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DarkJeddi:
Of course nothing can come out of nothing, until it's time for your god to magically appear.🤗

There are many unseen forces science agreed to that!🙂

DarkJeddi:
Your bible and what it has to say about creation means less to me than the paper it's written on.
At least I have a use for it.😂

Good!
So if you don't know something there is no need condemning existing answers scientists in the past don't jump ahead of what they don't know they will wait for CLARIFICATION!🙂

DarkJeddi:
I'm made of atoms and elements forged from the dawn of time, I don't need no Creator.😂

Atom comprises of two things which must be accurate in measure before life could be formed.
Abeg is it just by chance that these two things measured themselves or an unseen intelligent designer is behind it? Genesis 1:1🙂

DarkJeddi:
Science doesn't know how man was formed and is still researching about it.

So wait till scientists finds out meanwhile the Bible has the answer:

And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them Genesis 1:27🙂

Reloadedisraelp:
lol... ...I think those people need to visit space or possible visit another planet 😂

The Bible has all the answers but false religions have complicated things.

For instance Moses some 1,000 years before Jesus wrote these things:

God stretches out the northern sky over empty space, Suspending the earth upon nothing. Job 26:7

Please when nobody has ever heard of the FORCES OF GRAVITY who told Moses that a massive rock like our planet earth is HANGING UPON NOTHING?🤔

Moses also wrote again:

God draws up the drops of water; They condense into rain from his mist; Then the clouds pour it down; They shower down upon mankind. Job 36:27-28

Please when nobody has ever heard of the water circle who taught Moses that water evaporates, turn to vapor and fall back to the earth as water?🤔

Isaiah wrote in the Bible:

(God) who dwells above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He is stretching out the heavens like a fine gauze, And he spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. Isaiah 40:22

When nobody believes that the earth is not flat who educated Isaiah that earth is round and its inhabitants are glued to its surface like ants?

So if this same book talks about snakes having legs, talking, donkey talking, fire turning to air conditioner and many other strange things i must be stupid to doubt the person who revealed all these things to Moses and Isaiah when nobody as in NOBODY knew anything about it!🙂

Reloadedisraelp:
and the same science have failed woefully to prove evidence of how man was formed .... Another proof that tells e get where ur limit reach. 🤣

The truth is there are many things that we can't see that is why the Bible (God's word) talked about HEAVEN and ANGELS but if we decide to use our sense of reasoning we will believe the Bible!🙂

Real scientists who have been to many places and encountered so many things say they believe in the existence of God but they can't say much about him but now we have their followers claiming there is no God simply because they can't see Him!😂

DarkJeddi:
Oga,he who asserts must provide proof.
Science has never claimed the existence of heaven nor h£ll so leave it out of this.
You made a claim and it is your responsibility to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.

I never made a claim o!😂

I only accepted what is obvious because if scientists who have invented so many things say they can't rule out God (unseen intelligent being) you who haven't invent anything have no say because they are your OGA in the field of SCIENCE! 🙂

DarkJeddi:
Oga,if you have never been to heaven or h£ll then whatever you claimed to be,pertaining to the truth or not of it is heresy and speculative at best. Your Bible is not a proof of anything and using it to buttress your claim is laughable at best.

The truth is no scientist has ever disputed the fact that there are unseen intelligent forces so if they don't know where these forces come from or live then the Bible can't be ruled out.

Until scientists find out where unseen forces come from or live i will always believe whatever the Bible says about Heaven!🙂

ItShallPass:
Talking about false teachers who teach false doctrines. Not members who hold opposing views. Members with opposing views are addressed differently in Scripture.

So are you saying we shouldn't preach or discuss with a Traditionaliat, Muslim, Judaist or Buddhist because all these people have false doctrines or individuals claiming Christians teaching falsehood?
Please be specific because Paul and Peter are referring to individuals that members already know yet they are to go out and preach to unbelievers who already have their own religious doctrines.🙂

ItShallPass:
Did Jesus send away Thomas for disbelieving? Did Jesus send away Peter for holding contrary opinions? Except for members who sin, there's nowhere in Scripture where it's said that members should be sidelined for holding opposing views. You do yours to the extent that you break homes and destroy families.

