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specialmati:
first thing is that you seek to understand the scriptures,so you now know what Jesus and his disciples believe but you don't believe there is hell.confusion from hell have hit you

Who told you there is no hell?
Ọmọ i'm only talking about the real meaning of that word.
In fact the true God said roasting people alive in fire has never crossed His heart! Jeremiah 7:31
So seek true meaning of what you read not just relying on what pastors told you! 1Thessalonians 5:21
You can see that you lack scriptural knowledge as you can't quote anything to back what you are typing instead you are poised to throw insults up and down!

specialmati:
keep deceiving yourself so the ones that are sentenced to death return to your family.you.think you are wise by doing the wrong things continue

Dead people in hell (grave) will return to life here on planet earth that's what Jesus and his disciples believe!
John 5:28-29
Act 24:15
So if you don't know something try to ask questions! Matthew 7:7-8

specialmati:
Satan is doing a good job,even in our world today the people that do evil are sent to prison.

For them to return back to the community again!

ogascomax:
But in hell lies hell fire

There is no place called Hellfire!

Heavensake1:
You try. Are you truly convinced with this belief?

That's what the Bible says before some people translated it to Hellfire!

dalass:
A little bit of Google search/ definition will definitely tell you that HELL is way more than your explanation

HELL : a place regarded in various religions as a spiritual realm of evil and suffering, often traditionally depicted as a place of perpetual fire beneath the earth where the wicked are punished after death.

Google is wrong check encyclopedia!

Arda1000:
there was no time when the planet earth was filled up with water,the study of geology disproves that,unless you want to argue with physical evidence. Bible isn’t an evidence,you can’t use bible or argue with physical evidence it’s a dumb thing to do lol

But the same Bible knew ahead of your teachers that planet earth is floating in the space {Job 26:7} that it's spherical in shape {Isaiah 40:22} that water keeps on circulating! Job 38:26-27
Ọmọ who told those writers all these things?
Certainly whatever that book says is the truth that no one can deny. Isaiah 40:8
Back then when those people wrote the things you're reading today your teachers back then argued that it's dumb but here we are today everything the book says is exactly what we now know as truth.
Well that's what the book that has never lied and never wrong said about the flood whether you agree or not!

Arda1000:
where did such water come from? Just a simple question

The Bible answered but you people just feels like there shouldn't be God!
God's word said planet earth was filled with water and there was no landscape that could give our planet the shape you are seeing now! Genesis 1:2
Then God separated the water so that a larger amount of water was stored in the atmosphere as thick clouds! Genesis 1:6-7
So it's this same water that God poured down on the planet in Noah's day after the flood God commanded part of it to sink to the earth crust while some were frozen in Arctic and Antarctic poles and the rest in the sky that's still falling back and forth as rain today so if all these waters should return to the earth surface surely the planet will be covered again with water!

cutecommend:
Do all the best you can by God's grace not to enter hell fire.

The word "HELL" is an old English form of grave or place of inactivity all the dead whether good or evil people goes to Hell!

Our salvation is sure if we remain in the truth but in the first century the first set of disciples back then were majorly born again.
What does it mean to be a born again Christian?
Jesus supposed to rule the earth for one thousand years with 144,000 Israelites but both the Israelites and Jews rejected him so this delayed the selection of Christ's corulers as the choosing was to be extended to the people of other nations. Christ's corulers can no longer stay to rule with him in Jerusalem (the supposed signt of God's earthly Kingdom) because the city was rejected for their lack of faith in Christ and killing of God's prophets {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} that is why Jesus told his first sets of disciples that he is going back to heaven to prepare a place where they will stay to rule with him! John 14:1-3
This set of humans can't go to heaven (a place designed for spirit beings) with human bodies {1Corinthans 15:50} for this reason they need to be transformed into spirits meaning they need another body {1Corinthans 15:44} this is what Jesus meant by the term "born again" John 3:3-5
This first set of humans will escape what the Bible refers to as the final test.
After the destruction of wicked people the earth will be renovated into paradise and for a thousand years Jesus will rule the earth from heaven with his corulers who has been transported there as spirit beings or angels {Luke 20:34-36} but immediately after Jesus' thousand years reign Satan will be let loose again.
Remember that imperfect humans has been redeemed through the blood of Jesus Christ but this time each person will stand on his or her own to defend his faith in God as a perfect human at that time there is nothing Jesus blood can do again because those living then would have become perfect so whatever each person chooses to do is to be accounted for.
Satan will try everything in his power to make people follow him sadly most people will still follow Satan then the wrath of God will consume both Satan and all those that followed him then God will declare everlasting life on those that survive the final test.
But what about those who has been taken to heaven as Christ's corulers?
Remember Satan can't reach these ones because by then he has no means of going back to heaven {Revelations 12:11-12} that's why the scriptures says those in heaven at that time are SAVED! Revelations 20:5-6
So when the first set of disciples use that word "SAVED" they are referring to the chance they have as Christ's corulers who have nothing to do with Satan after their earthly mission!

