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QuinQ:
My friend, Angel Michael was not Jesus.

Ọmọ Jesus is the same Archangel Michael who was transformed into an embryo in the womb of Mary so if you disagree it's OK but that's the truth!

annyplenty:
How can we explain this, too?
Romans 8:30 KJV
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

God chose 144,000 humans only among Jesus' disciples so no one has this same privilege until the day of Pentecost when Christians were baptized with holy Spirit.
That's the import of what you quoted!

Kushites:
So if “no one has seen his colour” why is he always portrayed as white?
Why not black?
Don’t you have any shame?

Whatever color you want your own Jesus to be paint that in your heart but take note of his words that's what you need to live a righteous life!

Truthseeker10:
MaxInDHouse, Janosky, Aemmyjah, Gabrielshow24, QuinQ.
This is the evidence that Emusan claimed that Jesus is Yahweh/Jehovah according to Psalms 110:1.
But it seems the Trinity doctrine is against him now.

Legacy Standard Bible
Of David. A Psalm. Yahweh says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand Until I put Your enemies as a footstool for Your feet.”

American Standard Version
A Psalm of David. Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Abeg leave the guy he's only obsessed with JWs he knows nothing!

QuinQ:
* What's wrong with Michael?
* This your obsession with Adam. Next now will be Moses. Christ wilfully did not sinless. Adam didn't know the difference between sin and not-sin
*He told His disciples He was the son of God and that JohnTB was Elijah. They could handle that but not Michael?

*Name as a spirit being.

*Adam was born (created) sinless that's what makes him greater than all humans. The sin Adam committed got all his descendants into sin {Romans 5:12} so only a perfect and sinless soul like Adam can redeem mankind from what Adam brought upon mankind that's why said John the sandals of this person he is unfit to untie. Only Adam and Jesus were perfect humans.

*A perfect Son of God just like Adam! Luke 3:38

QuinQ:
You were asked to mention one and you're rambling.

*Why did he change his name to Jesus?

*What's wrong with Michael?

*And how come he never indicated he was anything Michael but instead agreed with Peter He was THE Son of the living God?

*Michael is an angel so now that he's an human he can't bear the same name and the meaning of Jesus is Jehovah is Salvation.

*Michael is not fitting because now he is the Christ who will replace Adam as our father. Adam is the father who transfered sin and death to all humans but we now have another father who will transfer live to everlasting life to all those who accepts him as teacher.

*He told his disciples that they can't bear all the information but holy Spirit will TEACH them the rest they need to know. John 16:12-13

QuinQ:
Many Messengers came from God. From Moses to JohnTB to Archangel Michael. Mention one that the Jews tried to stone for claiming to be God. OR one that another great prophet said he was not fit to untie His shoes. OR one that said he and God are same and if you see Him you've seen God. OR one that was so much foretold. OR one that another prophet was sent to prepare for His coming. Or one that performed anything near so many miracles. Or one that rose from dead. OR one born of a virgin. ETC! Some messenger that was!

All messengers are equal before God the only difference between Jesus and all the others is his background. Jesus is the Archangel Michael the head of all angels in heaven so he's a perfect human that only Adam is equal to him before God {1Corinthans 15:45 compare to Luke 3:38} because Adam was born (created) without sin just as Jesus but all others are born in sin. Psalms 51:5

QuinQ:
Exactly. And somehow (in a way that's beyond our comprehension) Christ is that God and His Father is that God, which seems to us two separate Gods but it's actually one

To you people but to us Christ is no God rather a messenger of our God!

Emusan:
Answer my question FIRST!
Then your question will be answered.
How is that difficult for you to do?

It's OK jàre leave JWs and our troubles!

AntiChristian:
*Where they living together, I mean married when Jesus was born?

*Women surely have parents. Do Jews record the genealogy of women?

*You can show us biblical examples?

* YES. Matthew 1:16

* YES. Numbers 27:1

elated177:
Maxindhouse, what exactly is your problem with this message? Is it not simple enough for you to understand?

It's OK forget it!

ebubeson:
It is possible to be holy.

Holiness has to do with being pure like God hence it's only spirit anointed sons of God are HOLY for now while the rest are RIGHTEOUS if they remain obedient to the holy ones.

Holiness emanates from God cause He is the source of light (holiness) Jesus is holy because he is God's only begotten Son and his 144,000 anointed brothers are holy because they have become born again. Revelations 14:1

As for the rest of mankind what the world has is RIGHTEOUS, UNRIGHTEOUS and the WICKED.

