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ItShallPass:
If you love yourselves you would not have to tell us. The whole world would know. The way you even treat so called apostates show you don't have love. You don't even know God.

I said you don't know what it means to be a Christian. Ọmọ it doesn't mean that you should be nice unnecessarily to people who don't value faith o!
Jesus and his apostles commanded us to treat apostates the way we are doing! Matthew 18:15-17; Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11🙂

ItShallPass:
Being in Politics does not mean you live or hate. Many in politics still have love.

Ask politicians and they will tell you it's a dirty game so true disciples of Christ don't engage in such things. 🙂

ItShallPass:
I have NEVER SEEN A SO CALLED JEHOVAH WITNESS WHO LAYS DOWN HIS LIFE FOR THE GOSPEL. Fake love.

You have never seen because you are not close to us nah.

See my brothers imprisoned for their faith!🙂

AntiChristian:
But this is actually not ChatGPT! That's the only AI you know hence all AI models are ChatGPT!

What you said is true there was never a doctrine called Trinity in the first, second until the third century anyone can find that on AI. 🙂

You make it seem as if you want to joke about this matter but i will set matters straight!🙂

OK let me pick just two out of what Jesus and his Apostles taught Jehovah's Witnesses and let's see if it also works among those religions claiming Christians:

Jesus said Jehovah's Witnesses must have love among ourselves just as he loves us {John 13:34-35} that means there is no political ruler who can order us to lift up weapons against our fellow believers because we love our fellow believers in all the countries of the world just as Jesus was ready to die for his disciples.
This is the reason why you can never see a member of Jehovah's Witnesses either in politics or military services.

But can you say the same for these other religions?
Of course they will pick up weapons in the name of war to kill their fellow believers in other places something real disciples of Christ will rather lay down our lives instead of raising weapons against our brothers!

The Apostles taught us to always obey the authorities because God permitted them to be in power until his kingdom comes {Romans 13:1-4 compare to Matthew 22:21} but can you say the same about those religions claiming Christians?
Of course their leaders teaches them to protest against the authorities.

So my guy in true Christianity our doctrine is the same globally it's our attitude due to economic conditions that differs.🙂

ItShallPass:
But due to economic conditions in different countries attitude of Jehovah's Witnesses in certain areas affects their thinking not doctrine

But due to economic conditions in different countries attitude of Winners' Chapel members in certain areas affects their thinking not doctrine
But due to economic conditions in different countries attitude of RCCG members in certain areas affects their thinking not doctrine
But due to economic conditions in different countries attitude of Deeper Life members in certain areas affects their thinking not doctrine
But due to economic conditions in different countries attitude of Christ Embassy members in certain areas affects their thinking not doctrine
But due to economic conditions in different countries attitude of CAC Members in certain areas affects their thinking not doctrine
Shall I continue?
What you call Jehovah Witness religion is just like another denomination of Christianity. Calling it a new religion does not make any changes.

Extracts from the world's ChatGPT!🙂

ItShallPass:
The Churches in Revelation to whom Jesus sent letters all had divergent doctrines but Jesus still called them His Church.

Highlighted is a big lie!😟

All the churches in the first century have the same doctrine {John 17:22} and they judge matters the same way {1Corinthans 1:10} their problem back then was due to geographic locations.

For instance there are Jehovah's Witnesses in all the countries of the world today and we all believe and teach the same thing because it's what the group representing the apostles in our headquarters teaches us that we spread just as it was in the first century! Act 2:42

But due to economic conditions in different countries attitude of Jehovah's Witnesses in certain areas affects their thinking not doctrine

That is what Jesus said because in some places our brothers are not actively participating in preaching and teaching due to their attitude towards material possessions but if you should approach any Jehovah's Witness in any country it's the same beliefs we have but the zeal to go out and preach what they know is not burning {Revelation 3:16} yet that is the spirit Jesus expected of all his disciples. John 2:17 compare to Psalms 69:9

