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BeautyOfIslam:
That doesn't affect the fact that it was due to the arrival of Islam that we in Yoruba land can write and read

Well you're entitled to your personal opinion but if you ask me i will say the language that's generally spoken today by everyone in Nigeria is English not Arabic and to confirm that you are also here typing in English not Arabic which means English actually taught us how to read and write that's why you and i are chatting in their language.
Do you think Nairalanders (including most of your Muslim people) will understand anything if it's typed in Arabic?

paxonel:
It SPECIFICALLY mentioned all the 12 tribes of Israel at that time or era of the bible, not now

Why can't you people just humble yourselves and learn?
Before JWs baptised anyone as a member he or she would have studied the Bible diligently before speaking confidently about the scriptures.

Now open your copy of the Bible no matter the version you're using to Exodus 1:2-5

Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, and Benjamin, Dan, and Naphtali, Gad, and Asher. And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already.

The highlighted in green shows the ORIGINAL twelve tribes of the sons of Jacob (Israel)

But in the Bible book of Revelations this is what you'll find:

Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Zabulun were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

So the new list comprises of these tribes:

Judah
Reuben
Gad
Asher
Naphtali
Manasseh
Simeon
Levi
Issachar
Zebulun
Joseph
Benjamin

Please what happened to the tribe of Dan?
And why Manasseh who is not Jacob's son?

The laws becomes obsolete after Christ it was meant to lead the Israelites to the Christ that's why God told them through Moses:

"I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name". Deuteronomy 18:18-19

So the constitution God gave Israel was to lead them and prepare their minds for the counsel of the Messiah who is the world's most wonderful counselor of all time {Isaiah 9:6} all the prophets ever raised among the Israelites taught the people how to adhere to the laws as obedient citizens of Israel but the Christ is not coming to continue as a counselor for only that nation {John 3:16} that's why those laws became obsolete after him because he has broken the barrier that's separating Israelites from faithful people throughout the earth so those people are now part of God's family through the counsel from Christ Jesus that's what their constitution can't do because it's all about them and their nation only! Exodus 19:5

Dtruthspeaker:
Those who want jw madness have taken it. But it is apparent today that this Israel we see are definitely not God's people. Thus, it is very understable wjy only 12000 of each.of their tribes will be found true people of God

My business is with the OP please i have no business with you.
Thanks!

The 144,000 are spiritual Israelites they aren't the literal Israelites we've always known in the Bible!

So to fully grasp it's meaning try to contact the Witnesses and study God's word with any of us within your territory we will teach you! Matthew 28:20
https://www.nairaland.com/6589422/study-bible-jehovahs-witnesses

Aemmyjah:
Show us whwre thw Ethiopian Eunuch saw Jesus? Shebi na u sabi Bible pass

The truth here is that Jesus never appeared to anyone after his Revelations to Apostle John in the final verses of that book he declared:

“I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll" Revelations 22:18-19

Reasonably if Jesus should appear to anyone afterwards then more things will be revealed which will mean ADDITIONAL information to what has been revealed in the Bible so the fact remains that Jesus has declared:

NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION hence there's no reason appearing to anyone afterwards!

Writing and reading has nothing to do with religion it's all about coming from the place where civilization has reached. The Arabs carry their religion everywhere they go so adherents of the religion have no option than to know the writing and reading thing.
If our people were fortunate to have been with the civilized world first the Ifá oracle would have been in written forms like the Bible and Qur'an thereby leading adherents to reading and writing skills.

PoliteActivist:
You are not an idiot, so stop pretending to be one. Clearly, the author of Revelations was talking about adding to or subtracting from HIS book, not any other book, or any other thing. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with God sending or not sending prophets. Not only that, Revelations was not part of the Bible for centuries and was never fully accepted as part of the bible.

Who is the Author of the Bible from Genesis to Revelations? 2Timothy 3:16; 2Peter 1:21

You're just a mumu!