RIGHTEOUS are people who obey God's word as spoken by His representatives among humans. Romans 4:12; 1Corinthans 6:11

UNRIGHTEOUS are people who lived by conscience but doesn't have the privilege of knowing God's word. Romans 2:14-15

WICKED are people who does evil things they won't accept it when others do such things to them but they want to do it to their neighbors! Matthew 7:12

So God promised to raise the righteous and the unrighteous in the resurrection of the dead {Act 24:15} but as for the wicked they will never be remembered so they are gone forgotten forever! Psalms 9:17

Kushites:
I deal in truth.
You deal in racism.
Why do you accept the racism of those who changed his colour from black to white?

Nobody has seen Jesus' color before but one thing is sure: we have his words that's what matters not his skin color!

chieveboy:
I think this makes groups like the Bhudists, Sikhs, Eckankar, The Red Cross, Search for Common Ground and other NGOs. The groups above and hundreds others do not join in conflicts.

So can you find members of these groups everywhere you go and how are they extending the message of peace to others?
Note that JWs began preaching to their neighbors in the year 1919 and today we have JWs in all the countries around the world!

chieveboy:
I am aware the existence of events like Disfellowshipping, Shunning, etc. We had cases of sexual abuse and others. There more controversial ones I do not wish to parse. Does this sound like peace to you within the close-knit circle which in your books is how your kind of peace could thrive?

Disciplinary actions against individuals who turned against what we all agreed upon doesn't demean our peace since it's only the individual even his family members won't support him against the organization so our peace remains among all obedient members!

chieveboy:
May be you need to get what peace is. I see that you believe it is only when weapons are taken that you have what qualifies as a conflict. Enlighten yourself.

No matter what you think say or do it's when weapons are carried that your spirituality becomes useless. So people can be offended and it will be resolved but when it turns to carrying weapons then there is no sense in that again!

chieveboy:
Bhudists, Eckists, Sikhs, out of many are a global groups who go straight to the foundation of how peace can be achieved which teaching you that it can only be found within and it manifests without. They teach practices like Dharma (rightful living) . They encourage what they call Bhakti ( Selfless Love). There had never been when they supported race or tribe in conflicts.

How are they extending the message to others the same way JWs are going from countries to countries, town to town, house to house and door to door?
That's what makes a JW feel at home in any country he gets to as JWs are one family throughout the world.

chieveboy:
I think whatever makes those groups who are for peace pick up weapons would make JWs too, until then, they are all for peace and they are doing remarkable well with proven results unlike JWs who so far only have medicine to cure hunch back for now.

Let them come to my area and prove their worth nah. If truly they have what it takes to pass the message of peace to others!

AntiChristian:
Matthew talked about Joseph's lineage! Someone who's unrelated to Jesus by blood. Is that not a lie?
And how are Jewish women's genealogy recorded?

People around them thought Joseph is the father since the whole thing is not known to the general public.
Women surely have parents nah!

Kushites:
So why was the colour changed from black to white if it doesn’t matter? If it doesn’t matter, why do you have a problem with reverting to the true Black Jesus? Isn’t it because you can’t stand to worship someone who looks like you, since you’ve been conditioned to think only a White Man should be worshiped?
Isn’t it because you are not really interested in worshiping God, but in worshiping the White man who falsely and criminally installed himself as your God?

Guy you are a racist but it's hi time you grow the world is no longer interested in racism whoever teaches the truth is the one to be revered.

Meanwhile Jesus is not my God he is a worshiper of my God!

helinues:
There are so many flops in all those religion people's narration like this .

You don't need to judge or question someone destined to do a particular thing.

My own understanding about life is , there are some factors who determines (not pre )whatever one wants to become in life. All will be based on your efforts..

You can plan something sometimes with so much confident about the success of it, well that's your own thinking, things might not go in the way you initially thought

You may not believe the Bible but what you typed in the highlighted is exactly in harmony with God's word:

I have seen something further under the sun, that the swift do not always win the race, nor do the mighty win the battle, nor do the wise always have the food, nor do the intelligent always have the riches, nor do those with knowledge always have success, because time and unexpected events overtake them all. For man does not know his time. Just as fish are caught in an evil net and birds are caught in a trap, so the sons of men are ensnared in a time of disaster, when it suddenly overtakes them. Ecclesiastes 9:11-12

Times and Chances affects us all!

helinues:
Abi
Why should those who are destined to be evil be questioned when they had no choice than to obey the destiny written for them.

