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oteneaaron:
Wow.
I'm sorry to ask this, but do you have a comprehension problem?
Or are you purposely acting this way?
Take a step back, read carefully and UNDERSTAND before typing a reply.
Have a great week ahead.

You can run but you can't hide!

https://www.nairaland.com/2936246/christianity-moral
https://www.nairaland.com/7006256/jesus-real-myth-challenge-maxindhouse
https://www.nairaland.com/7464041/pagan-christ-book-review

So go straight to what you want to say, if you're against Jesus surely you will hate his real disciples.

Meanwhile the law never compromised the idea of two witnesses because a girl may feel betrayed if the boy she's been eyeing decided to go for another girl and out of spite lie against the young man claiming she was raped after all there was no tech to discover if she's a virgin before the incident all they need to see is the blood.
Again a young woman may decide to punish her secret lover who has been sleeping with her secretly but suddenly decided to marry another girl, she may invite him for a send-off sex and seize the opportunity to indict him.

That's why two witnesses must suffice and the two must be reputable not known as dubious individuals otherwise their witness may not be considered.

So the idea of two witnesses stands.

David's own son violated (raped) his younger sister if we're to go by the law the young man must be stoned to death, did you know why the case was buried within the palace?

Well first of all both of them belongs to the same father who happens to be the king and judge so instead of going by the law he treated matter with LOVE and MERCY.
Secondly if the girls mother wants to press charges as the rapist is her rival's son who will stand as witnesses against the prince before the King (Judge)

So when Jesus said:

“Stop judging that you may not be judged; for with the judgment you are judging, you will be judged, and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you." Matthew 7:1-2

He was talking to faithful people who wants to live forever in Paradise because if they're expecting their sins to be forgiven by God they ought to forgive one another! Matthew 6:14-15

talented321:
80% of indians practice hinduism' compared to nigeria where christians and muslims are at loggerhead' so who ever lead want to favor his or her people.

It still boils down to the same thing RELIGION.

talented321:
religion also played a big role in what is happening in this country, because are our leaders are blinded with their particular religion and rule with sentiment' apart from greediness.

NO! Rather the politicians use different tools to blind their subjects.
The 2023 election in Nigeria is an example of how the politicians brainwash their people.
PGO became the people's choice because of the failure of PDP (16 years in power) and APC (8 years in power) so the politicians discovered that their former tool (religion) has failed now they quickly switched to (racism) and it worked so that most of the people supporting PGO are now divided!

talented321:
Because there are no consequences' reasons pastor deceive their members to enrich theirselves because they know they will go free unlike traditional worship where u will pay for ur vows and lies.
See in traditional religion there is always

NO deity is rigid to the core they all have what it takes to appease them in secret no matter what you did wrong or vows you make all you need is knowledge about the deity in question that's all!

Kez11:
Bros, you really want to annihilate these people... Please have mercy.

He knows where to direct his blows because he is fully aware that true Christians will easily render him silent.
But it's OK let him continue dancing around his misinformed churchgoer victims!

Demayour:
You people don't have a good grasp of the logic behind this thing but I feel narratives are always sweet if it's acceptable by a significant number od online people. Are Nigerians as religious as the Indians? Why are Indians prospering and Nigeria is suffering? If you understand the dynamics of Africans, powers and religions, maybe you will change your stand. Those religions alone don't determine what happen to us, rather we are the one determining what happens to the religions.
Or else, why do the religions say one thing and people are doing another? Yet, we blame the religions. Again, what about the traditional religions or you haven't observed that the ritualistic aspect of traditional religion (especially money ritual) is what people keep alive? We as a people need to check ourselves. Religions don't unilaterally determines our fate. We determine as fate as a people.

You are a blessing!

OJODEL10:
we needed to respond to these questions
at a point i discover it does not worth it

"Answer the stupid one according to his foolishness, So that he does not think he is wise" Proverbs 26:5

After seeing chapters of epistles coming from a self-proffesed atheist instead of arguing with him just throw a thought provoking question that will soil all his ego:

Apart from the online arguments they are throwing from their individual rooms can any atheist present a gathering or assembly of atheists where LOVE, JOY and PEACE reigns?

