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Aemmyjah:
Mented atheists know the concept of freewill but they don't understand why or who gave us cos they are blind They want to live by instincts

The sacred secret is that God didn't make us that way so humans can live on instinct we must be taught how to do things that why we learn everyday and when we gain knowledge we exhibit what we have in us just like the one who made us in his own image! Genesis 1:26+28

Aemmyjah:
All the forms of worship ever practiced in African soil came from the whitemen

They want to break free from colonization and who is teaching them how to break free?
The same people colonizing them!

Does that shows intelligence on their part?

Aemmyjah:
The person that brought the concept of Evolution is a blackman?
They won't follow the ones that came from blacks like Rasfaritarian or traditional worship... They say white man... Darwin na African?

They want to condemn something but that's the same thing they're still doing!
The concept of God has been there from time immemorial it's mode of worship and rules that has changed but the idea of a supreme being is everywhere.
Now what they're getting wrong is that it's the same whiteman that's rubbishing the concept that's still teaching them how to use their brains!

Maynmann:
Mofo thinks everyone is obsessed with likes like him.

Continue to encourage yourself.

It's freewill that gives birth to laws animals lives on instinct meaning their lives has been programmed that's why no animal thinks of improvement in their lifestyles, their food, abode, sex life and everything about them will always remain the same unlike humans who have choices.
So it's difference in choices that gives birth to laws not the other way around!

Mumu encouraging himself using one account to like his comment in another account!

Aemmyjah:
See mumu
Before the Whiteman came, there was no worship in Africa?

Because they're misinformed and frustrated they want to wrap it all up in their ignorance {Psalm 10:4} how can a black man say whiteman brought the concept of God to Africa?
The fact that people change from one religion to another doesn't mean they never believe in the existence of God before nah!

bobestman:
Hehehe just negodu a blindman attending a dead church judging others. Go and break the chains JW used to tie your brain first before you can see well

You always say the truth has not been revealed so why not wait until the truth is revealed before people start breaking free from falsehood?
If you can't present a living church then your argument that what people are practicing is wrong makes no practical sense!

emmaaolufemi:
Truth is always bitter. Pastor Kumuyi is one of the Pastors in the world who preaches the complete truth and bible.

The title PASTOR attached to people's names in the public is wrong according to Christ Jesus that's part of the things we no longer do after the death of Charles Taze Russell so for Kumuyi to continue going about with religious title instead of limiting it to the congregation is unchristian! Matthew 23:8-9

Emusan:
You've started.
No! He was born as SDA and grow up to become key member, if he was searching for true worship, God would have called him out before then. Rather he had misunderstanding with the SDA people and he left. It's you people who is changing the narrative.

Well you're wrong completely!
His parents were Catholics until his mother's death, his two brothers also died remaining only Charles and his father, the Catholics told him and his dad that God wanted angels in heaven that's why God called his mother and little brothers, from that moment Charles started having doubts with the Catholic Church.
It's his quest for Bible understanding that made him follow his father to newly formed group called SDA today and because that group disagreed with the idea that Jesus died for mankind's sin he left the SDA.

Emusan:
In Revelation, Jesus wrote letters to seven churches and highlights their errors and told them to amend their ways. Why didn't Jesus instruct someone to start new church?
So Jesus could have just use Russell to write a letter to the SDA if they are not actually in path of righteousness. Or do you think Jesus will just abandoned people who are using His name wrongly without correction even when many members will be true to their worship?
The same reason Russell pull out of SDA and started his own without God's backing is the reason there are many denominations in Christ body today.

Churches in Asia means geographical locations and seven congregations not what you have today where Kumuyi started his own right in the same location that there is C.A.C., The Apostolic Church, Methodist Church, Apostolic Faith and many more NO the churches Jesus sent words to are in different geographical locations you can confirm by reading it again you will find out that they're not in the same community!

hashtagged:
He also said love your enemies and pray for them. If we love only those who do us good how are we different from the task collectors and sinners. We should love our enemies to show we are children of God who makes the sun shine and the rain fall on both the good and wicked

Agreed but without accurate knowledge of truth that command is difficult that's why most people claiming Christians found it stupid!

Emusan:
And Kumuyi has that quality too.

Your questions are unlimited but can i ask just one?

Russell first of all search for a religion teaching the truth but couldn't find any that's why he left SDA so why did Kumuyi start another group if churches like Apostolic Faith, C.A.C, The Apostolic Church, Methodist Church and many more that you often defend are all groups practicing Christianity?