So don't be deceived different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are not Christians!🙂

bobestman:
Your JW changed the life of the begger and you are hyping them and challenging others?
How about those other religions have changed their lives? All religion believes in giving to the poor and changing lives. How about those who don't believe in religion but have done far more than this? Giving or changing lives can't be used to say which religion is good or bad. It's part of religion. Thieves change people's life. Politicians who steal also do the same. You people do certain things cos of your religion. A man who don't believe in religion but help the poor and needy has done more cos true religion is love

You don't get it!🙂


Our God promised that there will never be found a beggar among His true servants {Psalms 23:1; 37:25} there is no religion that can boast and say
"we have no beggars in our midst"
This means even though there are rich as well as wealthy members in their midst all those religions still have members who goes out to beg for money in the name of their gods {Micah 4:5} but in the true religion such can never ever happen.

For instance the richest black man in Africa is Aliko Dangote (a Muslim) and there are many extremely wealthy Muslims around the world yet millions of Muslims across the globe are beggars.

Do you understand what our God is saying now?🙂

Biodun556:
They have taken their rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah,1 even though they were commanded to worship none but One God. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him. Glorified is He above what they associate ˹with Him˺!
Quran 9 vs 31

Muhammad fabricating things because of the actions of Roman Catholics of his day!🥱

Goosethetruth:
I don't need you to trash an imaginary being. I only advise you to read your religious book with a critical mind.

Obviously you have nothing tangible to offer but if you want to prove me wrong below are the two questions the Bible God answered satisfactorily so when you are ready address them appropriately!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
*What have you discovered so far in politics and how humans have dominated other humans forcefully to the injury of the subjects?

*What do you think is the future of mankind as a few keeps on dominating the majority which is the major cause of disputes, wars, killings and suffering?

ItShallPass:
He was talking to all believers in Christ Jesus collectively as nation.

So are these "BELIEVERS" organized and united in faith {John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10} or they are scattered in different religions contradicting one another in doctrines? Luke 11:23

Let's use Jesus' and his disciple's words to IDENTIFY them and not what we feel! Matthew 15:7-9🙂

Guy you want everyone to trash God figure so let's imagine we all agreed with you can you now address those two questions?🤔

Goosethetruth:
Don't you think the problems of the world can be traced back to your god because if he actually created and willed everything in the world in to existence,where is he/it?
Why has he disappeared from appearing to mankind since the invention of cameras and recording devices?
After all in your religious book he was magically appearing to people but has strangely refused to appear to modern men since the invention of recording devices.
Back to your question, I should probably paraphrase Friedrich Nietzsche, the German philosopher,who postulated that,"God is dead. Long live the superman.(Gott ist tot)
God is either sleeping,dead or non concerned with world problems. The superman rules.

ItShallPass:
That scriptures says to me, "You are a holy nation."

Please leave my group and focus on what Peter said:

Was Peter addressing one person or an organized group?

Was he referring to individuals found in different religions claiming Christians or a specific group?

ItShallPass:
1Peter 2:9
"But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;"

Note what Peter said:
Chosen generation.
Royal priesthood.
Holy nation.
Special people.

Who formed this nation?

Are they individuals found in different religions claiming Christians?
Or
An organized group unitedly worshiping the same way?🤔

sonmvayina:
The foundation for JW is wrong and i keep pointing you out to it and you keep saying the group is performing, performing what?

God promised that He will destroy those evil people we are seeing today {Psalms 37:6-11} but before doing that He said a warning will be sounded globally {Zephaniah 2:2-3} there will be an organized group doing this {Psalms 110:3} and what will be the sign that the time is almost here?
God said His own worshipers will gather themselves throughout the world and use His word to set matters straight among themselves.
Stop the production, buying, selling and using weapons among themselves, and they will no longer learn how to kill! Isaiah 2:2-4

That is what Jehovah's Witnesses have achieved globally among ourselves!🙂

Goosethetruth:
Lol...😄
The logical conclusion is the glaring fact that god is non existent and all the variants of gods and religious sects are mere creation of mere mortals.

