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After quoting me TWICE!

EMILO2STAY:
you can stop quoting me now! pls

EMILO2STAY:
you can stop quoting me now pls

“All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean" Matthew 7:12

tundein18:
If Jesus Christ is lord then how are there multiple lords in Christ?

There are many fake Gods worshiped on this planet so after the true God used the Bible to introduce Himself all those fake Gods started transforming themselves as the God of the Bible {2Corinthians 11:14} so if you're really observant and intelligent you will discover that there are different religions all claiming they're for Christ but when you carefully examine them you will see that they reflect one ancient religion that people in that location worshiped before the Bible got there!

Take for instance in Western Nigeria alone there was a God called "Ṣànpọ̀nná" this God was known by it's worshipers as the God of vengeance who always kill offenders by fire so the worshipers often call on Ṣànpọ̀nná to kill their enemies. But today instead of calling this God by the original name they're calling on Jesus to kill their enemies by fire whereas Jesus told his own disciples to pray for their enemies! Luke 6:28

Again there's another God known here as the God of child birth according to the adherents this God always give barren women children but today worshipers of this God are calling on Jesus to come and give them children whereas Jesus supported his disciples who aren't married not to talk of bearing children because according to him they will be more focused on doing what is good instead of thinking of how to accumulate everything to give their children! Matthew 19:12

Again there were magicians before the Bible came to Africa but today where are our magicians? Well they're performing their tricks in worship centers in Jesus name {Matthew 7:21-23} then instead of their audience to appreciate them with whatever they have for the entertainment this magicians are demanding ten percent of the earnings of their audience calling it TITHES in Jesus name whereas Jesus cursed Israelites who were collecting tithes from their own people! Matthew 23:23

So if you want to know the truth don't just conclude on what people around you are doing make a thorough research! 1Thessalonians 5:21

Thanks!

tundein18:
Why was there no church in west Africa until Europeans got there then?

The Bible wasn't written by Europeans!

It's like blaming Ṣàngó for the evil done by some Cameroonians claiming worshipers of Sàngó.

The Bible was written by Israelites (Asia minor) the fact that Europeans first discovered that book doesn't make it their own neither does the religion originate with them!

tundein18:
There was no church in west Africa before slavery

This mindset is wrong!
White politicians came to Africa, connived with black politicians for slave trade doesn't define any religion. Remember that it's blacks doing business with whites when talking about slave trade the whites didn't just come into people's houses to drag them away rather it's blacks who often kidnap their own people and sell them to the whites.
So please remove that from your lenses to see clearly!
Faith in God has no business with slavery, if you want to blame the white man's God what about the black man's God after all both whites and blacks were into the trade!

tundein18:
so there was no god until then is what you’re saying

Of course people in all the continents believe in the existence of supernaturals (Gods) which means Gods exist but which of all these Gods is the Creator of heaven and earth?
That's what makes the Bible God comes to mind because with His book (Bible) the most important questions about faith in God has been answered!

All humans met their ancestors worshiping one God or another so these questions should be answered!

How did they come in contact with God?
Why did God approach our ancestors?
What has God done for them before?
What plans did God has for the future?
How has God been supportive in making such good plans/prospect a reality?

Only the Bible God addressed these that's why intelligent people believe that all other Gods are FAKE!

EMILO2STAY:
you dont make reaonable arguments. your arguments lead to nothing. and its void plus empty.

I don't argue at all i TEACH!

Jesus prayed for all his disciples to think alike when it comes to principle {John 17:22} you ignored that and accepted all religions claiming they're Christians simply because they claim they believe in God and Jesus {Matthew 7:21-23} but Muslims who also claim they believe in both God and Jesus you're condemning that's inconsistency on your part. It's either you figure out which one out of thousands of sects claiming they believe in God and Jesus to prove your point or welcome all including Muslims!

EMILO2STAY:
no need to reply your post again, its a waste of time.

That's what you should have done when i said muslims can't be ruled out as long as you acknowledge countless sects claiming they believe in God and Jesus just as Muslims do!

Editing my post can't save your face sonmvayina so you can use MindHacker9009 account if you want but the case of Jesus Christ of Nazareth no Jew in Jerusalem can say he never existed they can only say they don't believe he is the Messiah which means they have to wait for another Messiah who will lead them as in teach them how to forgo their pride and arrogance {Luke 17:10} accept people from other nations as God's children {Mark 12:31} and make them love the God of Abraham through the love they show to everyone including those that hate them! Matthew 5:43-48

Failure to do so Jesus of Nazareth remain the one and only bonafide Jew worthy of being called the Messiah!

