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tctrills:
I advise you to abandon your God who would destroy your child for no reason if the child does not live old enough to discover him. Your God really has no love for you. And he does not deserve your respect.

Funny nepotist!

Go and force your opinion on Jesus who said only those who have the same line of thought with him are his real families! Matthew 12:46-50

Do you think Jesus didn't love his mother and brothers?

When Jesus talked about sheep and goat he was talking in parables so it's the same thing he did when talking about children.

“I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children" Matthew 11:25

Please who are those Jesus is referring to in the above quote, humble and teachable adults or literal children? Matthew 15:26 compare to 1John 2:1; 3:18; 5:21

tctrills:
When he asked us to be like children, he was literally referring to children as we know them.

Just humbly request a free home Bible study and we will teach you what is written in our book (Bible)

There are three categories of people:
The RIGHTEOUS
The UNRIGHTEOUS
The WICKED

Righteous are faithful servants of God in ancient times who knew God and proved to be righteous from His standpoint!

Unrighteous are people who don't know the true God but lived their lives by conscience so God will remember them for making use of their God's given conscience!

Wicked are people who don't care about what they do so even when they know it's evil they will continue as they render their conscience dead!

So the first and second categories are the ones Jesus is talking about regarding resurrection but as for the third category they've been forgotten forever! Psalms 9:17

tctrills:
So you are wrong and Jesus Christ is right the evil would also be resurrected.

The problem most people have on this topic is the way they think which totally negates God's thinking! Isaiah 55:8-9
Nobody will like to hear that his or her little baby is God's enemy but it's a pity that's the scriptural truth. From God's own viewpoint all of us are from the dust and as descendants of Adam we're all as good as dead {Romans 5:12} that's why Jesus referred to all those who aren't following him as DEAD {Luke 9:60} that's exactly God's viewpoint regarding all humans {1Corinthians 2:16} whether old, young or babies all humans are like dust before God.

So what makes the difference?

Remember that after Adam has been cursed with his wife the record of their children's acts started when they began showing love for God that's to show how God views all babies, there names can't enter into God's memory book until they build a relationship with God. Malachi 3:16

Since God is nobody's family He has no business with babies whose parents are pagans, as for those who have faith in God they must start inculcating in the hearts of their children once these babies are able to talk {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} so it's the little acts these babies display that will be recorded as a remembrance for them if anything should kill them untimely not that they will automatically be declared righteous simply because they're babies. That's why Jesus rebuked his disciples who thought babies can't be thought what Jesus is teaching {Mark 10:13-14} but until they are able to learn God's word they remain His enemies because if they should die without being able to build a relationship with Him there's nothing to record about them for their resurrection!

tctrills:
I am already enjoying this topic but before I put up any argument, let me learn from you.
So if a faithful JW family loses a 3 months baby, clearly, the baby knows nothing about God, is that baby an enemy of God?

Such a baby hasn't built a personality that we can remember so it will be a stranger in God's Kingdom, we can have another baby we don't need the one that hasn't build any relationship with us nah!

tctrills:
Also, you keep talking about people who died in the days of Noah, Sodom and Gomorrah, and so on, are you saying that no JW member has ever lost his life to a flood or natural disaster, or war? If they have, then how are these examples relevant? How are they different from the people of the days of Noah?

Whether death due to oldage, sickness or accident it still boils down to the punishment of Adamic sin so there's going to be a resurrection of faithful people but as for the wicked (those God destroyed in His anger) they have been forgotten for good! Psalms 9:17

tctrills:
Lastly, you agree that the condition for us to enter the Kingdom of Heaven is to make ourselves teachable like little children yet you believe that these same little children do not qualify for Heaven. Explain yourself. I want you to explain yourself clearly before I take you into the scripture. So boss lets have it.

When Jesus used illustration of sheep and goat do you conclude that all literal sheep will be in God's Kingdom while all literal goats will be destroyed?
Ọmọ Jesus used children to illustrate the act of being humble and teachable not that all literal babies are sinless jọọ!

bobestman:
You are always twisting and ignorant. If those babies die without having knowledge of sin. And you also know we will all give account on the last day. All will be judged according to their works. What works or sins will they use to condemn this babies who have no knowledge of sin? It is only when you know what sin is and do it, that it is counted as sin. You can't be judged when you commited no sin - murder, lie, adultery etc. Babies have no knowledge of all that. That is why they can't be called sinners. You may read bible from cover to cover but if you don't have knowledge, you can't understand. Your pastor is wrong. You are wrong too. Accept it or go to court.

Chai! See how foolish thinking of misinformed Churchgoers are!

So you think people will queue to start giving account of what they did in their past life?

All you need to do is ask for the meaning of what you're reading in God's word, nobody is going to say anything regarding their past life it simply means during Christ's thousand years reign each survivor will be opportuned to prove his or her love for God without distraction.

