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jazzman7711:
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jazzman7711:
This is a deviant rendition of the hellfire doctrine of the kind propounded by Jehovah’s Witnesses. It does not represent conventional Christian doctrine on hellfire, which IS literalist. So Christianity doesn’t get a pass because a tiny, largely suppressed and ignored subgroup of it proposes a more rational approach to culpability.

OkCornel:
How can these verses be used for doctrine, reproof, correct and instruction in righteousness?
Songs of Solomon 4 v 3-5;
3 Your lips are like a scarlet thread, and your mouth is lovely.Your cheeks are like halves of a pomegranate behind your veil.
4 Your neck is like the tower of David, built in rows of stone; on it hang a thousand shields, all of them shields of warriors.
5 Your two breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle, that graze among the lilies.

AbuTwins:
God is Omniscient!

For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 1 John 3:20
Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit. Psalm 147:5
Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary; His understanding is beyond searching out. Isaiah 40:28

Laying out the cards!
There are two Bible verses that proves the Holy Spirit is NOT Omniscient (i.e. does not know all things hence not God)!

1. Matthew 24:36 (NIV): "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
2. Mark 13:32 (NIV): "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

From the above verses, we see that Jesus despite being 100% God + 100% man (as some Christians claim) is not Omniscient!
We also see most importantly that ONLY the father knows all things. ONLY the father is omniscient!

So how is the Holy Spirit God?

Apostle Paul tried to correct the above after Jesus with:
"For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God." 1 Corinthians 2:11 (NIV)

But this falls short as Jesus already made the claim that NO ONE KNOWS THE HOUR BUT THE FATHER!

So Apostle Paul was wrong that the Spirit knows the thoughts of God and this is a contradiction to what Jesus said!

So which Bible verse(s) proves without ambiguity that the Spirit is God Omniscient?

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AbuTwins:
The laws are to be followed by Muslims till death! The Qur'an mentioned Muslims!
Where was Jesus mentioned in the Old Testament and how did he fulfil any law therein?

IVYWonder9:
Matthew 16:28, we read Jesus said, “Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his Kingdom”.
Is the person standing? Is the person still alive? And is there truth in this word of the Savior Jesus Christ?
To know something about this,

AbuTwins:
Yes, I am!
So Which law mentions Jesus?
Which law was fulfilled with Jesus contextually?

Emusan:
Another shalaye engagement post.
You can shift the goalpost as you like but you can't run away from reality.

AbuTwins:
Which law names Jesus?
Which law was fulfilled with Jesus contextually?

AbuTwins:
Where's the love he fulfilled in the old testament?
Why are you like this?
If someone is to fulfill a law then the law should be from the old testament!
Show where Jesus was mentioned to fulfill any law related to love?

Emusan:
No! Debunking your self-praise of:
1. If the whole world are Jws
2. The post of someone praising Jws.
Which buttresses my point that for over 100years of Jws, if not because of fake smile, fake love, fake life style the whole world could've been JWs.
Onirọ́ ẹlẹnú pẹlẹbẹ
Those post aren't about people claiming to be Christian because about their experiences with Jws even inside the hall.
Stop lying.
So what about the hatred of Watchtower towards Christians?
Isn't that also the fulfillment of Jesus' statement?
Well, you'll pretend as if watchtower doesn't hate other.
Now, sharing personal experiences of one's encounter with Jws is what you deliberately twisted this way.
Shame on you.
Here is from people who are even from your hall as well.
Remember one even said you're not a Jws.

Emusan:
Were you blind?
Here again!
Enjoy your reading

Emusan:
Receipt plenty
If you need more, I can come with one trailer

Emusan:
I'm not a Muslim why should what Muslim turn Islam to should be my headache?

TemmyT002:
There are so many other ways by which the Jehovah’s Witnesses are better Christians than the rest of us and we need to emulate these qualities. There is a very big difference if we are being sincere with ourselves.

Emulating the qualities of the Jehovah’s Witnesses is the key.

SOURCE: https://opinionsandstories.com/how-the-jehovahs-witnesses-are-better-christians-than-the-rest-of-us/

TemmyT002:
Taking Nigeria as a case study, if you are not a Jehovah’s Witness, you must have heard from some pastors or some other Christians like you about how the Jehovah’s Witnesses teach the wrong gospel. You must have heard them say that they use the wrong Bible. They must have told you to kick them out of your house or never let them in. They might have even told you that listening to them could lead you to Hell Fire.

