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FRANCISTOWN:
King of lies, you've started again.
No one except Mary and Joseph knew that Jesus was not fathered by Joseph. So everyone who addressed Jesus thought he was the son of Joseph. Also, Joseph was already from the house of Jesse and was practicing the religion of the jews, so whatever nonsense theory you quoted is useless. There was nothing like adoption by marriage in the case of Joseph.
Also, where did you see that stupid theory that you posted? Was Jacob called "Jacob the son of Laban" because he married Leah and Rachel?
You need to start using your head FR

Ọmọ traditions aren't just what people do but ADOPTED as time goes so calm down and reason the first century Jews were children of returnees from Babylon so they were ready to adopt children based on marriage alliance with a faithful worshiper of their God.
Joseph was married to Mary so whether the child was born through biological means or supernatural it still boils down to the fact that both parents were descendants of King David!

FRANCISTOWN:
This one will just download erroneous theories from the atmosphere and rush to nairaland to state them to people. That lie you just posted up there, where is a reference text or literals backing it up?

What exactly are you saying?
Is it the tradition of first century Jews you're asking or the couple were direct descendants of King David?

You agitates easily.
Mary and Joseph were both indigenes of Bethlehem Ephrata as in real descendants of King David so Jesus is from that lineage whether the Jews accepted his credential as the scriptures foretold that he will be born by a virgin or they concluded that Joseph actually impregnate Mary.
That's the point Sir!

FRANCISTOWN:
Whether documented or not ain't the point here. You are here again with blind argument.
No one in those days in Isreal was addressed by their mother's ancestral name.
They were a addressed by their father's ancestral name. In fact, when we talk about ancestral and lineage, we are only referring to the paternity household.
Not just in Isreal but also in most African cultures
E.G
David of the household of Jesse
Josiah of the household of David.
The remnants of the household of Jeroboam
'Of the household of Judah
' of the household of Isreal
Eleazar the son of Aaron
Nahshon the son of Amminadab, of the tribe of Judah
Eliab son of Helon
Nethaneel the son of Zuar, prince of Issachar.
Eliasaph the son of Deuel and so many of them like that.

See the words of your God himself

Numbers 1:2-46
“Take a census of all the congregation of the sons of Israel, by their families, by their fathers’ households, according to the number of names, every male, head by head from twenty years old and upward, whoever is able to go out to war in Israel, you and Aaron shall number them by their armies. With you, moreover, there shall be a man of each tribe, each one head of his father’s household.
Numbers 26:2-4
“Take a census of all the congregation of the sons of Israel from twenty years old and upward, by their fathers’ households, whoever is able to go out to war in Israel.” So Moses and Eleazar the priest spoke with them in the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho, saying, “Take a census of the people from twenty years old and upward, as the Lord has commanded Moses.”Now the sons of Israel who came out of the land of Egypt were

1 Chronicles 27:1-24
Now this is the enumeration of the sons of Israel, the heads of fathers’ households...

Exodus 1:1 Now these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt; every man and his household came with Jacob.

Joshua 2:18 Behold, when we come into the land, thou shalt bind this line of scarlet thread in the window which thou didst let us down by: and thou shalt bring thy father, and thy mother, and thy brethren, and all thy father's household, home unto thee.

Leviticus 17:8 And thou shalt say unto them, Whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers which sojourn among you, that offereth a burnt offering or sacrifice...

And so much more.

In those days in Isreal, they were addressed by the name of their household, and that house hold was their father's household.

The "Thou son of David " was because they thought Joseph real fathered Jesus. You cannot be addressed by your mother's ancestral name

MightySparrow:
By faith we walk 2Cor. 5:7
By faith we are are healed Mark 10; Luke 8:48
By faith we are kept
By faith we understand that the worlds are created by His word Heb.11: 3
By faith we live Roman 1: 17; Gal. 2: 20. Heb. 10: 38;
Anything not of faith is sin Roman 14: 23
We die in faith Heb 11: 13
We are faith personified.

What's the purpose of all these?
When the OP rubbished your faith you kept mute but now you're quoting scriptures out of context and aimlessly.

MightySparrow:
I don't have problem with the OP.

Guy i'm not interested in your stupidity speak with the the OP!

EnvyandHate:
We lost the land but not our bloodline.

God has no business with unfaithful people that's why His promise is tied to that land as long as His people are on that land the covenant holds.

Busybrain2233:
I wish Xtians will accept it as error

It's not, first century Jews do adopt their sons in-law so Jesus is from the lineage of Joseph and Mary who were both indigenes of Bethlehem Ephrata!

EnvyandHate:
We migrated from Judah to Gual that's what the book of Galatians is taken from that place called Gual which today is Southern France.