As for judgment many as in most people have been judged already {John 3:18} so they're never ever coming back to life again! Psalms 9:17

So since those babies die as sinners and they're not able to make it to decide there's no reason bringing them back to life because billions have proved to be faithful. All are from the dust and they've all returned to the dust {Ecclesiastes 12:7} whether babies or adult they are all sinners {Psalms 51:5} sentenced to death! Romans 3:23; 5:12; 6:23

You looks really young on Instagram but with this ọmọ you're older in wisdom walahi talahi!

Aemmyjah:
Yours is even worse
What has a change in spelling or pronunciation of names (due to language) got to do with Jesus Christ existence?
I am Emmanuel, I can't go to Spain or France and expect that it is spelt or pronounced that way.
Mention one name in the bible that it's spelling and pronunciation is same everywhere
The images you see of Jesus Christ does not accurately depict what he look like
There is no image or picture of anyone that lived 2000 years ago, so Jesus is not the first
If Jesus were painted black, you will still complain

Wow!

Aemmyjah:
You're not making sense
If, for example, Jesus were alive today and a Bible writer wrote about him and mentioned the names of notable persons that were ruling e.g, Buhari and Sanwoolu and where they ruled and the dates they ruled and some important events that happened during their rulership
Then 2000 years later, people say Jesus did not exists but secular Nigerian historians wrote about Jesus Christ and his activity, there are also coins and stones that were found to show that Buhari and Sanwoolu existed at a particular time period and some important things happened, corroborating what the Bible writers wrote, only a ignorant fool will still go ahead to doubt it.
Nobody claims that Confucius (who lived in earth long before Jesus came) existed, nobody says that prophet Muhammed did not exist yet it is Jesus they WISH and want to believe did not exists yet he is now the most influential figure of all time down to our day and even his words have become the key to most of the rights we enjoy today.
Pilate, Lysanias, Herod Agrippa, Gamaliel, Caiaphas, Caeser, and the First Roman registration (census) @ all historically proven including how criminals were punished yet you want to be blind. I wonder how people reason even in this 21st century and it's a pity they claim to be wise when they are very foolish

Aemmyjah:
What proof do you have that Jesus does not exist? Even secular historian made mention of Jesus and his disciples work. Same historian made mention of Caeser and Pilate.

They are atheists seeking gullible religionists to make their proselytes in athiesm. They are far more zealous preachers than churchgoers but they keep disguising as if they're not out to make disciples in atheism.

That's why Jesus sent us out in search the LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL {Matthew 10:6} if they're not sheep there's no need wasting our precious time with them! Matthew 7:6

Energy has come because Max responded to the idiot.
Guy face front i'm not interested in chatting with mad people!

tctrills:
Yes we all would die and we all commit sin yet Jesus Christ stated that the children would inherit the kingdom of Heaven. So for a common man to declare them enemies of God, that man is a false teacher. Enemies of God do not inherit his kingdom.

You missed the import of Jesus' comment!

Children who knew nothing about God's Kingdom aren't inheriting God's Kingdom they will be destroyed along with their disobedient parents the same way they were destroyed in the days of Noah, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho and Amalek. Luke 17:26-27
Jesus' illustration is about people who makes themselves teachable like children {Matthew 11:25} not literal children whose salvation largely depends on circumstances, if they're not old enough to make the right choice they will be destroyed along with their parents but if they have chosen the path of life then they will be saved just like Noah's daughters in law, Lots daughters and Rahab in Jericho!

achorladey:
Now he wants to compare himself with Jesus Christ when he accuse others of refusing what he called truth here. They are not real disciples of Jesus Christ but Satan and demons
Shey you go apply this your intelligence

Jesus believe in the same line of thought {John 17:22} so all his disciples have the same line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10

Only JWs have the same believe but if you know another group strictly following this pattern tell the forum!

Answer her: what is the name of your church?

achorladey:





Yesterday Achorladey is an apostate, today he is an athiest, tomorrow he is mad, next tomorrow he is a demon. Achorladey is also a faithless miscreants.

When all the above someone, somewhere addressed you by those tags, the next thing you MaxInDHouse will jump into is it shows you are a real and true disciples of Jesus Christ

Military intelligence ti wo omi

The response I gave you regarding that name called Jehovah hit you hard.

HellVictorinho6:
LordReed, is a simple question why i deserve this? be my witness

I'm sorry for interrupting please continue your discussion with your friends i'm out!

oteneaaron:
Simple.
By becoming a baptized Jehovah's Witness and swearing allegiance to the 9 members of the Governing Body in the USA.

Exactly!

