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TenQ:
a. “During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people.
b. And Micheal will cause a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time.
c. And Micheal will cause your people to escape, everyone who is found written down in the book.
d. And Michael will cause many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt" Daniel 12:1-2

This is the interpretation!

When it is time for God's Kingdom to be unveiled Archangel Michael will become human. That's why he was transformed into an embryo in the womb of Mary to be born as a human and from the time of his birth prophets like Simeon and Anna declared that a great child has been born {Luke 2:25-26; 36-38} Satan used a star to direct astrologers from Babylon to put the child in trouble so that Herod the great can kill the baby! Matthew 2:1

After his baptism he began preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom and from that time he gathered people and taught them many things which made them wise to teach others {Daniel 12:3 compare to Act 1:8} by the time this message is ongoing Michael with his angels in heaven will sack Satan and his demons {Revelations 12:7-10} that's why Daniel said there will be a time of distress which has never occurred before! Daniel 12:1 compare to Revelations 12:12

Ọmọ both books written by two different prophets specifically mentioned the name of the person whose actions will lead to a great trouble for the inhabitants of the earth:

Archangel Michael!

So you have nothing tangible to say against God's word!

EnemyofGod3:
Bethany Joy what happened to you before you were born is what's going to happen to you when you die. Nothing.
You goes no where

If you pay attention to true Christians it's the same thing we will tell you.

For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

Are the dead going somewhere?
The Bible says humans and animals ends exactly the same way:

For there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust. Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

We are not superior to animals at death all of us expire and go nowhere.

So what is the hope humans have that animals don't?

And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. Act 24:15

Dead humans will be brought back to life again! Daniel 12:2

But that anyone is going anywhere at death it's a lie!

TenQ:
And according to you, Micheal An Angel of God is the Resurrection and Life!? SMH!!

According to the Bible!

“During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt" Daniel 12:1-2

Perhaps there is another person bearing that name Michael in the Bible apart from the Archangel whose voice will raise the dead! 1Thessalonians 4:16

Or Jesus' voice is not strong enough to raise the dead so that he will borrow the voice of Michael to raise the dead!

Janosky:
Self appointed self righteousness.
Holier than thou attitude.
Gate keeper of.......
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That one nah comedian.
After reading our publications he applies the GOOD NEWS found in it to himself but the organization bringing the GOOD NEWS he condemns.
So when i told him that he's not to count himself as part of us after all he hates the Governing Body that's preparing the materials he got provoked!

Janosky:
If you get liver provide the answers nah


Person wey get Bible dey find answers from JW's wey him dey bash & be WAILING about.

Is JAH our God not wonderful?

Ọmọ their restlessness regarding what JWs will say reminds of Jesus' parable of Lazarus and the rich man.

The droplets of water to cool their thirst! Luke 16:24

Janosky:
Emusan Bible no get Psalms 110:1-2 & 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 or Matthew 6:9-10.

What pains them most is how people are pronouncing judgement on them when God's final judgement has not come yet.

Those comments i'm quoting from some individuals who are speaking from their hearts and commending jw.org is already a sign of judgement against them.

It's like saying:
"Please God bring your Kingdom so that only Jehovah's Witnesses will be found everywhere we go on this planet"

When my grandson told me that this is how it sounded to him i was shocked so he said "gp those comments is enough torment for whoever criticize JWs it's as if i should go and show my friends"

Ọmọ that's when i also began having a rethink over those comments:

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Jesus said:

Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens. Matthew 5:14-16

Jehovah is coming to destroy all those making life unbearable for their neighbors on this planet {Psalm 37:7-11} truly all the above commentators may simply speak from their hearts but if any of them is not a JW the person may start feeling regret for ever uttering such judgemental statement because those comments are really tormenting.

Ken4Christ:
The devil is laughing at you. You are his lawful captive. A sure candidate of hell. A son of perdition.

Continue deceiving yourself!

Bfly:
Death occur in the body which Enoch didn’t experience but translated to afterlife.
For more understanding
Even here; In vitro fertilization can happen without sex yet a baby is formed.

Well Enoch never went to heaven so he's awaiting resurrection according to God's word.