This question is vital because religion or faith in God is the one and only concept that can do this and mankind need LOVE, JOY and PEACE to cohabit as a family that's why mankind keep searching for God!

nnamdizen:
Religion is not the main problem of our country, are we more religious than India, or Israel?
The only true god in this materialistic country of ours is money and more money, no matter how you acquire it, you will be worshipped.
The afflictions we suffer most from in this country is Greed and lack of foresight.
Nigerians have a peculiar show off attitude and the need to be at the top among our pairs at any cost, hence we focus on faster ways to make more money rather than invest our efforts and resources in more productive ventures.

Thanks for this!
When talking about the problem facing Nigeria most deluded individuals think of religion instead of politics forgetting that religion has always been there from time immemorial, the only difference today is Western education that was imposed on our people along with their political system.
Education supposed to be on it's own Religion on it's own and Politics on it's own but when the whiteman came they diplomatically entered our people through education making us believe they're better then override our religion and political system.
Most countries doing well today aren't speaking foreign languages rather they use their mother tongue to teach their children everything making it difficult for the West to override their religion and politics but come to Africa even our traditional Kings must speak the whiteman's language in our own gathering before we can respect them.
So the same people have discovered that their old trick isn't working anymore now they're introducing ATHEISM to our children making them feel the problem is from God whereas it's the political system they imposed on our people that's no longer working even in their own countries their people are protesting against their political system.

oteneaaron:
Jesus denounced fanatical adherence to the law at the sacrifice of higher principles of love and mercy.

Gbam!
Attacking the source of divine guidance from the one and only wonderful counselor himself Jesus Christ the only begotten son of God.
Thanks for admitting that Jehovah's Witnesses are following Jesus not the law!

Emusan:
That's why I can boldly confront your lie and stand for the truth just as early Apostles

Ok oo

reubenobi:
you are a hypocrite.

One noisemaker added!

Aemmyjah:
I see a collabo between a mad apostate and a purposeless atheist (only one to acknowledge his life has no meaning)

Aemmyjah:
Good morning Brother Maximus
How are things?
How's family?
How's ministry?
How's your congregation?
See as country wan turn upside
Here, I'm just busy with academic research and presentations and had to stay off the forums
But I thank Jehovah, he's helping us get rooted in these hard times make wind no blow us away

May Jehovah's loving kindness be with you my brother.
Your friend (oteneaaron) and his cohorts are very thirsty so they're begging for droplets from us but it's a pity i'm not going to attend to them let them go and do whatever they like to any JW found wanting.

The seed didn't fall on the good soil in their case {Matthew 13:3-9} Christ always make sure that the Good News reach all people but the attitude of many towards the Good News will determine how strong their faith will be!

Emusan:
Like I always say you don't need to tell me.
I quoted Bible not a man made doctrine.
And the truth is no JWs has ever experienced that from CT Russell down

Ṣebí you have had the experience hen go and make use of that nah!

Emusan:
Allow Bible to speak for itself Oga Ade
Even after quoting your very own translation
Here it is again "Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. In turn, whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will clearly show myself to him.” John 14:21 NWT
You don't pay attention whenever you read scripture but only focus on what watchtowers infused in your brain.
Jesus didn't say "US" in that passage but INDIVIDUAL.
Also, you can deny it or give it any meaning you want but it's written in a plain English.
That passage isn't about His Presence but PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION.
Your translation but it this way "...and will clearly show myself to him.” John 14:21 NWT
You're not wiser than Jesus if Jesus wants to talk about His Presence he'd have use that word instead of deceiving us with SHOW.
I don't need to ascertain because Jesus didn't say people will ascertain it but the "INDIVIDUAL WILL"
Jesus knows another can say yes to it and Jesus didn't ask anyone to verify that but that's not the point the point is, has Jesus revealed/shown Himself to you since you claimed you obey and love Him?

No wahala if Jesus has physically appeared to you go and continue doing what he told you!

Intolerance is deeply rooted in the hearts of all imperfect humans but a little support from from peers will excavate it making it manifest.

Jesus of Nazareth is the world's most wonderful counselor who came to teach us how to suppress the intolerance in us he taught his disciples how to approach their neighbours tactfully to discuss about the differences in the way we reason.

Ordinarily when people complain or gossip about the way someone lives his or her life intolerance is the root cause so whether your neighbour is a chain smoker, drunkard, fornicator, adulterer, idolater, homosexual, lesbian, atheist, agnostic, traditionalist, witch, transgender or any other all we need to do is pay the person a friendly visit or greeting and start a conversation to know WHY.

