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Kayberg:
Not when their directives are wrong.
Protest is legal, even in all laws to bring the attention of the government to the people's views. So don't force foolishness on anyone.
Evil men triumph because good men sit down and do nothing.

I'm not arguing with you over human thinking so let's comply with what Jesus commanded:


Jesus commanded his own followers never to protest against the authority no matter what happens {Matthew 5:41} because our kingdom is no part of this world {John 18:36} so how do you think Jesus could have been killed if Christians are to protest against the authority?
Do you think Jesus could have been executed without a big protest by his followers?
Or do you think Peter and John who were imprisoned could have been so if Christians do protest against the government?
Or do you think Paul could be imprisoned if Christians should protest against the rulers?

Ọmọ you're arguing blindly over what is clearly written in the Bible but later you will start saying Jesus is XYZ but what he commanded you're not ready to OBEY!
"This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’” Matthew 15:8-9

Dtruthspeaker:
Only stupid jw does not know.

OK nah!

Satan!

MrPresident1:
I am not a eleri Jehofa of American country organisation

Jesus chose that country to establish his group because that's the country where FREEDOM of SPEECH, EXPRESSION, WORSHIP and ASSOCIATION was granted and the same country began taking it to whole world.

So while other countries were fighting against freedom of worship America stood firm for all religions to practice their faith without hindrance otherwise you can't speak against established religions as you're doing now!

MrPresident1:
Is Eleri Jehofa an American cult? I heard somewhere and the person said that it is an American cult sha

What did the people who saw the Prince of Peace said about him?

“This fellow does not expel the demons except by means of Be·elʹze·bub, the ruler of the demons.” Matthew 12:24

They saw Jesus fulfilling what the scriptures said about his presence but they attributed the fine works to Satan.

So Jesus foretold about Jehovah's Witnesses:

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25

Therefore if Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling what the scriptures say about the followers of the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} and someone people attributed such fine works to Satan then use your own brain.

May you have PEACE!

Kayberg:
That is it… that is just it. Always misquoting and misunderstanding the Bible!
Maybe understanding English is the issue, I don't know.
Quoting from Romans 13:1-2, what happened to verse 3?
You are to obey good rulers who tackle evil and not otherwise.
Gosh!!!

Do you think there are some GOOD RULERS?

Well God's word said all of them will be DESTROYED! Daniel 2:44

So when God's word say we must OBEY those in authority there was no clause whether they choose to be good or evil we must obey them it's only WORSHIP which belongs to God that we must not give them! Mark 12:17

Kayberg:
John 10 (KJV)
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¹⁷ Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
¹⁸ No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

The same commandment is given to all those exercising faith in Christ they are not dead spiritually speaking because their resurrection is certain but that doesn't mean any dead msn can raise himself it's God who resurrected Jesus according to God's word! Act 2:24; 3:15; Hebrews 5:7

So what Jesus meant is that God is loyal to those who are loyal to Him therefore their death is not permanent {Matthew 10:28} because their names is already in the book of life! Revelations 20:15

Kayberg:
Only those who see no wrong in governments' bad moves and policies will not voice out.
Protesting is not even a crime according to the law of every countries.
Only an evil government will be afraid of protests.

According to God's word it's UNCHRISTIAN to speak against those in authority not to talk of protesting against them.

Jesus of Nazareth is the founder of Christianity the man who introduced him to the Jews is a prophet {Malachi 4:5} but instead of him to do his job as the prophet sent to introduce Christ to the nation he began speaking against the atrocities committed by human government {Matthew 14:4} that is what led to his arrest and execution {Matthew 14:10} during his time in the prison he called for Jesus' intervention Jesus told him point blank
"i am doing my own assigned duty" Matthew 11:4-6

So Jesus COMMANDED his own disciples never to raise their voice against those in authority {Matthew 5:41 compare to Matthew 10:16} rather whatever they demand we must give {Romans 13:1-2} except worship which only belongs to God! Mark 12:17

Bestbrain123:
spirituality as reality without evidence..

The Bible said:

A time will come on this planet when people from different geographical locations will start using the word of a God (God of Abraham) to teach themselves and the result will be that they will settle all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4 repeated at Micah 4:1-3

It is happening today!

So what other evidence do we need to believe that the spiritual controls the physical?

If you're saying you must see God before you agree that He exist have you seen Mr Gravity?
Have you seen Mr Black hole?
Does that mean these two doesn't exist?

Guy stop deceiving yourself!

IjeBos:
I'm still somewhat confused with the below.
1.) How are you using the term Religion and church?