Kingsempires:
don't worry forget at list I am okay with your own 🙄

The problem with misinformed people is arrogance.

I was a Muslim but i realized some knows than i do so i humbly accepted to learn from them.

I believe it's crime against myself when i deny myself knowledge due to arrogance.

What is the name of your church?

According to Jesus after establishing the Christian faith something will follow.

What is that?

He presented another illustration to them, saying: “The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse.’” Matthew 13:24-30

Note verse 25 where Jesus said "when men were sleeping an enemy came to sow weeds among the fine seeds" this means after the death of Jesus' Apostles Satan initiated evil men and handed Christianity to them then began persecuting whoever chooses to support what the Apostles laid down. This continued for centuries so Satan's agents arranged the books and added other books to it just to complicate issues for whoever wants to know the message in God's word.
This triggered the anger of angels because it will lead to a great confusion so they asked Jesus for permission to intervene but Jesus told them to let both fine seeds and weeds continue to grow together {Matthew 13:30} so the angels should maintain their peace until the time of the harvest when both have grown tall this will allow for everyone to see clearly the fine seeds and the weeds.
The harvest time began in the year 1914 when Jesus was crowned in heaven as king of God's Kingdom and right from that time research began to find out which books, chapters and verses were added to God's word by the AntiChrist.
So just as Jesus foretold in the first century even though it's difficult for us to figure out which religion has the truth what we need to do is observe their FRUITS {Matthew 7:15-20} you can't do this if you don't know the exact fruit the first century Jewish disciples of Christ produced, it's when you know that fruit that you can start examining the fruit of each religion to ascertain which one matches that of Christ's first century disciples.

After knowing the fruit and that group producing the same fruit the rest lies with you because you may choose to ignore the fruit and continue arguing aimlessly but one thing is sure:

Only the religion producing that same fruit got the accurate knowledge of God's word otherwise they can't if they don't have the accurate knowledge of truth! Matthew 7:16-18

God bless you and may you have peace!

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

Always anticipating to participate in each discussion but when short of words turn to yarning off point throwing insults up and down claiming someone insulted him ten years ago!

The noisemakers are still crying on this matter!

When i ignore you will stop quoting me your time is over!

Gabrielshow24:
Tell me more Elder🥲.
Shall we accept your incoherent dredged-up arguments over the coherent word of God?
God forbid! Let all men be liars and God be True!

OK, go and rest!

Ken4Christ:
Birds of the same feather. You are under divine punishment. According to the scripture:

2 Thessalonians 2:10-11
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE

Continue deceiving yourself!

Kingsempires:
wow thanks for your explanation 🙂

Please ask any of them to explain what Jesus meant by the Gates of Hell can't overcome his church!

Bfly:
In what form did Enoch experience death?

He never experience death but he is not alive which means he is awaiting resurrection.
God's word said all have sinned which means none of us can continue living until God's Kingdom comes.
Not experiencing death doesn't mean he is alive because he is not in heaven.

Bfly:
How did God shorten his life?

He was taken away before his time to die so like everyone else Enoch is awaiting resurrection as one of those in God's memory book:


The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. ‭Revelation 20:13 NIV‬


Dead in the sea means people who died in the sea.
Death means people who are no more.
Hades means people in their graves.


Enoch is in his grave (Hades) awaiting resurrection.

MightySparrow:
.,...waiting for maximumSide's cynic comments.

If his followers don't see you and your pastors as true believers but you think he is on the same page with you there is nothing more to say!

Bfly:
What does the bolded statement above mean then?

It means he never grew old or killed by sickness rather God shortened his lifespan so that he didn't experience pain from evildoers around him.

Bfly:
Check Hebrew 11:5

By faith Eʹnoch was transferred so as not to see death, and he was nowhere to be found because God had transferred him; for before he was transferred he received the witness that he had pleased God well.

Enoch did not see death doesn't mean he is not dead. Many have come face to face with death but survived.
Do you understand now?

Bfly:
They will live forever. yes, even you too; if you are as righteous. Yet wait till then.
The day is coming when that shall be; The Judgement day.

Nowhere did the Bible promised that David is going to heaven!

