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Benbellamor:
You insist that only Monogamist can be an overseer.

Am i the one saying this or God's word?

1Timothy 3:2
Titus 1:6

Ọmọ if we are talking about Christianity it's either you are in or out there is no two ways about it!

These are lies from Satan and his demons disguising as angel of light! 2Corinthians 11:14

Jesus sent his disciples to go preaching and teaching from house to house so the presence of his disciples at your doorstep determines the judgement not Jesus appearing to anyone otherwise let this appearing Jesus show itself to everyone.

Judgment starts when you refuse to join other imperfect humans in worship so if you can't find a better performing group to join for worship you are condemning yourself!

Benbellamor:
you can't point to any bible verse that makes it compulsory for every christian to marry Only one wife

You don't understand the scriptures but i will teach for the benefit of interested followers of this thread.

Jesus said:

"Truly I say to you, among those born of women, there has not been raised up anyone greater than John the Baptist, but a lesser person in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is" Matthew 11:11

All those who lived before John the baptist can't qualify for everlasting life until they are taught what Jesus the only way to life taught {John 14:6} so the way to everlasting life was first opened when people started listening to Jesus' words .

As for all those who lived before John the baptist they will still be resurrected to learn what Jesus taught for another 1,000 years and master it before they can qualify for everlasting life but among Christians some are qualified already for everlasting life because they will be taken to heaven where Satan can't reach them again.

That's why Jesus said all those who lived before John are lesser while those who are listening to him are greater than John in fact whoever hasn't learned from Jesus is still considered dead from God's standpoint even while they are still breathing! Luke 9:60 compare to Revelations 20:5-6

Benbellamor:
was apostle Paul a monogamist? As you claim as the only approved status to be an overseer.....
You can't answer that
So according to your standard
Apostle Paul is not eligible for an overseer.

You are trying to be funny shey?

Well Jesus said it's either a Christian isn't married at all {Matthew 19:12} and Paul said monogamy so Paul is qualified according to Jesus and also monogamists!

Benbellamor:
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Jesus gave condition for taking a second wife, that you must not divorce the first wife except she committed adultery

NO! Divorce means sending her away and getting another wife not polygamy!

Benbellamor:
you are confusing yourself
Standard that was set in the old testament by Moses through inspiration allowed a man to marry a second wife. Exodus 10:21
Exodus 10:21

10) If he takes another wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of his first wife

The standard God set in the beginning was disrupted when Adam and Eve rebelled against God the laws given to Isrealites through Moses was to lead them until the arrival of Christ {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} that law wasn't given to make adherents perfect neither does it guarantee everlasting life! Hebrews 7:11

Benbellamor:
You have to admit that you actually lied about monogamist as the only ones that can qualify as overseers.

Please can you explain what apostle Paul meant in the below verses?😟

The overseer should therefore be irreprehensible, a husband of one wife, moderate in habits, sound in mind, orderly, hospitable, qualified to teach. 1Timothy 3:2

If there is any man free from accusation, a husband of one wife, having believing children who are not accused of debauchery or rebelliousness. Titus 1:6

immortalcrown:
I never said that generosity should not be demonstrated in the house of God. Meanwhile, the first place to show generosity is at home. Who you are at home determines your personality in the house of God.

Do you know any sane human who does not spend his money firstly on members of his own household?😟

Benbellamor:
Paul wasn't a monogamist yet he officiated at the alter!
Your analogy just exposed you Big time
I have always said it that principle of one wife has no basis in the scripture

Paul never married just like Jesus so that means when talking about marriage he's acting in line with what Jesus laid down {Matthew 19:12} but anyone who marries more than one wife is against the standard God set in the beginning.

All those who lived before Jesus said this were declared righteous because they don't have the opportunity to hear from Jesus!

Benbellamor:
Then Apostle Paul isn't fit for the Alter because is isn't a monogamist!!
Can you see how your trying to force a concept that doesn't exist failed woefully
Malachi is still under the old law? Old testament. So in light of That, Jacob dealt treacherously with Leah by further Marrying Rachel abi
Yet Jacob became Israel
You can see how your argument is so confusing. if he chooses so why not?
You now sounds like a baby....

Since you support your son or brother in-law to marry another wife over your daughter or sister case is settled!

immortalcrown:
You are probably mistaking me for someone else. Otherwise, where is your evidence?

It's OK if you condemn extortion but you need to know that the first place to show generosity is the house of God and whatever those in charge does with the funds should be left for God to judge unless you are not sure of the place where you choose to worship!

Westerhoffe:
Jesus Christ was never one of the angels.

Hebrews 1 (KJV)
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⁵ For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
⁶ And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
⁷ And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
⁸ But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

He is one of the morning stars: angels!

Westerhoffe:
True Christians do not need to stay away from governance. Because if they do, then they should not complain when the ungodly rules and brings ungodliness and oppression.

True Christians don't complain about the world's government because our own government is not of this world! John 18:36

Westerhoffe:
Let's leave religion out of this topic, because every sane person knows that same-sex marriage is an abomination, be it homosexuality or lesbianism, just as cross-dressing.

