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sadyeek:
Dude when you talking about your non believe in God, I didn't in anyway insultt anything that have to do with that. I only ask you do the same out of respect,

OK, sorry I apologize if I hurt your feelings. . . . .

sadyeek:
Please, comment on something when you have knoweledge about it,

I know very much what am talking about and I have knowledge when it comes to this issue. . .

[quote author=omo_to_dun link=topic=726910.msg8848106#msg8848106 date=1312398058]^
I haven't read the Quran, so I can't argue with you, otherwise I risk making a fool out of myself. But I hope to someday read it.[/quote]I have read it and its just pure nonsense. . .one third of it is just nonsense. . . .Nothing in it will add any thing of meaning or value to your life, So dont even bother. . . .But if you want to read it just for reading sake then go ahead and do so. . .

sadyeek:
Very true, but in the Quran you would not find any, why do you tink so?

Answer
It is not the words of man like, but the words of God reveled to mankind through his messenger.

The Koran is the word of deluded men that stole the stories of the ancient Jews and Christians. . . .Nothing in it can not be written by people living at that time. . .Beside the lying claims of those that wrote the Koran and invented the Islamic religion what evidence do you have to show that any God personally revealed his word in Arabic to any Arab tribe?. . . . .The God that created the universe decided to reveal his word to mankind using the Arabic language, eh?. . .Clap for yourself. . .

Just to add quickly people do not need the fear of hell to live moral lives, the fear of hell has not stopped people from doing bad things at all and it never will. . . .

Uyi Iredia:
We all know what hell is. The place of eternal torment. Please answer these questions:

Firstly, you do NOT know anything. . .You ONLY believe that there is a place called hell, just the way the ancient Egyptians believe in an eternity where their Royals will need all their favorite wives, servants and best clothing etc to survive. They build very big tombs and pyramids for them that are still standing till this day. . . .Now we look at them and laugh at their "foolish" beliefs. . . .Your beliefs are no different from theirs or the Mayans and Aztecs. . . .

Hell is an IMAGINARY place. . . . .Even the place translated as hell in the bible is a place for burning refuse out side Jerusalem. . .The hell hypothesis was created just to instill fear and make people to stay in line and nothing else. . . .According to the myth those that accept the lies and crazy hypothesis, myths and imaginations of those that wrote the bible (who are mostly unknown till this day)will avoid hell and those that do not will go there, what better way of making people accept your lies and deceit. . . .By the way every body's going to hell according to another person's religion. . .According to Muslims Christians are going to hell only for being Christians for getting that most people are christian only because they were born into the religion and nothing else. The hell myth deals and survives ONLY on fear and lack of knowledge. . . .It does not exist and remains an imaginary place. . , As for those talking about the mythical devil. . .PLEASE I will like them to describe how he looks like. . .People should stop bandying age not myths as if they know whet they are talking about when in reality they don't. . . .

Sweetnecta:
AND ALLAH is the ALL KNOWING.

Allah does not know anything. . . .

divinereal:
Vandal-x-cool dont you have some fasting to do, quaran reciting or something? This is a discussion about the great Tai Solarin and of course you have to derail this topic.

He doesn't understand Arabic which is the language of his imaginary slave master Allah, so how do you expect him to recite the Koran?. . . . .

vedaxcool:
I am forced to avoid replying your illogical response by restating my point:

Yes how absurd, it is to use the Osama, religion related violence etc to judge religion, I am simply gradually exposing the Hypocrisy of atheism, and I repeat Nietzsche remains an authority in atheism as long as people like you and solarin makes straw based arguments.