Gabrielshow24:
Even your conclusion is self-defeating. When Luke 9:49-55 clearly highlights the intent of God on such subject matter.🤨
You are definitely not part of us, you are doing the will of men!

You have had your time, there is no time for you again!

NairaLTQ:
You agree that your NWT was mistranslated!?
It's okay!
People see only what they want to see!

Mistranslation! Yet only those adhering to it are GLOBALLY ACTIVE in preaching and teaching just as Jesus commanded! Matthew 28:19-20

Mistranslation! Yet only those adhering to it are GLOBALLY KNOWN for loving peace and harmless like dove. Matthew 10:16

Mistranslation! Yet only those adhering to it are commended as a religion doing what is expected of true religion globally! Matthew 5:14-16

Mistranslation! Yet only those adhering to it are GLOBALLY KNOWN for not being racist but loving their fellow worshipers no matter where they come from! John 13:34-35

Mistranslation! Yet only those adhering to it are hated for their faith just as Jesus foretold it will happen to his true disciples! Matthew 24:9

Ọmọ maybe you should have a rethink because what you call mistranslation may be the correct translation as Jesus said: the fruit of each religion (translation) will serve as identifying mark! Matthew 7:16-18

Bfly:
David has his place in heaven.
So also is Enoch.
Yet, they don’t live there for now.

Can you back the highlighted with Bible quotations?

Because this is God's promise that David himself penned down with his own hands:

The righteous (David inclusive) will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Psalms 37:29

Ken4Christ:
I have lots of project I am working on. A book exposing all your lies would soon be released. And innocent captives will be set free. But you will rot in the very hell you deny its existence.

Ọmọ you no fit stop honest hearted and sincere people from seeing the WORKS of God's organization.
Jesus said:
"By their fruits you will recognize them." Matthew 7:16a

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

A lot of people have made claims before you and many will still do after you are gone but none of them can cover people's eyes from seeing the fine works of faith among Jehovah's Witnesses! Matthew 5:14-16

NairaLTQ:
Don't mind him.
As far as he is concerned, there was an error in even their NWT as it should have read
Matthew 16:18-19
"You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my congregation, Jehovah's Witness Organisation and the gates of the Grave will not overpower it. I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of the heavens, and whatever you may bind on earth will already be bound in the heavens, and whatever you may loosen on earth will already be loosened in the heavens.”
Unfortunately, even the power to cast out baby demons, they don't have.

Ọmọ walahi talahi you are a joker!

So you understood what i've been saying all along.

Well that's exactly what Jesus meant because his real disciples never had different religions claiming they believe in the same Jesus yet contradicting themselves! John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10

NairaLTQ:
Have a nice day!

And you too.
Don't forget that Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only organization that's ACTIVELY DOING GOD'S WILL TODAY.
So whatever you find in our publications as reference to scriptures has nothing to do with any religion outside our group it is strictly JW matter.
When our publication mention Christians it's referring only to JWs we're not your fellow believers, if you're not in submission to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses you are not a Christian from our point of view!

Ken4Christ:
JW is the most wicked organisation in the world.

Exactly what the Pharisees and Sadducees told their people about Jesus and his disciples yet they are the one and only performing Jewish religious group in the first century.

Ọmọ what God has blessed no man can curse!

Bfly:
He sent a letter to the king through who? Who knew his abode then?
Elijah As prophet who has possibly prophesied about the wicked reign of the king; such prophecy could’ve been delivered as a letter by Elisha who could have been told the prophecy by Elijah while he was still a servant.

Sorry God's word said "a letter", Jesus said no man has been to heaven before his coming and according to God's word all humans (including Elijah) must die.

So Elijah was taken to another location on planet earth not heaven!

Bfly:
‘No more’ could means death; but Elijah experience is a turning point.
Yet, those of David and Enoch are referenced in the Bible

Elijah died too he wasn't taken to heaven rather he was transported to another location on the planet.
He later sent a letter to an Israelite king from where he was taken {2Chronicles 21:12} and according to Jesus no man has reached heaven before Jesus came to the earth! John 3:13

So Elijah grew old and died in his location just like any other human as God's word said that all humans are sinners and so death is inevitable! Romans 5:12