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tctrills:
Your point is that being a busybody is worse than adultery right?

You're trying to misconstrue what i said.

Adultery according to God's word is a SIN but in other cultures around the world people don't take it as CRIME so those practicing it due to their pagan origin may be chosen as born again Christians after their conversion to Christianity but busybodies won't be because they are not doing it under any tradition.

So a former adulterer may be selected among the BORN AGAIN Christians {1Corinthians 9:10-11} but armed robbers, murderers, deliberate evildoers and busybodies can only gain everlasting life if they stop the evil act they can never ever become BORN AGAIN Christians! 1Peter 4:15

TenQ:
Its no more grave, hell or Hades!?

Hell Grave or Hades means a place of inactivity front where the dead will be called out {Job 14:13-15} but Gehenna {Lake of Fire} symbolizes a condition where those in it will never be remembered! Psalms 9:17

Now the RIGHTEOUS servants of God are in a sense caught up to the third heaven because their names are already in God's memory book as RIGHTEOUS ONES that's the import of what you read not that any human will go to heaven where God never purposed for man to live! Psalms 115:16

@ tctrills
Go through this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/7932330/rhoda-jatau-languishes-prison-after#127338266

I believe it will help you a lot regarding what i told you about busybody who revealed what is to be concealed. The woman in question is a Northern yet she is been detained for revealing what was supposed to be hidden from the public.
Even a prominent politician who condemned the act on Twitter quickly deleted his Twitt on this matter, that's to show you how deadly it is to be a busybody in an unjust world!

bobestman:
Guy come to me and i will teach you many things you don't know in that book. The organisation teaching you are empty and know nothing
What i said that you keep reposting is in the bible and their is nothing wrong with it. I gave you a verse on that. Many know that their are other books not in it. Many things were copied from ancient sources. The messiah was against the powers that rule in his time. They control everything and change anything that is against them. The messiah said things against them that they removed. Your new testament was written under Roman supervision. They added and removed from the book
So not everything you read is accurate. You need to be guided by the spirit of God and what is revealed to you. That is knowledge! Your organisation is a dead one. They don't see, hear, dreams, visions etc they just believe. Fools

You can't teach me because i only believe in the Bible but since you said:
"There are many things not recorded in your bible"
I will keep what i know you too should keep what you know!

TenQ:
Somewhere in heaven!

Well it simply means favour from God so those going there are not existing anywhere but their resurrection is certain because God kept them away from not experiencing all the bad things evildoers will do.

Enoch was the first to be shown this favour! Genesis 5:24

tctrills:
Was Cornelius born again

YES! Himself and some members of his house became the first set of gentiles to be counted among the 144,000 corulers with Christ!

tctrills:
You clearly don't understand, the truth remains the truth no matter who you are addressing.
If only Jews can enter heaven Christ would have said so. He would have said except a Jew is born again he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.
But he did not lie, he knew what he said, when he said except a man, that covers all humans both Jews and non Jews. Unless you don't think non Jews are human.

According to God's plan it was only among the descendants of Jacob (Israel) that the Christ's corulers were to be selected they will serve as Kings and Priests over all other tribes of the earth {Exodus 19:5 compare to Revelations 7:5-8} so when Jesus was addressing Nicodemus the man knew what he is driving at.
It was because the nation of Israel lost that privilege. First of all ten tribes out of twelve turned away and never came back to pure worship these ones are called "Samaritans" {John 4:20-24} Jesus made it clear to the woman that only the Jews (three southern tribes) still have God's promise! John 4:22
So when Jesus told Nicodemus "except a man is born again" Nicodemus understood that it's within those to be selected among the Jews that's the import of what Jesus commanded his disciples when sending them out to preach:
These 12 Jesus sent out, giving them these instructions: “Do not go off into the road of the nations, and do not enter any Sa·marʹi·tan city; but instead, go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" Matthew 10:5-6

Why segregation of Samaritans?
Are they not also descendants of Jacob?

