₦airaland Forum

STEWpid:
Whatever we summed up as god is only peculiar to the people and culture.
You can't be a Muslim without dressing like the Arabs and answering their names. Same as Christians.
That is why today, a Nigerian name will be Abdul Malik Ibrahim or Jeremiah Mishael - YOU CANNOT EVEN IDENTIFY SUCH PERSON AS A NIGERIAN OR EVEN BY THEIR ETHNIC GROUP!!!
Whatever our god has done for us is peculiar to us and whatever their god has done for them is peculiar to them.
The gap in societal growth and development between our society and theirs is not because of any god but because of gregarious and serious efforts by the people.
Meanwhile, those who brought those developments are neither Muslims nor Christians.
Chai..

Obviously you're not fit to answer the question because i ask a PERSONAL QUESTION but you keep on taking it to SOCIETAL LEVEL.

If you know anything your ancestral gods has done for you PERSONALLY that you feel foreign gods has failed to do for their worshipers let me know.

Meanwhile the title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING so there's no God that can make any country or nation improve that largely depends on the ATTITUDE of the people themselves the only thing a God can do is maintain peace among those adhering to the words of such a God as their supreme being but for a society where people worship numerous gods NO GOD can help them to improve!

STEWpid:
Chai..
Why should you have such backward societal problems when almost everyone is either Christian or Muslim??
Because society is the people!!

You have not answered my question.

Now let me put it straight to you if you can answer:

What has your ancestral gods been able to do for you that you feel the foreign gods have not done for their worshipers?

tctrills:
You forgot, wrongdoing is among the sins Peter called out in the verse you quoted. Pls read the verse again.

This is the same thing we're saying!

Wrongdoing as in SOCIETAL CRIME or what one religion teaches that's against another religion?

I taught you yesterday that when talking about wrongdoing Peter wasn't talking about religious laws but SOCIETAL as in what is wrong from the perspective of all kinds of people religious or not?

tctrills:
You compared a sin to the action of Jesus Christ for argument sake. Shame.
Again the verse you quoted from Peter also mentioned wrongdoing as one of the things you claim a born again can't do. Based on you answer yesterday, Paul did wrong in calling people fools do you still think he was born again or was he just following the example of Jesus Christ.

You quoted Jesus out of context otherwise if we're to go by your one way traffic interpretation Jesus himself was wrong because he called some people "FOOLS"

So are you ready to learn the difference or you're still puffed up with pride?

STEWpid:
1). That is because you no longer consult them.
2). They will do for you what you ask them to do.
3). Don't forget that the whites that gave you religion were buying our gods. They only return the ones that gave them trouble.
4). While your religion tells you that your artifacts are demonic, burn them and throw them away, the whites stoles it from you and are showcasing them in their museums; generating trillions of dollars from it ever since.
5). Since the other gods are doing everything for you, yet, you cannot produce electronics, cars, etc. even common toothpick. You still depend on your slave masters for everything.
I thought since both of you are worshipping the same gods, you should be able to do the same?

Guy i asked a question what his god has done for him you're talking about what the society can do as a whole do you know the difference between personal and societal problem?

tctrills:
Since my discussion with you, I have never told a single lie but only yesterday you called out Paul and today you compare that very action to Jesus Christ.
You claim a born again can do no wrong but now you have to admit that Paul did wrong.
Do you see how worthless your words are?

Please quote where i typed the highlighted!

STEWpid:
You have not seen any promise come true.

1). You have not died before and come back. Even if you claim so, you cannot prove it brother.
2). If the promise you think you've seen come true is wealth, breakthrough or open doors, other people who are not in your religion also experience the same or even better than you.
3). Majority are Christians or Muslims because they are born into it. Same brainwashing that makes someone behead the other while chanting Alahu akibomb in anticipation for 77 tiny poosies in heaven. Just like the jihad by christian crusaders in the past.
4). Imagine, Nigeria has billions of churches and mosques and are so religious, yet they're so backward in everything and are also extremely corrupt.
Chai..

Guy before quoting me think deeply o because i am a Christian to the core and i can prove to you that so many promises the God of Abraham made has come true.

So are you ready to examine them or you're just here to argue in support of the dead gods your ancestors worshiped?

tctrills:
You are not saying the same thing. Today you are comparing his actions to that of Jesus Christ.