My view about them changed when I related with one of them during an external tutorial class. There was a single guy among the rest in a mixed class of Christians and Muslims. This guy was the only Jehovah’s Witness. We all had a lot of fun bullying him. We made jest of his bag and made jest of the fact that he was a Jehovah’s Witness.

Despite all these bullying, he never retaliated. We were still kids back then and our knowledge of the Bible was what we were taught in our different churches. We argued over some verses in the bible and the guy took pains to explain some topics based on what he had been taught. We all shut him down, of course.

Years later, I had the opportunity to visit one of their Kingdom Halls. I had read a lot of their FREE publications and I wanted to see what they did there. I was wowed. I have been to many other churches but this Kingdom Hall was different.

The surprising part was that after the service, I met this guy again and he was so happy to see me. I was surprised. I thought he would make jest of me and ask why I was there. Instead, he and the other people there showed me love.

How are the Jehovah’s Witnesses better Christians than the rest of us?

1. THEY FACE MORE PERSECUTIONS

The Bible says “Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven”- Matthew 5:10

John 15:18- “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.”

2 Timothy 3:12 – “Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.”

You will agree with me that Christians in Nigeria also get persecuted but the persecutions occur mostly in the Northern part of Nigeria. Jehovah’s Witnesses, however, are many all over the world and they are persecuted more than all other Christians of different denominations. The recent one occurred in Russia.

The Southwestern part of Nigeria, which is full of the Yorubas is considered to be full of people who are tolerant and accept you into their society no matter your status or religion. However, Jehovah’s Witnesses still get persecuted there most of the time.

I watched an American movie about the Second World War and at the end of the movie, some statistics were listed based on the number of people who were killed by Hitler’s Soldiers. Apart from the Jews, the homosexuals, and blacks, I was surprised to see Jehovah’s Witnesses listed among them too.

2. DONATIONS ARE VOLUNTARY

Unlike in other Christian churches where people are forced or even threatened to make donations, donations in Kingdom Halls of the Jehovah’s Witnesses are quite voluntary. When you walk into one of their Halls, you will see a box right at the entrance calling you to make voluntary donations.

In other churches, publications are not free. Pastors and General Overseers write a lot of books. Some churches even produce a lot of books for the benefit of their congregations but these books are not free. This is different with Jehovah’s Witnesses.

In each Kingdom Hall, at least the ones I have been to, there is a special place where lots of books and publications are arranged. You can pick any book depending on the language you want for free.

You might have seen them giving out books on the streets and they would never ask you to buy them. They would instead ask you to make voluntary donations. Even if you don’t have money, you can go ahead and pick. They are more interested in making sure you gain the knowledge of God’s word.

3. MEMBERS AND SOCIAL MEDIA

Do you know a Jehovah’s Witness who doesn’t ‘preach’ on social media? When Jesus was leaving the earth, he asked his disciples to go all over the world and preach the gospel.

Thankfully, we are in the jet age where you can share information that can reach people all over the world. Unfortunately, today’s Christians rarely make use of this opportunity to preach the gospel.

There are lots of Christians who have huge followers on different social media platforms but unless they are pastors, you would rarely see them post anything related to the gospel on their accounts. Instead of sermons you will see them posting their beautiful pictures.

Jehovah’s Witnesses’ members post different topics on Facebook, WhatsApp, Twitter, Pinterest, and so on. Whatever they learn in their Kingdom Halls or conventions, they make sure they share them online.

Other Christians prefer to share nonsensical topics and topics that won’t touch your life positively in anyway. They are supposed to share the sermons they learn from their different churches every Sunday but they would rather share posts concerning Big Brother Nigeria or other nonsense.

4. EVANGELISM

This is one of the things they are known for. Apart from the social media, radio and other modes of evangelism, the Jehovah’s Witnesses preach the gospel by walking from house to house.

Despite the fact that a lot of people reject them, they still keep on. Everything in their minds is looking for one or two people whose lives they can touch positively. You see them walking in the sun, with their umbrellas and bags, with no shame. They prefer to follow God’s instructions and they do this at least twice in a week, walking long distances.

5. TESTIMONIES

Their testimonies are different from those of other Christians. While other Christians give testimonies about what God has done in their lives, most of the testimonies usually involve material things of the world. This is good but there is always something missing.

