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FRANCISTOWN:
Kindly educate me. What's that thing?

Now you're talking!

Individuals in different religions, geographical locations, schools of thought can achieve what they want but when it comes to congregating together what God want to achieve that others who aren't His worshipers can never ever achieve is written in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4

The true God claimed He confused the language of mankind when they don't want to do His will {Genesis 11:6-8} but since we're not there the only way He can prove He did was to make OBEDIENT mankind agree among themselves again as if they're speaking the same language! Zephaniah 3:9

Today that's what God promised to do as a sign that He is working according to plan before destroying DISOBEDIENT people.

FRANCISTOWN:
As long as you people won't stop preaching the gospoo . I won't stop preaching Atheism as well. Keep preaching your Christianity and I'll keep preaching my Atheism. At least I'm not going from one house to the other disturbing people's peace.
And I've not even started so, brace yourself.
The name God is about to lose popularity.
I used to think you were a little different. True christian indeed🤣🤣🤣🤣

So in a nutshell ọmọ you have a problem!

FRANCISTOWN:
Aeroplane was built in a church or electricity was discovered during baptism?
Lol🤣🤣🤣 funny you

There you go with your level of IQ!

Church simply means a GATHERING of people who intend to do the will of a God. That's why Satanists also have the CHURCH of SATAN.

Aeroplane or electricity was discovered by the same humans who often congregate together with others for worship.

You need to know what God want to achieve when His worshipers gather that others can't achieve within their gathering not what individuals in different gatherings have achieved!

FRANCISTOWN:
When you get among yourselves, you can discuss that. I'm referring to the Christians and their gods

Now it's obvious you really really have a big problem!

FRANCISTOWN:
I don't have any useless religionists around me. I'm an atheist. I don't go to church, I don't go to prayer meetings. I am a very busy man so, stop talking like you know me. We both don't know each other sire.

See the level of someone's IQ torí Ọlọ́run!

You don't have religionists around you yet you are always on the RELIGIOUS SECTION of the forum with numerous sections!

Ọmọ you have a big problem that you can never ever solve in your lifetime because you are always disturbed due to what others believe instead of minding your business.

You call yourself a busy man, Ọ̀DẸ̀ instead of calling yourself a busybody!

FRANCISTOWN:
Theists are the ones staying behind.
You are hung up to a God who never came on board. Show me just one proof of God and I'll shut up

Did God promise to show Himself before any unbeliever for them to shut up?

Come on the only way He always prove His existence before unbelievers is making what unbelievers like you can't achieve work out in the gathering of His worshipers.

So if you're not OK with that you're free to keep setting your own standards He will never ever yield to your demands!

FRANCISTOWN:
You won't be the one to tell us who the true christians and the untrue christians are. You can argue that amongst yourselves in your christiandom.

Continue lying to yourself!

Is Christianity about what people choose to do or what Jesus taught as practiced by his first century Jewish disciples in the Bible?

FRANCISTOWN:
You don't solve your problems by yourself?? Not everyone is irresponsible

If you're intelligent you should know that the religionists around you whose ideology keep dragging you here are your problems that you can never ever solve!

FRANCISTOWN:
Honestly speaking. There is no meaning in what you posted. And I bet anyone on this thread can attest to it that you've made no sense at all.

The post is simple . Christians prayed, and their prayers weren't answered as they have never been answered and will never be answered. We are talking A so, stop talking z

Keep deceiving yourself!

Millions of people across the globe have agreed that what the churches of Christendom are practicing isn't what Jesus taught so keep staying behind!

advocatejare:
So the founder of JW sect’s level of understanding at the time he found his sect didn’t know that it’s written in the scriptures that God hates divorce? So he didn’t know that the scriptures says that husband to love their wives before he started subjecting her to mental torture?

Guy it's not how far but how well i told you that C.T. is not the founder of true Christianity but just a partaker in the restoration of pure worship.
The point is whenever you think of righteousness members of pure worship stands taller than the rest {Matthew 5:14-16} so as at the time Russell was alive himself and his group knows best just as Jehovah's Witnesses knows best today.

The path of the righteous keeps getting brighter and no false religion can stand beside it that's why you can't mention the name of your sect because you know that they can never ever meet up with the achievements of Jehovah's Witnesses!

So instead of talking about the past ọmọ talk about the present can you talk about your own sect and how rough their past?

advocatejare:
You mean Charles Taze Russell founder Christianity? Does true Christianity teaches divorce, subjecting one’s wife to mental torture and dishing out fake prohecies like Russel?