Well it's because Jesus' mission was to gather his own corulers whom he referred to as his sheep {John 10:14} it's this first set that will go out and gather the subjects of God's kingdom throughout the earth {Matthew 28:19-20 compare to Act 1:8} these billions of subjects Jesus referred to as his "other sheep" John 10:16

That is why the book of Revelations said that John saw the lamb on mount Zion (God's supposed government house) with him 144,000 (his corulers) they will always be with him everywhere he goes! Revelations 14:1-5

It's after these set has been sealed that the great crowd of subjects emerged:

And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare to those who dwell on the earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people. He was saying in a loud voice: “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of judgment by him has arrived, so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and the springs of water.” Revelations 14:6-7

The highlighted in blue shows that the great crowd are not in the same location with the 144,000 though they're all worshiping God as one family {Revelations 7:9} so Jesus' promise that the other sheep will join the first set in pure worship will be fulfilled {John 10:16} but due to some reasons they can't be in the same location, the Jews have polluted Jerusalem by spilling out the blood of God's servants {Matthew 23:37-38} and finally they condemned the Christ in Jerusalem! Matthew 27:25

That's why Jesus promised his corulers that they will be taken to another location (heaven) and from there they will rule over the earth {John 14:1-3} but instead of the selection to come from only Israelites or Jews the invitation has been blown open to people from other nations of the earth so the 144,000 will be chosen from different nations not just Israel! Matthew 21:43

Kingsnairaland:
One jw used to tell me that they teach them that they will inherent all our lands and houses
And he was happy to be a part of jw I laughed at him he said why am I smiling I show him how God is going to destroy the earth and he became depressed
And went back to talk to his parents about what I reveled to him

You just love deceiving yourself!

Well when God's kingdom begins ruling over the earth all the houses now will be demolished as each person must have his own vineyard and the way houses are built today is out of plan due to greed.
So next time ask me what we believe not just cooking delusion in your head.

Kingsnairaland:
Yes but God now shows to mankind that there are two types of death since there are two type of bodies
There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body
God show that there is a natural death and a spiritual death too
So before you talk about death study the two type that God put in the bible.

DEATH simply means non-existence it's either you get used to it or continue deceiving yourself!

tctrills:
You clearly don't understand, the truth remains the truth no matter who you are addressing.
If only Jews can enter heaven Christ would have said so. He would have said except a Jew is born again he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.
But he did not lie, he knew what he said, when he said except a man, that covers all humans both Jews and non Jews. Unless you don't think non Jews are human.

The battery of my phone is running low.

Till some other time.

Goodnight!

tctrills:
So Christ lied when he said except a man be born again?
If being born again was not a condition for entering the kingdom, why would Christ have said so?

He was addressing a member of the Jewish high court in that group they believe that the Christ will select his corulers in their midst.

That's why Jesus used an illustration to show them that their reward if they're ready to be saved will be the same with all other people! READ Matthew 20:1-16
This illustration shows that both Jews and gentiles will gain the same thing: everlasting life.
But as for being corulers with Christ only God can choose and it must be among those that have received training from the King himself that's why none of those who lived before John the baptist can qualify because they never got the needed training to become corulers with Christ! Matthew 11:11-12

tctrills:
Direct question, do you need to be born again to enter the kingdom of God?

NO!
Because i'm not a Jew anticipating to rule with Christ in his kingdom but if i have to be with him in his kingdom as one of his corulers then i must be BORN AGAIN because flesh and blood can't go to where his government will be established: heaven

tctrills:
But he would be in the Kingdom of God
So it's wrong to say that except a man is born again he cannot enter the kingdom of God right? Since according to you John proves the saying wrong.

That's why i said the term: Kingdom of God
As used by Jesus has two different meanings it doesn't apply the same way in the case of a member of the Jewish high court and a gentile.

When Jesus used that term for Nicodemus he was talking about ruling with Christ in heaven {John 3:3-5} and the same applies to the rich ruler whom Jesus asked to go and sell everything he had! Luke 18:18-23

Note that he didn't say the same to common Jews who only want to enjoy the benefit of Christ's reign but to Jewish rulers who wants more than just being subjects of God's kingdom!

tctrills:
You used the term jeopardize one's salvation not me. And yes there is a difference. You become born again to obtain salvation.