Other Christians testify about the new cars they just purchased, the new child they just had, the new house they just built and so on. The testimonies of Jehovah’s Witnesses involve turning over a new leaf, giving their lives to Jesus and becoming a model example.

They have different stories on testimonies like these. When you read about people changing and turning over a new leaf, you will be encouraged and you will want to have the same experience. In one of their publications, I read about a Japanese Kamikaze soldier who fought in World War Two and then became a Jehovah’s Witness and began to preach the gospel. I was wowed.

6. THEY ARE ORDERLY AND CALM

Have you ever walked into a Kingdom Hall? As you approach the place, you would believe they are not holding any program because you won’t hear anything. It is only when you enter into the Hall that you will realize that there is a program going on after all.

Other churches love the use of loud speakers. You could be far away and you would hear the different speakers from different churches booming and screaming. Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Kingdom Halls do not pollute the air with noises.

During their programs, they never compete for Bible reading. We all know this. In Pentecostal churches, when the pastor calls a Bible verse, you see fifty people trying to read the same verse at the same time. You would think the fastest reader would be paid for it.

The ‘winner’ is usually the fastest reader. This usually causes fracas among the readers after church services and you may sometimes see two ‘readers’ keeping malice against each other.

The reverse is the case in Kingdom Halls. When a Bible verse is called or when a question is asked, people would raise their hands in order to respond. Everything is calm and quiet. You feel peace in your heart. You forget your problems.

7. SHOW OF LOVE

Many churches in Nigeria love to welcome newcomers. Some churches serve them foods and drinks and collect their phone numbers. The choir members sing a song of welcome and then some top leaders of different groups walk over to the newcomers to shake their hands and welcome. That’s all.

At the end of the program, everyone leaves and forget the newcomer. This occurs in most churches. When a newcomer’s phone number is gotten, all the church want to do is to make sure the newcomer becomes a member and comes always.

In Kingdom Halls, this is different. After the service, almost everyone walks over to you to shake your hand and welcome you with beautiful smiles. Then they politely ask if you would want free Bible study.

There are so many other ways by which the Jehovah’s Witnesses are better Christians than the rest of us and we need to emulate these qualities. There is a very big difference if we are being sincere with ourselves.

Showing love to one another is the key to peaceful nation. Despite the number of churches in Nigeria, in different states and in different streets, corruption is still rampant. Ethnic bigotry and tribalism is till rampant. Something is wrong somewhere and it is all in our hands to change things.

Emulating the qualities of the Jehovah’s Witnesses is the key.

SOURCE: https://opinionsandstories.com/how-the-jehovahs-witnesses-are-better-christians-than-the-rest-of-us/

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

Emusan:
You use permanent marker write something and you want to use eraser to clean it
Couple with a lying spirit.

Emusan:
Back to default mode

Emusan:
Shifting goal post!
Get well soon!

Emusan:
I know and that's why your Jehovah gave YOU PEOPLE A NEW NAME in other to leave the name CHRISTIAN FOR US, so that whoever still thinks he belongs to Christ under the CURSED AND BASTARDISED OLD GROUP NAME should think twice.
Are you STILL a Christian?
This shouldn't take you just one second to answer!

Emusan:
If you're normal then you should know that:

Something already cursed and bastardised can't be defamed again and the moment Jehovah gave another NEW NAME means God is done with the name Christian.

But as usual as a child of your father the Devil, you must fulfill your father agenda.

Emusan:
And Jehovah will then abandoned the name given you which is Jehovah Witness because of your lies and you'll start bearing Christian.
So since the name has not claimed his glory and blessings for now, then leave us to bear OUR NAME in peace abi do we complain to you?
Onirọ́ ẹ́lẹnu pẹlẹbẹ

Aemmyjah:
A reminder that you're talking to Kobojunkie, the only Christian on earth who has never met and probably will never meet any other Christian

Kobojunkie:
Another religious scammer aka wolf in sheep's clothing has gone to his grave.

Emusan:
As you wish!

Emusan:
Mr as you wish, well-done

Emusan:
Okay then Mr as you wish.

Emusan:
Olodo....

Where is any wishes here?

Is it my wish that you said the belows?

1. The name Christian is CURSED AND BASTARDISED
2. Whoever thinks he belongs to Christ under the old group name should think twice
3. We have left the name for you.

Yet you want to claim you belong to Christ under the same CURSED AND BASTARDISED OLD GROUP NAME which you have left.

Is that not delusional?