Because that is what they are today different sect claiming Christians and their place of worship is called CHURCH.

IjeBos:
2.) Why would assume everyone worshiping at the same church is the same?

There are many following Jesus but don't trust him so i don't believe that everyone worshiping in the same place are the same.
However there is only one religion that can lead men to salvation.

IjeBos:
But, yes, I believe Christ made it simple when he said, 'Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me." I haven't seen Trump act in that manner. And thus the question, how can someone who rejects the fundamental tenets of following Christ be hailed as a Christian?

With the highlighted i said it's impossible for Trump and those hailing him to be Christians.

INFORMANTS can only pass messages across to you but can't decide your next line of action so the person who is always the sole determinant of your next line of action is the one controlling you.
The one and only sincere informant is God but because humans detests the truth Satan seized the opportunity to control the world by promoting falsehood and attacking anyone who speaks against falsehood. 1John 5:19

IjeBos:
I'm not sure I fully understand your point in the bolded part.

If you say Trump is not a Christian does that mean you're condemning his church (religion)?

Most people misconstrued the group name CHRISTIANS for nice people so if a person has questionable character they will conclude that all those worshiping in the same place with him are guilty of the same offense it's like saying "Jesus' disciples are a symbol of betrayal" since Judas and Peter both betrayed him but is that the truth? NO!
So what disqualifies Trump from being one of the disciples of Christ?
It's his character which he is not ready to stop therefore those hailing him aren't Christians because they're hailing bad behavior.
Paul said LOVE does not rejoice with unrighteousness! 1Corinthians 13:6


So when i said Trump and those hailing him are not Christians it doesn't mean i'm talking about his religion but himself as a person and those hailing him.

cornelboy:
The teachings of the apostles and their letters are not invalid. We can learn basic principles from old testament books too. You can't segregate Jesus' teaching from the Bible. It's still the Bible.

When i first saw this thread i laughed because the OP is an advocate of military services to protect countries, i have told them that it's not possible to be a Christian and at the same time being a military officer because the two doesn't correlate in any way but instead of accepting the truth they will say it's Jehovah's Witnesses doctrines. Now their so called Christians are in Israel as well as Palestine and in both countries those claiming Christians are part of their military so how can they render their service without killing their fellow believers?

Now they will see that only Jehovah's Witnesses are saying:

"We are the followers of the Prince of Peace" Matthew 5:14-16

Kayberg:
But your truth is all lies, mistakes, heresy, deception and contorted doctrines which is holding souls down for condemnation!!!

That is exactly what Boko Haram says before they start killing people so leave that to God preach your own you're not God to judge if you say mine is lies i also believe yours is lies so it's only God that can judge that.

The only evidence to know who is saying the truth you will not accept it Jesus said:

"By their FRUITS you will know" Matthew 7:16-18

Real disciples of Christ preach and teach from house to house {Matthew 10:11-13} they are not protesters against the government {Matthew 5:41} they don't join military to kill people {Matthew 26:52} they love neighbours {Mark 12:31} they have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} they don't think of killing their enemies but always pray for them! Luke 6:27-28

All these you can't present any group practicing it yet the one and only organization teaching their members to continue observing all these things as commanded by Christ Jesus {Matthew 28:20} you say they're teaching is wrong! John 16:2

So if all these evidences means nothing to you then there's no reason to continue arguing blindly!

Kingsnairaland:
So you see why Bible said God hide the understanding of the scripture from their eyes since they see but can't understand
Even after I show you the other one you still refuse to believe in Jesus.

Jesus himself asked his disciples:

“Who are men saying the Son of man is?” Matthew 16:13

They responded:

“Some say JOHN the BAPTIST, others ELIJAH, and still others JEREMIAH or one of the PROPHETS.” Matthew 16:14

Jesus then asked his own disciples:

“You, though, who do you say I am?” Matthew 16:15

Simon Peter answered:
“You are the Christ, the SON OF the living GOD" Matthew 16:16

Jesus said:

“Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did" Matthew 16:17

So mumu churchgoer according to Jesus himself Christ is the Son of God and that is what all his disciples believe till today about Jesus just as i also believe for my salvation:

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten SON, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God did not send his SON into the world for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. Whoever exercises faith in him is not to be judged. Whoever does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten SON of God" John 3:16-18

Guy Jesus na SON of God no be GOD himself there are many Gods Moses and Jesus were also Gods {Exodus 7:1; John 1:1} but as for the Almighty God it's only one person and that is JEHOVAH! Exodus 6:3; Psalms 83:18

If you deny this then you don't believe in Jesus of Nazareth nah another Jesus you dey tok!