You quoted Jesus out of context that's why i called your attention to what Jesus himself said so you can see that you need to reason deeply before concluding on what you read.

If you think calling someone a FOOL is the same sin as being an ARMED ROBBER then i will show you that both Jesus and Paul called people FOOLS yet none of them was an ARMED ROBBER!

tctrills:
Sorry to say but you have no shame.
Yesterday you openly said Paul committed a sin but today you compare his actions to that of Christ.
You are a very dishonest person.
I have not for a second condemned Paul. I did not even say Paul committed a sin.
But not you see yourself arguing against your own words.
Funny people.
An organization that lacks integrity.

You're the shameless person here who said a BORN AGAIN Christian can still be an ARMED ROBBER!

Paul himself said he's still battling with sin {Romans 7:15-25} and i taught you that don't think it's ROBBERY O it's violence that our brother is battling.

So don't lie!

tctrills:
Here are your words it was you who said he sined not me.
That's what happens when you tell too many lies, you get caught and then start shifting blame

I'm still saying the same thing that the only sin our brother was battling back then was violence due to anger NOT ROBBERY like your BORN AGAIN ARMED ROBBER!

tctrills:
I never condemned Paul it was you who did. Yesterday you said he committed a sin but it seems the JW opinion changed overnight

You're just hiding behind a finger come out openly and i will teach you.

I quoted Paul saying he's still battling with the tendency to sin and you quickly concluded that he must be commiting serious sin secretly that's why i point out that it's violence that the servant of God is battling not ROBBERY like your BORN AGAIN ARMED ROBBER!

Kingsnairaland:
I already told you that all don't correspond it left for you to quote one and link it up so you can see it don't link up

Jesus himself took Isaiah book and read it and link it up and then explained what it means

So write down your own and link it up then you can see it not corresponding

God made sure that only those who are born of God can explain Bible with Bible

Others will break when they try to explain Bible with their minds.

Shame on you!

All was fitting perfectly that's why you can't quote any out.

tctrills:
So you are saying Paul was right to call people fools and you think anger is a fruit of the spirit

Before you condemn Paul condemn Jesus too both of them called people "FOOLS"

That's what happens when you feel you're too big to be taught!

tctrills:
Please use the scriptures and not your guesswork. Anyone can guess

Ọmọ you've been doing guesswork all this while that's why you can't answer any scriptural questions straight ahead all you do is quote and fail to substantiate anyone can do that even Boko Haram are quoting the Bible before killing people!

What has the gods of your ancestors been doing for you and your ancestors?

Kingsnairaland:
None of the scriptures you wrote down corresponds to the questions

That why you did not write down what the scripture said to see that it actually did not correspond.

When men of God in the bible quote scripture they always write it down read new testerment to see all of them mentioned old testament and they write it down as they explained it

The reason you don't write your own is because it does not tally with the question.

Quote one that doesn't correspond!

tctrills:
To be born again means to be born of water and the spirit.
As for what is Paradise, let's look to Paul to learn more.
1 Corinthians 12
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

He called paradise the 3rd heaven so it's clearly not on earth but in heaven.
It's also the place where we have the tree of life. This is the best I can do and I hope it helps

Hmmmmmmm!

Both Paradise and heaven means the same place since it's all God's kingdom and there is no separation!

cornelboy:
What does it mean to be born again?
What's paradise?

They've mixed it all up that's why they can't say for sure what is right or wrong what can lead one to Paradise or destruction.

They're totally confused.

And when JWs want to help them they will start arguing blindly!

tctrills:
So it was correct for Paul to call the people fools? Is anger a fruit of the spirit?

Anger differs from bitterness note that Jesus also called people "FOOLS" {Matthew 23:17} so the context differs but neither Jesus nor Paul was an armed robber!

tctrills:
The bible did not state if he was or not. Was Paul born again?

So a person who robbed you this morning can still preach in your church as a Born Again today?

tctrills:
If there were a set of special people chosen and another set that would make the kingdom of God without being born again, as you say, the that would make Jesus statement false.
Jesus says a man can't enter the kingdom of God without being born again but you are saying that a man can actually enter the kingdom of God without being born again.
One of you is wrong. I am comfortable believing Jesus and not you.

Was the thief BORN AGAIN?

tctrills:
English class for you.