Thanks in advance!

Emusan:
Do you have it?
That's nice! Which means, Kumuyi is also in the part of righteousness.
So are you now Christ to have known those who belong to this group?

It's about people who tolerate no rivalry for pure worship it's about faithful people who are interested in the one and only religion practicing pure worship. Even if they're worshipers of Sàngó presently as long as they want to prove that they have the only true religion such ones are Jehovah's sheep that must be found.

Emusan:
But you just said in the above that those on the right path doesn't need to be a Christian, so why must they belong to group of people practicing Christianity?

Kumuyi met different religions claiming Christians and he couldn't find anything wrong with them till today he still recognize them as Christians so he's not a Christian for starting another one.

Emusan:
Till he died Russell acknowledge many doctrines of SDA, why did he leave?

SDA didn't believe in the ransom sacrifice of Christ to them it sounds like human sacrifice so they don't believe that Jesus died to save us.

Emusan:
But not direct instructions from God.

The path of righteousness is a gradual thing {Proverbs 4:18} the sign is that those on this path always believe in one God one organization.

Emusan:
NO! God revealed Himself to them and the disciples Jesus called them by Himself. No research was done.

Jesus called many but they failed to make research that's why majority of those he called left him later! John 6:66

Emusan:
Stop the lies! They are not in fact, many are unlearned. This is not a research statement but affirmation of their convictions in Christ.
There's a saying that says "Seeing is believing" those disciples have actually saw and experienced what Jesus is capable of not through research.

So what happened to those that left and never came back if not that this ones made thorough research? Jesus himself confirmed that these ones have come to know that he is truly from God after thorough research on the scriptures and what Jesus is doing.
Remember they once asked him "why did the Scribes say 'Elijah must come first?'" {Matthew 17:10} that's a sign that they're still studying him despite all his miraculous works they knew the scriptures say God will send Elijah first before the Christ so if Jesus is the Christ then how come they're now seeing Elijah after seeing Jesus? Matthew 17:3
He started a new religion which you know and history does too. Russell CLAIMED he knew exactly what he believed and the Holy Spirit guided him to that effect, so if not what Russell believed by then believe today by his followers then there's a problem somewhere.[/quote]God's Holy Spirit reveals information to God's servants gradually {Proverbs 4:18} that's why Jesus said there are informations his disciples can't bear at some point in time {John 16:12-13} so the Apostles that died before Jesus gave Apostle John the book of Revelations knew nothing about all those information yet they're part of his ruling team!

Emusan:
Which means, Holy Spirit of God was not with him and never knew him or today's JWs has deviated from the truth revealed to him by the Holy Spirit. God can't inspired error or confusion.

Naaaaa it's what each generation can bear that God's Holy Spirit reveals so the error is in the hands of the recipients not God's Holy Spirit!

Emusan:
When will you be truthful to yourself for once.
Russell never once claimed to be doing research but ACTUALLY CLAIMED he was guided by God's Holy Spirit. If Russell hadn't involved God's Holy Spirit and claimed he's just doing research, nobody will take him serious but alas he connect most of his message to the direction of God's Holy Spirit.

That's what we later found out about him Sir he was making research and progressing.



1. Can you list few mistake JWs have made so far and the corrections?

2. When God is involved not amendment or erred if not people won't believe in Him. So whatever amendment and error found in JWs, it's their own statement and error not God



You have to include the @underlined part

No wonder you can't support it with any Bible passage.



But you said there was no TRUE CHRISTIAN during Russell time so how come Russell heard about Christ from non Christian?



Jesus had already told His disciples what they should be expecting and they patiently wait for it. So they didn't do any research.

Stop the lies.



Very well
But Russell died worshiping Jesus and celebrating Christmas.



So it doesn't necessarily means you must belong to any group before you discovered something about Jesus.



Give the Bible verse where Jesus says He'll start gathering people in 1914.

Also, were you there or who was with Jesus when the gathering started in 1914?



Jesus statement to His disciples after they saw a man using Jesus name was "leave him alone, as long as he is not against us" Mark 9:39

But Russell has millions of dollars to his name and you believe he's ruling with Jesus.



As long as you didn't change to your usual mode [/quote]

Aemmyjah:
See this mumu
So you have the original old Testament?

He said NOBODY has it today yet he claims those people claiming Jews are practicing true religion!

Emusan:
But he died not being a Christian. And Kumuyi was also on the path of righteousness.