Emusan:
Muslims don't believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth
Proof me wrong

Of course they claim they believe in Jesus just like all others claiming they believe in Jesus with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.
The only group that believe in Jesus must have the same attitude as Jesus who said:

"I am the way, the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me" John 14:6

So if you can't find any group saying the same thing but welcoming different religions all in the name of Jesus ọmọ you can't prove Muslims wrong because they also claim they believe in God and Jesus just like all those sects claiming Christians!

Emusan:
That's not the point!
So you agree now that God used Russell

That's why he's different from Kumuyi!
If God use a person for a change it's either you accept the change and continue walking with God or remain as an unbeliever.
Kumuyi left his former church not because God used him to introduce anything he just want to start his own business that's why he can't say all those he met are wrong.
Charles Taze Russell received a message from God that's why all those that refused to follow him can't meet up with the performance of the group that listened to him!

Emusan:
They don't?
You can prove my wrong..

Are you asking or answering?

Emusan:
But this is not what happened in Revelation to the seven churches. Or it's not true God who did that?

A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John! Revelations 1:1

So God always use one person to reveal secrets! Hebrews 1:1-2

Emusan:
No! Not him. You're the one who says "Those"
Are you not believing in Jesus Christ again?

Do Muslims believe in Jesus?

NNTR:
Correctly put, it's compulsory for both the speaker and audience to be BELIEVERS before the audience can start benefiting from quotes of Christ

There's no one who is not a believer at least you must believe in yourself before you can continue living without committing suicide.

So everyone is a believer but in what do they believe?

That's why CHRISTIANITY is compulsory because without preachers (sent out by Christ) to preach and teach {Matthew 28:18-20} you can't know Jesus {Romans 10:13-14} not to talk of what Jesus taught!

When politics is involved that's the time to pick on what people does!

Chief Ọbáfẹ́mi Awólọ́wọ̀ entered the mosque in Ìlọrin (Kwara State) during dedication of that mosque (with his shoes on) after the ceremony some political Muslims picked on that to incite the voters against him so his attention was called to what happened that very day.

What was Awólọ́wọ̀'s reply?
He said the King of Mecca was at the same venue that day and he also entered without removing his footwear so if a highly respected Muslim like the King of Mecca should enter without his footwear why picking on his own who doesn't even know the rules of the religion?

So in a nutshell Awólọ́wọ̀ was looking at the King of Mecca as the model but does the King of Mecca needs the votes of anyone to continue being the King of Mecca?

Certainly not, so it's because Awólọ́wọ̀ needs their votes that's why he was accused!

NNTR:
What Jesus taught

Now what if the person you're quoting this for don't know or acknowledge Jesus?

The first step is to acknowledge Jesus before quoting what Jesus said can make any sense, if you're quoting Jesus for someone who doesn't trust in the reasoning of others how do you expect this to work?

Ọmọ it's compulsory for both the speaker and audience to be CHRISTIANS before you can start quoting Christ!

NNTR:
Its one thing, knowing those verses, and its another thing, adopt the practice, values and lessons in those verses
Any person or group of persons that assist, give aid, render assistance, give a helping hand et cetera without prejudice against another persons or group of other person, nicely would fit the bill

Now this is where you missed it all!

Because what Jesus taught there must be emphasized among those BELIEVING in him so if someone is not associating with them how do you expect such one to make it his aim and objective in life?

It's like saying what the constitution of a country says but most citizens don't agree with the parliament so how do you expect this people to PRACTICE what the laws says when they don't even agree with the parliament?

That's why it's compulsory to be a CHRISTIAN you can't emphasize what CHRIST taught in the presence of those who don't believe (trust) in his teachings!

Emusan:
You're the one doing the merging not me.

EMILO2STAY is one merging thousands of sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines together simply because they claim they believe in God and Jesus yet condemning the Muslims who also believe in God and Jesus!

I said:

"present any group of people having this so called PRACTICES"

Everyone reading the Bible knows these verses so instead of rewriting it just present the group that's PRACTICING it!

NNTR:
Luke 10:30-35
30Jesus replied,
“A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he encountered robbers,
who stripped him of his clothes [and belongings], beat him,
and went their way [unconcerned], leaving him half dead.
31Now by coincidence a priest was going down that road,
and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32Likewise a Levite also came down to the place
and saw him, and passed by on the other side [of the road].
33But a Samaritan (foreigner), who was traveling, came upon him;
and when he saw him, he was deeply moved with compassion [for him],
34and went to him and bandaged up his wounds, pouring oil and wine on them [to sooth and disinfect the injuries];
and he put him on his own pack-animal, and brought him to an inn and took care of him.
35On the next day he took out two denarii (two days’ wages) and gave them to the innkeeper,
and said, ‘Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, I will repay you when I return.’

