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QuinQ:
So we then conclude that Jesus was lying, and His disciples (who know almost nothing - to the extent of competing who would sit on his right hand) were right. Okay o

Have it anyhow you wish.

Jesus told us that his father is GOOD this means the father is faithful always so when Jesus took the form of a lesser being by becoming human it's due to what happened in the court of heaven where God declared among the angels:

"Who will go for us?" Isaiah 6:8

That's when Archangel Michael stood up {Daniel 12:1} among all the heavenly hosts and said "here i am send me" {Isaiah 6:8} Jehovah love His firstborn son so much yet he released him for the mission.

So when Jesus talked about laying down his life and taking it back again he was referring to what he did before leaving heaven because from that moment his memories was wiped out and he was turned into an embryo in the womb of Mary.
All his memories was restored the very day he got baptized that's why he stayed 40 days and 40 nights receiving instructions on how his journey will be.

These are the things he summed up and say he laid down his life for mankind the same creatures he loved so much out of all the things God used him to make! Proverbs 8:31

But as for his life it's in the hands of God whom he surrendered to at death! Luke 23:46

QuinQ:
Exactly!
By divine here, we mean "of same substance as God". Angels were not. Jesus is. So what we have is Jesus (who obviously knows 100%) saying declaratively that he was lying down his life and would also take it up. Then we have his disciples (who, like all human, can't know the true nature of God - you can actually say they know almost nothing)

Whatever Jesus is angels are same only God has no duplicate and regarding the knowledge of death and resurrection Jesus died and was raised by God that's what his disciples preached and taught in the Bible!

Instead of using vulgar and abusive words why not politely preach your God and leave each person with his or her own conscience?

"Nobody has seen God at any time"

That's what a disciple of Jesus said so to speak for God whom you haven't seen it's best you leave the matter open and simple.

If we disagree it simply means we aren't worshiping the same God so you move on seeking your type that will welcome whatever you believe and share with you not aggressively using abusive speeches all in the name of talking about your God!

Another ban!

Wow!

Is it a must that you talk arrogantly and use abusive speeches in support of your God?

Banned again!

Well no one is forced to comment it's just a pity that attitudes speaks louder when you have to be banned day in day out all because you want to talk about your God something you supposed to do with mild temper and deep respect! 1Peter 3:15

Gabrielshow24:
🤣🤣🤣Well that's one coy narrative but it falls flat because Jews do not use God's name as exclamations🤨!
ELDER, tell me more lies🕵️!

Lord and God both are titles not God's divine name in Hebrew!

Gabrielshow24:
If you want to convince me

I'm not here to convince you, we know our type and our type only seek what is bearing good fruit {Matthew 7:16-18} even when it's not clear to them they stick to what is producing fine works {1Thessalonians 5:21} instead of arguing aimlessly! Titus 3:9

So my friend you are not our type there's no need worrying yourself over what we teach among ourselves!

Gabrielshow24:
In an effort to avoid giving a direct answer, the situation has become quite convoluted😵‍💫. The actions of certain individuals can indeed be perplexing🤔. Sand2022 has placed you in a difficult position: if you respond affirmatively, you risk undermining your own narrative; conversely, a negative response could contradict scriptural teachings🤨.

What did the esteemed Elder do?😁He performed the unexpected—skillfully evading the question like a seasoned Airbender👀. Rather than addressing the potential for misunderstanding within the body of Christ, he attempted to redirect the conversation towards disobedience as a means of escape🕵️. This motte-and-bailey tactic mirrors your previous arguments all too closely🤨.

God wasn't pleased with the worship of Cain because he has bad intentions that makes him a worshiper of someone else because when God called to reprove him he turned a deaf ear.
The same applies to whoever turns against God's orders such a person is no longer a worshiper of God from that moment unless he makes a u-turn.
That's the secret!

Gabrielshow24:
It's the remark of Thomas to Jesus [John 20:28]. You can't call someone My Lord and My God if they are not your Lord and God🤨

I have said that several times at the sight of amazement so that's what happened to Thomas he wasn't calling Jesus his God!

Gabrielshow24:
You can spin it however you like, your oversimplification won't change its context! He is the eternal word of God!

No wahala nah!
I'm talking about how i understand what i read and you too are talking about what you understand it's not compulsory we agree nah!

Gabrielshow24:
The same way God sends his word🤨! 'cause he is the Word of God! The Word carries the fullness of God's Power and Authority!

The Word means God's Spokesman simple!

Gabrielshow24:
'You are my God and Lord🤔' also says the scriptures! You can't cherry-pick one aspect and negate others!

Please where is the highlighted written or spoken about Jesus?

TenQ:
He thinks Jesus is about Denominations!
SMH!!

So if Jesus is not about different religions then there's no need arguing on doctrine just welcome all as long as they claim to believe in Jesus!

Gabrielshow24:
That's the principle ordained for men!🤨 Sha we now call Jesus incapable because he was subject to gravity😁? Your point is totally irrelevant as long as you are flesh and blood, you are subject to certain principles.

Ọmọ Jesus is God's Son that's what the scriptures say!