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor 'effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind',”
— 1 Corinthians 6:9 (KJV)

Romans 1 (KJV)
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²⁶ For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
²⁷ And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

The Bible already condemns it.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses knows this but if you think that's a lie then mention the name of your church because i can only speak for my own church!

Westerhoffe:
Don't compare God with your political candidates.
Even those you campaign for today, most of them are mysterious. Or do you want to tell me you know everything about your political office holders today? No.

God is a mystery. Yes.
God is a Spirit. Yes.
How then do you think you know everything about God?
If God is not a mystery, can you explain how He is, how He came to be, how He looks?

The Bible says: Job 11 (KJV)
⁷ Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection?
⁸ It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?
⁹ The measure thereof is longer than the earth, and broader than the sea.
¹⁰ If he cut off, and shut up, or gather together, then who can hinder him?

So yes, God is a Mystery.
If you don't accept, tell me how God came to be, only.

Your God may be a mystery but ours is not that's why we do things in harmony like His belove children!

Westerhoffe:
The above is what you JWs fail to understand.

Please mention the name of your church where Mr Holy Spirit is actively working out REAL BENEFITS.

See what the ACTIVE FORCE of our God has made possible among us:

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Westerhoffe:
I Timothy 3:2 was for Bishops.
Titus 1:6 was for Elders.

Paul told Timothy that among gentiles only monogamists are fit for the altar in Christ's kingdom.
I believe that has spoken in volumes!

Benbellamor:
One wife is only Mandatory for Only Overseers

First century Christians taught gentiles that only monogamists among them can become exemplars in the congregation so polygamists aren't fit for the altar!

Benbellamor:
You Lied!!! Polygamy was not even mentioned in that bible verse or any part of the Bible.

Malachi said dealing treacherously with one's partner is evil in God's sight. Malachi 2:14
So do you think your son or brother in-law can marry another woman after your sister or daughter? Matthew 7:12

Benbellamor:
i challenge you to provide a single verse in the bible where polygamy is ever mentioned or just keep quiet

Christianity is another covenant which God promised to write the laws in the hearts of His worshipers {Jeremiah 31:33} so all we do is follow the golden rule Jesus Christ taught us:

“All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean." Matthew 7:12

So i asked you again.

How will you feel if your dad, your son in-law or brother in-law goes for a new wife?

Westerhoffe:
Only those who follow the Lord Jesus Christ are the light of the world.
Not those who teach contrary to His words.

Whatever any organization teaches as long as such teaching makes adherents to produce the fruit expected of true disciples of Christ Jesus said they are the light of the world {Matthew 5:14-16} so if your religion can't produce the fruit then stop deceiving yourself your religion is not teaching the truth! Matthew 7:16-18

immortalcrown:
I will donate on the altar when the person calling for the donation acts like a man of God, not when the person tries to sell blessing by wanting to pray for only those who donate money on the altar.

Whatever makes anyone climb on an altar to do so then such an altar belongs to Mammon not the true God!

immortalcrown:
Also God's work is not done only inside the church building. If the person calling for donation wants to pray for only those that donate on the altar, I will not give my money to that person because that one is not supporting God's work. Quote me anywhere.

I remember you always hail RCCG man so i wonder what you are still doing in that religion if truly you hate extortion!

justlove91:
*Why do you assume I left Islam for nothing? Lol
*And why do you need to worship anything?
*What good will that do to the society? It's more profitable to you and the society to aspire to progressively become better human beings.

*You left Islam because you got fed up with false religion that failed to convince you on the existence of God.

*The word WORSHIP connotes doing the will or acting in line with what someone else says so i worship God because i'm convinced that doing things in harmony with God's will is beneficial.

*The world today is filled with hatred and injustice which pure worship (true religion) has eradicated among those who are worshiping the true God!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Whether you like it or not my God has proved to be alive with the presence of His worshipers throughout the earth!

justlove91:
I don't know, neither do you. Your God may not even exist. All I know is that people die because the biochemical reactions that support life have been disrupted by sickness, accident etc
The existence of suicide should prove to you that people can intentionally disrupt these reactions and die irrespective of the sentence of your God.

I know you are worried about my strong conviction and consistency so calm down no one is forcing God on you!

My God has declared a death sentence on people in ancient times but since you don't believe in the Bible let's leave that aside.

The Bible talks about two different covenants:

[1] The first covenant is the one God had with the nation of Israel, Moses is the mediator of that covenant and it was to lead this nation to the Christ so until the arrival of the Christ that covenant remains valid. Deuteronomy 18:18-19

[2] The second covenant is the one God had with the followers of Christ this is the last and most important covenant as it was established to lead all adherents to everlasting life. John 3:16

Jesus made it clear to his disciples that if they want to live forever in Paradise they must return to the arrangement God made in the beginning which is One Adam One Eve! Matthew 19:4

So all those who lived before Christ came to establish the second covenant were declared righteous for living by the first covenant but from the moment John the baptist started preparing for the arrival of Christ things changed {Matthew 11:12} and righteousness can only be achieved by following the teachings of Christ which leads to everlasting life.

