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tctrills:
Everyone had freedom to choose. People choose to fall back to sin even after repentance is that the question you are asking?

YES, O!
So God anointed a person with holy spirit after he has repented of his sins and got baptized in Jesus' name then he returned to robbing people of their possessions and after he was caught Jesus now took him to heaven to rule with Christ shey?

MindHacker9009:
No one in the verses you have quoted said they were going to sit at the right-hand of the Father.

So Isaiah lied about what he wrote down @ Isaiah 41:10 or God didn't say so?

tctrills:
That's up to him and his God. Did you follow him when he went back to rob? You seem to know too much about this robber even more than what the bible wrote.

He was caught while robbing with his cohorts and he confirmed it with his own mouth.

So back to the question:

After repentance he could go back to continue robbing again shey?

tctrills:
That's a question for Jesus Christ but the most important thing is the final destination. Jesus goal is to bring them together and not to seperate them. The JW goal is to separate them

So if you don't know the answer there's no need arguing because they supposed to be together yet they're separated in the first place!

tctrills:
The gentiles are not plan B but it started with the Jews and spread to the whole world.

So why did Jesus WARNED his disciples not to go to Samaritans or other nations? Matthew 10:6

tctrills:
Please is there any verse that talks about Jesus Christ separating his sheep?

Why aren't they in the same place before?

tctrills:
If he repents

Then he goes back to rob again shey?

tctrills:
Here, Jesus is talking about bringing his sheep together but you seem to be about separating them. Who do we follow, you or Jesus Christ

What separates them in the first place?

tctrills:
You seem to forget that Jesus Christ is Jewish right? Son of David.
But then here is another verse to make you understand.
For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.
So even though his people by birth are the Jews, his blessings are for anyone that does the will of his Father.
The goal isn't to separate the sheep but to bring them together.

His people are Jews so why come only to the Jews until he was rejected?
Aren't others part of the plan?

hammed71:
what if your foreign gods were deceiving you of the promises

I love this question!
What if you're SEEING all the promises coming true?

tctrills:
So Jesus Christ is bringing his sheep from different places to one place that's what the verse says so I don't get your point.

Feeding is what makes a shepherd brings his sheep together but they don't stay in the same place. So when talking about bringing his sheep together Jesus meant they will all feed as one spiritually speaking but they aren't literally in the same place!

tctrills:
You just keep presenting me with the right verses.
Here it states clearly that everyone, not 144k that received him become Children of God. Everyone the receives him becomes co-heirs with Christ.
Please this verse does not talk about 2 Kingdoms of God. Provide a verse that reflects your views please

In that verse who are his own people and who are not his own people?

Were those who aren't his own people part of the plan or they're just waste products?

tctrills:
A born again can commit sin

We're saying the same thing nah.

So after robbery he will still continue preaching and teaching about God's kingdom shey?

tctrills:
But Jesus Christ is saying he will bring his together or can't your read?

Literally a shepherd always carry his sheep together when it's time to feed them but when they're returning to their place each knows where to sleep!

Right hand symbolically means most favoured not that Jesus is literally sitting there.

Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Psalms 110:1

God used the same words when talking to His servants:

"Do not be afraid, for I am with you. Do not be anxious, for I am your God. I will fortify you, yes, I will help you, I will really hold on to you with my right hand of righteousness" Isaiah 41:10

Do you think God was holding Isaiah literally with a right hand?

hammed71:
So one question sir/Ma if we were already practicing our African traditional religion before the colonial masters came and introduce foreign religions like Christianity and Islam, are we not committing sins against our own African Gods.
The Christians/Hebrew believe that if you follow any other God except Jehovah and Jesus we are committing sins. Likewise the Muslims too who introduced Islam to us in Africa.
So what makes the foreigners religion and god's so special that we have to drop our own gods and religion for them., why is the majority in China and India not practicing Islam and Christianity.
I come in peace, I pray in Jesus Allah sango amadioha name you guys don't tear me into pieces

Can you say one thing that the gods of your ancestors promised you after death?

tctrills:
Does it even matter, what matters is they become one. You can't claim the sheep is one if the are treated differently and kept in different locations.
You can't treat people differently and claim they are one.

Do you know the meaning of SHEEP literally?

Well a shepherd can have sheep kept in more than one location o!

tctrills:
And how do you know?

So a thief can be a BORN AGAIN at the same time shey?

tctrills:
This is a lie and your personal opinion. If God never intended to select gentiles how come Cornelius? Did God have a change of mind?

Please explain what this verse mean:

He came to his own home, but his own people did not accept him. However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name. John 1:11-12

Was God planning to destroy all the earth and preserve only the Jews?

tctrills:
If you can't remember your words, don't give me the job of quoting but I will be happy if you take back your words. Are you saying that you never said 'The Kingdom of God 'has 2 different meanings?
If you never said so then let's immediately agree that their is just one kingdom of God and except a man is born again he can't enter it

If you're trying to make this a joke then i will help you.