Why are you this disturbed to the point you're running to conclusions without reading with understanding.

Jesus is the founder of Christianity so whoever comes into the foundation must know that the Christian faith doesn't allow for interfaith where different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines will claim they belong to the same faith.

Charles Taze Russell participated in the restoration of pure worship so just like John the baptist who prepared the way for Christ he is not the founder of true Christianity today.
His level of understanding determined what happened back then and you can't find any group during his time that objected to divorce so gradual understanding of the truth is what you must acknowledge! Proverbs 4:18

CJStarz:
Christians means like -Christ in attributes. Christ never married,did He? Neither did He condemn polygamy.

Because he never marry that's why the Jews asked him question regarding marriage and he made it clear to them that what happened in the beginning stands:
One man (Adam)
One woman (Eve) Matthew 19:4
Because Christianity is all about returning to the garden out of which the first human couple were driven.
That's why you can't find any Christian in the Bible who is a polygamist!

Christianity is the road to life eternal in Paradise so we must adhere to the standard God set in the garden of Eden: One Adam One Eve
Whoever is not OK with that is not fitting for life in Paradise so at death the marriages are terminated so when those who died resurrects they can start all over with the woman they had in their past life if any of them wants them back but one thing is certain there will be no room for rivalry in God's kingdom which often leads to hatred and anguish

advocatejare:
Dindinrin n din robo. True Christians indeed, so called true Christians whose founder and his wife divorced against the teaching of Christ, whose wife exposed as subjecting her to mental torture, who was notorious for giving false prophecies.

True Christians indeed! Just dey play

Bolded is your problem true Christianity is not founded by any human but humans participated in the restoration of pure worship. Can you see true Christians today celebrating birthdays? Christmas and smoking?

Well that's to show you that true Christianity has no human founder but each participator was used according to his capacity! Matthew 25:15

But one thing is sure true Christians have the same line of thought globally {John 17:22} as they continue to progress in knowledge and wisdom! Proverbs 4:18

lawani:
When you believe a book any book at all to be holy, then you are already on a wrong footing. Absolute truth does not exist. The only absolute law is be fair to others and fight evil doers

Your personal opinion!

lawani:
Just don't describe God as not liking people because of unbelief of fables, then God's name is different in different languages just like the name of every other thing is different. You can't appropriate God to any particular culture as they all have names and titles to describe that same entity

You don't want the truth!

Tyktoker:
Which bible are tithe collectors using then? The only point I don't agree with the op is saying there is no God, everything else he said is right and the truth. Your christian politicians who are telling people that ROME wasn't not built in a day , are they not richer than Italian prime minister? Christianity by tithe and offering has already destroyed Nigeria, we will never recover again. The westerners, Europeans that taught you Christianity have welfare packages for their human beings, not to pay tithe to get food, clothing, shelter, from God. They have world class hospitals where your GOs and bishops go to secretly take treatments and come back to tell you they have never taken Panadol for 60 years, and to pay tithe to have good health. We know more than those that taught us now because of corruption, greed, wickedness in the name of Christianity of tithe and offering.

You don't know anything about Christianity!

Do you know that true Christians don't pay tithes monetarily nor materially?

Do you know that true Christians don't meddle in politics at all?

Do you know that true Christians don't think of material possessions as divine blessings?

Ọmọ you need to know the real Christians jọọ!

lawani:
When talking about God, first thing is to discard holy books. God's name is different in every language but refers to the same person. I mean the closest thing to holy books are PhD thesis and such thesis are regularly discredited as knowledge is being updated. Therefore the greatest threats to civilization are holy books ie Bible and Quran. The only law of God is be fair to others, then fight evil doers. No traditional theology is wrong and it is wrong to say God is using other means to choose people as favourites

If you call people for free food after preparing sumptuous meals are you to blame when some stubborn ones are dying of hunger?

lawani:
Not benefitting from your so called eternal life is punishment and if you keep repeating it, it will continue causing division that is best done away with. Only things academically defensible should be preached as absolute truth because so many people are very impressionable and anything being constantly repeated will continue gaining ground. God should always be described as just and fair. He has no holy book.

You don't know what PUNISHMENT means!

Because if you're calling your children to come and eat only those that responded will be fed the ones ignoring your call will surely go hungry not so?

You and i haven't seen any God before so what we are discussing now has to do with deep thoughts regarding someone we haven't seen physically but then we can both figure out His attributes by reasoning on what is just.