The confusion is they teach that there is destiny but at the same time teaches it could be changed then who wrote the destiny in the first place and who changed it?

helinues:
All brains are not functioning same remember Your definition of good or bad depends on how your brain would translate the meaning to you

There is no destiny otherwise God is to blame for all the atrocities committed on this planet, that's the implication of what misinformed religionists are saying!

AntiChristian:
Stop telling lies! Jesus is one of Adam's progeny even according to your Bible.

Luke traced the lineage of Jesus from Adam.
Still same lies. Jesus is different and only Jesus has a destiny of death that is unchangeable!

God planned Jesus's like and he couldn't save him from death in his plan!

But God can do all things! Everyone's destiny is changeable!

Luke is talking about Jesus' mother's lineage and according to your Quran Jesus has no human father so he can't be a descendant of Adam!

chieveboy:
Which people or nation adopted JW principles on tribal, ethnic, national or any level and achieved peace? Give a name please.

This is why i asked you from the onset:

Do you believe the Bible?

According to that book faith in God is not a possession of any nation or tribe {2Thessalonians 3:2} this means there is never going to be a nation where all the people there will agree together on faith but individuals from different nations will come out {Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1} and join the global family of faith irrespective of their backgrounds they will break free from sentiment and nationalism {John 8:32} to form a global family of peace! Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3

chieveboy:
You are not getting it. It is not working for JW itself, how do you expect it would work for the world?

Can you mention a case where members of Jehovah's Witnesses join in any conflict?

chieveboy:
You keep mentioning "picking weapons" as if those are where conflicts arises from. You clearly do not know the cause of conflicts. For you to deal with a problem, you must know and avoid its cause.

Humans will always have a reason to get annoyed or offended but what i'm telling you is that when a person is offended JWs will use what Jesus taught us to calm the person instead of taking sides, that's where all others failed woefully because they will take sides in support of their own.

chieveboy:
Imagine all peoples not taking medication for mental illnesses and other diseases which helps sanity and well-being, where are you getting peace?

How is taking medication related to picking up weapons in support of war?

chieveboy:
I have given you list of nations, tribes and groups who do without JW's principles and have achieved the end result of what JW has apparently failed at, lets assume JW is a tribe, has it achieved peace within itself as a group like the others I gave you?

JW is a global family of peace where the members have emerged from countries around the world and there has never been a case where JWs lose our sanity to support any race or tribe in conflicts.

All those people you mentioned will still pick up weapons against people in other lands so their so called "peace" is useless if it only works within a location! John 4:23-24

chieveboy:
On one hand people have achieved peace without JW. Their model can be studied and applied to places of conflict. If they are evangelical like JW, they would roam the earth doing what you do. JWs effort is proven to not be effective in that it had not helped any known group, nation nor itself. As an organization, conflicts and controversies had risen.
Here is JW's story:
A man gathered some people telling them tales of how while he was in Wakanda, he could jump over a mile. The people were awestruck at this. One man however was not hoodwinked, he told the man to pretend he was in Wakanda and jump for them to see.

You're not getting it my friend!

Jehovah's Witnesses have gathered people from all races just as Isaiah and Micah prophesied! Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1


They have used the Bible to teach them what God wants for mankind! Isaiah 2:3; Micah 4:2

And the result of this teaching is people from different countries throughout the earth (including people from the world's most racist nations) have learned to put hurtful things behind them and divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop producing buying selling and using of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against their fellowman. Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3

This means if everyone on this planet is a JW there won't be anyone picking up weapons in support of a motion which all those people you claim are peaceful will do in support of someone they chose as leader!

annyplenty:
But what about those that God gave specific prophecies of what He wanted them to come and do before they were born? What can we say about that?
Examples include Samson, John the Baptist, Jesus and othes?
upon their heads before they were born

Good question!

Remember that everything started with the trouble caused by Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden so God chose some humans as fellow workers to help in the redemption work and it's all towards the same goal: Salvation of mankind.

But thinking everyone has been destined when it has nothing to do with this goal is a misconception when God's Kingdom comes to end all badness we will all live by our knowledge of God! Jeremiah 31:34

AntiChristian:
Why do you JWs like apportioning blames?
Na so I met one of them agbaaya old man blaming Abraham!
Christians will lie about destiny but they all believed Jesus was destined to come and die! And nothing could have changed Jesus's death!
That's gross hypocrisy and ignorance!