Gabrielshow24:
Even if we give you a benefit of a doubt🤨, you can't dismiss his statement of "I am". He asserted that before Abraham was, "I am"! What other clarification do you want?

"I existed before Abraham"

That's what he meant but since you guys want to turn it upside down i will stick to the part that says God sent him which is clear enough at least someone sent him!

Sand2022:
Wrong answer. Return to our earlier conversation and give proves to all the cases servants of God fought, and show us scripturally when those ones served other gods.

You start serving other gods the very moment you turned against God's order that's why you need forgiveness otherwise you don't need forgiveness for errors!

Sand2022:
The WAS is in the imperfect tense. By using the imperfect tense, John is conveying that the Word's existence was not a fleeting moment or a point in time with a beginning. Instead, it suggests a continuous existence in the past, before the creation event described in Genesis 1:1 (which is echoed by "In the beginning...".
Just make research.

The WAS refers to the time he walked the earth just like Moses who served as God for a period of time.

QuinQ:
Here's what Jesus HIMSELF said:
"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again."
You can then go ahead to say He was lying

This is what his disciples said:

During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Hebrews 5:7

Did they lied that Jesus BEGGED God with outcries and tears to save him from death?

QuinQ:
Messengers and workers are not divine no matter how lofty their assignments. Remember what Satan said to Jesus in Mathew 4:6. "He will order his angels concerning you..." Angels are workers

Guy no dey twist am angels are divine!

elated177:
Maxindhouse, aren't we familiar with each here?

People have spoken in times past and it has had tremendous effect on those who heard them.

That's humans for you so if humans can talk and such words had great effects on others what evidence do you have that word of YHVH is powerful and effective?

Or are you saying the word of YHVH has the same effect like that of humans?

QuinQ:
Some God. Stop your heart from beating for a second - your own heart o.
Jesus laid down his life then picked up again. Those are kind of things only God can do

His disciples believe God raised him from the dead! Act 3:15; 5:30; 10:40;

In fact he BEGGED God to save him from death! Hebrews 5:7

QuinQ:
Once again cherrypicking minutae. I can tell you who is NOT divine: you and Moses and the rest of humanity!

What about angels?

Truthseeker10:
What is the meaning of "I Am"?

Explain the bolded below in John 17:21.

King James Bible
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Simple:

All of us are God after all we are ONE!

QuinQ:
Fine, but first admit that, everything taken together, He was implying He was divine! You can then go ahead to say He was lying. Also admit he was not like Moses and others!

What do you mean by the word "divine"?

Oxford Dictionary:

Of or pertaining to a god.
Synonyms: deific, godlike, godly

I'm proud of the organization i associate with it's the only group that's doing God's will!

Truthseeker10:
What name did Jesus declare in John 17:26? Was it Jesus?

He feels emotional blackmail will blind people from seeing the GOOD WORKS of God's organization! Matthew 5:14-16

QuinQ:
Once again, the maxindhouse big flaw - cherrypicking!

Mr I AM, if the Bible should be taken as a whole then there is need to consider lot of things before forming an opinion on scriptures.

Jesus is not God that's why he prayed and begged God to save him it's as simple as that!

The only religion that has been noticed globally! Matthew 5:14-16

Sapiosexuality:
You are not acting like a wise person. If you are really not pretending ignorance then you are not a wise person. Am I arguing or debating anything with you? Stop the mentions! It is too much. Use your brain. Take a photo of it if you want and attach it every time instead of making me think I have a serious mention.

Guy it's OK i've deleted your comment let it go please.

Ruke1991:
Anything that cannot be seen from scriptural passages is what we call doctrine of men.

Naaaaaaaaah you are wrong!

According to Jesus the doctrine of men is anything that fails to yield positive result after being taught! Matthew 7:16-18

For instance thousands of different religions claim they believe in the Trinity, you and i know that the word Trinity has not been found anywhere in the scriptures, again many people claim that Jesus is Almighty God and that is nowhere found in the scripture as well.

So these are DOCTRINES which can't be found word for word in the Bible but still people believe it simply because it has been repeated in their hears for centuries.

What Jesus said is allow all these doctrines to grow together and watch out for their FRUITS it's their fruits that will help you know whether they are from God or Satan. Matthew 7:16-18


Remember Jesus promised his Apostles that God's Holy Spirit will teach them other sacred secrets they need to know {John 16:12-13} so you can't see these things in the Bible word for word but then how do you verify if it's from God's Holy Spirit?

Well the result will show! Matthew 5:14-16

TenQ:
John 10:27:
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"

Oya mention the SHEEP that's following Jesus as a GROUP, remember he said "THEY FOLLOW" which means they are a group doing something in common and noticable globally! Matthew 5:14-16

Sapiosexuality:
Don't you have common sense? Why would you be mentioning someone everyday, week, month, etc., and more than 30 times. Can't you reason? Don't you think it is wrong?

Haaaaaaaa!
So you feel what you said shouldn't be mentioned frequently because it's giving you a headache?
Well if that's what you want i will delete it but remember what i told you:

Your word is stronger than you because it determines how seriously people will take you.