Guy, i don't intend to interrupt people who feels they don't need to be taught it's only when such people trespass my domain that i expose them as novice.

The simple question you ought to answer is there:

"Did Jesus lied about a place called heaven?"

But if you don't know then try to keep quiet next time you see my posts.

The Bible teaches that there is a place called "heaven" just as it teaches there is a person called "God" and beings called "angels" their being invisible to your eyes doesn't mean they don't exist.

Next time stay on your lane!

paxonel:
So, where exactly is the location of the place or father's house Jesus was refering to?

paxonel:
So, where exactly is the location of the place or father's house Jesus was refering to?

paxonel:
Where did you see the word PLACE in that scripture, does spirits have place?
If you are very sure of the place where spirits are, can you point it?
Is it beyond the clouds, the air, the moon, under water, in outer space ?
where?

"In the house of my Father are many dwelling PLACES. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a PLACE for you." John 14:2

Are you saying Jesus lied?

paxonel:
As at the time he was saying these thing to his disciples the kingdom of God has not yet come, but it was about to come.
That means, the kingdom of God was never with men until he died and resurrected. So now that he has died and resurrected, the kingdom is in us.
No one knew when he was going to die and resurrect until the hour he was crucified.

The question i asked you is simple.

Did Jesus lied that there is a place called heaven?

He said:

“Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father" Mark 13:32

The highlighted in blue says "neither the angels in heaven"

Now you are saying there's no place called heaven so are you saying Jesus lied?

sonmvayina:
Ok, I will leave you to your believe. I know you know it is not about Jesus. You just want to hold on to it because that is what the GB told you.

How many times do i have to tell you to keep talking for yourself not for me?
I believe with all my heart that the verse is about Jesus Christ.
If you don't believe that's your own case don't add me to your condition after all you have said there is no need for group so i'm free to hold my own conviction just as you're free to hold yours!

Sincerity starts from accepting the miracles that occurred in Bible times so if you don't agree that miracles occured in the Bible then you have killed your own conscience.

Guy you don't need all these epistle that verse is about a virgin who will become pregnant and it was fulfilled in the first century when virgin girl known as Mary got pregnant with baby Jesus in her womb.

sonmvayina:
let me post it from the NWT, let's see for ourselves.