I am happy i have proved beyond reasonable doubts, that only by lies do can you or any other atheist can claim the Qur'an sanction killing, and despite correcting you, the ignorance in you still wants to live in falsehood, thank goodness Nietzsche showed us how violent atheism is and how blood thirsty it can actually be. We used to think that atheist were atheist because they had read and educated themselves substantially on issues, yet i have been forced in this thread to educate a highly ignorant atheist, who lacks any form of objectivity, it will be almost impossible for such an individual to find guidance, as he is fanatically attached to misguidance. Alhamdulilah, for not letting us fall victims to such foolery

The koran sanctions killing of people that are unbelievers or disobedient. . .It sanctions the killing of apostates and unbelievers. . . .Unless if you are telling me that you understand the Koran and Arabic better than the Arabs that are killing people that world over as a relgious duty because of the verses they read in the Koran. . .verses such as. . . . Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.[/b]

Another injunction to fight unbelievers in the Koran. . . . Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Fight for Allah because the FACT is he does not exist as as such humans must fight for him since he is a man made (Idea). . . .People think they are fighting for Allah but in reality they are just fighting to promote the ideas of those that created the ideology(Allah). . .

vedaxcool:
Words of an Ignoramus

Whatever. . . .

We know who the clown is, as there is an Islamic methodology of reading the Qur'an, no amount of atheist ignorance will change that, in reading the Qur'an one must take cognizance of the fact, that certain verse explain other verse, that is the way the qur'an is read, Isolating verses for your myopic aims only shows the small mindedness of atheism, that is, a misguidance based on perverting the truth.

That is why we have people matching different verse and forming different doctrines all the time. . . .You have a a verse which is verse 2 that talks about Allah  prescribing fighting for Muslims, and they dislike it yet you come around fraudulently quoting verse 4 as a further reading of the verse? I quoted from verse 2 and you quoted from verse 4 and call it a further reading of the verse. . . .Why didn't you continue reading from verse two. You take a part of another verse to make it sound rational right? Why do people need to fight for Allah for anything in the first place? Why should Allah ever prescribe fighting for anybody if he truly exist and is all power as you guys claim? Why can he fight all the people himself since that he what he wants?. . . .

Your indeed too ignorant for me to take your words seriously,  The effect of Nietzche philosophy is clear on humanity, and one thing it exposes is that the Hypocritical atheist will not tell you that you do not need to believe in God to do the worst acts of evils or even adovocate for wickedness, reading your response we keep seeing the Nietzsche in you. If because a Christian or muslim commits an act of violence indicts religion, then Nietzsche indicts the whole of atheism.

You do NOT need to believe in God to do good or evil because good or evil does NOT come from any God, humans sit down and decide what is good or what is evil. . .What is good today can be considered evil tomorrow and vice versa. . . .Will you show me any group of atheist that are promoting or living under the Nietzsche philosophy? Point to one atheist society that is promoting his ideas. . . Is that too difficult a things for you to do?. . . .

this verse again interpret what it is meant, but trust atheist, Satan has sat on their brains that they objectively lie to prove their points. I am happy that i exposed the Liars atheist are, they twist verses to prove their ungodliness what a pity.

Atheist are lairs, eh?. . . . . . . .Who is satan and how does he look like?  Have you ever seen him sitting on any body's head or are you just regurgitating the ancient mytsh of old?

Well Nietzsche remains an authority and a point of reference for atheist explanation of their (misguided) view. One won't be surprise if some people became atheist for a green pass.

According to who?. . .Can you show me any other person that agrees with this statement beside your deluded self?. . . .

ALLAH does not guide the haughty!

Nietzsche remains an indictment on atheism and they are many like him.

According to who? You? Why are atheist today not living under his ideology or promoting it?

 

Incoherent response, may i repeat my response; I see you became an atheist to get a green pass, how pathetic, it seems this athiest society of yours does not have a name, may be in HIGH LAND does what you say exist, only one who suffers from wanton ignorance would deny that the the society he lives in is not influence by religion, only a cassava eating illiterate will pretend that rights, fell from the sky, and then found its way to atheists, it is indeed laughable how "intellectual" u are.