Dtruthspeaker:
Says the stupid jw who can't get past the fact that all those cast in hell are living things.

So death and hell (grave) are LIVING things!

Kingsnairaland:
Yes the one you call jehovah in your hall. Yes God became sorrowful and cried inwordly that what grieve means
grieved == ; grieved feel intense sorrow.
Genesis 6:6
The LORD regretted that He had made mankind on the earth, and He was [deeply] grieved in His heart.

Jehovah never begged anyone to save him but Jesus did!

Kayberg:
cornelboy
You said Jesus spent the next three days unconscious in hell and God raised him up the third day.
How can you say JESUS CHRIST was unconscious for three days in Hell when the Bible said otherwise?
1 Peter 3 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¹⁸ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
¹⁹ By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
²⁰ Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Can someone unconscious preach to the souls in Hell? Why are you guys so full of lies and deception?

Guy Jesus was UNCONSCIOUS for 3 days and 3 nights he was nowhere to be found until God raised him from his UNCONSCIOUS state. Act 2:32; 3:15

The preaching simply means his death sounds a warning to all rebellious angels that God can send them to non-existence.

Jesus was one of the angels before his earthly mission and they have all been alive since their creation till today so for Jesus to have been in a state of UNCONSCIOUSNESS means they can also be sentenced to non-existence.

That's what Peter meant not that dead Jesus was somewhere preaching to anyone the dead are conscious of nothing at all! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Kayberg:
This is not about preaching what you understand, this is about preaching the truth!
Stop misleading souls!

Good!

Go and preach your truth to those that will take it i will also preach my truth to those that will accept it.
There is FREEDOM of SPEECH, EXPRESSION, WORSHIP and ASSOCIATION so nobody can stop anyone from preaching whatever they UNDERSTAND as truth or are you Boko Haram?

Go and tell your stories to your pastors who are killing their followers through politics Jesus of Nazareth CRIED to the person who has the power to save him! Hebrews 5:7

Kingsnairaland:
1)
Your problem is you don't know how to separate things in the Bible

Jesus is both man and God almighty

Philippians 2:7

but emptied Himself [without renouncing or diminishing His deity, but only temporarily giving up the outward expression of divine equality and His rightful dignity] by assuming the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men [He became completely human but was without sin, being fully God and fully man].




Bible said God hide all the awesome powers that made him a consuming fire when he came to earth.. That was the only way to function secretly

Remember if jesus openly revealed himself they will not kill him he will not die on the cross the mission will be destroyed

So note the Goal of Jesus was to die on the cross his goal was not to reveal himself to the world openly but to only those he chose to be saved

if God came to the earth with his consuming fire even the womb of Mary will be destroyed by the power so Bible said God hide it

So what it means is that
God took up flesh God prepared a body for himself

I told you many times that Jesus is both man and God almighty

So Bible said every thing that man do he must do it and everything that God do he must do it

As a man he must cry like every one he must shit like every one and he must pray like every one.... He must suffer like every one etc.

Now what are the qualities of man that believe in God when they suffer all men that believe in God cry to God when they suffer so as a man that Jesus is he too must cry to God that was why he cried

You must understand that
Jesus is both man and God

Until you are able to understand this mystery that God hide inside Bible that is when you will know who Jesus is


So the same way only God can receive worship from other men you can see many people worshipping Jesus in the Bible

Jesus is the only one apart from God that called himself God name in the Bible
when he said I AM..

and the children of Israel knew what he was saying and wanted to stone him to death because they know only God bears that name

So as a man which he is he must under go every thing so that he will be able to bear our sins and die Bible said the reason he cried is for him to be a perfect high priest for us

If Jesus did not suffer little little suffering then he can not be able to bear the suffering of the cross before death infact he can't even die if he did not suffer like us

Bible said all the suffering that you have ever suffered in life Jesus pass through it so that he will be a perfect high priest unto us

That why Jesus can do what man can do and do what only God can do

Only God can forgive sins that why Jesus was able to forgive sins when he came on earth.

Dtruthspeaker:
Fool! Is it not living things that are cast into prisons with other living things Mumu?

Stop crying when you fail to substantiate what you stupidly took literally.
This is the question again:
Are death and Hell (Grave) also LIVING things?