NO salvation is for all repentant sinners not only BORN AGAIN!

tctrills:
So John would not be in heaven?

YES! He wasn't Born of water neither was he anointed with Holy Spirit!

tctrills:
Before I do, are you saying that you never said that the sins/crimes Peter mentioned jeopardize one's salvation? Are you taking that back?

If i ever typed that then it's a mistake nobody can be deprived of everlasting if they repent but it's to be a BORN AGAIN that's impossible for such ones!

tctrills:
So being a Busybody does not jeopardize one's salvation so you lied. That also proves that the robbery does not jeopardize one's salvation.
So what is the basic of your point.

You just wish there's a loophole in my comments but it's a pity you can't find it Sir!
Where did i lied nah?

I said the thief can't be a BORN AGAIN not that he can't be saved because he has gotten a Visa to Paradise. Remember Peter was addressing his BORN AGAIN Christian brothers that they shouldn't suffer as a thief because it's impossible for a thief to be BORN AGAIN note that doesn't mean such a person can't get to Paradise but to rule with Christ? No way for a thief!

tctrills:
So did he jeopardize his salvation for being a Busybody? You said being a Busybody would jeopardize one's salvation but now you are saying it does not apply to John?

Please quote where i said the highlighted.

tctrills:
You are not addressing any of my questions. Did John the Baptist jeopardize his salvation by being a Busybody? Let's start from this simple one

You need to know the difference between Salvation and being BORN AGAIN.

All servants of God whether BORN AGAIN or not will be saved and gain everlasting life but only BORN AGAIN Christians will rule with Christ in his kingdom.

tctrills:
MaxinDHouse has declared that John the Baptist was a busybody now he needs to tell us if John has jeopardized his salvation.

John wasn't a BORN AGAIN Christian so he will gain everlasting life like the thief but he can't rule with Christ in heaven! Matthew 11:11-12

tctrills:
Now you rope yourself. John the Baptist was clearly a busybody, did that jeopardize his salvation?
Would it have been better if he committed adultery.
You are not answering my question.
My question is does being a Busybody jeopardize one's salvation?
Also does adultery jeopardize one's salvation please be bold and answer.

Of course John is one of the greatest humans who ever lived before his time but when talking about BORN AGAIN SERVANTS OF GOD John is not qualified! Matthew 12:11-12

That's what i've been saying all this while that there's a difference between BORN AGAIN and a believer in God, both of them will be saved but a BORN AGAIN will rule with Christ Jesus in heaven while all other believers will live forever in Paradise on Earth!

tctrills:
He is only here to joke and play.
Yes I am claiming a born again can commit sin.
It's not about what I or you claim so I have asked you to use your Bible but you are yet to provide any verse

I have told you that SIN differs from CRIME.

SIN has to do with religion while CRIME has to do with society so what Deeperlife term as Sin may not be sin in Christ Embassy but when talking about CRIME both of them can't dispute it. What Peter listed was CRIME in all human society.
That's why i gave you the example of John the baptist who was talking about SIN when the man in power doesn't give a damn about the laws of John's God but then John the is going into the private life of someone who is not a believer.
So if Herod is a Worshiper of the God who gave the Israelites laws he will take John's matter seriously and beg God for forgiveness but instead he was concerned about his political career that's what led to John's death.

Lesson learned:

It's wrong for believers to meddle in the private life of others most especially when such ones aren't believers.

As i am now if Aemmyjah or Janosky or Cornelboy discovered that i committ adultery they must make it known to the elders unless i myself am ready to do so myself but what if it's their landlord or co-tenant that's doing so and they're aware of it they will surely become busybody if they tell anyone because it's none of their business and the person who did isn't one of our brothers in faith.

TenQ:
You were the one who said that the experience of Paul was Hell, Grave or Hades: rather than the third heaven as stated and not me.

Third heaven means what exactly to you?

tctrills:
You are just a slimy stalker. You asked I question and I answered boldly now I reversed the question and you want to turn it to a joke to avoid answering. Continue since you were brought up to be a shameless coward.
You want to question others beliefs but when it comes to your turn you can't bring yourself to answer.
This JW dishonesty is getting annoying MaxinDHouse can you please talk to your boy?