If the covenant is no longer kept on the land of promise (Israel) then there is no covenant anymore!

MightySparrow:
I don't really have problem with unbelievers, but with unbelieving believers products of GB.
Thomas Abraham.

YES just as your LIVING FAITH below!

OP

MindHacker9009:
The TRUE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD and not the Roman empire god of the New Testament the got another man's wife pregnant with the invented Jesus Christ which is a Greek/Roman pagan belief.

YOU

MightySparrow:
I don't have problem with the OP

MightySparrow:
You can even testify.
Characteristics of living things is activity.

CHARACTERISTICS of people with faith but can't stand up for their do called faith!

MightySparrow:
Christ nah without any GB's colouration.

If you believe why not speak up when the OP is asking questions indirectly condemning what Jesus said?

MightySparrow:
I believe very much and you?

Stupid idiot!

The quotation is from who?
GB or Christ?

If you believe why not speak up when the OP is asking questions indirectly condemning what Jesus said?

Enough of this back and forth argument if your religion demands tithing go and pay!

OP

MindHacker9009:
The TRUE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD and not the Roman empire god of the New Testament the got another man's wife pregnant with the invented Jesus Christ which is a Greek/Roman pagan belief.

YOU

MightySparrow:
I don't have problem with the OP

OK i heard you!

MightySparrow:
Living Faith of Oyedepo or dead faith of GB?

Living faith indeed!

MightySparrow:
Who are the unbelievers:
1. Believers in Christ?
2. Believers in GB?

Is the below quotation from GB or Christ?

So why can't you stand firm to tell the OP what he's assuming is IMPOSSIBLE if Jesus' word can't go unfulfilled?

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away. “But pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with overeating and heavy drinking and anxieties of life, and suddenly that day be instantly upon you as a snare. For it will come upon all those dwelling on the face of the whole earth. Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that you may succeed in escaping all these things that must occur and in standing before the Son of man.” Luke 21:33-36

FRANCISTOWN:
Those days in Isreal, you can't be called by your mother's family name.

You're wrong!

Jews in Jesus' day have adopted the opinion that when a man is married to a Jew and he's practicing the religion of the Jews he has become not just a son in-law but adopted son of his father in-law. That's why Mary's family lineage was documented in Matthew's account! Matthew 1:16, 18

EnvyandHate:
Europe is a continent not a nation or bloodline.

So God never made any covenant with people living in Europe according to the Bible God only made a covenant with Israelites and that covenant stands as long as they're keeping His words on the land He promised them.
Whatever makes them leave that place the covenant no longer holds that's why they can't keep His commandments anywhere outside Israel because that's the place He swore for His name to be called!

In fact if a hundred million stands against Jerusalem when God's covenant holds they will all perish but once they're no longer on that land the covenant no longer holds!

MightySparrow:
Christ only is our messages.

Faithless miscreant.
Why not stand up for what Christ said?

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away. “But pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with overeating and heavy drinking and anxieties of life, and suddenly that day be instantly upon you as a snare. For it will come upon all those dwelling on the face of the whole earth. Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that you may succeed in escaping all these things that must occur and in standing before the Son of man.” Luke 21:33-36

Who said the above?
From the quotation is there any possibility that the destruction of unbelievers can go unfulfilled as in pass away?

MightySparrow:
Haa haa! Olopaa ewo ni tepe ?

MightySparrow:
Haa!!!!!!!?

Oyedepo has rendered you so hopeless to the extent that you can't even stand up for the faith you're professing unless you follow other churchgoers during their criticism.

Someone outrightly condemned the Bible, Christ and God but all what you could think of his how Jehovah's Witnesses will respond to him.

Can you see how faithless you are?

MightySparrow:
You are joking Sir! You never answered any questions with absolute yes or no. You merry go round. A tool of your organization to dodge questions.Will your answer be NO or YES or NEITHER or EITHER?

I am asking you to address the OP with boldness if you're truly a believer in Christ!

EnvyandHate:
God made a covenant with Israel. The Franks are the tribe of Benjamin who were ruled over by Merovingian kings of the line of Judah. Most of the British Isles, Welsh, Ireland Scotland and England were Judah but they were conquered by Roman Empire in 43 a d and became mostly Edomites. Most of the European wars were Israel v.s Edom. It's hidden history.

Did God made any covenant with Europeans?

EnvyandHate:
Jesus founded Christianity and all the family members converted to the New Faith and went into Europe. There is a huge piece of history missing from your view of Christianity because Hebrews ruled Europe. The old Judaism was Hellenized so this is why Jesus remade it. Those white Jews are Khazars who converted and intermingled with the Hebrew Edomites of the Byzantine Empire that's why a good portion of them are Edomites too.

