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Truvelisback:
Oga, he has the right to send her out if has done something wrong or she is doing something that is irritating. Stop being over spiritual and hypocritical here. Jesus, sent out people who turned the house of God into a market place. I can't judge now because I can't tell what must have transpired that. I just wanted to know what she might have done that warrant that.

Jesus sent out people turning the temple into a business center not critics in fact the critics had the same right as Jesus in the temple not those turning the place to a shopping mall.
And for your information that's the old covenant, in the new covenant Jesus gave us rules on how to treat critics that is why i quoted Jesus and the apostles.
The whole congregation not Kumuyi will come to an agreement and in such case the critic will be shunned because the house belongs to God not man!

Mshad662:
Thank you sir, now why do most christians put hope in their political candidate rather than christ?

This is a hard one but if you are willing to know there is only one organization of Christians on this planet today.

They don't join or vote for politicians in any part of the world and there is hardly any country where you won't find them.

Please read what people who know us said:

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

From childhood Moses was raised as a prince right inside the palace of Pharaoh the king of Egypt but after learning that he is a Hebrew he felt really sad seeing his own people being mistreated by Egyptian taskmasters.
Moses can't change the situation so he began thinking of how to fight for his people until one day he killed an Egyptian for mistreating an Israelite and buried the man all by himself.
When he realized that the matter is no longer a secret Moses ran away and became a wanted criminal. He met God after forty years that he's been serving a man as shepherd.
A shepherd is someone taking care of sheep this animal is difficult to care for because they can't fight predators and at times any female among them could deliver a young lamb which the shepherd must carry like his own baby back home otherwise the owner will ask where is the lamb when he discovered it's mother is no longer carrying it.
This is what Moses did for forty good years of his life before he now became a meek person who now values life since he could care for animals like they are his own babies.
So it's time for him to go back and do exactly what he wanted forty years back: deliver God's people!

Nicenancy:
What is the word of God saying about the remission of sins? Does the remission include future sins or only the sins a man committed before born again? Thank you

Sorry ma, I've forgotten you don't like to hear anything from JWs but now that i remember you i humbly withdraw my comment!

AbbaDiary:
“Send Her Out”; Pastor Kumuyi orders Female Member Out of The Church For This Reason.

The building supposed to be the house of God not Kumuyi's house so nobody has the right to order anyone out of the house of God.
That's why true Christians are taught to shun such ones {Matthew 18:17; Romans 16:17; Titus 3:10; 2John 10} we will not greet or talk to them but as for the premises it's God's house not man's!

God chose Moses to lead His people out of Egypt to the land He promised to give Abraham and his descendants but Moses is a violent man he singlehandedly killed and bury a man so.

How did he become the meekest?
Why did God refer to Moses as meekest?
What lesson is in this statement?

For your own sakes, quit trusting in mere man, Who is only the breath in his nostrils. Why should he be taken into account? Isaiah 2:22 NWT

Stop trusting in mere humans, who have but a breath in their nostrils. Why hold them in esteem? ‭Isaiah 2:22 NIV‬

Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of? Isaiah 2:22

Compare to Psalms 146:3-4

Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation.  His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish. Psalms 146:3-4


Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save. [4] When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing. ‭Psalms 146:3-4 NIV‬


Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. Psalms 146:3-4 KJV

Well politicians and their activities are all against the will of the Bible God whoever is working under them should be extra careful never to put his trust in them, they will die and nothing can make their promises come through because they are not God!

@ VBCampaign please check what Jews want to do about Jesus and Christianity in this modern time.

https://www.youtube.com/live/Za5L5G08A8g?si=aQTkO-2prMI9TbkQ

These are the descendants of those who killed God's prophets in Bible times. Matthew 23:29-30

So don't think God is in support of that nation anymore the only reason they've not been wiped out completely is due to God's promise to David that the city called Jerusalem will remain forever but as for the Jews Jesus said God has abandoned their land for them! Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38

May you have Peace!

justlove91:
Does the creator (God) has to be moral or care about whether we kill each other or not??
Is it possible for God to just create and leave (or step aside) just like the Deist God.

Think about the title "GOD" it connotes BEING SUPREME so how do you expect the one who is supreme to prove His supremacy when there is no orderliness in His domain?
God didn't create us for nothing rather He wants us to enjoy life to the fullest that's what brings Him praise and glory not when life is purposeless!😟

justlove91:
Sorry, I still hold that what happens is that the organization read the prophecies in the book and made it its mission to fulfil it, the reason others don't achieve your level of "success" is because they did not make it their mission.