The highlighted is false!

The true God made a strange promise that is extremely impossible for humans to achieve and to my surprise He has achieved it globally!

For instance in the book of Psalms 37:25 i read:

I was young and now I am old, yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken or their children begging bread. Psalms 37:25 NIV

Note what the Psalmist claimed:

Righteous servants of God will never be forsaken nor children raised by such ones become beggars in the streets! Psalms 23:1

Well the Bible God has achieved this globally among His worshipers today!

See the screenshot below and try making a thorough search or research to find a street beggar one of Jehovah's Witnesses in any country throughout the world.

This man was a street beggar before we preached to him and today he has stopped begging because Jehovah has changed his life. I challenge all other religions to come and prove how their God is doing the same if truly their God is not false.

Where you are erring seriously is how you failed to notice the difference between true and false religion!🙂

Goosethetruth:
Lol...😃
I am a polymath. Bring any issue and I can discuss it with you. Religion,business, history,music,films , old movies,politics,sports,building engineering and so on. I am at home in many fields.
As for the disputes and war of the world's that led to domination of majority by the few such as the United Nations where the few nations that have a veto can easily out vote the majority don't you think that all the problems of the world are a failure on the part of your omnipotent god?
Is it that your god created the world and withdrew into his cocoon and went to sleep? 😃
My friend,this place is for Christianity, etc. Let's discuss religion here because most Christians don't even know anything about their religion.
On the other hand if you want to discuss politics open a thread in the politics section and tag me to meet you there. Cheers.

The reason why i asked this question is how this God promised to end politics and suffering that is why i brought it here instead of politics section.
Meanwhile the Bible God never claimed to be omnipotent it's humans that are presumptuously saying things that this God never claimed.
So i will like you to put aside this issue of God for the moment and let us focus on the two questions.

*What have you discovered so far in politics and how humans have dominated other humans forcefully to the injury of the subjects?

*What do you think is the future of mankind as a few keeps on dominating the majority which is the major cause of disputes, wars, killings and suffering?

The Bible God has made a promise and so far so good He has been working towards His promises which i have witnessed myself.
But that aside please answer the questions if you are truly knowledgeable as you claimed.

Thanks in advance!🙂

Goosethetruth:
A saddening fact about Christians is a blatant refusal to search the origin of their religion. It is as if Christians have a morbid fear that researching the origins of stories they have held dear to heart will shake the foundations of all their beliefs. On this thread we are going to attempt to research the origins of Christianity. If you are offended and not interested in knowledge you are free to stop reading at this point. If you are not offended and wish to gain a little knowledge then you are free to follow me down the rabbit hole.
Whatever is written in this thread can be freely cross checked and researched independently.

Through your profile i discovered you are so much drawn to POLITICS.

*What have you discovered so far in politics and how humans have dominated other humans forcefully to the injury of the subjects?

*What do you think is the future of mankind as a few keeps on dominating the majority which is the major cause of disputes, wars, killings and suffering?

Thanks in advance!🙂

ItShallPass:
Yes. A spiritual nation is not a kingdom hall where different unrefined and ignorant folks worship together.

I'm not asking for the opposite of what Jesus said you can't know the opposite if you don't know the real meaning of a word!
So i asked you again:
What nation did Jesus had in mind? Matthew 21:43🙂

Each year people makes, buy and seek weapons worth billions of dollars.

Please what has this love achieved?🤔

Bahamas95:
The fact that Israel is constitutionally /politically described as a Jewish state doesn't mean Christianity is banned. This OP is not okay at all.