My God explained how the earth came to be and how suffering began then He goes further to reveal His plans to restore sanity on the planet, He is sending His worshipers to go and meet people in their homes to explain to them what He is planning to do. Matthew 10:11-13; 28:19-20
Yours have nothing to do other than you must worship now you've heard about mine and His plans so what is stopping you from embracing the God whose plans makes sense to you?

It's either you support His plans now so that He will remember you when He's rewarding those that served Him during the restoration of sanity on planet earth or you stick to your God.

Presently angels are penning down the names of those preaching zealously and industriously teaching throughout the earth about the Kingdom of our God and the names of those responding to the call {Malachi 3:16} so whoever is not found in that document will die and never be remembered! Revelations 20:15

The two books i quoted above significantly are ends of two eras:
Malachi is the last book of the Old Covenant.
Revelations is the last of the New Covenant.

Both books testify that names of respondents are penned down by angels so during the time to reward those that heed the call only those whose names are found will benefit. Nobody can say that's unjust!

Busybrain2233:
Sir FRANCISTOWN said during the just concluded election, Xtians misinformed churchgoers prayed but what they are getting in return is dismal, instead of some folks to analyze what he said they are quoting and will continue to quote the bible. Can't you guys reason logically, or is the veil covering ur eyes made of steel

The answer is simple:
True Christians DON'T BELIEVE (TRUST) in man's ability to change the situation of things the Bible said:

Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation. His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish! Psalms 146:3-4

People voting and praying are trusting in what God's word warned them against?

So if your brother isn't ready to listen whose fault is that?

Jesus himself said many are calling him "Lord! Lord!!" yet they aren't practicing what he taught {Matthew 7:21-23} instead they are going after man's ideology:

(Jesus) said to them: “Isaiah aptly prophesied about you hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’ You let go of the commandment of God and cling to the tradition of men.” Mark 7:6-8

So Mr Atheist if you and your brother refuse to learn from wisdom nobody will infuse it into your brains by force!

lawani:
A God that punishes people for doing no wrong, for following their brains, is that a virtuous God?

What punishment again?

People of all kinds are dying and my God said He will remember those that are faithful to Him by resurrecting them back to life! Job 14:13-15

All you need to do is call upon your own God to reward you my own God is only FAITHFUL to those that are FAITHFUL to Him! Exodus 20:6

FRANCISTOWN:
I solve my own problems by myself

Hilarious!

(LOVE) does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. 1 Corinthians 13:5-6

The LOVE of God will help a believer to do exactly what he wants others to do for him {Matthew 7:12} so if someone is going astray LOVE should move us to REPROVE him not too lenient with such ones! 2Timothy 3:16-17

lawani:
Longer lifespan definitely possible but immortality is unlikely. For what purpose?. All things die

The Bible God created man in His own image {Genesis 1:26-28} that means Adam and His descendants supposed to be alive today we're to continue celebrating our achievements God ordered us to subdue the planet so instead of dying and passing the continuity of what we discovered.
So ọmọ do not be surprised we can live forever when Jehovah remove death completely! Isaiah 25:8 compare to Revelations 21:3-5

JEHOVAH promised to gather obedient mankind under one umbrella {Isaiah 2:2-3} they will agree among themselves to do away with hatred, weapons and wars {Isaiah 2:4} they will speak as if they're from the same tribe {Zephaniah 3:9} God promised to call them by another group name when all these things are coming to pass {Isaiah 65:15} and today a global family of peace loving worshipers has sufficed despite being imperfect like all others instead of bearing the usual common religious name "CHRISTIANS" they're known globally as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and everyone can see them doing the work Jesus commissioned in the first century and there is LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating their gathering {John 13:34-35} just as Jesus prayed for them to have the same line of thought! John 17:22

If all these are being fulfilled today ọmọ there's nothing impossible for that God to achieve! Matthew 19:26

So wait and see another fulfilment of God's word regarding His worshipers:

“Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake. Rejoice and be overjoyed, since your reward is great in the heavens, for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to you". Matthew 5:11-12

Despite the fact that only this group speaks about love for neighbours and fellow believers while others often kill not just other religionists but members of their own religion in the face of politics and racism yet Jehovah's Witnesses are been accused of being a cult! Matthew 10:25

I was born by a religiously divided home my mum a traditionalists (ifá) but after marrying dad she converted to Islam so i have access to both ifá and Islam (though i never took any of them seriously) yet even those claiming Christians carrying the Bible without loving their neighbours as Jesus commanded also call Jehovah's Witnesses "CULT" just as Jesus said they will do to his true disciples.