This is where wisdom comes in!
Jehovah's Witnesses is not limited to Christianity many lived and died seeking the path of righteousness yet they're not Christians. So Christ recognized them because they're hungry and thirsty for truth not human philosophies! Matthew 5:6
Kumuyi is not on that path otherwise he would have joined one out of the religions he couldn't disprove if truly they're practicing Christianity. Today Kumuyi acknowledges many religions including the ones he met before starting his own so why did he split if those groups are practicing Christianity?

Emusan:
It was just research and not directly from Jesus or God. So the research is self employed.
Early apostles aren't on research but follow God's instructions as given to them directly from God Himself.

Jehovah's Witnesses are always researchers in truth and righteousness, check all worshipers of God in the Bible they're always asking questions to be sure of pure worship so Jesus' disciples were researchers that's why they asked Jesus after thoroughly observing him:
"Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life. We have believed and have come to know that you are the Holy One of God.” John 6:68-69
If they weren't researchers they can't discover what others failed to realize about Jesus!

Emusan:
He did! Stop lying on what is not hidden to anyone.

If he started a new religion then how come it's not what he knew back then that we're doing today? It's because he was making research on pure worship that's why we are making more and more amendments each time we find out where he erred if he's the founder nobody can lay anything new on his foundation!

Emusan:
Russell borrowed many ideas from SDA especially 1914 claim. So not research solely based on Bible but self employed work from man-made point reason a doctrine of 1914 has no biblical link.

1914 is solidly based on scriptural research if you want to know ask Jehovah's Witnesses to show you how we arrived at 1914!

Emusan:
So someone has not to be a follower of Christ before being part of those who rule with Him.
All these lied is just to praise Russell while condemning another.

Russell believes the little he heard about Jesus and continued learning to know more just like Jesus' first century Jews disciples that's why he prayed for them! John 17:8-9

Emusan:
I repeat Russell didn't Ake any amendments, he died worshiping Jesus and celebrating Christmas. I asked again what amendment did he make?

Did you know what amendments means?
Well it's about what you discovered that you're not aware before so Jesus cherish such ones!

Emusan:
If that is the only amendment, do you realise many denominations don't subscribe to the doctrine of Hell Fire as well? So will they be part of those who will rule with Christ?

After 1914 Jesus began gathering his people under one umbrella so if anyone fails to know this he or she can't be part of those to rule with Christ. Remember the Jews man also acknowledged Jesus as Lord but instead of joining Jesus' group he love riches, prominence and fame more so can such ones rule with Christ? Luke 18:18-23

Emusan:
Do you even want to deny you haven't rained insults on me on this forum? Of course I don't but stop parading yourself as if you don't start insults on people. My point is cleared stay on the subject matter. You're not Jesus so stop the comparison.If you insults people because Jesus cursed some people then you take the same insults when directed at you since Jesus did same.

Let's leave that for now and continue with our interesting discussion!

Without accurate knowledge of truth you can't love or pray for those wanting to destroy you.

So we need to know the truth first then Jesus' command to love and pray for our enemies will make practical sense to us!

For instance in response to the quest for the first commandment Jesus said:

“The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these." Mark 12:29-31

To the Jews listening that day only fellow Jew are neighbours but Jesus told them that a Samaritan can prove to be a loving neighbour too! Luke 10:29-37

Now this really got on the nerves of those Jews because Samaritans always support any nation that's coming to attack the Jews so they felt Jesus is using an unpalatable comparison by making it seems as if Samaritans are good people. Yet both Jews and Samaritans are all Israelites!

Emusan:
That means Russell isn't a true Christian since there's no one in his time!
That's the point I want.

Of course he's on the path of righteousness! He was a learner just like Jesus' first century followers who were ready to learn so instead of sticking to man-made doctrines himself and his friends were making research to discover true Christianity that's why they kept making amendments unlike others who just swallow the laid down doctrines of Hellfire!

Emusan:
But Russell started it so he's not a true Christian!

NO! He didn't start anything because what Himself and his fellow researchers were doing was found WRITTEN in Jesus' word so how can he be the founder?

Emusan:
But Russell who isn't a true Christian is part of people ruling with Jesus

Being part of those who will rule with Christ in heaven has to do with only those who are ready to make amendments {John 3:5-6} so if Russell and his fellow researchers were humble like children to admit their errors and make amendments the man from Nazareth said they are qualified to rule with him! Matthew 18:4

Emusan:
Yet he died worshiping Jesus as God and celebrating Christmas. So which amendment did he make before he died?

