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blueAgent:
Yes ,Angels are sons of God.
You are just looking for excuse to run, it is clear in my quotes that I know Angels are called Sons of God so also men are called Sons of God.

blueAgent:
The same Jesus, you ppl claim is an angel and not the Son of God?
Confused ppl

Ken4Christ:
Don't worry. My books exposing your false teachings will soon be released.

CaseSensitive:
I said I SEE your point, that means I acknowledge it. It doesn’t mean I GET your point, and I certainly never said I do. It’s hard to "get" the point of people like you. You know why? Because you’re not any different from every other religious nutcase out there. You all churn out the same tone-deaf rhetoric, sanctimonious and garnished with Bible verses but lacking a shred of logic.

There’s nothing you want to tell me that I haven’t heard before. The guy from Redeemed Christian Church of God says their Jesus is the best. The one from Winners Chapel says their Jesus tastes better. Now here you are, Jehovah’s Witness, insisting your Jesus “stands out differently.” Jesus is a marketplace brand at this point and I’m not buying, even if it’s on a 2 for 1 discount.

Have I heard of Jehovah’s Witnesses? God, yes and I probably might puke the next time one of your evangelists asks if I’ve “got a minute to spare.” If I kept all the pamphlets they've given me, it just might be enough for me to start a lucrative paper recycling business. Each one selling the same utopian fantasy of heaven on earth. Meanwhile, the world’s on fire and religion’s got both hands in the fuel tank.

You said they found you. What were you, lost? Besides, I never asked how you became a Christian. Whether you were born into it or “found,” that’s your own spaghetti with chocolate sauce, and it's certainly between you and your own spiritual GPS. It still doesn’t change the fact that most Nigerian Christians were born into religion, not reasoned into it.

And I love how you completely sidestepped every point I made. I expected at least a whiff of reasoning, maybe something about the rot and division foreign religions have caused but, as usual, it’s just another sales pitch. No substance, just vibes and recycled Bible verses. Why think when the Bible can do it for you, right?

And that verse you quoted - “Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles”, are you actually asking me? Have you even seen grapes? Has the average Nigerian? That’s exactly my point: this foreign religion you swallowed doesn’t even speak to your own culture or environment. Grapes grow where those stories happened - the Middle East. Nigeria. Yet you build your whole life worshipping metaphors from a land you’ll never visit, about fruits you’ll never taste, written in a language that was never yours. But sure, quote away.

No, I’m not joining your Jehovah’s Witness organization. The world is not the utopia you people keep advertising. The same religion that claims to save humanity has been the most efficient tool for dividing and controlling it and the same people who weaponized religion are the ones who are ruining the world but sure, keep dreaming about “heaven on earth.” Whatever helps you sleep through the chaos.

Oh, and I read that your president’s son is distributing one million Bibles for his 40th birthday. Because of course, religion is the leash, and you all wear it like gold jewellry. But religion has nothing to do with politics, right? They're not creating 1000 jobs or micro loans but 1 million bibles. If each of those bibles cost $1, that's 1 million dollar that could've empower some youths, or supported entrepreneurs. Who's leading the distribution? The Christian Association of Nigeria. But sure, go collect yours. Doesn’t matter if you already own one, at the end of the day, what’s better than one Bible? Two! Gift it to another “lost soul.” You’ll all be fine in the end.

blueAgent:
Keep fooling yourself.
You are looking for a way out.
I have never doubted that other angels are called Sons of God, what I asked is why is that other Angels do not have the Form of God, bear his name, forgive sin like him, recieve worship e.t.c simple question and you are running round the bush, E choke you I know.

blueAgent:
The same Jesus, you ppl claim is an angel and not the Son of God?
Confused ppl

Jamestaiwo:
How does this relate?

Jamestaiwo:
And again, where do you see that?

blueAgent:
Tell me why other Angels do not bear GOD'S name, forgive sin, recieve worship,share God's glory, I can go on and on.

blueAgent:
Keep deceiving yourself.

Are humans not also called God's son?

blueAgent:
If I have 5sons.
And I tell you, That one is my biological son.
And the other 4 are my adopted sons, are they not all my Sons?
Do the other sons of God have the Image, name ,form,or the fullness of the Deity of God in them?
8. Colossians 2:9
In [Christ] all the fullness of deity dwells bodily.
7. Colossians 1:15
[Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created…
6. Philippians 2:5-7
Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
3. John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John begins his Gospel by talking about “the Word” and saying essentially three things about “the Word”:
He existed “in the beginning,” which is a reference to creation (Genesis 1:1). “The Word” was with God.
“The Word” was God.

sonmvayina:
like i said earlier, there are many sons of God around the time of the Jesus story. in fact for you to be somebody your father has to be a god and your mother a virgin. i can give you 10 sons of God if you want me to.....
Justin martyr an early church father had this to say concerning Jesus :
“And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter(God). .......nothing different. Mercury, Aesculapius, Dioscuri; and Perseus,etc. The idea was already there
but the Jewish messiah is a man from the line of David through Solomon his son. Jesus does not qualify at all.

for proper understanding of Daniel 9 see
https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/daniel-9-a-true-biblical-interpretation/

AntiChristian:
None!
If one could be dubious then all could be the same!