The society I live in is not influenced by religion in any way. . .Most of the laws here are actually anti religion. . . .Gay rights, equality of the sexes, freedom of speech and expression etc are not rooted in religion. . . .Where did I indicate any where that rights fell from the sky? Stop lying and saying things I never stated. . . .Rights were created by humans and not Gods. . . . .The evidence is every where. . . .

vedaxcool:
the Last time I checked Nieztche was an atheist not an Ideology, but hey, do we expect you to even carry a book to read and educate yourself, plase do read, rather than embarrassing us with your ignorance, I feel deeply ashamed of your wanton display of ignorance. Thank you.

If Nietzsche is an atheist authority why am I not promoting his philosophy and ideology? Who made Nietzsche an authority on all atheist? You?. . .You are a senseless joke. . . .

vedaxcool:
We know how "objective" athiest can be, not only will they isolate single verses for their godless intentions, in reading the Qur'an, verses are not to be read in isolation, from the above you see how a myopic atheist reads his own interpretation into the verse, the verse indicates that protecting oneself from danger is a must, defending ones right is a must, further reading the verse below:

This is always the lame excuse. . .I laugh in Arabic. . . .

"And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help." [Noble Quran 4:75]

I quoted Quran (2:216) which says that fighting is prescribed for Muslims, and they dislike it yet you come around fraudulently quoting Quran 4:75 as a further reading of the verse? I quoted from verse 2 and you quoted from verse 4 and call it a further reading of the verse?. . .You are a joke. . . .

Note how this lame athiest has perpetually refused to address the issues raised instead, keeps deflecting the matters at hand, thank goodness, Nietzche is not my invention, Nieztche argued agaisnt Morality, by questioning the "abitrary" classifciation of Good and evil, hence his was simply re - enacting what atheist say, they live by ethic (which happen to fall from the sky ), he further said "". . . evil impulses are just as useful. . . as the good".

How many atheist today are living according to Nietzsche philosophy or promoting it? Name one atheist society today that is promoting Nietzsche philosophy or forever shut up mouth up. . . .By the way ethics are created by humans. No God has ever created any code or moral code of ethics. . .People create these systems and ascribe it to their various Gods. . . .The evidence is everywhere. . . .

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YUSUFALI: This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment.

When was the last time you saw Allah personally administering strict punishment on any body or group of persons? Last time I checked it was people that were figting for Allah and killing others they believed wrong him, no? The fact is Allah is imaginary and as such people who created that idea (Allah) are the ones that are always fighting and killing others for his cause. . . .You are completely deluded. . .

this verse again interpret what it is meant, but trust atheist, Satan has sat on their brains that they objectively lie to prove their points.

Who is satan, have you ever seen him? What does he look like and what language does he speak? Pls tell me how satan looks like. . .The confidence with which these deluded goons go about spewing age long mythologies with confidence is really mind boggling. . .What language does satan speak and how does he look like? Does he have bears?. . .

Well Nietzsche remains an authority and a point of reference for atheist explanation of their (misguided) view. One won't be surprise if some people became atheist for a green pass.

Who made him and atheist authority? You?. . . .

I am wasting valuable time in educating you, I showed you that Hitler was a Christian as long as it serve his political objective, your 98% seems to be your own invention, you are a mere joke in intellectual circles.

Educating me?. . .

I am wasting my time educating you, like i said before he was simply being political, Oh he got his idea of massacre from the heartless advise of Nietzsche, who even criticize human kindness, no? no? Hatred of Jews was a fad in Europe then,Hitler simply played on their hatred by feeding own their nationalism and myopia.

Which atheist society do you know that presently practice or promote Nietzsche philosophy and ideology?


 

I see you became an atheist to get a green pass, how pathetic, it seems this athiest society of yours does not have a name, may be in HIGH LAND does what you say exist, only one who suffers from wanton ignorance would deny that the the society he lives in eas not influence by religion, only a cassava eating illiterate will pretend that rights, fell from the sky, and then found its way to atheists, it is indeed laughale how "intecllectual" u are. 