According to the Bible Jesus is not one of Adam's biological children so he has a mission on this planet, unlike other humans who were born to live normally Jesus' case totally differs his life was one planned by God to save obedient mankind from sin and death.

chieveboy:
I do not know.
You thrive in a lot of ignorance sir. If you were to be pegged against a bushman, only God knows how much you will hoodwink them.
Below are a list of very peaceful groups who do without the Bible are not Jehovah Witnesses:
1. Bhutan (Nation)
Philosophy: Guided by Gross National Happiness rather than GDP.
Peaceful Traits: Minimal involvement in international conflicts, strong environmental ethics, and a Buddhist emphasis on compassion.
Violence/Crime: Very low crime and violence rates.
2. Iceland (Nation)
Global Peace Index: Ranked #1 most peaceful country by the Global Peace Index for over a decade.
Traits: No standing army, extremely low crime, strong rule of law, high levels of trust and gender equality.
3. Amish (Ethno-Religious Group in the U.S. and Canada)
Traits: Nonviolent, reject modern weapons and politics, follow strict pacifist Christian teachings.
Conflict: Avoid even self-defense; focus on forgiveness and community harmony.
4. Tibetan Buddhists (Ethnic/Religious Group)
Philosophy: Deeply rooted in nonviolence and compassion under Buddhist teachings.
Traits: Historically a theocratic society focused on spiritual rather than military pursuits.
5. Hadza People (Indigenous Tribe in Tanzania)
Traits: One of the last remaining hunter-gatherer societies; known for egalitarian social structures and lack of hierarchical conflict.
Violence: Intra-group violence is very rare.
6. Costa Rica (Nation)
Traits: No military since 1948; focuses on education, healthcare, and environmental preservation.
Policy: Invests heavily in peaceful development and diplomacy.
7. Scandinavians (e.g., Norwegians, Swedes)
Traits: Countries like Norway and Sweden have high trust societies, low crime rates, and strong social support systems.
Foreign Policy: Generally pursue peace, humanitarian aid, and diplomacy.
Source: AI.

Chai! See human wisdom o!

My guy there is a big difference between someone who claims something and the one WORKING TOWARDS ACHIEVING it.

Which of those you mentioned could be found in all the countries of the world helping people everywhere to embrace peace?

Ọmọ each person is peaceful on his or her own when isolated but in reality the neighbor who visits you often to discuss how both of you can cohabit peacefully is the one ACTING IN LINE with what he claims not those claiming they are peaceful yet they can't impact others with what makes them peaceful.

You are here claiming you are spiritual and eagerly anticipating to chat with your people does that mean nobody else is spiritual?

Of course not. You are only WORKING TOWARDS achieving something which is ONENESS in thought.

Ọmọ that's what makes JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the only peaceful organization not just claiming something when you are not WORKING TOWARDS ACHIEVING IT GLOBALLY.

annyplenty:
Can we discuss this in the light of the scripture

There is nothing like destiny God never destined anyone it's Adam and Eve that brought trouble into the world and from their time life becomes a tug of war for all inhabitants of planet earth however God has promised to end badness and the time to do so is getting near! Matthew 10:7

Funny racist!
What concerns sane individuals with the skin color of a good person?
Whether Jesus is white or black what really matters is his teachings nobody cares about the skin color of a good person!

chieveboy:
Survival, Charity
In which country do you find those?

In which country did Isaiah and Micah say they will be?
Ọmọ Jehovah's Witnesses are everywhere today and they will never ever raise weapon in support of anyone whereas those you thought are united in
Weed, music, sex, fear, charity, cultism, Love, Education will easily carry weapons against their members at the order of someone whose family is safe and start killing themselves. Revelations 6:3-4

Kushites:
The term BLACK, is what we usually use to describe our people.
Not ''Brown''.
So say BLACK. Your tongue won't melt.

Oh, sorry now i remember it's Purple Jesus!

Ruke1991:
As a JW member, you obviously don't believe in prophecy but you agree that Jesus is a prophet just to downgrade him. Listen, we have shared too many bible verses here from the book of John to Philippians that calls Jesus. You can remain in the error of your elders by selectively picking scriptures and ignoring some that hit the facts that your elders taught you to disagree with. But your inability to reason outside what your elders taught you is a sign of fear and lack of native intelligence

Meaning the scriptures also call Jesus a prophet!

Kushites:
Face the subject and stop typing crap.

Sorry, that was a mistake.
It's BROWN Jesus!

nifemi25:
Heard it was written in the Bible that judgment will start from the church,.... Most of the so called pastor were not even called by God ... They were only hustling for there stomach

The judgement has started a century ago that's why members of most churches are ashamed to mention the name of their church.