Kingsnairaland:
Am not blind
Because this shows you are blind because you don't know the word of God and how God works When Adam was created God made Adam the god of this world when Adam fell he gave that authority to Satan and Jesus came and died for mankind and rose from the dead and became the head of both man and Satan and took all the authority back but Bible said we shall see Jesus authority fully only on the last day at the appointed time
So
Jesus is God almighty so there was no reason for Jesus to do anything the devil wants at that point when Satan tempt him Bible shows that Jesus is the head of Satan because Satan has power and has a kingdom and is a principality in his kingdom
Col. 2:10
You are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power” Bible shows that we are sitting with Jesus who is God almighty so we are above devil in rank devil can not touch us without Jesus permission and without our time on earth been up Bible shows that Satan trembles at the knowledge of God Bible shows that even in devil disobedience he is still actually obeying God Because Bible shows that devil is doing his own work which is to steal and to kill to destroy and and he will receive his wage at the end of the world So we too should do the work of Jesus which is to bring men to Jesus so that Jesus can give them eternal life and we will receive our own wage too. So yes devil is the god of this world
But he is not the God of our kingdom that is inside us but Jesus is his head of all kingdoms but good and bad kingdom so Jesus is the God of the universe And both the God of the kingdom of God and the kingdom of darkness.
.. For all authority was given unto him after he rose from the dead. Glory

Jesus is the Almighty God yet he was crying for God to save him, shey? Hebrews 5:7

Guy just continue deceiving yourself!

Kayberg:
You're openly rejecting the truth of the Word of GOD. How can you change what has been written to make it suit your delusions? You read plainly they were reserved for the burning but you said it's not true!
We're done…
Enemy of the truth spotted.

There's no problem go and preach what you understand while i preach what i understand it's not a Boko Haram case where someone will insist that others shouldn't preach what they believe.
So you're free to express yourself just as i'm also free to express myself.

Thanks for your time!

A totally new account registered on October 2 and very aggressive one indeed.
Please try another means this one has been exposed!

TrumpBiden:
😂😂😂😂 It's your pride and ego for me.
Your sound like a dunce 🤣🤣🤣.
Anyways, the GB has released new guidelines, so go and read, you have a lot of work to do.

TrumpBiden:
So, the watch tower with their speculations programmed you to believe that the earth in that passage is not the world but human being, ofcourse your Jehovah is a lier. 🤣🤣🤣
The same Jehovah that said the earth is going to end in 1975. He's such a lier.
Careful if not the Satan you believe is the ruler of your world and life will kill you soon 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Such a fool

TrumpBiden:
earth shall be dissolved

It's not the literal earth otherwise that will make God a liar for making a vow and breaking His own vow! Genesis 8:22

The earth here refers to faithless miscreants making up the largest population of the planet!

Kingsnairaland:
Maybe you are blind in the spirit because I am not,... God said government are still ministers of God to bring oder in the society
Now all the places you list in the Bible non said don't join politics or be a part of government
Now we are not of this world means
. We have our own kingdom which we are in which is the kingdom of God..
Jesus said this kingdom is inside us it is not physical kingdom it is a spiritual one
. But we can join politics and government if we want because Jesus said stay here on earth tarry here till the day I come
The world operates the kingdom of darkness system how they do this is by using the system of the devil to run things but God promised it won't hurt us or control us
But we Christians don't use this same system God children in politics do not engage in devil worshipping or sacrifices
Romans 13:1 read down ...
Let every person be subject to the (government) governing authorities.
For there is no authority except from God [granted by His permission and sanction],
and those which exist have been put in place by God.
Therefore whoever resists [governmental] authority resists the ordinance of God.
And those who have resisted it will bring judgment (civil penalty) on themselves.
For [civil] authorities are not a source of fear for [people of] good behavior, but for [those who do] evil.
Romans 13:1-7,
Paul describes the governing authorities as “ministers of God” and says they are responsible for administering civil justice. Although God is sovereign, He chooses to use human governments to carry out His will in the civil sphere.

Now this is where you are blind!

Satan is the ruler of this world right now {John 14:30; 1John 5:29} he told Jesus that all the authority on this planet is in his hand {Luke 4:5-7} abeg who gave him?
Is it not God who permitted Satan to be the ruler for the main time?
Is it not the same God who promised to judge Satan and all his corulers? Genesis 3:15 compare to Daniel 2:44

Of course all worldly politicians are permitted to be there so that they can continue maintaining law and order before God's Kingdom comes to wipe them all away therefore they are serving as ministers permitted by God to be there but when it comes to getting involved in their activities no believer in Jesus should engage them that's why Jesus declined when Satan offered him a position under Satan's government.

So don't be confused, God PERMITTED them not because they're doing God's will but just for them to continue serving as watchdog until God's Kingdom comes to wipe them all away!