Note that Thomas and Peter welcome correction but here Jesus is talking about a so called Christian brother who refused to accept correction after the effort of all members of the congregation! Matthew 18:15-16

ItShallPass:
No, you're being ruled by darkness. Millions are seeing no light except the deceived. Jesus sent us to shine the light into EVERY dark corners of the world. He didn't ask us to watch from a distance or run away from the wolves. Infact, He said "I send you as sheep AMONG WOLVES."

So how come his disciples in the first century were all killed by politicians if they were also into politics dragging offices with worldly politicians?🙂

Two individuals from different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines both claiming Christians surely laid the foundation of their marriage on a time bomb!🙂

DarkJeddi:
Ask you simple question?
Oya, answer this simple question; have you been to heaven or h£ll before?
It's a yes or no question.

This is not how to ask questions you can't ask and at the same time DICTATE how the response should be we are not in an interrogative session where you'll command others.

Are you willing to reason or you just feel like playing around?

There are unseen intelligent creatures and they have an abode like we do on planet EARTH their abode is called HEAVEN.

No scientist has ever disputed the fact that there are unseen forces the only thing they can't explain is where they live or come from which the Bible gives us the answer: HEAVEN!

As for HELL it simply means GRAVE!

Goosethetruth:
Brother,
Thanks but no thanks.

This is a good startup!
Learn to respect others, each person has a right to believe whatever they like as long as they aren't hurting you in any way live and let live.

At least you have learned something to help you on this section instead of just throwing insults at people simply because they don't buy your opinion!🙂

Bitterness is written all over you instead of humbly asking questions you are rudely running around with insults.

Well you need to calm down because it's your heart that you are hurting the true religion will stay forever whether you like it or not!🙂

Goosethetruth:
Oga,
Jehovah's are fake and a manipulative group twisting bible passages to suit Charles Taze's freemason agenda.
Please come over the this interesting thread where your groups manipulation was exposed on a grand scale.😆
https://www.nairaland.com/8088472/manipulation-bible-verses-jehovahs-witness

You love lies shey?
Someone is lying because he has been disfellowshiped for gross immorality out of spite he is cooking lies for you and funny enough with all your so called intelligence you can't even figure out that something is wrong with him!😂

Goosethetruth:
If you have issues comprehending the meanings of those words.

So you mean no translator knows the meaning of those words out of all the translators numbering hundreds who have produced versions upon versions of this book?
Ọmọ you can continue deceiving yourself God never claimed those words it's your pastors who are being presumptuous attributing what is not to God.

For instance Omniscient has been ruled out when God Himself said to Abraham:

Question: Did the Bible God claimed He is OMNIPRESENT?

Answer:
Then the Lord said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.” ‭Genesis 18:20-21 NIV‬

‭Question: Did the Bible God claimed He is Omniscient?

Answer:
“Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.” Genesis 22:12

Regarding apostates saying funny things to blindfold you why not do the investigation yourself?

I was born and raised a Muslim almost becoming an atheist before i found the one and only true religion so if you want know the truth do your own personal research with honesty without being bias!🙂

Goosethetruth:
This heaven and hell,you talk about so glibly,can you point out the location? Is it in the sky? Under the earth? Or under the sea?

You keep hiding behind false religions to condemn all religions.

Face the truth for once if a religion has been claiming all others are false for a century why not ask them simple question instead of using what you want to condemn from false religions to argue?🥱

Goosethetruth:
Guy,
My issue with you is you keep engaging in blind arguments. You are so fixed on your ways. You never research. You just keep repeating yourself like a broken record despite being corrected several times about your sect that was created by Charles Taze for his own selfish reasons.

Just correct me by quoting those words in any version of the Bible:

OMNIPOTENT
OMNIPRESENT
OMNISCIENCE

If you can't there is no need for further arguments you are just following false religious ideas to condemn all religions!🙂

So it's common idea you want to force on God shey?😂

sonmvayina:
It is common knowledge.
Everybody traces their lineage through their father. Not mother.