That's why first century disciples of Christ always insist on one wife before ordaining any pagan as overseer in the congregation of Christ {1Timothy 3:2; Titus 1:6} Jewish Christians already know they mustn't marry more than one wife after Malachi has warned them against polygamy {Malachi 2:14} and we should not forget that Malachi was sent to tell them how they should prepare for the coming of the Christ {Malachi 3:1} this is the one who will show them the highway to holiness {Isaiah 35:8} that's why Jesus said he is the Way! John 14:6

So polygamy was permitted before Christ but by the time Jesus walked the earth repentant Jews no longer practice polygamy that's why you can't hear of any disciple of Christ or first century Jews having more than one wife because they believed Malachi's message as a preparation for the way of holiness! Malachi 4:5

God bless you and may you have peace!

immortalcrown:
I said, "What about those who support God's work outside the Church building". You have failed to prove that God's work cannot be done outside the Church building. So, you clearly have no fact against my comment.

You don't know what you are saying.

No matter what you do OUTSIDE the church of God it's all FILTHY RAGS if you refuse to support God's work INSIDE the church {Isaiah 64:6} it's like asking if an idol worshiper could be worshiping God outside the church of God using what he or she view as RIGHTEOUSNESS as the credential.
So the first thing is supporting God's work then other things can follow but when someone deliberately ignore God's work in the church does such one still believe in Christ who specifically said his first family are members of the church?

justlove91:
There are many documented cases of judges pronouncing a death sentence and having it go through but there as never been a single documented case when God made such proclamation.
Even if someone is at the edge of death and doctors resuscitated him, you will still claim it's because it's not yet his time forgetting that if he hadn't received any medical treatment he wound have dead.
Any claim that can neither be proven nor disproved is not worthy of discussion.

Do you know when God sentence anyone or you just feel it's when people are sick and at the point of death?

immortalcrown:
I will respond by just sitting down and not giving a dime. Let that so-called minister come and drag me out of the building.

Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers. ‭Psalms 1:1 NIV‬

Are you sure that you are worshiping in the midst of true worshipers of God?

Because whatever makes you feel unconcerned when ministers are talking about what you need to pay or give to earn friendship with God means you no longer have the love of the God in question:

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“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ ‭Mark 12:29-30 NIV

A poor widow in the midst of God's holy worshipers gave everything she had {Luke 21:1-2} just because she love God with all her heart even though religious leaders in Israel back then were corrupt {Matthew 23:23} yet Jesus said about this woman:

“Truly I say to you that this poor widow put in more than they all did. For all of these put in gifts out of their surplus, but she, out of her want, put in all the means of living she had.” Luke 21:3-4

According to Jesus (God's only begotten Son) she has given much more than all those in the temple!

So Jesus concluded:

“The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses. Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say." Matthew 23:2-3

Why do you think Jesus told his listeners to do whatever their religious leaders say?

Well it's because at that point in time the place where the Jews worships is the only place where you can worship the true God therefore whoever feels unconcerned towards whatever is asked as needs regarding that temple is not a true worshiper of the God of Israel.

That's why it's compulsory you know for sure you are in the midst of God's true worshipers {Psalms 133:1 compare to Hebrews 10:24-34} or you just sit with people claiming they are worshipers! Psalms 1:1

May you have peace!

justlove91:
People of other religions also submit to the Tenet of their religion that means they're humble but you said only people of your organisation are humble, I don't understand.

You need to understand that when you see anyone who humbly submits to the tenet of his or her religion please call our attention because those are the ones we are searching for.
Don't worry about what will happens later because we are certain that after spending some time with us they will surely switch over to our side!

justlove91:
Many judges have sentenced criminals to death, to be carried out at an exact time with exact mode of execution (hanging, electrocution, fishing squad etc), will you say they're God?

And at some time such judgment or sentence has been overturned.
True or false?
The one whose decision can't be changed by anything is God!

justlove91:
I guess that's my view. A being doesn't have to be supreme before he can create. Infact he can be the creator of the universe and still not be all powerful and all knowing.

Can you bow to anyone who can't determine the time or how you will die?

You sounds funny with your description of God because according to you everyone is a God since we can all create one thing or another but one who can determine the time and how we die is God whose decision can't be changed!

justlove91:
You can't be sure of that.
Even if that's the case, why don't you realise they're not humble through your interactions with them? It is only when they leave you suddenly realise they're not humble.

When we talk about humility it's about submission to a tenet that binds people as one under the same umbrella so one who is not humble only become known when he or she is no longer under the parent that raised them as long as they're still under their parents or guardian nobody can determine the type of person they are for real.

So when we see an independent adult yet humbly submissive to the tenet of any organized group without personal gain just help us tell such a person that he or she belongs to our organization.

As for children born in our midst they are on their own once they become independent so when we notice any of them who continues to be humble then we know such a person is one of us whether his parents are witnesses or not!