JW.ORG
Isaiah
7:1-25
Chapter 7

7  Now in the days of Aʹhaza son of Joʹtham son of Uz·ziʹah, the king of Judah, King Reʹzin of Syria and Peʹkahb son of Rem·a·liʹah, the king of Israel, came up to wage war against Jerusalem, but he could not capture it. A report was made to the house of David: “Syria has joined forces with Eʹphra·im.”
And the heart of Aʹhaz and the heart of his people began to tremble, like the trees of the forest shaking in the wind.  Jehovah then said to Isaiah: “Go out, please, to meet Aʹhaz, you and your son Sheʹar-jaʹshub, at the end of the conduit of the upper poole by the highway of the laundryman’s field.   You must say to him, ‘Take care to stay calm. Do not be afraid, and do not lose heart because of these two stumps of smoldering logs, because of the hot anger of Reʹzin and Syria and the son of Rem·a·liʹah. For Syria with Eʹphra·im and the son of Rem·a·liʹah have plotted harm against you, saying: “Let us go up against Judah and tear it apart and conquer it for ourselves, and let us appoint the son of Tabʹe·el as its king.”
  “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says:
“It will not succeed,
Nor will it take place.
For the head of Syria is Damascus,
And the head of Damascus is Reʹzin.
Within just 65 years
Eʹphra·im will be completely shattered and cease to be a people.h The head of Eʹphra·im is Sa·marʹi·a, And the head of Sa·marʹi·a is the son of Rem·a·liʹah. Unless you have firm faith,
You will not be firmly established.”’”  Jehovah continued speaking to Aʹhaz:   “Ask for a sign from Jehovah your God;k it may be as deep as the Grave or as high as the sky.” But Aʹhaz said: “I will not ask, nor will I put Jehovah to the test.”
Isaiah then said: “Listen, please, O house of David. Is it not enough that you try the patience of men? Must you also try the patience of God?l
Therefore, Jehovah himself will give you a sign: Look! The young woman has become pregnant and will give birth to a son, and she will name him Im·manʹu·el. He will eat butter and honey by the time that he knows how to reject the bad and choose the good.   For before the boy knows how to reject the bad and choose the good, the land of the two kings whom you dread will be completely abandoned.  Jehovah will bring against you and against your people and against the house of your father a time such as has not come since the day Eʹphra·im broke away from Judah,p for He will bring the king of As·syrʹi·a.
  “In that day Jehovah will whistle for the flies from the distant streams of the Nile of Egypt and for the bees in the land of As·syrʹi·a, and they will all come and settle down on the steep valleys, on the rocky clefts, on all the thornbushes, and on all the watering places.
  “In that day by means of a hired razor from the region of the River, by means of the king of As·syrʹi·a,r Jehovah will shave the head and the hair of the legs, and it will sweep away the beard as well.
  “In that day a man will keep alive a young cow of the herd and two sheep. And because of the abundance of milk, he will eat butter, for everyone remaining in the land will eat butter and honey.
  “In that day wherever there used to be 1,000 vines worth 1,000 pieces of silver, there will be only thornbushes and weeds. Men will go there with bow and arrow, because all the land will become thornbushes and weeds. And all the mountains that used to be cleared with a hoe, you will not go near for fear of thornbushes and weeds; they will become a grazing place for bulls and a trampling ground of sheep

Read it like Isaiah wrote it without the verses and tell me you see Jesus there. Please be sincere.

sonmvayina:
Max this is the whole of Isaiah 7. It is a long narrative. When you decide to take a single line from a story and run away with it, this is exactly what you get. Put the line back to the story and read it. You will understand the full message.
Let me give you a quick summary of the passage down to verse 16. Like I am preparing for my SSCE English class.

1. The kings of Syria and the northern 10 tribe of Israel formed an alliance.
2. They wanted to make war on Judah and effect a regime change.
3. For sometimes they could not
4. This was told to the king(house of David) just like how King Charles of Great Britain belongs to the house of Windsor. He was agitated and scared. Because it means his family tree was going to end.
5. God sent Isaiah and his son to go and meet me and tell him that whatever they are planning will not come to pass.
6. He was still agitated and God asked him to ask for a sign. A sign that will assure him of God's word and promises.
7. He declined to ask for a sign. Then God then proceeded to give him a sign.
8. A young woman is with child and about to give birth. She will give birth to a son who she would name Immanuel which means God is with us.
9. That he would eat honey and before he knows how to choose between good from evil the two kings he dread will be no more..



No Jesus there at all.


Prove me wrong.

