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Bfly:
The Bible emphasizes Enoch was no more. David was buried when he died.

Enoch died!

HolinesstodLord:
God is Holy and dwell
In the Holy place. If you say you are a Christian, why are you not Holy like Jesus Christ your leader? Is Jesus Christ unholy?

Is it possible for someone who doesn't believe in any religion to be Holy?

HolinesstodLord:
Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.

The word REPENT means TURNAROUND so from what exactly do you expect your listeners to make a u-turn?
Are you talking about their evil deeds or their religion?

HolinesstodLord:
Easy. Jump on earth fire and understand physical destruction. Who get to the fire of hell will understand God destroy the soul of sinners.

So you mean physical body is soul to be destroyed?

Ken4Christ:
Even if he was not seen, I know that they are both in hell because of the evil work he did on earth.

So you can continue deceiving yourself the whole world can see the fine works of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Matthew 5:14-16

Kingsempires:
abeg explain that Matthew 16 for me 🤧

You and i have had issues before now but later we became friends because i've made myself clear to you that only JWs are Christ's Church even though you find this difficult to accept i made it clear that that's my unchangeable stand.

This is the verse:

"You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my congregation, and the gates of the Grave will not overpower it. I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of the heavens, and whatever you may bind on earth will already be bound in the heavens, and whatever you may loosen on earth will already be loosened in the heavens.” Matthew 16:18-19

Peter declared that Jesus is the Christ Son of the living God {Matthew 16:16} this means that whatever any other religious leader that time teaches is WRONG if it contradicts Jesus' teachings because he is the only one having a direct connection with God.
So Jesus said on that point the true church will be established there can't be any rival for the true church just as you can't remember any religious teacher whose name or group stands as rival to that of Jesus because their group became inactive after God's Holy Spirit empowered Jesus' group in the first century {Act 1:8a} that's why all others Jewish religious groups turned against Jesus' group back then despite the fact that they are all criticizing one another.

Today the only congregation (church) that is known globally for their activities in PREACHING, TEACHING and ACTING in line with their teachings is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES:

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Hell means Grave which connotes a state of inactivity so when Jesus said the "Gates of Hell" can't stop his church what he meant is that his church will be noticed globally for their activity {Matthew 5:14-16} even though they don't force their teachings on people {Matthew 10:16} they will conquer many pagan traditions and drag people out to become active preachers and teachers of God's word. Act 1:8

Now ask any of these people to explain as in expatiate on what Jesus meant in that verse!

NairaLTQ:
Jesus was speaking about His Church!
Mat 16:18:
"And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
Sorry, Jesus doesn't deal with denominations especially dead ones like JW organisation. Are you surprised!?
Don't change the subject:
Explain Why you told lies about Mat 16:18?

Now you are talking!
The only church Jesus has in mind is JWs so the practical application of what Jesus said is:

You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my congregation (church), and the gates of the Grave (inactivity) will not overpower it. Matthew 16:18

The one and only active congregation (performing church) throughout the world today is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

That's why none of you can mention any other name besides this despite the fact that you people are always arguing over doctrines.

On this forum OLAADEGBU is the most active Deeperlifer he has never spoken well of any other pastor or church except Deeperlife, do you know why?
Well it's simple: each religion is lead by a deceptive spirit that's lying to you people so when Kumuyi set up his own doctrine it's clear that it contradicts that of Adeboye and that's how it goes round yet these deceptive spirits keep lying to you people that you are all for the same Jesus even though there is great divisions among your leaders due to doctrine.
None of your churches is active in preaching and teaching so your doctrines are not known unlike that of the active church which you can quote whenever you are called upon.
That's what Jesus meant at Matthew 16:18 so everything is about JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES no church (congregation) has anything close to that!

NairaLTQ:
I know you dislike the Truth
It's simple
Explain Why you told lies about Mat 16:18?

Which church is Jesus talking about?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂so the name of Jesus father's name was minor and Jesus claimed that he declared it? So when your child calls you father, he is actually calling you the name of the Almighty God of Jesus? If the name Jesus declared is father, why are you not also declaring father as the name of God?