God promised to help HUMBLE people to understand this message so what we need is HUMILITY and RIGHTEOUSNESS {Zephaniah 2:2-3} whoever wants to get the sense of this message must come with a pure heart not crooked mind! Psalms 24:3-4
So it's not a matter of choosing to make fulfilling this our mission rather God is the one showing us how to go about it because we are humble people seeking righteousness with pure heart!

justlove91:
You want me to believe there is a kind of divine glue holding you all together but I know there are many ex JWs whose beliefs in time deviated from you all and left just as people leave other religions, so there is nothing special.

Please read what the Psalmist said regarding pure worship during the end time:
Who may ascend to the mountain of Jehovah, And who may stand up in his holy place?  Anyone with innocent hands and a pure heart, Who has not sworn a false oath by My life, Nor taken an oath deceitfully. Psalms 24:3-4
Ex-jws are people with crooked minds so they can't cope with the needed changes to continue being among God's people that's why they left. As sinners the journey to salvation is not on a smooth path so it involves a lot of discomfort! Matthew 7:13-14
There is something strange you haven't noticed about exjws:
They are not happy because they can never ever find a better replacement for God's organization! Matthew 25:30

ocnovakmichael:
Brother, what is your point? Did the earlier response state the contrary or you just want to write for the sake of writing? It's quite obvious that the earlier response did not say you could fellowship with the Father independent of the Son. That response is only quoting John's epistle
1 John 1:3
[3]That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

That means you didn't understand the post to have everlasting life we must be at peace with both the father and His son! John 17:3

justlove91:
Lol.... Faith in God also causes people to fight themselves nah.
The fact that people fight because of a belief doesn't make it untrue and the fact that people do not fight because of a belief doesn't make it true.

You need wisdom my friend!

It's not faith in God that causes people to fight rather it's politics.
Let me enlighten you a bit.
If you believe in Ṣàngó (the god of thunder) and i believe in Ògún (the god of iron) the only reason for us to fight is when we want to control territories not because of the gods we believe so some gullible people will carry weapons in your support while another set of gullible people will do the same for me.

The true God doesn't take pleasure in worshipers fighting and killing for His worship rather we are to use our values to prove that we have something better than worshipers of all other gods!

justlove91:
How could we be sure that the result you see is not due to something else entirely? To say it is God is just a claim.
If someone predicted an event 100% accurately and claims it is God that told him , how do we know for sure that is exactly what happened? The event (prediction) is real (no doubt) but is the explanation (claim) also real??

Let's take the prophecy word by word and see how it was fulfilled!
God promised that in the last days pure worship will attract people from all races! Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1
Next He said they will be calling one another to focus on what is found written in His words: this means studying this book with one line of thought! Isaiah 2:3; Micah 4:2
Next God revealed what they will begin to do after getting the accurate knowledge of what is written in the book:
They will resolve all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop producing, buying, selling and using of weapons and finally they will vow never to raise weapons against anyone! Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3
The fulfillment began when Jesus of Nazareth started calling his own people (Jews) in the first century to teach them how they can carry this message throughout the earth {Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8} his own people turned against the idea because it sounds absurd to them as they don't feel he was doing the right thing so he told his disciples to take the message to people of the nations who are willing to become friends of peace {Luke 10:6} after some time those that know Jesus died and politicians started claiming they are his disciples but forcing their rule on people something Jesus never taught his own disciples! Matthew 10:16
So the message was sealed for almost 2000 years and just as the book said our time is when freedom of speech expression and worship was declared by the world power (America) this allows for Jesus' peaceful disciples to form what the book foretold and they started taking the message to all the nations of the world. Today people know Jehovah's Witnesses as the most peaceful religion but they don't know what is happening for real!

justlove91:
Truely billions across the globe have access to the same book but do they have the same interpretation of the same book?
You (JW) and every other denominations have different interpretation of the same book thus, different belief systems from others.
And it is through this your belief system that you were able to self fulfil the promises.

Regarding the highlighted God promised only the righteous will understand His words {Daniel 12:10} and how are we going to IDENTIFY the group that has the accurate knowledge of the book?
Jesus explained that it's by the activities of the people each religion is teaching that will help you to know because there is a goal for which Christianity was commissioned so it's only the religion meeting up this goal that has the understanding of what is written in that book! Matthew 7:16-18

Of course there are tens of thousands of different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines but how many are fulfilling what God promised in that prophecy?

I wasn't born a JW but after finding out the purpose for which Christianity was commissioned i believe that truly God exist had it not been Jehovah's Witnesses Organization nobody can convince me that there is any God!😟

justlove91:
Do you realise that something can have real benefits and use and still not real??
Take money as an example, it has real benefits and use to individuals and economy but money in itself doesn't have any inherent value or reality. The value it has is a collective agreement among humans to conform that value to it.
A belief system can have benefits and use but the question is is it true?
So, a belief can be untrue and have benefit and a belief can also be true and have no benefit or use.