Did God made any covenant with Europeans?

EnvyandHate:
God kills people and commands that they be killed for violation of certain laws.

This only happened within Israel because God delivered them as a nation without military force from Egypt, He made a covenant with the nation so they all vowed to worship Him or die by His commandments if they failed.

But that's not the case with other nations since God never had any covenant with them!

MightySparrow:
JWs have issues with Christ and the rest of us.
Despising the body of Christ, taking Him out of salvation's equation. When what you are discussing is not in line with the GB theory, you can disqualify even Paul or other Apostles.
Living in delusion.
My friend come down from your conceit and learn real, Bible Jesus from us!

This is your first comment on this thread:

MightySparrow:
MaximumSide will not like that. His GB has taught him that God has left judgment for JWs. I see JW's carrying placard

If you're not stupid the OP raised a question challenging your so called faith in Christ and instead of you to defend what Jesus said you are here talking about Jehovah's Witnesses.

Guy you need some spanking from Papa!

MightySparrow:
Acts.5.42 - And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

Just as you boldly preached Jesus to the OP right?

Janosky:
Your comprehension skills leaves much to be desired.

There's no need responding to his stupidity he tried to engage atheists and agnostics but can't make any meaningful comments so he's back seeking the attention of JWs to exchange words!

EnvyandHate:
In order to defeat an enemy you must agree with him. Prophet Muhammad was one of the great holy sages of all ages. The holy Quran is a mystical book that holds alot of cosmic truths. My mission is to mediate with those who are not of my faith. I only fight with hypocrites because they come after the righteous for obvious reasons. As long as there is a righteous example the hypocrite is exposed therefore his heart is filled with moral envy. Hypocrites are those who turn back to paganism which I mentioned early that some of the evil Muslims have done. Other than that I have no issue with Muslims serving Allah anymore than Ifa people serving Osun. Religion is not by compulsion. My heart's desire is for a true nation of God on the earth it is not to join a bible study. We must fight for this to happen and studying the Bible is not the study of war.

Do you think true nation of God should be by people killing people?

Casting of lots is old tradition in the east back then so all the nations there practiced it but since the true God has sent His Holy Spirit to guide His own worshipers after Pentecost 33 c.e Satan and his demons continued with the old traditions and using it to enrich many so that they can continue with such practices.

Literal burning of animals for sacrifice.
Using images during worship.
Burning of incense and use of rosaries.
Preaching loudly in the streets.
Loud prayers disturbing neighbours.
And so on are all demonic practices today!
Compulsion of circumcision.
Monetary tithing.

But do Christians in the first century knew all of these instantly after they were baptized with Holy Spirit? NO! They only followed Christ's example until the new light comes through careful reading, diligent study, thorough meditation and fervent prayers in Jesus name to God for guidance!

So today if anyone is still practicing any of these things let him know that he or she is into IDOLATRY not CHRISTIANITY!

MightySparrow:
The Op get certain things wrong. Casting lot or throwing fleece was not strange to Judaism. Gideon used it. Urim and Thumim may have been used same way.

However, the apostles didn't understand that things have changed. Holy Spirit was now the driver not fleece or casting of lots.

This is the truth but do you really agree with what you just typed or you only typed it just to cover up for what you don't understand?

Well after they were baptized with Holy Spirit Jesus' apostles began growing in understanding gradually {Proverbs 4:18} because they're imperfect humans unlike Jesus whose understanding was perfect right after the baptism of Holy Spirit.

So going by the highlighted if anyone now ask you:

Is casting of lots to decide issues a Christian practice today?
What will be your response? YES or NO

EnvyandHate:
MaxInDHouse
That's a very serious argument one in which I shall keep in mind. But know this, I am for Freedom of Religion even for the pagans. I care not what a man follows and seek not to convert any away from his heart's desire.

That's why you need a Bible study with us!

You need to know how the God of Abraham is the only true God, why He established Israel as a nation of priests, why He keeps on protecting that nation until Christ came and why only Christians are qualified to live forever! If you don't know all these you will be confused as to why there are so many religions all claiming they're worshipers of God!

jaephoenix:
I meant a dog, not birds. Check the original post, I have corrected it.
That's what happens when one multitasks

So can you show me how a goat turned into a dog?

jaephoenix:
I asked you a simple question but you like many agnostics here dodge bullets.
HAVE YOU SEEN A FOSSIL BEFORE? Whether live or pictures.
If you don't know what it is, you can always Google

You see what i mean?

The Bible never talked about FOSSIL so anything could be escalated after secretly planting it but whatever creature they talk about since we can't see it now then we can't use what was escalated to judge because humans are capable of anything as in anything!