The thief was never BORN AGAIN!

tctrills:
But he said he will make the one meaning there will be only one category

So why two SHEEP in the first place if you understand him?

tctrills:
We all have our style. You should get used to it

Well i just love responding to anyone who quotes me most especially when such ones ask sincere questions but when you're quoting the same post over and over again it shows you're not sincere to me!

tctrills:
What did Jesus Christ mean when he said repeatedly in the book of Revelation, 'To him that overcome'
What does it mean to overcome.

Please why quoting the same post twice?

Can you calmly read before responding?

tctrills:
I understand that is your point but that is not the point Jesus nor any of his disciples taught.
They never grouped the followers of Christ into 2 categories.
Christians and then born again Christians
Your point is actually manmade guesswork that has nothing to do with scripture.
I have begged you to show just one verse where Jesus Christ divided his followers into 2 categories.

Talking about two categories Jesus said he has OTHER SHEEP meaning there are two categories of Christians!

tctrills:
Oh you want to tell me who I can or who I cannot listen to on a free forum. Hmmm
So now you are admitting that Jews and Gentiles would be in the same place right?
So where did your 2 kingdoms story come from.

Please quote where i typed the highlighted!

tctrills:
Your guesswork again.
But then why did you lie when you said that the words of Jesus Christ below only applies to Jews. Except a man be born again, he can't enter the kingdom of God

Jesus was addressing Nicodemus a Jew who is a member of the Jewish High Court.
In that group they're anticipating joining Christ in his rulership in Jerusalem but by the time Nicodemus was talking to Jesus Jerusalem has already been condemned for their gross maltreatment of God's prophets {Matthew 23:37-38} so that the seat of God's kingdom has been changed to heaven and no human can go there unless he or she has a new rebirth. Nicodemus knew that God never intended to select anyone from among the gentiles to rule with Christ but now that the Jews have rejected Christ the invitation has been blown open to gentiles! John 1:11-12

So a man can't be a part of Christ's corulers unless he is born again but that doesn't mean servants of God who aren't born again won't enter everlasting life under Christ's reign!

tctrills:
So if both Jews and Gentiles go to the kingdom of Heaven and both Jews and Gentiles are born again, what is your point?
This clearly means that Jesus Christ meant what he said that unless a man is born again, (both Jew and gentile) he can't enter the kingdom of God.

My point is that there's a difference between a Christian and a BORN AGAIN Christian, a BORN AGAIN Christian will be taken to rule with Christ in heaven while a Christian will inherit everlasting life on earth but in both places there will be Jews and gentiles!

tctrills:
Oga do you understand the meaning of one fold?
Jesus Christ already told you that he would bring his 2 fold together.
He clearly stated that he will join them together. Both folds were not practicing different faiths.
All the folds of Christ practiced the same faith.
Please was there ever a time that Jewish Christians and Gentle christians practiced different faiths?

I will advise you to stop listening to the other guy and focus on what you and i are discussing if you want to get my point.

I never said Jewish Christians and gentiles will be in different places or practice different faith perhaps you should calm down and reread my posts carefully!

tctrills:
That's your entire point. 1. You never provided a passage of scripture that says only the Jews can go to heaven.
2. You agreed that Cornelius a gentile is born again.
3. No verse in the entire bible speaks about 2 Kingdoms of God
So where did this idea that no gentile goes to heaven comes from
4. Jesus Christ says you can't enter his kingdom if you are not born again.

Please quote where i typed the highlighted!

tctrills:
Oga this is your guesswork not the word of God right?
Now listen to the word of God
John 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

He will bring his sheep together and make them 1 fold not 2 fold.
Are you calling Jesus a liar?

The one fold simply means both the Born Again Christians taken to heaven and their subjects on earth will believe and practice the same faith not that they will geographically be in the same location! John 4:24

tctrills:
You are yet to show one verse that says the Jews and Gentiles go to different kingdoms of God. Your argument is that because the gospel was first preached to the Jews hence they would go to a different Kingdom.
But neither Christ nor his disciples taught that.
Finally please point to the verse in revelations that says only 144k men would be in heaven?

Please quote where i typed the highlighted!

tctrills:
Now you see you don't have a point.
So clearly there are not to Kingdoms of God as you claim.
Now you see that both Jews and Gentiles are the same. Both go to the very same Kingdom of God.
Romans 10:12
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Now
Point to one scripture that says Jews and Gentiles who believe in Christ would have 2 different eternal outcomes?
Just one scripture please.

Your grievances is the blurring power here!

Both Jews and gentiles will be selected as part of corulers with Christ and of course billions will inherit everlasting life in Paradise on Earth but the Christ and his corulers will be in heaven while the subjects of God's kingdom will be on planet earth!