PoliteActivist:
Seems those JW doctrine setters have you so confused you simply refuse to understand even the obvious.
Someone wrote a scroll/book and said no one should add to or subtract from HIS BOOK! How anyone can possibly extrapolate that to mean God can no longer send prophets beats me!
Did he say no one else can write another book? NO?
He was simply placing a curse on anyone that doctors what he wrote to mean something else.
Has absolutely nothing to do with God sending prophets. Geez!

Search through the scriptures if God ever said so apart from the last book of His word!

Prophets don't necessarily means people who will tell you what is new rather it means those telling you what God said.
So if you're reading God's word (Bible) quoting John 3:16 that makes you a prophet because that's what God said but most people don't know therefore you echoing it makes you a prophet of God..

The only difference between the first century Jewish disciples and we today is that all what they were saying was directly inspired in order to complete God's word {1Corinthians 13:8-10} but after the Bible has been completely there's no more inspired expression so we must all adhere to what is written in the Bible for teaching , reproof , setting matters straight, disciplining in righteousness for Christianity to be one unique family {2Timothy 3:16-17} that's why Paul said only LOVE for God will remain to unite believers no more newly inspired words! 1Corinthians 13:13

Today the contradictions in Christendom is as a result of different individuals claiming they're inspired to teach new things apart from what the Bible say and Satan is the one giving them signs of what will happen in their locality for gullible people like you to become their followers! Revelations 16:14

MightySparrow:
Tbe OP is talking about miscalculation of dates and prediction of Jesus return. Only Jehovah witnesses claims that after the failure of their prediction, that claim Jesus return in 1914.
Please tell us more about that.

MightySparrow:
According to the OP, all interpreters including Jehovah's Witnesses are confused. The bolded portion has not categorically said that 1 day = 1000 years. All of them are confused. No exceptions.

You this idiot i've told you to stop quoting me!

PoliteActivist:
If this is not utter delusion I don't know what is. That passage was talking about adding or subtracting from the BOOK OF REVELATIONS, which almost didn't make it into the bible! Read all below carefully

You're a complete dumb!

What is the difference between Prophecies and Revelations?

Are they not what will happen?

God REVEALED what will happen concerning the time Jesus left the planet until the end of all badness and said "NO Addition NO Subtraction" yet you're still expecting Him to REVEAL something to people.
So what He reveals after the book of Revelations will be called what?

Mumu! Yet you're here agitating that what those you're looking up to are saying never come true!

PoliteActivist:
How anyone can read the above and have it mean that God said He'd no longer send prophets beats me. If that's not brainwashing I don't know what is

Your thread is my witness today!

Go and find true prophets sent by God to tell you how COVID-19 or Invasion of Ukraine will go. You yourself said all the prophets around you today we're guessing yet you don't want to agree with what God's word said.

If God said "NO Addition and NO Subtraction" do you still expect Him to pass any message to you through prophets?

If that should happen then what will be the purpose of Bible that you're calling "God's word"

Muhammad has come and declared that he's sent by the same God to come and make some corrections and billions are following him today, how can you nullify his message if you're still expecting God to send prophets to you?

Ọmọ you only have ears but you're deaf spiritually speaking!

EnvyandHate:
Go do some fighting spiritually if you want the crowns of King David.

Jesus has already been crowned in heaven with his corulers that's why what he taught is working globally in the gathering of faithful people to the most distant part of the earth {Act 1:8} this is what JEHOVAH told Jesus as prophesied by King David himself:

Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Jehovah will extend the scepter of your power out of Zion, saying: “Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.” Your people will offer themselves willingly on the day of your military force. In splendid holiness, from the womb of the dawn, You have your company of young men just like dewdrops. Jehovah has sworn an oath, and he will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever In the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek!” Jehovah will be at your right hand; He will crush kings on the day of his anger! Psalms 110:1-5

Do you notice that David referred to the Christ (Messiah) as "my Lord" ?