Money has artificial value that's why the people that believe in it keep on fighting and killing themselves just to safeguard that artificial value given it. When something is of real value everyone no matter where you live or your class or status will get the benefits.
So faith in God can't be compared to money that's given artificial value among it's users because if it truly has real value then they don't have to start fighting and killing themselves over it!

justlove91:
Contrary to popular opinion, most people don't believe in God not because they can't see him but because they can't demonstrate his existence.
For example, all scientists believe in radio wave not because they can see it but because they can demonstrate it, so also microwave, magnetic field, electron charge etc.
So, if you can demonstrate
God repeatedly, they will believe him even without seeing, hearing or touching him.

Did scientists create any of the things you mentioned?
NO, they can only explain how they works with the knowledge they had about these things.
The same applies to the knowledge of God's presence we believe because we are seeing the result of His presence in our midst as explained by those given the knowledge.

justlove91:
Do all these people from different races have access to the same book (guide)?
If yes (which I'm sure is the case) could it be that the guiding principle is the common believe in the book rather than of some mysterious force?

NO!
Billions across the globe have access to the same book but God is not with them that's why they can't make use of the book to achieve what He promised obedient humans!

achorladey:
Irrelevant question to deflect.

Well i'm Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Thanks for your time!

VBCampaign:
MaxineDHouse
What you have written is Pacifism. You cannot be a pacifist in a world of sin.
Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; [b]for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

The highlighted is exactly what the first century Jewish religious leaders thought about Jesus' teachings regarding peace.
So surely you are not a believer in Christ Jesus but another Churchian claiming Christian.
Apostle Paul was talking to our brothers in Rome reminding them that they should do whatever the authorities ask of them just as Christ Jesus commanded us {Matthew 5:41} but when they ask us to take part in their politics we must decline because we are no part of their politics! John 17:14-16
How do you think the love Jesus taught us to have for our fellow believers {John 13:34-35} can work if we support worldly politicians who don't care about love of talkless that of believers? Or can a Christian in Russia remain loyal to the love of Christ if he picks up weapons against his fellow believers in Ukraine?
You people needs to know the purpose of Christianity, it was established by the Prince of Peace so that what God promised to do regarding faithful people globally can be achieved! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

VBCampaign:
God has given every civil government powers to bear the sword. The aim is to punish evil, and protect good. So that evil doesn't overrun society.

They stand in place under Satan their overall ruler {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} to punish their own people so believers in Christ must be extra careful not to fall into their cage by committing what they have mapped out in their laws as Christ. Christ Jesus is coming to destroy all of them! Daniel 2:44

VBCampaign:
Many preached Pacifism in the middle ages when Islam encroached on Europe. They quickly jettisoned that idea when they realised the Mohammedians were taking over their land.

The Muslims became warriors after their bad experiences with the Roman Catholics who were forcing their religion on people claiming they are fighting for Jesus so the wars wasn't about religion rather it's politically motivated because both sides want to rule the world!

KidFromForeign:
So because he speaks a truth you don't want to hear ,he's suddenly mocking your faith?
What is the difference between these Charlatans and the Loan Apps they seek to discredit?
How of these Cr00ks are ready to assist in time of need?
Atleast the Loan Sharks actually help those serious about repayments of their debts.

They are the false prophets Jesus warned about but it's just a pity that many sincere people today are still with this false prophets even after Jesus has separated his own church and his father has given us another group name! Isaiah 65:15

The guy is mocking the churches of Christendom but he is not a friend of truth because when you speak against falsehood the next thing to do is present the true church that's teaching what is beneficial!

VBCampaign:
While at the same time we must recognise the concept of a just war...

From the very day Jesus of Nazareth opened his mouth and started teaching people how to get into God's Kingdom there is no longer any justification for war unless among people who feels Jesus is an impostor and that's exactly what the Jews think about Jesus till today!

In fact they were more concerned about their nation and pride than salvation this is what they concluded about the peace making teachings of Christ Jesus:

"If we let (Jesus) go on this way, they will all put faith in him, and the Romans (the first century enemy nation forcefully ruling over the Jews) will come and take away both our place and our nation.” John 11:48

Till today the Jews hate anything that has to do with Jesus and his teachings, last year their law makers wanted to make being a believer in Christ a crime just like their first century leaders did! Act 4:18; 5:28

So they thought Christ was making them vulnerable to attacks from enemy nations whereas their country could have become the safest place on earth if they obeyed God's only begotten Son.

Well misinformed churchgoers may think that nation still has something to do with the true God but according to Jesus of Nazareth {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} the nation has lost its glory the day they rejected Jesus and told the Roman governor to execute him! Matthew 27:24-25😟

The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked, those who love VIOLENCE, he HATES with a passion. ‭Psalms 11:5 NIV‬

So let all believers in Christ stay away from violence!