If God's name is not minor to them how will they get lost completely? Joel 2:32

NairaLTQ:
Liars excel in mixing a plate full of food with just a dose of poison of lies to make the whole food poisoned.

Is Jesus the Word of God?
Is Jesus is God's only-begotten Son and Savior?
Is Jesus a ransom sacrifice to atone for human sin?
The answer to these three questions is true even by your lying master's.

But, just like satan, they cannot help but mix lies with these truths, like
Jesus is Angel Michael!
Contrary to Heb 1:4 and Heb 1:5 and Heb1:13
Jesus is "a god"!
Contrary to Jn1:1
All other things were created by Jesus !
Contrary to Colossians 1:16-17


This is You and your masters!
When satan spoke to Eve, did he speak 100% lies or he mixed truth with lies?

Gen 3:4-5:
"And the serpent said to the woman, You shall not surely die: For God does know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

Same pattern after their Oga at the top Mr Satan!
Same with you.


Explain Why you told lies about Mat 16:18 ?
As You are just repeating your lies instead of using your lying master's explanation of Mat 16:18

Story! Story!! Story!!!
Ọmọ from the viewpoint of Pharisees Jesus and his disciples are LIARS, just as Pharisees and their followers are also LIARS from Jesus' viewpoint.
The whole thing boils to the same point jw.org have our own God and father so whatever we read in the Bible is to be applied only to our group.
Get that straight!

All of you put together can't force what OP said back into his throat!

Ken4Christ:
He was seen in hell recently. God gave a servant of God the divine revelation. And his punishment is severe. His tongues is sliced with knife.

He was seen by your fake pastors whom none of them you can trust as your teacher.
When will you stop being a clown?

Kingsempires:
but this thing doesn't happen only in Jehovah witness congregation na it also happens in some other churches 🙁
in every 12 there is a Judas 🙂

In his own religion pedophilia is a norm where they marry babies so he wants to use what he can't see to counter JWs as he has nothing tangible to say against JWs like he's doing for others claiming Christians!

NairaLTQ:
It's simple
Explain Why you told lies about Mat 16:18 ?
You are just repeating your lies instead of using your lying master's explanation of Mat 16:18

They are lying master and you agree with them!

NairaLTQ:
Don't change the topic,
Why did you tell lies about Mat 16:18 ?
Stop the digression
Why did you tell lies about Mat 16:18 ?

It's because you lack understanding that is why you concluded that facts are lies.

Whatever scripture you found in JW quote in our publications is about the organization don't think it includes anyone or group outside jw.org.

So Matthew 16:18 is applied only to the members of jw.org that's what i'm telling you!

NairaLTQ:
If I agree with Muslims that we have ONE God, does it mean I agree with their false doctrine!?

Here is where you dribble yourself!

Two different religions can't worship the same God because it's one spirit {John 4:24} that is behind a doctrine so contradiction is the work of opposing spirits.

Jesus said:

“Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas NARROW is the gate and CRAMPED the road leading off into life, and few are finding it." Matthew 7:13-14

Take note of those two words:

NARROW and CRAMPED it simply means no switching of lanes you must stick to the same line of thought {1Corinthans 1:10} that's what makes JWs ONE globally! John 17:22

NairaLTQ:
I agree with what they said with respect to Mat 16:18 (at leastnin this respect, they didn't mislead you with falsehood).
So, tell me, why did you tell lies about Mat 16:18 ?
It's a simple question?
How did your masters define the word CONGREGATION?

Your lies has catch up with you!

This same group you called "AntiChrist wolves in sheep skin"

NairaLTQ:
So, you are not different from all the religions you claim preach their own messages. And it doesn't matter how you feign to be of light, we know your source to be of the Antichrist who are wolves in sheep skin.
My problem is that you members usually know the truth after you die and it's too late.