Without asking, if JW or not, if Muslim or not, if Atheist or not, if Christian or not, if a believer or not, before rendering help, relief, assistance or support in times of hardship and distress, just as seen in above narrative, it will be such human being and/or group of people having those sort of virtues and PRACTICES that God approves of

Ordinarily, the Jews and Samaritans hate each other, as in, they dont get along, yet see how Samaritan literally did a Matthew 5:41, go an extra mile for a sworn enemy (i.e. did it out of compassion)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Emusan:
So you mean SDA rejected the light Russell brought to them
Please provide where he did.
"He discovered" how do you know this?
Were you with him?
Will Jesus correct them or not? Why do you boycott this question?
Anyway, I know to answer that will put an end to this issue

This is why you need to STUDY God's word not just reading it!

Russell is just a human like anyone else but if the true God wants to correct something that's how He always do, for Russell to have written an outline saying Jesus is the lamb of God which is the sacrifice for mankind's sin is evidence that it's not just him but God's Holy Spirit speaking through him. Matthew 16:17

Where are the SDA members today?
Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously preaching and industriously teaching from house to house and door to door {Matthew 10:11-13} just as Jesus Christ commanded! Matthew 28:18-20

That's confirmation that what Russell found that day is really backed by God's Holy Spirit! Act 1:8

Emusan:
Accept your analogy failed first.
The God Jews worship is the same God Jesus came from. But I can see how you keep dodging my questions. Will Jesus correct them or not?

Of course it's the same God Jews worship in the temple that Jesus also worshiped that's what he confirmed before a Samaritan woman at Jacob's well:

"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews". John 4:22

But the light of truth came {Proverbs 4:18} and the Jews rejected it {John 3:19} so from that moment all Judaists has become unbelievers that's why John the baptist told his own disciples to follow Jesus! John 1:35-39

So when Russell discovered that the SDA will not accept the light of truth that Jesus is the lamb of God who was sacrificed to take away our sin he left that church because from that moment the SDA is no longer good for a true believer!

NNTR:
While biblical faith is about a holy and spiritual conviction, religion that God approves of, is about PRACTICES with reference to the influence of the sacred

Can you present any group of people having this so called PRACTICES?

Emusan:
Failed analogy!
The Jews don't believe in Jesus and never copy anything from the New Testament.
Or do they?

I'm not referring to the Jews but to Jesus and his disciples who found the scriptures in the hands of Judaist.
Are you saying Jesus and his disciples are still worshipping the same God with those Jews since they (Jesus and his disciples) inherited the scriptures from Judaists?

Emusan:
You can't speak for only JWs because JWs is also PART of your "THOSE" who claims to believe in Jesus.

If you want to prove that Muslims aren't getting things right then you can't merge over 41,000 different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines then using them as one against another group claiming they believe in God and Jesus.

Jehovah's Witnesses stands out of all those claiming they believe in God and Jesus so their doctrine could be scrutinized to find out if they're doing God's will but merging thousands of sects as one whereas they're not teaching the same thing against another is deceitful!

Emusan:
So do you have same doctrines with those who claims to believe in Jesus? That means Muslim and JWs are on the same page!

That's why i speak for only JWs because only the JWs doctrine is pure!

Emusan:
If Russell is not worshiping the same God with them why did he retain some of their doctrines?

The Jews today don't believe in Jesus Christ yet they carry the Torah (commandments of the old covenant) on their heads.

So are you saying Jesus and his disciples are still worshipping the same God with those faithless people since himself and his disciples still keep the scriptures found with the Jews?

Russell left because those people rejected the vital part of faith in Christ Jesus which is his death to save mankind so whatever they knew about the scriptures is not their doing it's what is written in the scriptures!

MessiahOfAfrica:
I want to know The Opinion of MAXINDHOUSE on this.

@MessiahOfAfrica i think i'm done with sonmvayina (MindHacker9009) if any religion wants to prove they're worshipping the God of Abraham they should be the one taking the message everywhere and not followers of Jesus who is the Messiah that ordered his disciples to do so. Matthew 28:18-20

They've been CURSED {Luke 11:23} they've lost their land {Matthew 21:43} and Jerusalem they can't claim as their center of worship anymore! Matthew 23:37-38

I rest my case!