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

MaxInDHouse:
You don't get my point!

I wasn't born a Christian but they found me. Have you heard of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Well that is the one and only Christian group that meets up with all the things Jesus taught not individually because he wasn't talking about each individual meeting up with what is perfect but as a group.
So any other group claiming Christians are fake if we have to go by what Jesus of Nazareth said:

"By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?  Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit" Matthew 7:16-18

God's purpose was to gather all faithful people throughout the earth and form a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3} once that has been achieved what sincere and honest hearted individuals need to do is join the organization that's meeting up with this goal. Of course JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES stands out differently and the whole world knows this!

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

CaseSensitive:
I see your point but historically, Christianity has always coexisted with politics, power, and human imperfection, whether early believers were oppressed or bishops wielded authority. Claiming a single global group today perfectly embodies Jesus’ teachings might make for a neat story, but history and human nature suggest it’s more complicated than any one sect can capture. Even the first disciples disagreed on interpretation and practice. Historically, faith and politics have often mixed (even when Christians were persecuted), and different contexts produced very different practices. That’s part of the reasons why there are different Christian denominations and churches.

Even early believers disagreed on theology, rituals, and interpretation of Jesus’ teachings. Different regions, languages, and cultures shaped how Christians practiced their faith, take for example, Greek speaking communities interpreted scripture differently from Latin speaking ones. Then over centuries, debates about issues like the nature of Christ (Arianism vs. Nicene Creed), baptism, or Eucharist led to further splits. Then there’s political and cultural pressures such as when Roman emperors, European monarchs, or colonial administrations also influenced which forms of Christianity dominated in particular areas. When Europeans brought Christianity to Africa, they also introduced denominations linked to their home countries: Anglican, Catholic, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc.

Later, independent African churches emerged, mixing Christianity with local beliefs and practices (insert your Celestial Church of Christ, Cherubim & Seraphim etc), further increasing diversity. Today in Nigeria, there’s a “Mountain of Jesus Miracles” and “Fire of Heaven Ministries” in every corner or half of mile radius to another. I’m not making this things up, they are facts and our current realities. So weeds and seeds have always been mixed, and that’s not the kind of religion I want to be associated with and I give no special merit or consideration to the “global sect practicing what Jesus taught”, that’s their conviction and perogative.

But I’ll still stand on the point that Christianity in Nigeria is fundamentally a foreign religion. Many of us were born into it; we didn’t choose it. Africa seems to be the only continent where borrowed religions dominate entire societies. Contrast that with China despite political divisions, their culture has remained largely intact because they weren’t colonized by foreign religions and that has held them together. We see result of that today. Part of the challenge we face is this very history of imported belief shaping identities and society.

Now this is not even about me and Christianity, I’m now talking societal cohesion, that’s what I care about more. Because religion has caused division more than unity in human history. I mean you probably have witnessed the archetypes of societal degeneration here on this forum, where keyboard warriors launch attack on each other over religion, religions that weren’t fundamentally theirs in the first place. You see "Christians" on here supporting genocide orchestrated by Israel in Gaza, because they are "Christians" and they believe the Palestinians deserve death because they are "Muslims" and by extension are "terrorists". Where is the humanity? You hear almost daily stories of “church pastors” do the unthinkable and “GOs” on one hand preach armageddon on humanity while on the other hand preach prosperity while church pastor’s wallet gets fatter. To me, these illustrate the human complications of faith intertwined with society. "My sect practice christianity differently" just doesn't cut it for me. Of course without any disrespect to you or your faith.

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

CaseSensitive:
I see your point but historically, Christianity has always coexisted with politics, power, and human imperfection, whether early believers were oppressed or bishops wielded authority. Claiming a single global group today perfectly embodies Jesus’ teachings might make for a neat story, but history and human nature suggest it’s more complicated than any one sect can capture. Even the first disciples disagreed on interpretation and practice. Historically, faith and politics have often mixed (even when Christians were persecuted), and different contexts produced very different practices. That’s part of the reasons why there are different Christian denominations and churches.

Even early believers disagreed on theology, rituals, and interpretation of Jesus’ teachings. Different regions, languages, and cultures shaped how Christians practiced their faith, take for example, Greek speaking communities interpreted scripture differently from Latin speaking ones. Then over centuries, debates about issues like the nature of Christ (Arianism vs. Nicene Creed), baptism, or Eucharist led to further splits. Then there’s political and cultural pressures such as when Roman emperors, European monarchs, or colonial administrations also influenced which forms of Christianity dominated in particular areas. When Europeans brought Christianity to Africa, they also introduced denominations linked to their home countries: Anglican, Catholic, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc.