Is Satan not God's minister too?

God destroyed those cities because He wanted to curb the act not to spread so fast but now that the chosen King of God's Kingdom has come there's no need to curb any evil act {Revelations 22:11-12} the judge will come and end all badness once and for all times! Luke 19:27
Those engaging in the act today have heard of what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah so there's no need hindering them from the type of life they chose.

Broveens42:
Hahahaha ... it's not me, it's simple English.
It's not everything you argue blindly about. You can disagree on doctrines and teachings, but certainly not this.

What makes you wrong is here already.

If those laws are from the Almighty God then it should be used to settle all the disparities among those adhering to it throughout the world because that's the purpose of laws but because it was given to just one nation back then an adjustment is needed for other nations to be incorporated into it's observance {Jeremiah 31:31-34} that's the reason God promised to send another prophet like Moses who will also be a lawgiver {Deuteronomy 18:18} this prophet will united all faithful people throughout the world not using the laws given to just one nation but a global rule that no human society can find fault with it. Isaiah 2:2-4

But if you disagree with the above please present a global family of peace loving worshipers observing the obsolete laws you're you're advocating!

Kingsnairaland:
You are yet to bring proves that men of God work with politicians to kill. You say things out of emotions do you really have the fear of God in you.

You're now asking the right questions.

Jesus said his disciples are no part of the world {John 17:14} so when talking about chosing the person that will rule God's word said it's evil in the sight of God {1Samuel 8:6} Satan as the head of those ruling the world {John 14:30; 1John 5:19} wants to use it as a trap to engage more people in the rulership of the earth so that if you're not part of them you can be part of those opposing them which will lead to hatred among those involved. Jesus' disciples are to love their neighbours {Mark 12:31} they are to love fellow disciples just as Jesus love them {John 13:34-35} they are to love even those opposing them {Luke 6:27-28} how can such be possible when they engage in politics?

That's why the book of Revelations said a great sword was given to POLITICS so that all those involved can start killing themselves as a result of the hatred they have built in politics! Revelations 6:3-4

So if your so called men of God encourage their followers to engage in politics for instance if Adeboye is for Tinubu how do you expect his followers who are for Atiku to have the love of Christ among themselves?
If Kumuyi is hailing Tinubu how do you expect his followers who are supporting Obi to have the love of Christ among themselves?

That's why Jesus said his own disciples are no part of the world of POLITICS {John 17:14} it's our neutrality that makes Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Goodness, Kindness, Faith, Mildness and Self control work among us! Galatians 5:22-23

On the other hand those engaging in politics must practicing and support these acts:
Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings. Galatians 5:19-21

Or can you tell me how those engaging in politics will do so without promoting at least five of the things Paul mentioned here?
I know you will lie but i'm prepared to expose you, there is no politician that's is free from all these acts so anyone supporting such a person can't speak against such acts with full conviction because the politicians he is supporting is PRACTICING it.

Guy that's why i said both you and your so called men of God are spiritually blind!

Kingsnairaland:
Next time mind your vile words because God lives inside me am filled with the holy spirit which you don't believe inI have prayed for many jahova witness and they recovered from the cultNow the main thing is men of God don't force you to vote for those they like so don't side track and behave unrulyYour enemies are not men of God but the devil.

Guy, continue deceiving yourself.
Your useless, hopeless and worthless pastors are the ones you should go and pray for since they are working with politicians to kill people here and there.

Broveens42:
"the NT quoted the OT wrongly"

Your PERSONAL opinion!

Kayberg:
Do you even understand what you quoted in 2 Peter 3:7

I don't have to respond to the other man he's not interested in God's word.

Now this is what Peter said:
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:5-7

So Peter isn't talking about the destruction of this planet because the heavens and earth of old was mentioned.
Did God destroy heaven and earth back then?
NO!
Only evil people were destroyed but out of anger other creatures were affected, Peter now said by the same pronouncement both the heavens (rulers now in control) and the earth (faithless miscreants troubling the world) will be utterly destroyed, that's the import of ungodly men mentioned in the verse.

For your information the HEAVENS means human rulers that people are looking forward to for relief just as the earth looks forward to the heavens for rainfall and sunshine {Isaiah 55:10} but they always promise and fail. Ecclesiastes 8:9
The EARTH are faithless miscreants troubling the planet and making life unbearable for both their own rulers and their neighbours. Isaiah 57:20

That's why your understanding of the scriptures totally negates what God said in the old testament about the earth made to last forever! Genesis 8:21; Ecclesiastes 1:4