by investing massively in lucrative businesses that later pays back great returns?

90% of them lost all their investments and continued struggling while many due to their loss couldn't bear it so they either committed suicide, grieved to the point of loosing their sanity or died of heart attack.

So it's just a few out of millions who made it that we are seeing today. Ecclesiastes 9:11-12

Humans are Gods too because they are acting as SUPREME RULERS who can call for the execution of another human and force their rules on others.

So if mere humans can do that then a powerful spirit like Satan can do much more!😟

honesttalk21:
Why stop short of the full message? Your Bible says in 2 Corinthians 4 that the god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Notice the small g and doesn't this Bible also mankind are gods too? Stop though this is from a documentation under scrutiny.
Before people began worshipping other than God before Abraham was called wasn't there a time before when people worshiped God?
Who are you to win a soul God hasn't stated to be won and is it you or God that's winning?

Explore2xmore:
Now that looks more like inability to engage any further. Separating people types from the book doesn't auger well for the book.

I am one of the true Christians!

We don't argue needlessly {1Corinthans 9:26} what you are asking will only lead to endless arguments such is only required when you just want to convince yourself of whatever religion you practice your preconceived thought is the driving force so there is nothing like helping anyone to see reasons with your faith and get converted.

In true Christianity our aim is to win a soul and if possible find a better religion than the one we practice.

honesttalk21:
Having trouble with your logic here. What power independent of God does the devil have then how does all this relate?

My Bible says Satan himself is a God so if you don't know what a God can do with regards to writing a message and enforcing it on people then you don't want to learn.
Before God called Abraham people in different places has been worshiping idols and it's demons who are behind such forms of worship so when God started using humans to pen down His own message Satan as the God of this world also did exactly the same thing.