Jehovah asked the highly elevated Jesus to sit at his right hand and later gave him the order: "go subduing in the midst of your enemies"

This means that by the time Messiah began his rule in heaven the inhabitants of the earth will notice that an unseen supernatural being is gathering people throughout the earth under one umbrella {Matthew 13:30} despite the hatred people will have for his group {John 15:19} love will reign among them! John 13:34-35

So i'm not one of Jesus' anointed brothers that will reign as kings and priests with him but i've been trained by them to defend this truth that's why you're helpless!


As for the cheap blackmail you're reading on the internet, some children in advance countries don't want to live as Jehovah's Witnesses so their unbelieving relatives are the ones instigating them to say all those things since there is provisions under their laws over there for others to take over the custody of abused children. So many children who don't want to be Jehovah's Witnesses are seizing the opportunity to leave their parents.
But if you truly care go and find out what has become of many that have left their witnesses families today and see for yourself if they're in anyway compared to obedient and law-abiding children raised in the homes of Jehovah's Witnesses. That's why i asked you if any has been found in your own locality because i know that your people have the right to spank their own children if any misbehaves unlike the Western World where children can't be disciplined by their own parents!

EnvyandHate:
You have your own fighting to do.

So do you know a child in your own locality that has been abused by Jehovah's Witnesses?

Guy that's what the enemies of pure worship will tell you to make you feel you've something to hold onto! Matthew 5:11-12

There are millions of children around the world that's attending our meetings and in one place after another and most parents do send their children to follow us to our meetings. In fact the Russians president Vladimir Putin gave the award of the best Russian family to Jehovah's Witnesses!

So if you're banking on that cheap blackmail it really shows the level of your IQ!

EnvyandHate:
If you want to be Israel then go ahead yet you are aware what it means?

Jacob fought with an angel, was it physical or in a spiritual sense?

Of course God's people are still fighting today with Satan {Ephesians 6:11} but not against flesh and blood {Ephesians 6:12} and our SWORD is God's word {Ephesians 6:17} in this fight we don't kill humans rather we defeat the devil by rescuing souls from his deception that's why Jesus commanded us to LOVE both enemies {Matthew 5:44} neighbours {Mark 12:31} and fellow believers! John 13:34-35

The wars fought by God's people in ancient times is due to the fact that those enemies of God were thinking it was all a coincidence that is why the true God asked Israelites (the nation representing Him at that time) to stand in positions so enemies of pure worship may know that these are God's own worshipers otherwise JEHOVAH can fight His own battle without the support of any human {Zechariah 4:6 compare to 2kings 19:35} this is what JEHOVAH said when He wanted to rescue His people from Egypt:

" JEHOVAH himself will fight for you, and you will keep silent.” Exodus 14:14

So never think it's all about fighting and killing people NO it's about the center of pure worship. God was fighting to procure the Temple and David's city (JERUSALEM) whatever has made your ancestors lost that place it simply means the true God is no longer with you people! Matthew 23:37-38

Today JEHOVAH has chosen another nation it's the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses that name was hidden from all false religionists on this planet until the year 1931 when the true God began calling His people by that name! Isaiah 65:15

From Abel till today that's the name God gave all His worshipers {Hebrews 11:4-12:1} Jesus is the firstborn of Jehovah's Witnesses on planet earth that's why the Bible book of Revelations called him the faithful WITNESS! Revelations 1:5

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are conquering from city to city as Jesus Christ is leading us into the conquest {Revelations 6:1-2} but as for all false religions you people will continue to kill one another from place to place! Revelations 6:3-4

Our own WEAPON is the Bible (God's word) {Ephesians 6:17 compare to Hebrews 4:12} that's the SWORD that all Jehovah's Witnesses have and we've mastered it's use {Luke 22:36} not the physical weapons you're using to kill people whereas your people can't keep the so called "promise land"

My guy JEHOVAH really loves you that's why you're hearing this today but you can choose either to keep it or trash it just as your faithless and murderous ancestors did before killing Jesus of Nazareth!