EMILO2STAY:
you are just grasping at straws. making childish argument

If all those claiming they believe in Jesus can't come up with the same DOCTRINE {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} then don't condemn Muslims after all they also claim they believe in God and Jesus!

tundein18:
I think Yoruba have a different God

I'm not disputing that but please ask them the following questions:

How did they come in contact with this God?
Why did this God approach their ancestors?
What has this God done for them before?
What plans does this God has for the future?
How has this God been supportive in making such good plans/prospect a reality?

If there's no reasonable answer to these questions then give it to the Bible God He made Himself clear by answering all these in His word Bible!

Emusan:
The repercussion was boldly stated by Jesus Himself. You're the one going with that man made doctrine of not worshiping the true God.

If they're not having the same line of thought then they're not worshipping the same God!

I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. John 17:23

Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 1 Corinthians 1:10

earnestly endeavoring to maintain the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. Ephesians 4:3

So once Russell left the SDA he's no longer a worshiper of their God, Kumuyi leaving his former church is wrong if he's still claiming the same God they worship.

That's why Jehovah's Witnesses will never ever pray or worship with any other religionists if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses having the same line of thought with us:

"because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me. I make request concerning them; I make request, not concerning the world, John 17:8-9

So for Kumuyi to have left his former religion and still claiming he's worshiping the same God with them is a deceit!

MindHacker9009:
@MaxInDHouse
It was a FAKE Jew you converted to your J.W. If you had spoken to a real Jew you would have been the one converting to Judaism.

Ọmọ use your brain nah!

I am born in Western Nigeria in West Africa so what business do i have with someone from America claiming he's a Jew if not because Jesus commanded me to go and speak about him? Matthew 28:19-20

If a Jew wants to convert me he should be the one coming to speak with me and not the other way around. So if no Jew has ever spoken to me or my parents please in what way are they fulfilling what Isaiah said @49:6?

Ọmọ Jesus of Nazareth is the key to their salvation so whoever reject Jesus of Nazareth is doomed that's why they're not progressing with their idolatry claiming they're worshipers of the God of Abraham!

MindHacker9009:
Isaiah 49:6 "I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth"

OK, so you're now quoting the book that's lost and can not be retrieved, Shey?
So when will this happen?
Because Jesus of Nazareth is the one and only Jewish prophet who said:

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:19-20

That's why Jews can't preach or teach their faith anywhere unless you carry yourself to meet them and you can't think of that if not for the Bible that has reached you in which you found out great things the God of Abraham has done in the past.

So in what way are Jews fulfilling the scripture found in Isaiah's words?
If they're not preaching how can they fulfil what Isaiah said?

Ọmọ that scripture is referring to the role of the Messiah and that's exactly what Jesus of Nazareth did. According to what God told Moses the Messiah (Jesus Christ) will be a prophet like Moses who was a God and prophet at the same time {Exodus 7:1} so all the Israelites must follow his counsel otherwise they will be condemned by their God! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

So when Isaiah is prophesying he was referring to the role Christ Jesus is coming to fulfil {Isaiah 9:6-7} it's because the Israelites rejected Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah that's why God condemned that nation so that they're nowhere to be found as a nation on the surface of the earth instead they have been scattered just as Jesus Christ of Nazareth CURSED them:

"Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters" Luke 11:23

Sorry my friend a Christian who believes in Jesus of Nazareth worths a million faithless Jew that aren't willing to accept Jesus that's why i will always beat you and any other Jew you bring here to dispute tẹ case of Jesus of Nazareth:

No weapon formed against you will have any success, And you will condemn any tongue that rises up against you in the judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, And their righteousness is from me,” declares Jehovah! Isaiah 54:17

So go back and meet those teaching you tell them that a Christian is here on Nairaland who is whipping you with strokes because of Jesus Christ the Chief Cornerstone those faithless miscreants claiming Jews rejected!

Prove to me how those people claiming Jews are fulfilling what Isaiah said if they're not preaching from house to house and door to door the way Jesus commanded let's see what they've achieved without the book published by believers Jesus of Nazareth called Bible!

Emusan:
And you couldn't point out the lie. So, did Jesus deny them worshiping the same God or not?
If you're there, won't you claim that yours is in the only one worshiping the true God? The point is, Jesus never claimed they're not worshiping the true God or instruct anyone else to go and form a new body. So, if Jesus actually spoke to Russell during his time He'll only use him(Russell) to condemn maybe one or two of their doctrines not to claim they're not worshiping the true God. That was not the point of Jesus Letters in Revelation and the fact that Jesus could correct His churches at that early stage shows it's not about ONE LINE OF THOUGHT but upholding the truth. So back to Russell and Kumuyi, both are Christians or they are not. You can't eat your cake and also have it

So after all what Jesus wrote to them if they failed to have the same line of thought they're still worshipping the same God, shey?