First of all there has never been a war that's caused by religion if you don't know it's time for liberation.
War means someone taking the lead while his/her supporters follow and what is the aim of such a leader?
It's to RULE not to establish religion!

paxonel:
Did i mention anything politics here?
I say religious wars, not politics!
Did you even understand the question i ask at all?
Do you think you are in your kingdom hall where you people are brainwashed with politics talk
who cares about all these your politics talk?
ok, define politics!
How is politics different from religion?
that is not my business!
The question i ask you is, is there any religion that is not hated or have it adherents killed?
The question has nothing to do with politics
there are no sense in what you people are saying.
Someone is talking religion you are bringing politics, is there sense in deviating from the point?
No!
In that case there was a conflict which is cased by hatred right?
Why are you trying to say that only Jehovah witnesses can be hated?
Now, in this case, it is a Jehovah witness that hated and killed someone
lies!
That is not what Jesus meant.
Jesus meant hatred that is caused by differences in religious affiliation, not politics.
lies!
There are no tribes in what Jesus meant.
You people are confused, that's why people don't take you seriously.
And when they ignore you, you will say they hate you

sonmvayina:
Continue believing.....
Any body who has read it knows it is not talking about Jesus,

Lol, anybody or you alone?
Billions out there know it is about Jesus of Nazareth!

ublight:
The will of Charles Russell?

The will of Charles Taze Russell that the group should have love among themselves! John 13:34-35
The will of Charles Taze Russell that they should not join worldly politics! John 17:14-16
The will of Charles Taze Russell that they must continue preaching and teaching in all their neighborhood from house to house and door to door! Matthew 10:11-13; Act 1:8
The will of Charles Taze Russell that they will form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
Surely Charles Taze Russell was the greatest man who ever lived!

Arda1000:
wtf are you talking about.
Even if the ice in all the North Pole melt it wouldn’t bulge the sea talk more of submerging the whole earth.
Your problem is just reading only a book written by folks who knew very little about the universe and voila u think u know everything

Those people knew a lot that all your so called teachers in science don't know.

Isaiah spoke of the earth as spherical some 3,000 years ago {Isaiah 40:22} when did your oga learned this?

Moses spoke of the earth hanging upon nothing some 3,500 years ago {Job 26:7} when did your oga in science knew this?

Moses spoke of the water circle some 3,500 years ago {Job 37:26-27} when did your oga learned this?

Arda1000:
called down water from where?
You guys just talk without thinking,where did the water come from simply question.

OK you're now satisfied with where the water went shey?
Well before God prepared the earth for living His word said:

Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters. Genesis 1:2

Then God said: “Let the waters under the heavens be collected together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so. Genesis 1:9

So according to the same storybook the earth was covered with water in the first place before God separated the water so that the largest amount of water was stored in the sky so it was the water that God angrily returned to the earth during the flood but after the flood he used a wind to settle the waters in Arctic and Antarctic poles!

sonmvayina:
Max, Isaiah 7:14 is not a prophecy. The prophecy is verse 16. It is about king Ahaz and a son that would be born to Isaiah. Stop misleading people.

According to what you always say everyone will end up becoming perfect whether they are misled or not so stop deceiving yourself!

Do you believe in Jesus?

Because this is what he said:

“Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father" Mark 13:32

Please can you interpret what Jesus meant in this verse?

Arda1000:
ok back to the flood,since there’s no enough water in the sea enough to fill the earth and not enough in the atmosphere,explain where the water came from and where it went.

I don't like engaging atheists on topics like this but most atheists on this forum do run away from me because i always prove them wrong.
Now to answer the above question.
The Bible God said He called down water to fill the earth to the extent that the whole planet was covered with water.
From His explanation the water came as a result of His anger as for where the water went please read:

But God gave attention to Noah and to all the wild animals and domestic animals that were with him in the ark, and God caused a wind to blow over the earth, and the waters began to subside.  The springs of the watery deep and the floodgates of the heavens were stopped up, so the rain from the heavens stopped falling.  Then the waters began to recede progressively from the earth. By the end of 150 days, the waters had subsided. Genesis 8:1-3

So according to this account the waters were blown to some parts of the earth and you too will agree scientifically that if all the ice in the Arctic and Antarctic poles should melt planet earth will be covered with water. The tsunami was as a result of heat experience when water iced in these two parts melted just a bit but what do you think will happen if all the ice should melt?