But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

This means, let none of you be a murderer or a thief or an evildoer...
If born again people can't commit these offense, why warn against them?
Also, is calling someone a fool not evil? Please check the definition of evil? So by your own definition Paul is not a born again.

Calling someone a FOOL for not practicing the things taught by the group is not the same as calling someone who is a fellow believer FOOL because of personal grievances.

Learn to know the difference.

Paul was struggling with the tendency to anger just as he has always been in the past {1Timothy 1:13} before Jesus called him he was never an armed robber o!

tctrills:
Peter never listed the things born again can never do.
You are at least a bit educated. If Peter was warning the Christians against certain things, it's because he knew they were capable of such. I tried to teach you that it's stupid to advise a blind deaf man against pornography. You don't warn someone against something he can commit. Please stop making yourself seem uneducated

He was addressing BORN AGAIN Christians and he clearly said nothing should make them fall into such mess which means their privilege of ruling with Christ is on the line!

(1) Tell me which house will you live in
(2) which vineyard are you talking of
(3) When will only your jw get this vineyard
(4) Who is going to build it
(5) How long will jw live in the vineyard

(1) Houses we will build! Isaiah 65:21
(2) Planted by us in Paradise! Isaiah 65:21
(3) When evildoers are gone! Psalms 37:9-11
(4) Jehovah's Witnesses! Isaiah 65:21
(5) Forever! Psalms 37:29

tctrills:
You don't think God forgives born again. You said Paul used the term foolish and it was a sin, was it the Holy spirit that inspired him to use such language?

Peter never listed ANGER as something that a BORN AGAIN can't fall into rather he stated:

Murderer
Robbery
Evildoer
Busybody

Moreover Paul never got angry because of his personal needs but an armed robber is greedy that's why such a person can't be a BORN AGAIN Christian.

But if you're still doubting then i will continue to take it up with you that there's a difference between a Christian and BORN AGAIN Christian both of them aren't the same.
One is born of water and spirit while the other is only born of water so while one is totally under the control of God's Holy Spirit the other is looking at the examples of the BORN AGAIN because they're the ones who will rule over them in Paradise.

So back to our discussion:

Do you still think an armed robber could be a BORN AGAIN Christian?

MindHacker9009:
This thread is about Jesus.

Isaiah did not say he is now sitting at the right-hand of the Father? Christians say he was talking about Jesus christ.

But Jesus said he was "going to the Father"
Mark 16:19
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

So if you believe Isaiah about God's right hand and you can't explain how Isaiah got to God's right hand then you have nothing to say against Jesus been at God's right hand!

tctrills:
A verse in the bible stated that he will forgive even if your sins are red as scarlet. Just read your bible to learn these these. They are not hidden unless you decide not to learn

I never disputed forgiveness of sin but BORN AGAIN anointed with God's Holy Spirit that's the bone of contention.

So can an armed robber be a BORN AGAIN Christian born of the spirit of God yet going about to rob people?

This is what Paul said about the fruit of Holy Spirit:

"On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law." Galatians 5:23-23

So i'm really really shocked that the same holy spirit can produce an armed robber!

MindHacker9009:
Isaiah did not say he is now sitting at the right-hand of the Father? Christians say he was talking about Jesus christ.

But Jesus said he was "going to the Father"
Mark 16:19
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

Leave Jesus out of the matter for now and focus on Isaiah at God's right hand!

So where is God's right hand so that Isaiah was there?

So are they together when Jesus said
"they are not of this fold" John 10:16 ?

tctrills:
I guess you are surprised by the mercies of God right?

Really Really shocked!

Because your god anointed an armed robber after he repented of his sins and got baptized in the name of Jesus then he returned to robbery and was caught only for Jesus to take the armed robber to heaven to rule with Christ.
Your god can do anything just anything even though it's against the word of God written in the Bible!

MindHacker9009:
Did Isaiah say he is now sitting at the right-hand of the Father?

But Jesus said he was "going to the Father"
Mark 16:19
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

What was Isaiah doing at God's right hand and where was Isaiah so that he was in God's right hand?

tctrills:
Are you making sense. The bible says they with become one but you are asking me why they are seperate. I only stated what is revealed. The revealed word it that there will be just one fold no more 2

We're saying the same thing here.
It's just that you don't understand me because they're supposed to be together not separate so my question is why were they separate in the first place if they're all Jesus' sheep?