He is not my boy he is standing up for his own salvation so if he should keep quiet even the stones will talk as you're claiming a born again Christian could be an armed robber!

tctrills:
So that is why to you, a busybody's salvation is jeopardized but an adulterers salvation is not?
Not let's slowly try to understand ourselves

When such a person is arrested by the authority and punished no Christian should go for his bail because he is a busybody in matters that has nothing to do with his calling!

Herod had arrested John and had bound him and imprisoned him because of He·roʹdi·as, the wife of Philip his brother. For John had been saying to him: “It is not lawful for you to have her.” Matthew 14:3-4

The highlighted was John's CRIME.

So when he asked Jesus what he's been doing while he is still imprisoned Jesus told John the baptist "I am doing my own assigned duty" Matthew 11:2-5

From there Peter learned a lesson that it's a CRIME in the world to be a BUSYBODY in other people's private life and Christianity will not condone it!

tctrills:
So Paul's only sin was calling people fool? And that those not jeopardize his salvation even when Jesus Christ says it does but being a busybody would jeopardize one's salvation

Paul did out of anger and that's where our imperfect state comes in he wasn't calling his BORN AGAIN Christian brothers FOOLISH because they offended him personally rather he was annoyed as they were listening to Jews who weren't members of the Governing Body of the first century.
So he did it due to imperfection yet it's a sin!

tctrills:
Do people commit adultery by mistake?
And I put it to you, someone can be a busybody by mistake.

Both are sin but a busybody can make the whole congregation be at risk with politicians.

In Russia for instance the one and only reason Vladimir Putin is against JWs is the rumour that our brothers are busybodies revealing the secret of Russia to USA simply because that's where our headquarter is.
So Putin is ready to wipe out JWs from Russia because of that but do you think he could have taken such a step if it's about someone sleeping with someone's wife or husband?

tctrills:
That's a stupid question. I don't know Pauls sins just as I don't know your sins.
Or do you have a verse that lists all Paul's sins?

Paul himself openly penned it down in his letter that he is still battling with sin {Romans 7:15-25} so if you feel he was ROBBING PEOPLE or SLEEPING AROUND WITH PEOPLE'S WIVES or KILLING PEOPLE or DOING SOME FORMS OF EVIL just say it now because as his Christian brother i can tell you that he was still struggling with tendency to do what is bad but he is really fighting that urge.
For instance Jesus said we shouldn't call our Christian brother a "FOOL" yet Paul addressed his fellow BORN AGAIN Christian brothers in Galatian "FOOLISH GALATIANS" So he is really battling with a violent heart and that's a sin because a born again Christian must have self control! Galatians 5:23

tctrills:
So I even agreed much earlier today for us to assume the robber was not born again but you are scare to explain how this leads to your 2 kingdoms doctrine.
Since you really can't show that the robber was not born again, I have agreed to move forward, let's assume he was not born again now prove your point.
Let's start it this way, with reference to your Bible, where is paradise located?

You can't leave any stone unturned so we have to settle the highlighted first otherwise there's no need further arguing.

An armed robber can't be a BORN AGAIN Christian!

Armed robbery is not something people do by mistake or as a tradition!

cornelboy:
If they can't acknowledge that here, they will surely do in their closet 😁

"That JWs have the accurate interpretation of the bible"...

That's the only reason why i often engage this guy because i don't worry whatever he says i'm ready to prove to him that only Jehovah's Witnesses have the accurate knowledge of the Bible!

tctrills:
Please list the minor sins and list where it is stated that these are the only sins a born again can commit.
As I say is this your guesswork or is it from the bible.
Also is adultery a minor sin?
Pls start explaining

Was Paul committing adultery when he said he is still struggling with sin? Romans 7:15-25

cornelboy:
Mr Max: Was the robber born again?
Tctrills: "I don't know", "maybe"...
How can a sane being be arguing what he doesn't know or can't explain shior lol 😂

What is really disturbing him now is the fact that Jesus promised someone Paradise and the person is not a born again Christian so that nullifies their claim that only born again will have everlasting life!