But when we keep it to ourselves false religion will push us to join others who are feeling irritated and attack them whereas we never gave them the opportunity to express their feelings perhaps we can be of help to them.

That's what makes Jesus of Nazareth the world's most wonderful counselor of all time! Isaiah 9:6

Minsk24:
Whatever spirit beings are, there would definitely be a way to keep them in check with the right technology

These are highly intelligent beings that knows a million times about technology than humans could ever imagine not to talk of knowing!

whippersnapper:
The bible is sure full of contradictions. From the trinity hoax, Accept islam now that it is not late.

When talking about God in general there is contradictions everywhere so don't deceive yourself the only way to know the truth about God is the performance of His worshipers not the arguments they put up.

First of all you need to study the Bible not just ask any question you feel simply because you read the book.
For your information what that passage is saying is that since creation Moses is the first human who spoke with the angel representing God one on one, others only heard voices of God.
When the Holy Spirit began revealing sacred secrets to Born Again Christians just as Jesus promised {John 16:12-13} it was revealed that Moses never saw God the way he felt he did:

"No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him" John 1:18

From the above verse it's clear that Moses did not really see God face to face as thought.

Emusan:
Jesus didn't talk about sign...
I guess you have another meaning/your own interpretation for the word REVEAL
This is Jesus OWN statement maybe Jesus lied according to JWs.
And this is how your own translation put it "Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. In turn, whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will clearly show myself to him.” John 14:21 NWT

What Jesus meant here is not PHYSICAL but grasping his presence and activities.
For instance when Jesus said:

"And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:20b

It's not that we will see him physically working with us but we can perceive his presence when everything he said about his activities is happening in our midst just as he said then we are sure that it's not by our wisdom that we are doing God's will but someone is with us! Matthew 18:20

Do you know how to ascertain it when Jesus has revealed himself to someone?

Anybody can say "YES" to your question but we need to know how verify!

Minsk24:
Lol just dy play, anything is possible with technology... look how far humans have come since the rise of the European powers...
Anything is possible, it will only Take innovation and getting the right raw materials to fuel new technology... As long as we can keep wars at bay and ensure global stability, anything is possible

Well it's obvious you don't know what spirit beings means so let's leave it at that.

Minsk24:
Lol, what do u mean by spirit beings? It is only spirit because sensors have not been developed to detect their presence...with improved technology, its possible to find a way to shoot...but if its facing God, a specie from a far more advanced civilization, we don't stand a chance

You really amuse me walahi talahi humans can only think of weapons to harm what is visible to them but spirit beings that could move faster than the speed of lightening? Ọmọ mankind can never ever develop any weapon to do that in ten billion years from now!

Minsk24:
Well, if there's mass genocide of people who oppose God, it will make it way easier for him to control the planet... I wonder what kind of weapon will be used to initiate such massive destruction... So sad for the Asians, that area will be wiped away...

Nobody knows the weapon God will use to exterminate all His opposers but one thing is sure He has control over the gasses within our atmosphere so He can change the gasses flowing into each person's nostrils within the twinkling of an eye so that only His faithful worshipers will have oxygen while others will have the deadliest of gasses, remember how He made fire to burn in a bush of green leaves without harming the plants and how He made the fire Nebuchadnezzar set to become like air-conditioner for Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego yet it was the same fire that killed those body guards that threw them there.
So the Creator knows how to kill one person while the one next to him is safe!

vannessa7:
You know what you are doing, anything to cause division and strife in Yoruba land, the Quran clearly said christians are worshipping God although with errors, it says any Muslim who does not believe in Jesus and the Bible is not a Muslim, note I did not say apostle Paul,
Pity your soul and stop all this nonsense, remember the day when you will give account of all you did on earth.

Where you lack wisdom and critical thinking skills is assuming everyone must adhere to the rules of the god of your choice!
The Bible or Qur'an is about Gods of your own personal choice so when you dedicate your life to any of these Gods it's PERSONAL not to be enforced on your neighbour whose view about God differs.
So stop using what is written in your books to judge what people choose to do with their lives, you can speak tactfully with them about it and when anyone agrees with you such one becomes your brother in the faith but if not he or she should be viewed as a neighbour not an enemy simply because of what your book say.