I know you will turn to insults but try to be polite nobody is here to insult you we are all trying to reason together as intelligent creatures!

paxonel:
Is there any religion that is not hated home and abroad?
Christians were killed by Muslims in northern Nigeria is that not hatred?
Christians killed Jews during the holocaust in Germany is that not hatred?

If you want to know surely you will know but if your mind is already made up then you can have it your own way.
When Jesus said his disciples will be hated by all other religions he meant for their faith not politics because Jesus and his disciples have nothing to do with politics.
Now this is what i mean. Jesus taught his disciples never to take part in worldly politics because according to him Satan is in charge of the politics going on around the world so a faithful person will incure bloodguilt if he participate in the world's politics. The Muslims you are claiming killing Christians is something that most people misconstrued because in reality Islam is political so politicians seek the support of Muslims to gain power but Christendom also engage in politics so to weaken opposition political Muslims influence gullible members to attack anyone who is not a Muslim not really because of faith but to reduce the vote of his opponents.
The major reason behind hatred for true Christians is none participation in racial and political conflicts as true Christians won't support any side in politics and for your information any attack on Jehovah's Witnesses doesn't come from Muslims rather it's from Christendom as our activities expose their leaders as false prophets. Just as the execution of Jesus wasn't the doing of Romans but from the hands of Judaists claiming they are worshipers of Abrahamic God that's exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses are experiencing from Christendom.

paxonel:
A Jehovah witness elder murdered his wife for denouncing the congregation is that not hatred?

You need to think deeper in order to get the sense of what we are saying.
Two individuals had a conflict totally differs from when a multitude is influenced to attack neighbors who never hurt them. Did anyone support the murderer who killed his wife?
NO!
But when talking about the hatred Jesus mentioned someone will just hate you to the point of killing you simply because you are from a particular tribe or you are supporting a political party but when two individuals had issues that's not the kind of hatred Jesus is talking about because both of them will have a reason to oppose each other but when you are hated for being a member of a particular tribe or faith that's what Jesus is saying.

The simple answer to your question is capital "NO"

paxonel:
so, what evidence do you have to show that the once that will stand firm till the end are Jehovah witnesses?

Jesus is talking to his present and future disciples so if your religion is not hated both home and abroad then know that you are not one of Jesus' true disciples it's the hatred that we must endure to the end!

paxonel:
Was Jehovah witnesses ever mentioned anywhere in the bible talkless of Jesus mentioning that he was referring to them?

Read Isaiah 43:10

Ken4Christ:
Read it again. Verse 9b
"and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake."

Do all the nations of the earth hate the present day Israel? Certainly not.

Jesus was talking to his present and future disciples so that statement applies to his disciples back in the first century and those that will be his true disciples in our time that's why you and all other religions hate his true disciples today even though we never offended you but the hatred is due to our faith yet none of you people agree on the same line of thought!

iamteegee:
I used to be an atheist and I used the same words he is using but today I preach Christ, heals the sick etc.

Are you sure you're a Christian?

iamteegee:
You get for real, I understand, we didn't grow up hearing knowledgeable teachers although they tried Sha

The way you people argue with atheists is really amusing, just imagine telling an atheist that Jesus loves him, as how?

Someone who just feel like God shouldn't exist but ready to die arguing on politics.

Well i can't blame you since that's the level of your understanding!

It's fun reading what people are typing just because they feel God doesn't exist and churchians are giving them impetus due to lack of knowledge!

Ken4Christ:
Jesus was referring to the Jews who would face the great tribulation during the time of the antichrist. Go and read the verse in context.

Here is Jesus' words as recorded in the Bible:

‭Matthew 24:7-14 NIV‬
"Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
" Matthew 24:7-14

See what i quoted as highlighted in blue!

So false prophets and preaching to all the nations of the earth is just for Jews in Jerusalem shey?

Guy stop lying you no sabi Bible!