Just as the religious people in Jesus' days said he refuse the word of God!

brocab:
Who are you trying to convince: "St Max" If there is any truth in this: people outside your organisation would agree, Funny.. If you didn't refuse the Word of God so much, we wouldn't be having this conversion.

Esortigress:
I know what I'm doing and asking for the church you attend is relevant. You denied being Kolade but my spirit keeps telling me you are the one. In all sincerity jw is the only denomination that are still practicing true christianity. Imagine brocab saying there's no where Jehovah was mentioned in the bible, maybe the adulterated bible.

Achorladey is presently an atheist!

Just go through all his posts and try to figure out any meaningful comment where he says a word about his faith in God. All he does is discouraging anyone having real faith he nightmare is JWs because this group gathers faithful people throughout the world that's why he's attacking the group.
So he wants everyone to remain in confusion as that calms his nerve making feel there's no need to worship any God since all of them are confused with contradicting teachings but for JWs to stand out and gathering faithful people he feels really bad that this group is judging him!

jaephoenix:
You choose to reply Kobo? That nigga is loonier than DTruthSpeaker and Max put together

Leave all of them and face only a JW like me they're just learning the same way as you're doing right now!

The OP raised a good topic for many like you to gain something so don't worry about those none JWs because their pastors won't tell them this truth you're hearing.

The major issue here is that most of you only think of adults as evildoers and concluded that when it comes to capital punishment only the adults supposed to be executed because you do attribute all the wicked acts committed on this planet to adults only but that's not the way God view matters {Isaiah 55:8-9} humans like me and you see matters from the surface only while God sees from the root cause.

If Adam didn't lay the foundation for rebellion most of us won't follow the evil path and if any decides to choose wickedness God will allow such a person to live for just a hundred years and die as a youth without growing old note that even at the age of 100 God views such a person as a baby {Isaiah 65:20} WHY? Because it will take us at least 1,000 years before we can know what life truly means not just 70, 80 or 100 years!

Ọmọ i have answered this question but you're still asking after i've supplied the answer!

jaephoenix:
Can I see the bible verse where they did that?

MaxInDHouse:
You dey doubt wetin a JW talk about our book?
Exodus 17:8

jaephoenix:
How?

jaephoenix:
So you mean atheists get to enjoy good health and prosperity without even uttering a word of prayer?

You're growing old by the day my friend so if you choose to remain an atheist you have gotten all your share in what God has in store for mankind but the obedient ones will be remembered for another opportunity this time to live forever without getting sick {Isaiah 33:24} growing old {Job 33:25} or dying! Isaiah 25:8

For now JEHOVAH is only feeding His worshipers with needed information about what the future holds as regards what life has to offer now everyone enjoys it! Matthew 5:45

jaephoenix:
Ummmm… How exactly does a baby do yahweh's will?

Babies are sentenced to death already so if they're fortunate to grow up and learn then they can escape that eternal damnation just as Noah was able to teach his own sons and their wives while millions of babies perished outside the Ark!

jaephoenix:
Hating on innocent babies is enough harm for me

There you go: telling you the real condition of babies should make you glad instead of picking offense. Babies do die so you may have wondered why God is not saving them that's what we are telling you that they are as innocent as an older person who also died and if you're thinking of the crime an older person has committed babies aren't guiltless too all have sinned that's why all are growing old, getting sick and dying! Romans 3:23

jaephoenix:
Hold up! So who created Satan?

Were you born and raised an atheist?

Death is for sinners as in God's enemies that's what Paul meant when he said:
"All have sinned and fallen short of God's glory" Romans 3:23

So if God decided to make friends with Adam's descendants it's because we found ourselves in a situation where we are helpless {Psalms 49:7-9} but the fact remains that all of us are sinners: sentenced to death right from the day we were conceived in our mother's womb! Psalms 51:5 compare to Romans 6:23

tctrills:
You keep asking the wrong questions. Even Abraham a friend of God died. Every, good or evil must meet death at some time or the other.

tctrills:
Also, note, God destroyed the people in Noah's days and Sodom and Gomorrah via natural disasters. So are you saying that natural disasters only destroys evil people? Are JW members immuned to natural disasters?
Please stop using these excuses. God does not hate children. Read the verses I gave you and stop depending on the false teachings of men like yourself. Or at least ask your leaders questions. Don't just swallow everything they say.

HellVictorinho6:
i will learn about god -meaning?

Majority don't know the indepth meaning of the title GOD so if you're the type your motive for thinking about worship may be wrong and if you're called by a misinformed churchgoer you will not know what exactly you're doing in their gathering!

CHRISTIANITY is the most difficult religion but Catholics and protestants have deceived many like you to think it's a bed of roses!