Everything just happened exactly as written in a book as old as 2000 years ago!

lawani:
I know that is JW teaching which does not align with the belief of the majority of Christians and Muslims. Hell of course does not exist because no just person can punish infinitely for a finite offense. I also wonder why JW would think that it can be possible for a human body to grow without ageing, fanning out, depreciating and eventually die. Everything dies.

According to scientists the cells in human body always replace themselves with new ones so that at a point in time humans can stop aging if nothing happens to our body cells but they can't just explain why we begin aging growing weaker and weaker until we expire.
Note that people lived longer before our generation and lifespan keep decreasing faster now so that people aren't expected to be healthy after 90 whereas people before do live 180-190 years.

Do you know why?

Well the Bible revealed that the first set of humans lived over 900 years! Genesis 5:5, 8, 11, 14, 20, 27

Of course you will find it really difficult to believe this but ever since mankind can't get life preserving food like what God created in Eden we have continued to grow weaker and weaker and life expectancy keep dropping till today.

So if the God who revealed to us what really happened that caused aging say:

And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of its main street. On both sides of the river were trees of life producing 12 crops of fruit, yielding their fruit each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the healing of the nations! Revelations 22:1-2

Remember what He said in the first Bible book:

“Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad. Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life and eat and live forever" Genesis 3:22

So He knows what our body needs so that we will continue to glow as youths forever {Job 33:25} without aging! Psalms 37:29

Okporiaku:
It is well known that God is an omniscient being that knows the past, present and future
But why does he still test his children when he knows the outcome. It is just like giving me a test knowing fully well that I'll score 10/10 but still proceeding to test me

God knows the past, present and future of mankind in general but when it comes to what each person can do next NO He doesn't know!

That's why He often study some people in the past very carefully before vouching for them.
Take the case of Job God confidently told Satan:
"i sabi this one wella wella no matter wetin happen he no go turn against me" Job 1:8

But regarding Abraham after studying him God said:

“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.” Genesis 22:12

Regarding Sodom and Gomorrah God said:

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it." Genesis 18:20-21

All the accusations ever levelled against faithful servants of God is coming from Satan the devil {Revelations 12:10} that's why God urges His faithful servants to prove themselves wise so as to put Satan to shame {Proverbs 27:11} so never say the true God is testing anyone because He is Holy (Purity of the highest order) He can't be tested with evil things neither does He test anyone with what is Evil! James 1:13

May you have PEACE!

FRANCISTOWN:
I'll only quote worthy comments on this thread.
Someone up there said the Bible God doesn't meddle with governmental affairs.
The Bible God has in fact meddled with every government since the days of Joseph. Thru the Bible God's favor. Joseph became a prime minister in the land of Egypt. Yet their God doesn't meddle with government? He single handedly chose leaders to rule over Isrealites. In other words, he singlehandedly put people on the political seats of Isreal. He chose Moses, Aaron, Joshua, Gideon, Eli, Samuel yet he doesn't meddle with governmental affairs?
He chose their kings beginning from Saul, to David to Solomon , e.t.c yet he doesn't meddle with government? He made Daniel a governor in Babylon yet he wasn't meddling with he affairs of governing. He doesn't rule in the affairs of man yet their bible says Seven times shall pass over you, till you know that the Most High rules in the kingdom (government, political seats, etc) of men, and gives it( kingdom, government, political seats) to whomever He chooses.? (Daniel 4:25b)
The same thing repeated in Dan 4:17
“This sentence is by the decree of the angelic watchers And the decision is a command of the holy ones, So that the living may know [without any doubt] That the Most High [God] rules over the kingdom(government, political seats) of mankind And He bestows it( kingdom, government, political seats) on whomever He desires And sets over it the humblest and lowliest of men.” Whenever their god fails to live up to his hype, they end up spewing rubbish even if it's not consistent with what is in the Bible. And again, their Jesus said they should ask him anything and he will do it. Also in Mark 11:24 Therefore I say to you, Whatever things ye desire when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them Guys! Are you seeing the conspiracy theory and deceit Christianity is not result oriented.

I will quote you as long as you're quoting the Bible without believing in our book!