At least he discovered that there is nothing called Hellfire in God's will!

Emusan:
You've started your lies!
Show me where I insulted you but I can show you many insults you've raise on people.
So continue to answer my questions before changing to your usual mode.

Why not reciprocate the way i'm dealing with you?
You have no business with the way i dealt with others since you don't know what transpired before. So stick to the way i'm dealing with you not how i dealt with those you don't even know what they did to me.
Remember Jesus CURSED some people yet he commanded us to bless those who curse us so do you think it's proper to start cursing Jesus since he also cursed some people or it's wiser to find out what really happened that led to the incident?

Please can anyone explain the contradictions below?

MindHacker9009:
Judaism is the only true religion God passed down to the Jews.

MindHacker9009:
the Jewish Old Testament which we don't even have the original today

If the original writing is lost where is the proof that the religion those people claiming Jews are practicing today is correct?
What makes you think those claiming JEWS today are even in anyway related to the real descendants of Jacob?

If he's a Christian there's no way he won't find one for a wife in the midst of his brethren so he himself is not a Christian!

Surely you are not a Christian yourself because if you're one what happens to the congregation you fellowship with?
Are there none in there?

Aemmyjah:
Don't mind him
He just follow mummy to church and did not understand anything
Where he had doubts, he did nothing
From his posts, he wrongly attributed the start of Christianity to the Europeans

Ọmọ some people are totally dumb walahi talahi!

So because Europeans came here with copies of the book therefore those Europeans are practicing what is written in the book!

Aemmyjah:
Which other religion do not acknowledge themselves as slaves to a higher authority?
He thinks the slaves mentioned in the Bible has the negative connotation we use today
A slave could be your house boy, house maid, your driver, your accountant... Anyone working under you is a slave so to speak. Even Revelation chapter 1 addresses Jesus as slave of God. The Bible also asks Christians to slave for God... Even ancient and modern Jews acknowledge they are slave for God
Jesus is our Lord and Saviour, he has authority over the congregation and his yoke is kindly. Let him not tell how the negative impact of our 'slavery' to Christ and compare to what the Jews are facing today... Yeye Jew wey de play

He's looking for a comfortable zone where he can start his blind unfruitful arguments so if you go into the matter of slavery he will dodge the main point of the discussion: pure worship

So let him prove that everything found in that book from Genesis to Malachi was not created by the JEWS after all both the New and Old are nothing but books written by people.

He didn't know that intelligent people will ask him what is the assurance he has that all the other books about:
Creation:
Noah's Ark:
Abraham:
Moses:
David:
Elijah:
and the rest weren't fabrications by humans?

If there's nothing to show as fulfilment of prophecies written in that book then everything could be termed as FABRICATIONS!

Aemmyjah:
See someone that says he's a Christian
Very unstable
Like a piece of paper on the ocean
I see where your confusion came from
You could not study the Bible for yourself but only followed the crowd

When dealing with atheists and agnostics they are the easiest to silence because they don't know what they want to argue about yet they're the most aggressive argumentators.

If they don't really know the indepth meaning of "CHRISTIANITY" what convinced them that their tag "ATHEISTS" carries the meaning they're giving to it?

Before he always follow me from thread to thread quoting me for arguments now he is running away knowing fully well that i won't play his card with him rather i will change the game after all there is no rules about how the discussion about faith should be.

One thing i have made clear here he was never a follower of that man who commanded his disciples to go preaching zealously and industriously teaching from house to house so he can't say he once practice Christianity!

MindHacker9009:
You are to fear your invented Jesus Christ like slaves fear their earthly master. Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Now you can see that you're just beating about the bush you have nothing tangible to say in defense of your Judaism.

I ask you again:

Apart from the stories written in books about the activities of supernaturals (which all other nations also have their versions) is there proof that those people claiming Jews are worshipers of the Creator of heaven and earth today?

This is what the Creator of heaven and earth said about His worshipers during the end time:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

This is the one and only proof of authenticity the Creator gave us so no matter what any religion is called as long as they're not able to fulfil this prophecy they are worshipers of demons.

Today the world has a global group fulfilling this prophecy and it's what Jesus of Nazareth taught them that they are using so if anyone told you that Jesus was invented the activities of his witnesses in the midst of this crooked generation throughout the earth can't be trashed! Act 1:8

MindHacker9009:
Here is a Jewish community in the USA with over a hundred thousand Jews living peacfully together. It's like their own country inside the USA.