He is correct!
From day one Christianity was banned in that nation {John 9:22; Act 4:18; 5:28,40} and till today Jews are still seeking a way to outlaw Christianity.

https://www.youtube.com/live/Za5L5G08A8g?si=aQTkO-2prMI9TbkQ

https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/proposed-bill-to-criminalise-speaking-about-jesus-in-israel-is-just-one-guys-axe-to-grind

The only reason why their parliament can't come to a conclusive agreement to ban the Christian faith is because all the countries supporting Israel today are claiming Christians!😟

ItShallPass:
Micah 4:5 is a nation's resolve voiced by Micah. He tells the nation what they most do. That does not give the nation an identity with God. New Testament believers will stand alone before God as disciples of Christ, not as members of a congregation.

Micah isn't talking about a literal nation but spiritual. Jesus interpreted what Micah wrote when he told the Jews:

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Matthew 21:43

The Jews strongly believe they are the nation calling the true God but here Jesus said God has given His Kingdom to a nation bringing forth the fruit of faith. Can you tell me what nation Jesus is talking about?🤔



New Testament Believers!🙂

So according to the new testament we must assemble with people who believe the same thing not when you gather with people that doesn't even know you in person.

You people deceives yourselves a lot because if we are to agree with what you just said that means new testament believers could be found in virtually all religions claiming Christians.

Yet you will not worship with Cele, Cherubim or any other white garment churches but they are also claiming they are new testament believers o!🥱

sonmvayina:
Leave the interpretation to me.....

This is where you will always have issues with me because if each person have to INTERPRET the Bible then there is no need arguing on Bible verses you'll interpret your own way while i will also interpret my own way.

That is why i always ask you to present a group of people applying this your interpretation let's see what they're able to achieve among themselves as evidence that they truly got the interpretation correctly.

But each time you will conclude that it's a cult that must agree on interpretation yet you expect other people to agree with your interpretation!🥱

sonmvayina:
where did God, the creator say he was coming as a man?
what are you pulling up?
how do they relate to what we are saying and discussing?

I'm explaining to you how people mixed up things.

God said He is going to Egypt in time of Moses only to send Moses so God also said He is coming only to send Jesus but anyone can read the Bible and conclude that since God said He is coming then Jesus is God.

The truth remains that Jesus is the Messiah who has come as God's representative just like Moses!🙂

ItShallPass:
Exactly. Not Bolaji's own. I saw Bolaji's own is international Christian centre. That's not where I attend.
Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord Jesus in truth is my fellow worshipper. They're not defined by denomination, group or assembly.

According to the Bible each individual is defined by his or her religion {Micah 4:5} otherwise believing in Jesus shouldn't be the only means of salvation! John 3:16

It's like someone claiming Muslim saying everyone who calls on the name of Allah is his fellow worshiper knowing fully well that there are groups claiming Muslims yet their mode of worship is to kill people of other religions!

ItShallPass:
He is not the founder where I worship.

Hmmmmmmm, and i thought you are different.🤔
OK you worship at another church called by the same group name "HARVESTERS CHURCH" but not Mr Bolaji Idowu's own?
If so do you view Mr Bolaji Idowu and Mr William Kumuyi as your fellow worshipers?🙂

sonmvayina:
knew what?
when did GOD say he was coming as a human being.

God said He is coming:


“See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes." ‭Malachi 4:5 NIV‬

Where the churches of Christendom got this wrong is their failure to STUDY God's word.

God said the same thing when the Israelites were enslaved in the land of Egypt there God said He is going to deliver His people from Egypt {Exodus 3:7-8} but did God came down in person?
NO! Instead He made Moses a God to represent Him! Exodus 7:1
So God told the Israelites that in the same way He will send another prophet like Moses as His representative {Deuteronomy 18:18} that is why the Christ will be called"mighty God" {Isaiah 9:6} and in his presence Israelites will feel their God is with them! Isaiah 7:14

So God will not come down in person but the Christ (Messiah) will represent God just as Moses did!