YES the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob used Joseph to rescue His people during a global famine to preserve the lineage of Jacob and to use them as a means of showing Himself as the Almighty God. It was through the famine that Egypt became so rich and all tribes of the earth keep bringing whatever they had in exchange for food that's how Egypt became the first world power. And the Almighty God used the first world power to prove that He is able to rescue His people without a military force no matter how powerful their abductors.

As for Israelites Samuel objected vehemently to the idea when Israelites asked for a human king {1Samuel 8:4-8} and God told him to allow them but tell them what human Kings does to their subjects! 1Samuel 8:10-18

All that happened before Christianity was established and Christ Jesus as the world's most wonderful counselor of all time revealed to us what is behind all human government that'll continue to make them fail!

Throughout their history no human King left without giving them troubles because God never created man to rule over man {Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9} so even though the King has a good heart things will go wrong because there is an evil person who initiated human rule from the beginning {1John 5:19} he won't leave them alone without interfering {John 14:30} that's why Jesus refused to become king in his lifetime despite his perfect sense {John 6:15} he knew very well that Satan will use imperfect humans to spoil human government no matter the good plans of their leader. Luke 4:5-7

This is what true Christians have learned from Christ Jesus that's why you can't see where the Christians in Bible times participate in politics.

Brownshoe:
Am a kind of person that like mystery of life a lot, Now good or bad, it seems we suffer or enjoy the consequences of our past lives, though I might be wrong in my opinion or thought. Everyday I see good things happening to bad people and vice versa, then I will go deeply in my thoughts, this is beyond any human comphrension. Guru in the house, you can add yours.

In this world the righteous are suffering not because they lack what is good but emotionally they're down always anticipating the end of all badness.
So whether they're rich, average or poor they are sober!

In that parable Christianity is the fine seed all religions claiming they have anything to do with Christ but aren't performing like Jesus' first century Jewish disciples are the weeds.

Ordinarily when you plant seeds in a farm but failed to remove the weeds it will overshadow the seeds after sometime and the seed will be completely choked so that observers can't see the fine seed from afar unless you carefully examine the farm, that's exactly what happened to Christianity after the death of the apostles as they were sleeping in death {Matthew 13:25} but Jesus promised that during the harvest he will send out angels to uproot the weeds and bind them in bundles but the seed will gathered in his storehouse! Matthew 13:30

So true Christianity has sufficed today while false religions claiming they have something to do with Christ remain in their confused state as they can't figure out what Christ taught yet they're all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines that's why the angels bound them as different sects with different group names but God began calling His own worshipers by another group name to distinguish them out of all the religions on this planet! Isaiah 65:15

Learn the truth, Hell simply means Grave and all the dead goes there whether good or evil {Ecclesiastes 9:10} the reward of righteousness is a remembrance of them and it will result in their resurrection {Job 14:13-15} as for those that deliberately choose to be wicked they will be forgotten in their Graves! Psalms 9:17

FIRE mentioned in connection with unholy acts are parables and it symbolizes inactivity of the dead which is forever the true God detests the sight of tormenting living creatures in fire! Jeremiah 7:31

lawani:
I WOULD RATHER BURN IN HELL!
I would rather burn in hell!

FRANCISTOWN:
If there was any time in the history of Nigeria when people prayed the most, it was unarguably during the just concluded election.
I'm trying to say most people, especially christians misinformed churchgoers prayed really hard to their God to lessen the burdens of Nigerians.
Their pastors also dished out several prophecies to amuse their followers.

According to the Bible Christ Jesus taught his disciples (Christians) to pray for God's kingdom to come {Matthew 6:10} he said they're no part of this world {John 17:14} meaning they have nothing to do with this world's government other than obey whatever they ask them to do but when it comes to the struggle for change in government (including electoral process) Christians has no part to play since they knew very well that the world's condition will continue getting worse under human government which is under the control of Satan the Devil {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4} who is the wicked one ruling this system of things! 1John 5:19

So don't mix things up we never prayed for anything to get better under human government because we are 100% certain that it will continue to get worse until humans cry to God for His intervention after they've been totally disappointed in human government. Daniel 2:44

Demayour:
That's why I want people to begin to see that religions by themselves are not the problem, there is something about our mentality as a people that needs to be corrected. Else, religions will lose their adherents and we will still have the same problems. Look at all sorts of evil that people (sometimes members of a family) do to one another because of greed. Is there any religion on earth that support greed. Even scientism and athiesm doesn't support greed. Religions like tribalism, racism etc are just tools. If we know how to use them well, we prosper as a people. If not, we keep finding excuses for our stagnation.

You've said it all!