BItt:
Oga there are hundreds of system of belief that predates your religion and ideas. You adopted their stories and history to build your own divine being. A being which is still flawed by human attributes

Don't feel disturbed due to my comment you can go ahead and say what you will do instead of quoting me Sir!🙂

So there is no Bible verse where OMNISCIENT or OMNIPOTENT is written shey?
Thank you!🙂

Goosethetruth:
A jehovah witness labelling a religion false is a joke. Even calling it a joke is because the mod of this section is too sensitive and has an itchy finger to ban anything against Jehovahs.(He is probably a member of the c---t)
No true biblical scholar rates you guys. Jehovahs belong in the same category as scientology, Mormons and Freemasonry in my humble opinion.
Now you can go ahead and hide the post and ban again. Naa you go tire!😁

CLOUDRepublic:
Will you be coming back to Earth?

This is why we are preaching the GOOD NEWS of God's Kingdom! Matthew 24:14
Though Satan wants to complicate issues by creating false religions that are teaching falsehood everywhere.
For a change try this message today and see if you will like to come back to this planet once again!
Q: Will there always be evildoers?

A: For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth. Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. Psalms 37:9-11 compare to Matthew 5:5

Q: What about oldage?

A: Let his flesh become fresher than in youth; Let him return to the days of his youthful vigor.

Q: What about Death?

A: And (God) will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and DEATH will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. Revelation 21:4

Q: What about Sickness?

A: And no resident will say: “I am sick.” The people dwelling in the land will be pardoned for their error.

Q: What about infirmities?

A: At that time the eyes of the blind will be opened, And the ears of the deaf will be unstopped. At that time the lame will leap like the deer, And the tongue of the speechless will shout for joy. For waters will burst forth in the wilderness, And streams in the desert plain. Isaiah 35:5-6

Q: What about wicked and greedy rulers?

A: In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a (government) that will never be destroyed. And this (government) will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these (governments), and it alone will stand forever. Daniel 2:44

Q: What about wild predators?

A: The wolf and the lamb will feed together, The lion will eat straw just like the bull, And the serpent’s food will be dust. They will do no harm nor cause any ruin in all my holy mountain. Isaiah 65:25; 11:6

Q: How long are we going to live in Paradise?

A: The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Psalms 37:29 compare to John 3:16

This is God's will for inhabitants of this planet.
Now if you have the opportunity to come back when all these things happen?
Will you be glad to come back?

Before you respond listen to what a man said regarding this promise:

‭
“If only you would hide me in the grave and conceal me till your anger has passed! If only you would set me a time and then remember me! If someone dies, will they live again? All the days of my hard service I will wait for my renewal to come. You will call and I will answer you; you will long for the creature your hands have made." Job 14:13-15 NIV‬

Well this is why we are preaching and teaching globally to make people like you appreciate what God purposed for mankind but false religions claiming Christians are really complicating issues for us and they have spread their falsehood about torment after death globally!

By the end of the day you got banned as you are eager to raise insults instead of humbly reasoning with facts.
Well if you care to know there has never been any fake thing without the original somewhere.
So your grievances towards fake religion is justified but its ignorance that could make you assume that there can't be true religion!🙂

ItShallPass:
Lies. That matter was only related to dispute resolution between two people.

If it doesn't involve all members being hostile to an apostate then why did the elders say:
Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them. Romans 16:17 Apostle Paul

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. 11 For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 10-11 Apostle John
Both of them promotes hostility against apostates!🤔

ItShallPass:
But the same Jesus told us that we are the lights of the world. How can we genuinely be lights if we cannot go where darkness is and shine there?

What you should ask is how Christ's first century disciples applied this instruction?
Maintain your conduct fine among the nations, so that when they accuse you of being wrongdoers, they may be eyewitnesses of your fine works and, as a result, glorify God in the day of his inspection. 1Peter 2:12
Maintain a good conscience, so that in whatever way you are spoken against, those who speak against you may be put to shame because of your good conduct as followers of Christ. 1Peter 3:16
So what are sincere observers saying in this regard about Jehovah's Witnesses?

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Millions are seeing the light despite the fact that we don't participate in politics just as our Master Lord and King avoid rulership with the world! John 6:15🙂

Goosethetruth:
So called OMNISCIENT and OMNIPOTENT god was asking Adam,:"Where art thou?"