Well what they are saying is simple Jesus has just one church and Satan can't cause confusion among them that's the import of Matthew 16:18 and the only organization having that quality is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

So stop deceiving yourself!

This is what Jesus himself said about this topic:

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. John 20:17 KJV


Note the highlighted in blue!

God has never called anyone his brother because God has no brother and God has no father neither does God has any other God greater than Him.

So if Jesus' disciples are his brothers who has the same father and God with Jesus then the answer to your question is simple!

NairaLTQ:
Apologise for deliberately misinterpreting Mat 16:18
How did your masters define the word CONGREGATION?

I asked you from the onset of the what you think about the verse instead you insisted it's my understanding you want to know well Jesus' church is one group of people having the same line of thought and the only group having such today is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

Do you get it now?

NairaLTQ:
Sorry I was banned by the Nairaland Spam Bots, but I have it all saved for you here.
Like I said:
Apologise for deliberately misinterpreting Mat 16:18

Just as you can't grasp what Jesus taught unless one of his disciple explain to you the same applies here.

The church Jesus established is bearing a new group name today:

"JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

If you read jw.org from now till next year you won't understand unless we tell you in plain word!

Ken4Christ:
Because of these two wicked people, so many are in hell.

Because you said, think or dream so shey?

TenQ:
You don't know how your Old Men at Brooklyn interpret this!?
I am surprised!

Well their interpretation is that only JWs are Christ's Church.

That's why i asked for your own interpretation because you disagree with them!

QuinQ:
What the heck are you talking about?? We are talking knowing the full nature of God and you're talking fruits. Who the heck is talking about fruits?
You don't have the capacity to know the full nature of God! Simple. Thanks 4 your time

Ọmọ those that believe Jesus during his ministry didn't see God standing beside him o, it's the fruit of God's Holy Spirit they saw as promised in the prophecies before his time.
So if your religion is not bearing the fruit it simply means you people haven't come to know God!

QuinQ:
There is no "another means of verification". You just have to HUMBLY make peace with the fact you don't really fully know and that you lack the capacity for ever fully knowing!

You lied!

Jesus knew that it will be difficult for us to agree on who knows better that's why he gave us a means of verification saying:

 “Be on the watch for the false prophets (fake teachers) who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit.  A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men. Matthew 7:15-20

Jesus said there is a result real teaching of God's word will produce.

noobaland30:
How come Jesus died to humans if he’s God? Wouldn’t he conquer everything in his path if he was truly God and never died?

Jesus is not God according to the Bible he is God's servant and all servants of God died!

Ken4Christ:
Cursed be Russell and Rutherford for the brain damage they have caused.

Why not curse Jesus for causing confusion among the Jews?

Russell and Rutherford worked to fulfill what God promised in the Bible which is one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} this is so clear that throughout the world people are talking about the peace the world could have had if everyone is a JW!
You can't curse those whom God has blessed!

TenQ:
Mat 16:18:
"And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

Practical application please!

QuinQ:
You don't understand. It's not just you. Humans are incapable of knowing much.

So you too are human therefore the same thing applies to you as well that's why we either find another means of verification or you hold onto your opinion while i also hold onto mine!

TenQ:
John 10:27:
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"

Jesus' sheep follow him, he knows THEM and THEY know him this means they are a GROUP practicing the same thing as THEY have the same line of thought as ONE! John 17:22
So if you don't know THEM well i do and THEY are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Sand2022:
This is serious. Are you the one who wrote this? This is concerning.

You should know by now that whatever you think is WRONG from my side so go and worship with your type!

QuinQ:
You are saying what you don't know.

This is the reason why each person need to keep whatever he believes because from my perspective you don't know anything too so go in search of your type i'm 100% sure they will agree with you just as my type will agree with me!

QuinQ:
My friend it is beyond our (and the disciples') capacity to understand!! He was raised by the Father but he and the Father are one thus there's no difference between "raised himself" and "raised by the Father"!

The difference is clear!

Jesus BEGGED God who has the power to raise him from death! Hebrews 5:7