I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses that's what Christ Jesus taught us, no matter who you are or what you are whether prostitute, fornicator, homosexual, lesbian, adulterer, idolater, witch, atheist, agnostic, drunkard , smoker and so on you remain a neighbour having the right to be part of the human society.
It's the Kingdom of our God and that of Christ that will not accommodate you not this system of things so as long as this system persists we must treat everyone as neighbours!

Do FIRST CENTURY CHRISTIANS sing to dance at their meetings?
We should know that the Old Covenant and the New Covenant are two different forms of worship that's totally incompatible that's why Israelites till today finds it really difficult to accept Christ and his disciples as worshipers of their God.
Of course when the first Covenant was established the Israelites were dancing with great rejoicing so they sang and danced with vigor, in fact for David to shift the Ark of the old covenant from one place to another he had to dance like no man's business before the Ark of God. But in Christianity there's no time for dancing at Christian meetings the little time they had to congregate together is to plan for spiritual activities which Christ Jesus commanded them! Matthew 28:19-20

So when they come together for merriments or partying dancing is appropriate {Ecclesiastes 3:1} but not when they gather to deliberate on what Jesus asked them to do in their neighbourhood which is preaching and teaching about God's kingdom. When we go out into the field ministry people are groaning due to the hard conditions human governments are putting them through {Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9} that's not the time to dance and when we're at Christian meetings sharing our experiences of what is happening to people in this system of things singing and dancing doesn't come to mind! Ecclesiastes 3:4

Kumuyi is right in one side when he said dancing at Christian meetings makes no sense but that doesn't mean Christians are sadists surely we do have time for merriments when we enjoy lots of secular music with different dancing steps! John 2:1-2

MightySparrow:
Hahaha. .
Not once, not twice.....
My Papa is using my money to buy jet.
You elder is using your fortune to booze ( Toni Morris) and pay court fines for lewdness.
My Papa has church also in US nah.

It's a lie but since you choose to believe it that's your cup of coffee.
Before claiming that Jesus taught his disciples to betray themselves it's not just what Judas Iscariot did once and regretted it badly rather it should be what is happening in congregation everywhere. Your Papa is a Nigerian so it's here that his greed could be clearly seen i have heard lots of things about sects whose branches are far away from Africa but it's when such is happening in my neighbourhood that i can say confidently that it's their way of doing things but as for news that's coming from afar i can never ever use that to quantify a group that i know in my territory to be good people.

By the time God comes with His heavenly armies billions of people will no longer wake up the next day {Psalms 37 :9-11; 91:7} throughout the night an angel will move globally taking away the breathe of all unbelievers overnight! Exodus 12:29; 2Kings 19:35

Humans builds destructive weapons that can only affect physical things not spirit beings so when God is coming with his heavenly armies only His faithful worshipers can see Him! 2Kings 6:15-17

vannessa7:
So you think God is now liberal, He doesn't mind if you worship His creatures instead of Him anymore? You have another thinking coming. You are quoting Quran that you don't know, worshipping idols will bring down the anger of God and cause under development and all evil.

Nigeria belongs to no specific God that's why the constitution isn't that of any God so don't think your God must determine how people live their lives or the religion of their choice!

funshint:
This is not just a religious affair; this is an attack on Yoruba as a whole. This troublesome cleric must be called to order by the Police

Don't make it a tribal thing according to the Nigerian constitution there is freedom of speech, expression, worship and association.
So anyone infringing on the right of others to practice the religion of their choice must be brought to book.

Mikel99:
Of course you need to have seen me before. What I am asking you is how can they see Hitler , Gandhi in the midst of billions but not Muhammad. Infact, what proof do you have that those people know how they look like before they saw them in hell?

Did they say they saw them in the midst of BILLIONS?

Mikel99:
What proof do you have that they have seen them before?

Pictures of all these people are accessible on the internet.

Mikel99:
Do you believe in hell?

Why changing the subject?

Please people can only RECOGNIZE someone they have seen before!

Mikel99:
So you think you need pictures to identify someone in hell. If they can find Hitler and Stalin in the midst of billions, how can they not find him?

If i claim to see you in oshodi it means i must have seen you before to recognize your face nah!

jaephoenix:
...and he pops up and spews an entire pile of trash, just like I predicted. A mountain of evidence is looking at you. Witnesses, confessions, court indictments, many years of news coverage. You didn't even bother to investigate whether they are true or not.
Why are you always predictable?
This JW virus has gotten in too deep

jaephoenix:
Are you saying our dear MadMax is a whole ass headbanger?