Well there are the steps of becoming a REAL Christian:
© Disciples visit or speak with you either at your doorstep, workplace or any other place.
© You begin asking questions which will lead to a Bible study.
© During the course of your study you learn about God, His qualities, likes and dislikes, His Kingdom, what is required for you to become a citizen in God's Kingdom and how to get help in putting on this new personality.
© You are invited to come and see other imperfect humans like you who are already fighting really hard to put away that Old personality and put on the New.
© You will discovered that none of them is perfect after all but each person is striving hard to put behind them their old ways as they pray to God for help of the Holy Spirit.

Then it's time for you to decide whether you will continue with the journey or retreat, if you choose to continue then they will start praying with you for the Holy Spirit to keep reminding you each time you're tempted to go back to your old ways. If you're doing fine then you're invited to join others in proclaiming your new found faith publicly for everyone in your neighbourhood to know that you're now one of Jesus' disciples as you preach and teach all around the neighborhood.
That's the time you now dedicate yourself to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who sent Jesus to commission Christianity privately then publicly you are baptized for members of God's organization to know you that you're now one of us.
From that time whatever you do will be on the watch because not only will people around you question you saying "aren't you one of the disciples of Christ?" members will also keep an eye on you to be sure you're progressing to maturity perhaps you want to get married they will stand as brothers and sisters for you to marry any member of God's organization in any country of your choice provided you can meet up with the expenses!

It's not just attending a gathering for a day and getting baptized few days later!

OkCornel:
Interesting observation though…
Matthew and Mark’s account stated both thieves mocked Christ. Luke’s account stated one mocked Christ. John’s account was silent on the matter. Anyone care to explain?

Both of them were confused about personality of the man in their middle been executed with them after some time they realized through the comments of those standing {Luke 23:35-37} that it's Jesus of Nazareth so they began asking him how come he's there with them if he's truly that powerful prophet?

That's why the first one go straight to what is of utmost importance to him “You are the Christ, are you not? Save yourself and us too!” Luke 23:39

But on a second thought the other thief started recalling what the prophets said about how the Christ will be counted among the transgressors and carry the burden of the sin of many {Isaiah 53:12} and cut off from among the living! Daniel 9:26

He began rebuking his accomplice that if Jesus hasn't done anything wrong but good works and he's been condemned definitely this young man must be the Christ who is king of God's Kingdom that's why he immediately begged Jesus for a Visa which means he is ready to obey Christ as Lord and King.

So at first both of them were confused about Jesus' real identity but the second thief regain his senses and quickly speak up for his salvation!

delkuf:
maxi stop spewing nuisance. The thief was save because of grace. He never worked for it. It was few hours to his death. How possible would he have worked for it

Misinformed Churchgoer!

Jesus commanded his disciples to go out and preach and teach about God's Kingdom which he (Jesus) will be the King! Matthew 28:19-20

Now go back and read what that thief said about Jesus before you start arguing blindly.

He has done exactly what Jesus commanded even at his last moment.

So has he become a Christian preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom in Christ Jesus or not?

Steep:
Good, so you now see that a gift is something you do not work for.
What effort do you make to receive a free gift?
The bible already punctures hole to false teachings

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

It is even called a free gift, meaning no effort required to receive it.
So your gibberish nwt of effort has being thrashed.

You can go and try giving beggars something and see what i mean!

Even though what you brought is free yet they will stand up or stretch out their hands despite the fact that they don't even know what you've brought. That's what WORK of FAITH means!

tctrills:
Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
They are not his enemies but his heritage and his gifts.
The fruit of the womb is a blessing not a curse.
Children inherit the kingdom of Heaven.

Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Sometimes you guys need to start believing Christ and stop believing the doctrines of men

So why destroy them in Noah's days, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho and Amalek if they're not part of God's enemies?

bobestman:
you don run to another reference again. Shameless fool. God said with his mouth that he made them priest or prophet from the womb. Did God lie? Answer or keep shut forever

So are you saying they're not SINNERS who deserves to die according to Romans 6:23?

If they're not sinners then why do they grow old, get sick and die?

Esortigress:
Meaning the bible was adulterated hmm. Please what's your stake on polygamy because modern christians seems to be embracing it.

Polygamy wasn't evil until Jesus began his preaching and teaching campaign about God's Kingdom!

In God's Kingdom there will be no cause for envy, jealousy and hatred because anyone having these traits will only live for a hundred years and expire {Isaiah 65:20} if woman doesn't wants a rival to enjoy her man with her and all Christians globally view themselves as brothers and sisters {Mark 10:29-30} then it is wrong to bring in a rival for my wife who is also my Christian sister! Leviticus 18:18

In God's Kingdom love, joy and peace must reign that's why Jesus referred us back to the standard God set in the beginning: One Adam and one Eve! Matthew 19:4-5

jaephoenix:
Can I see the bible verse where they did that?

You dey doubt wetin a JW talk about our book?
Exodus 17:8