Chai!
See the level of your IQ!

Which religion do you think if allowed to live in just the same community they will not have peace when they all have the same line of thought?
Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Traditionalists even Atheists and Agnostics will do the same if allowed to live in the same community.

What the true God foretold about the end time is that faithful people from all the nations will come to agreement and they will live peacefully not in the same community but they will be known throughout the earth everywhere they are that they're lovers of peace and none of them will lift up weapons against anyone!

Ọmọ go and read Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3

Those JEWS are deceiving themselves they can never ever fulfil that prophecy because it's the Messiah that will counsel them on how to go about it {Isaiah 9:6} so if they reject Jesus of Nazareth there is no way they can meet up with God's will!

MindHacker9009:
Judaism is the only true religion God passed down to the Jews.

Apart from stories they're telling you what is the evidence these people have?

makaveli902:
Would they have stopped Christians from holding a crusade?

That's the power of majority, if the majority welcome it they can't do such from the look of things she belongs to the minority religion and even the churches will be glad that such a thing is kicked out though they're not the one doing the talking!

bionixs:
Last time i checked , kwara was Yoruba land. Should gAMBARI not be an hausa name , issuing threats in another man's land ?

According to history the highlighted is WRONG!

The land has been conquered by the fulanis so they have upper hand than those claiming Yoruba there.

Workch:
I was a Christian for 27 years

Were you preaching zealously and industriously teaching from house to house and door to door in your neighbourhood? Matthew 10:11-13
Were you baptised as a preacher in your neighbourhood? Matthew 28:19-20
Do you preach about love for neighbours that surpasses nationalism and racism? Mark 12:31
Do you see people from other countries who also believe in Jesus as your most important families {Matthew 12:46-50} just as Jesus Christ commanded his disciples to have love among themselves? John 13:34-35

If your answers to all these questions is "NO" then you were never a Christian but one of the world's misinformed religionists claiming Christians due to ignorance!

Aemmyjah:
He's desperately needs your attention na
Be your brother's neighbor keeper

Just as Jesus himself said:

Eyes they have but they can't see and ears they have but can't understand {Matthew 13:15} abeg what evidence do those claiming JEWS have today if not just STORY STORY STORY?

Jesus of Nazareth never said it's stories about him or miracles that will serve as evidence of his historicity rather he said to his disciples:

"But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

So what will be the living proof that a man called Jesus of Nazareth once walked this planet?

It's the achievement of his disciples as they're able to make disciples from all the earth this peace-makers and lovers of peace will serve as evidence that their ruler who is the prince of peace is the world's most wonderful counselor of all times! Isaiah 9:6

Because there will be tens of thousands of different religions all claiming they're worshipers of the true God but they will all fail woefully to make peace reign among them just as God's prophets Isaiah and Micah foretold about God's worshipers in the last days:

"In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So by the time people start to observe the love and peace permeating the gathering of Jesus' true disciples {John 13:34-35} they will be forced to ask

"who is teaching this people how to make the IMPOSSIBLE work fine in their midst?" Mark 10:27

Then is the time to talk about Jesus our great teacher and all the wonderful works he performed to assure us that God is backing his teachings so if we put it to practice it will work and produce a good fruitage! Matthew 7:16-18

I wonder what those claiming JEWS today have as evidence of God's backing apart from STORY STORY STORY!

highoctane:
Sure👌
Request for a Bible study from Jehovah's witnesses who might knock at your door next.
Or Head to hub.jw.org
Click Online Bible study

Hmmmm Jehovah's sheep on Nairaland again!

You're welcome highoctane, i am Maximus one of your brothers on this forum!

MindHacker9009:
If people had camera phones during the time of your invented Jesus Christ and were making vodeos and posting on youtube, do you think people today will be shouting the name of the invented Jesus Christ and the FAKE second coming?

Even if videos of Jesus are available now it doesn't make him the Messiah the evidence of his messiahship is what his students are able to achieve using his teachings!

If after all the stories and miracles there is no global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4}} then there can't be anyone to claim he is the Prince of peace! Isaiah 9:6

MindHacker9009:
So to you all videos are film making! See what the the Roman empire has turned people to from their invented Jesus Christ.

Does your videos have anything to teach us about the prophecy revealed to Isaiah and Micah regarding what practicers of pure worship will be doing in the last days? Isaiah 2:2-4 ; Micah 4:1-3

If it's just about STORY STORY STORY ọmọ there are millions of interesting epic movies only that they're of no practical benefits to humanity!