Flexyup:
If one is sane and have a sound mind, why will anyone threaten you with paying of tithe. How did the pastor threaten you. Is it by words or at gun 🔫 point?

Sanity has a lot to do with what people hear, you can't deny that someone could get an heart attack and die instantly just after hearing something unpleasant so don't underestimate the power of words.
What matters mostly is the way people view matters according to a Yorùbá adage 'the sight at which a dog is barking incessantly is the same sight the sheep looks on without making any sound' does that mean the sheep can't make any sound?
NO! It just doesn't see it as a threat.

miracle002:
Water spirit is real brother, it's just that it has never happened to you or you may not even be aware of it. Wait!!! you said witchcraft is not real, I now know that you are lying you are just trying to wish it away. Witchcraft is real brother.

Typical African Churchian!

Amarachieze:
Are you insinuating that ability to understand and speak English is synonymous to education? Your impolite response betrayed you as an educated person except you have mistaken literacy to be education. Stop bragging in a public space like this forum because there others who might be far better than you. For example, don't you notice that your grammar is full of tautology? "reason why" "even though". These grammatical errors did not in anyway portray as lacking education or do they?

Most of them thought speaking English as a language mean they are educated whereas in Europe English is just like a common African language because the white man doesn't view any language as superior to his own mother tongue. Someone is rubbishing the Christian faith claiming he is being sarcastic and when we try to reason with him he comes up with another moniker to attack for fear of getting banned due to his use of vulgar speeches!

God doesn't need our money rather the money we gather is to help our fellowman. For instance Jesus said to his disciples:

"let the one who has no sword sell his outer garment and buy one." Luke 22:36

Jesus said each disciple should get a SWORD at all cost!

To do what exactly?

Well Jesus has been teaching his disciples never to hate or hurt people so the SWORD here doesn't mean a physical weapon rather Jesus is talking about the spiritual sword which is God's word the Bible! Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12
So Jesus meant each disciple should get a copy of God's word as their most cherished possession but what happens when a disciple can't afford a copy of God's word? How is he going to fight the spiritual war that's ahead? Ephesians 6:10-20
Today most Churchians don't have a copy of the Bible at all neither do their religious leaders encourage them to get a soft copy on their mobile devices but they lay so much emphasis on tithing an old covenant law that has nothing to do with Christianity.
In true Christianity the most common item is a copy of the Bible distributed globally among true Christians in all the languages our brothers speaks worldwide.
How are we getting the money to print this leather cover hard copies?
Well our brothers throughout the world are paying for it with their contributions so that no matter how poor the country may be even though a JW doesn't have any property he or she must possess a SPIRITUAL SWORD just as commanded by our Master Lord and King Christ Jesus! Luke 22:36

achorladey:
Loooool! In the bible book of delusion

You were once a JW but what is the name of your present church?

Goosethetruth:
You have been so disgraced. You have so embarrassed the Jehovah witness society on this thread by being unable to defend anything. The Caveat OP has so dragged you in the mud but your ego will not allow you to stop until you are completely disgraced and humiliated. I hope he stops responding to your inane posts and continues this beautiful thread that is tearing you and your dangerous cult apart.
As he said predictions of the end of the world like a Kalo kalo Bet Naija gambler but failure all the time!
You are free to continue to wail and lament with ashes on your hair.

Quote just one publication of Jehovah's Witnesses in which a specific date was mentioned in connection with the end of the world.

Moderator101:
I have already enlightened you. The reason why you cannot understand his post even though I have explained it to you is because you have refused to acquire education. That is why I will keep dragging those your leaders. Education is very important. You are welcome.

Na wah o!

So does OP view Enenche as someone working for God?

That's my question.

Your repetition regarding religion or religious leaders doesn't explain what the OP is doing with his second post!

Moderator101:
Like I said, Your Jehovah witness leaders have warned you not to go to university so I don't blame you if you cant understand simple sarcasm.
I blame your leaders.

Oga professor abeg leave the leaders of any religion for now and please enlighten us on what the OP is trying to say.


Thanks in advance!

jesusjnr2020:
Which OP do you mean? The Opening Poster or Opening Post because you can see I am addressing the latter not the former.
Except you're saying the opening post was fake.

All in all he is mocking Christianity.

Read his comments word by word!

Moderator101:
The OP is being sarcastic. His moniker is literally sarcastic words.
I don't expect you to understand. Your jehovah witness leaders have warned you not to go to university so there are some simple things you will never learn.

Sorry professor i can see you understood him better than i do so you mean he believes in the works of the so called "man of God"