Aemmyjah:
It was written ij the Bible thag Ethiopian Eunuch saw Jesus See hkw ignorant people can be They lay out foolish accusations against JWsWhen they see what they cant prove ij the Bible, they ask a personal question Everyone knows there was nk record of that man seeing Jesus as the Bible tells us everything that happened right from his journey from Jerusalem When they csnt prove it cos they are blind, they ask me foolish questions whether Ethiopian Eunuch told me he did not see Jesus... No, he told my cat

Emusan is EMPTY, he has nothing tangible to say he's just happy exchanging words with Jehovah's Witnesses. As long as you're responding to the faithless miscreant he will continue typing anything just to talk back!

Dtruthspeaker:
We all know it and we do not give citatiions of things people already know eg like saying Ganduje took bribe as cited by Channels television.So, if you have any reasonable query to his post drop it and let us see.

Sorry i have NO BUSINESS with you!

efficiencie:
The West nations have become Sodom and Egypt and they are now the champions of these abominations. Desolation is headed their way.

To fully understand that phrase:

"ABOMINATION THAT CAUSES DESOLATION"

You need to quote it out from the scriptures and consider it in line with the context not just the phrase without citing where it's written in the scriptures.

Daniel 9:27; 11:31; 12:11
Matthew 24:15
Mark 13:14

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses if you want me to discuss the topic with you let me know.

May you have PEACE!

Sorry if my comments has brought bitterness but that's the TRUTH, i am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
May you have PEACE!

EnvyandHate:
MaxInDHouse
If the Kingdom of God has been given unto you as you claim. Then let the people know your father's tribe?

If each person talks about his father's tribe that's NEPOTISM not pure worship it simply means each person will stick to the religion his own father handed over to them so what happens to the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4

Guy this conversation is over go and worship your man-made tradition i'm a new born child of God's Kingdom under the rulership of Christ {John 1:11-12} and Jesus has become the father of all those adopted into that lineage that's why he is called the "EVERLASTING FATHER" {Isaiah} of all those born into the household of FAITH not some faithless bloodline of KILLERS!

So stop thinking about the bloodline thats not based of FAITH in the promises of God!

Aemmyjah:
The highlighted is what Baba Darwin transformed him into

He's always on the forum and just as their so called "professors" he's only puffed up with pride arguing here and there without agreeing with anyone on standard. Titus 3:9

Aemmyjah:
I don't mind him. Claiming to know scriptures

He knew Jehovah's Witnesses are loaded with understanding but since we're not for interfaith we can't acknowledge him as one of us so he always like to engage us in arguments not to learn but to exchange hurtful words.
That's why i shunned him completely!

Before i leave your thread there's something you need to know about TRUTH.

Satan is the one behind all the confusion that's making people to kill people {Revelations 6:3-4} and he uses lies to promote his opinion among unbelievers that's why Jesus said about Satan's human agents:

"You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie" John 8:44

Note the highlighted in red so that you can gain insight!

The promised Messiah is supposed to be Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} so if your religion or tradition fails to make peace reign among it's adherents know that you've been brainwashed with Satan's lies. 2Corinthians 4:4
That's why your people keeps telling you false stories about their conquest here and there how they were KILLING PEOPLE as if the true God is with them yet they lost Jerusalem the city where God established the royal lineage of King David of Judah.

The REAL Jesus never got married so if they're telling you any story about children born to Jesus know now that you've been SCAMMED!

If anyone is truly following the real Jesus he or she should belong to the global family of peace loving worshipers that was formed through the coming together of faithful individuals from all nations of the earth {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} according to that prophecy they will erase the making, buying, selling and usage of destructive devices (weapons) they will divert their resources into production of food and information materials, they will not enrol for military campaign for any reason neither will they learn war anymore because the true God has given them the heart to love {1John 4:7-8} both for their enemies {Matthew 5:44} for their neighbours {Mark 12:31} and for their fellow believers! John 13:34-35.