Later, independent African churches emerged, mixing Christianity with local beliefs and practices (insert your Celestial Church of Christ, Cherubim & Seraphim etc), further increasing diversity. Today in Nigeria, there’s a “Mountain of Jesus Miracles” and “Fire of Heaven Ministries” in every corner or half of mile radius to another. I’m not making this things up, they are facts and our current realities. So weeds and seeds have always been mixed, and that’s not the kind of religion I want to be associated with and I give no special merit or consideration to the “global sect practicing what Jesus taught”, that’s their conviction and perogative.

But I’ll still stand on the point that Christianity in Nigeria is fundamentally a foreign religion. Many of us were born into it; we didn’t choose it. Africa seems to be the only continent where borrowed religions dominate entire societies. Contrast that with China despite political divisions, their culture has remained largely intact because they weren’t colonized by foreign religions and that has held them together. We see result of that today. Part of the challenge we face is this very history of imported belief shaping identities and society.

Now this is not even about me and Christianity, I’m now talking societal cohesion, that’s what I care about more. Because religion has caused division more than unity in human history. I mean you probably have witnessed the archetypes of societal degeneration here on this forum, where keyboard warriors launch attack on each other over religion, religions that weren’t fundamentally theirs in the first place. You see "Christians" on here supporting genocide orchestrated by Israel in Gaza, because they are "Christians" and they believe the Palestinians deserve death because they are "Muslims" and by extension are "terrorists". Where is the humanity? You hear almost daily stories of “church pastors” do the unthinkable and “GOs” on one hand preach armageddon on humanity while on the other hand preach prosperity while church pastor’s wallet gets fatter. To me, these illustrate the human complications of faith intertwined with society. "My sect practice christianity differently" just doesn't cut it for me. Of course without any disrespect to you or your faith.

CaseSensitive:
Sure, if by ‘true Christians’ you mean the ideal in theory. But historically, Christianity has always been linked with political power, from Constantine’s empire, the Crusades to European colonisation of Africa. Claiming ‘true Christianity’ magically removes politics is like saying a car drives itself better when nobody touches the wheel. Faith exists in practice, not just in theory. You can't separate the two bro but of course I'm always willing to learn, I want to be "shocked!"

CaseSensitive:
Absolutely, but the core tenets of the two main Abrahamic religions (Christianity and Islam) were fundamentally intertwined with politics from the outset, often weaving religious authority with political power. Both religions are now tools in the hand of politicians (Nigeria is a case study). And yes, Ghandi is right in his expression. Many Nigerians today was born into Christianity (like myself), it wasn't a religion I chose. From when I was a little boy, I just knew I went to Church, read the bible, pray to Jesus etc until I actually opened my eyes and my mind and realised I actually don't need Jesus to mediate with God on my behalf because I am a precious piece of that God.

No matter who brought Christianity to Nigeria, it still doesn't change the fact that Christianity is a foreign religion and it erodes who we are at our source. I would assume that's one of the main reason it was brought in the first place (mental colonisation) I have no issues with people who practice it with common sense without losing sense of self, I have no issue with people who practice any other religion - in fact, I draw lessons from Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Ifa etc. I believe in truth, self-discipline, ethical living. I live in a way that is consistent with moral and spiritual truths rather than dogmatic rituals. That way, my mind is open, I can see life in different perspective and interact with it accordingly. I get to be who I am as an African, a yoruba man who is one with nature and deeply respect the balance of it, rather than been defined by a foreign religion or confined to one.

CaseSensitive:
I didn't say the British invented Christianity or brought it to Africa first, but they sure franchised it well for the Nigeria market. Did your fore fathers practice Christianity before the British arrived? Most probably not.

blueAgent:
As usual, you guys are masters at cherry picking bible verses to support your lies while ignoring other verses.

Psalm 2:7
“I will declare the decree:
The LORD has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.

Where the other Angels begotten?

blueAgent:
Abeg interpret this Bible verse for me.
Hebrews 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

CaseSensitive:
When this one is arrested now for constituting public nuisance especially if her COS is on shaky grounds, they will say na village people. The British brought you Christianity not because they want to "save your soul" but to steal from you. Now you're bringing the same recycled mind-numbing religion back to them to "save soul". You will learn.

blueAgent:
Fake church.

blueAgent:
The same Jesus, you ppl claim is an angel and not the Son of God?
Confused ppl

press9jatv:
Nigeria politicians you mentioned here do door to door campaign now. Everyone knows that. The lady in question did evangelism in the bus, her crime is she video herself in the bus. Do you know series of evangelists that evangelised in the bus in Nigeria per day niiiii. Maybe because you don't see their videos on the media space. Everything is about the sacrifice here. The lady in question video herself cos' of the tech age in this era.

press9jatv:
chaii money is the money is the motivator why she's doing that. But some people are doing that without videoing themselves. Some don't even love to videoing themselves. What of that one too? Is it money niiii? We are in the digital world.

press9jatv:
Haaa I hope she reads your response here. She worship in Christ Embassy church. What of If she's been moved by the holy spirit