Please can you quote any verse in Bible where the highlighted words are found WRITTEN?🤔

You people just swallow whatever false religions say and the next thing is you're applying it to everyone.

The Bible God never claimed to be these things so humble yourself and learn!🙂

MiddleDimension:
The veneration of saints and martyrs is why the Catholic Church has done more in the lord's vineyard than ANY CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION in this world.

Please according to the scriptures:

What is the vineyard of the Lord?

What is expected to be done there?🤔

ItShallPass:
Exactly what I said. If one of them makes the truth their own, the family becomes hostile to the one who made the truth his own. But you guys do the opposite! You are the ones who become hostile instead. That's what I condemn!

Question:
According to Jesus if a disciple refuse to accept the discipline of the body of elders what should all members do to him?
Answer:
"If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector" Matthew 18:17
Jews are HOSTILE to tax collectors so what is your point?🙂

ItShallPass:
God is the Creator of the world, He now told you that you should leave the world in Satan's control? Why then did Jesus come into the world?

Jesus came to prepare the faithfuls for God's Kingdom {Matthew 6:10} that is why we must be ready to endure whatever Satan and his human agents are doing now! Matthew 24:13

ItShallPass:
That's unrelated. That's simply because your family could reject you for becoming a disciple of Jesus. Not you rejecting them for not being one.

Guy you can't twist what Jesus himself said his teachings will scatter a family of people who aren't faithful if one or two of them made the truth their own. Simple!🙂
So swallow your statement because Jesus said his teachings will cause division in families! Matthew 10:34-36

ItShallPass:
Who is the Creator of this world?

You don't want to read God's word just because you want to argue shey, were the answer to your question is found in the Bible book of 1John 5:19

We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one

Jesus, his first century disciples or his modern day disciples (JWs) never disputed the fact that God is the Creator but the whole world is controlled by Satan.🙂

ItShallPass:
No. The real Jesus in the Bible does not scatter homes.

So who said:
For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" Matthew 10:35🙂

ItShallPass:
And no, leadership is not Satan's games. God Himself is leader. God's Children can go anywhere and make a difference.

Who is the God of this world according to {2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} and according to Jesus who is the ruler (Prince) controlling this world? John 14:30
Who offered Jesus all the governments of this world? Luke 4:5-7🙂

ItShallPass:
Go and study the procedures outlined in Scripture. You were never asked to scatter families with it.

Hmmmmmmm
Surely you don't know the real Jesus in the Bible, the Jesus your pastors talked to you about is their own fabrication.

This is what the real Jesus said about his teachings when it enters a family:

Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. Matthew 10:34-36

So did Jesus' teaching scatter families or not?

ItShallPass:
Also, If politics is dirty, why can't you go there and be the trail blazer?

It's Satan's game so nobody can play and win that's why Jesus say we should rely on God's Kingdom!🙂

bobestman:
Even when the Messiah was around their were beggers. Their will always be beggers that's why some are rich to help them.

You don't get it yet!🙂
I'm not saying there are no poor ones in our midst but none will go out to beg for food because that is the promise our God made regarding his worshipers after the Messiah has completed his earthly mission.
Before the Messiah it doesn't occur to God's servants that it's absurd for any of them to be a beggar in the streets but after the Messiah has come it was noticed that he never gave a dime out to anyone begging instead he helped them to be fit so they can do something for themselves.
That is what i'm saying so even though there are poor ones in our gathering none will go out to beg for food because we will always help them to get something doing.
Do you have siblings?
How will you feel to see your sibling in the streets begging for food and to worsen matter he/she is begging in the name of your daddy?😟
That is what Jesus meant when he told us:
I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:34-35

This means anyone who is one of Jehovah's Witnesses in any part of the world is my family {Matthew 12:46-50} so even if i don't have enough to cater for him i must leave whatever i'm doing to call all our brothers to come to the rescue of a member of our spiritual family. That is what REAL FAMILIES do for themselves.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses are doing this globally while the rest can't.

Instead of arguing what i expected you to do is ask how we are able to achieve this throughout the world!🙂

AntiChristian:
So of what importance is it that you mentioned ChatGPT?

One of search engines to get answers easily on the topic!