There is no religion or tradition that can make this happen that's how to distinguish between truth (light) and falsehood (darkness)

EnvyandHate:
Until the Whiteman sail to West Africa your ancestors knew no Jesus..There is no black Jesus.

That's because the privilege of being God's people has been taken away from Israel {Matthew 21:43} the authority has been given to whoever believes in Jesus of Nazareth {John 1:11-12} so unbelieving Israelites have nothing to preach or teach anyone so they just have to keep their man-made tradition to themselves! Matthew 15:3

Aemmyjah:
Ethiopian Eunuch saw Jesus?

He must see his own Jesus otherwise nothing for that Jesus o!

EnvyandHate:
I am talking about the historical Yeshua Ben Yossef the man who became a legend and was deified at the Roman Council of Nicea as a god and king of kings. Emperor Constantine was brown skin and Emperor Charlemagne was brown skin. Our bloodline chart is clear that we go back to Yeshua Ben Yossef and Mary Magdalene. We are not Moors, we are not Africans.

Definitely you and i aren't talking about the same Jesus!

Aemmyjah:
Is it from dead fossils you'll use to show evolution? Why can't living organisms evolve into another? Besides fossil testimony don't add up

His biology taught him how bones turned into a living creature!

HarshBitterTrut:
Jesus was my direct ancestor

Are you talking about the Jesus in the Bible who never had a wife nor child?

EnvyandHate:
My family created Christianity and Frankish Catholicism is the father of all Western Christian denominations. It's like you are lecturing to a direct descendant of Odduwa about Ifa religion. Thousands of my ancestors died fighting for Christians. You know when you study the Crusades you would think most of Europe was involved in most of the fighting in the Holy land, the truth is it was the Franks the tribes of Benjamin and Judah. We did most of the fighting, most of the priesthood, most of the leadership and saints are from my ancestors. The religion your denomination Jehovah Witnesses is apart of my ancestors established. Again, what's your father's tribe?

Your ancestors are the WEEDS sown by Satan after the death of the apostles {Matthew 13:25} Jesus' true disciples never raised weapons against anyone because he condemned such act {Matthew 26:52} so your so called family of killers aren't following Jesus Christ of Nazareth who taught his own disciples to love and pray for their enemies:

Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, Matthew 5:44

“But I say to you who are listening: Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you, to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you. Luke 6:26-27

So for your family to have killed people in the name of religion and royalty it simply means you're not a Christian!

Meanwhile Jesus Christ never took the kingship you're carrying on your head seriously {John 6:15} because his kingdom has nothing to do with human participation! John 18:36

Ọmọ humble yourself and learn if truly you want to be saved!

PoliteActivist:
Where exactly in the Bible did God tell YOU he'll end prophets??

After the Bible book of Revelations which says:

 “I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll" Revelations 22:18-19

From that very day all believers must continue to echo the message "God's kingdom is at hand" any prophecy apart from what has been written is FAKE so those prophesying what isn't written in the Bible are inspired by demons! Revelations 16:14

EnvyandHate:
Because you are quoting the Bible without any authentic authority to do so.

I'm a student of the spirit brothers of Christ Jesus so if you're ready to learn i will TEACH you because the power of God's Holy Spirit has been given to Jesus' BORN AGAIN Christian brothers and they taught me! Act 4:13

That's why it's really hard for you to get a rebuttal other than trying to cover it up with your bloodline propaganda.

For your information, i am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses and this is what Jehovah foretold about us:

No weapon formed against you will have any success, And you will condemn any tongue that rises up against you in the judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, And their righteousness is from me,” declares Jehovah! Isaiah 54:17

So speak up if you have the knowledge of truth instead of banking on the bloodline that has been CURSED by Jesus of Nazareth! Matthew 21:43