ItShallPass:
I don't know Bolaji Ìdòwú. Simple!

Well he founded that Harvesters Church where you are worshiping.
Now imagine if someone should ask a disciple of Christ in the first century what he knows about Jesus or any of the apostles and he answered:
"I don't know"
How will you view such an individual?

Jesus said:


“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. ‭Matthew 7:15 NIV‬

Do you think it makes sense gathering with people you don't even know? Psalms 1:1 🤔

sonmvayina:
Nj
There is no prophet that reported that God was going to come as a human being?

Then the Lord said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. ‭Exodus 7:1 NIV‬

“I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ ‭Psalms 82:6 NIV‬

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. ‭Isaiah 9:6 NIV‬

The Jews knew very well that the Christ will be a God in their midst!

ItShallPass:
There are many Churches by that name.

So now you want to start lying, shey?
So you don't even know that churches of Christendom often register names?
Please take good care of yourself!🙂

ItShallPass:
I don't know Bolaji Ìdòwú or whatever he teaches. His teachings cannot determine anything about me. I am of Christ and not of any man.

Bolaji is founder Harvesters Church as he wants to harvest (make members) where he did not sow (Gbagada) so if you are a member of that church and you don't care about how the founder started it says a lot about the type of person you are! Matthew 7:16-18

ItShallPass:
If characters are what makes Christ disciples known, why did Paul say "The Lord knows then that are His..." That is because people can pretend and behave themselves in public without having any genuine relationship with God.

I told you it's not by their character nah!🤔
Jesus' disciples earned that group name "CHRISTIANS" collectively because of their ACTIVITIES which are PREACHING and TEACHING in their neighborhood.

CHARACTER is Peter the anxious {Matthew 16:19-21} Judas the greedy one {Matthew 26:14-16} Thomas the one who doubts. John 20:25

But what makes people IDENTIFY them as Christ's disciples is the ACTIVITY that they all engage in collectively which is the preaching and teaching in their neighborhood!

yommyuk:
Source is about the intent of the giver. Your source as a living being.
Unless you have concluded that your flesh ( outer body is the real u).

We talking about your most inner person, sanctified and made holy to act right and do the right thing. Not under compulsion or for applause.
You tithe because that is what God has commandment with a promise for blessing afterward. I will be a liar if I say I am not partly motivated about the blessing that comes after. But one thing I know, is that, when we give our tithes, something good always comes afterwards. It may be towards it's intended use or towards the giver. That is not the tithers doing. But the Lord working within, for us tithers to do his good pleasure. We love God, that is one of the reason, we tithe. How do u choose to love God? Your choice bro.

In the Old Testament Israelites were asked to bring so many things to the temple and get the blessings of God in return tithe is just one out of more than fifty so if someone is using animal as sacrifice to the Bible God claiming he always receives blessings from God do not frown at it because it's WRITTEN in the Bible!🥱

Nobellight77:
I out of here. Ponder on the answers I gave and do deligent research to learn more. Bye. 2 Timothy 2:23

You people don't know the scriptures but wants to argue and when you see that your beliefs are not grounded in God's word you will use the escape route!🥱

ItShallPass:
I don't have anything to do with Bolaji Ìdòwú. I don't even know him.

You don't have to know him in person just as i don't know Jesus facially but it is through the fruit of his teachings that i began to love him {Matthew 7:15-20} so it's what Bolaji Idowu teaches that will determine your beliefs definitely your faith has everything to do with Bolaji Idowu!🙂

ItShallPass:
You didn't prove anything about your organization. Jesus' followers are not known by mere activities.

Please don't say what you don't know because in the Bible the disciples of Jesus has different characters but it is their activities as a group that makes people identify them. Act 4:13
It's their activities that made the people living in an ancient city called Antioch to mock them with that group name "CHRISTIANS" as they see them doing the preaching and teaching work Jesus mandated for his disciples exactly as he instructed! Act 11:26