Rights were made by humans, gay rights and animal rights for example were rights that were passed in most European countries not long ago. . .All laws and moral code of conduct were created by men and not Gods that is why they are not objective, they vary from place to place and are always evolving. . . .

I am forced to aviod replying your illogical response by restating my point:

Yes how absurd, it is to use the Osama, religion related violence etc to judge religion, I am simply gradually exposing the Hypocrisy of atheism, and I repeat Nietzche remains an authority in atheism as long as people like you and solarin makes straw based arguments.

Osama is NOT the only Muslim that believe in killing others as a religious duty. . .The Koran sanctions the killing of others as a religious duty and many Muslims the world over are still killing others as a religious duty in line with the teachings of the Koran. . .

vedaxcool:
Who made Osama an authority in anything or Muslims that have gone against Islamic teachings an authority in anything? When you can prove to me that you apply your "logics" the same way you pretend to apply it here., we will have to settle that Nietzche is an atheist authority.

Who mentioned Osama any where?. . . . .Most of the Muslims the world over that believe in killing others as a religious duty get their inspirations and commandments from the Koran, no? When was the last time you heard any atheist killing any body in the name of atheism? Your religious book encourages people to fight others that do not believe in its lies and the silly way of life it promotes,no?. . . . .

"Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."  Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  From the Hadith, we know that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding caravans with this verse. 

[i]Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"  No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm "


Here is your imaginary God through the pen of deluded Arab savages giving injunctions to men and prescribing fight for them. . .The same imaginary impotent God that can do nothing is seen in another verse urging people to fight for him. . . .I wonder why a God that can do all things urge people to fight on his cause. . . Why not just wipe his enemies himself since he has all the power. . . .

How does Nazsim being an atheistic movement that is anti - religious be refuted by your census results? Pls bound yourself by rational parameters, it owuld have made more sense if you had say that it is not an atheistic movement,but evidence shows clearly that nazsim was clearly under the influence of Nietzhce.

Nazism is an atheistic movement that was practiced by which group of theist? over 98percent of the Nazi's were God believers, so what the heck are you talking about?

Your atheist credentials are in doubt indeed, Hitler spoke secretly of his hatred for Christianity, he was christian when it serve his political agenda, I understand that this information is common for anybody to get.

He has never declared he was an atheist. . . .Besides he got some of his inspirations to exterminate the Jews from the writings of Martin Luther,no?

I can only repeat my earlier response: Cheap ignorance is what you are displaying, and i am still going to start a thread to show ignorant atheist like you self how peaceful atheism actually is. Thank goodness, there are religious text for all to read, which clearly shows the precedence of love and kindness in religion generally, thank goodness the so called atheist society which you live in was clearly influenced by religious influence. I wonder if atheism is so peaceful, why do we read certain atheist  like Nietzsche begging for violence and promoting wickedness, but trust this will always be overlooked by "objective" atheists.

Name one atheist society that upholds the doctrine of social Darwinism

only one who suffer from cheap ignorance will pretend that Nigeria issue is not a mix of serious problems, stemming from poverty, political interest,ethnicty, greed, religion etc, but because you cannot focus on my point but prefer counter accusation as a means of showing your famed "rationality",as my pint is clear there exist countless examples of atheists surpporting violence with useless doctrines, and o display wanton ignorance, you said before the present religions were invented people lived in love and kindness, only shows how "intelligent" you are as, any common reading of history will indicate that there was conflict, conflicts always arise when there is something to fight over, this is why the low thinking of Tai Solarin failed him, you cannot take the human factor for granted, Humans will tend to ignore values that he practice when the prevailing situation does not favor him, Pagan society was quiet vicious, as they did things as abominable as murdering Twins, sacrificing people etc such violence cannot be over looked by objective individual, so also we can not overlook at how atheist movements inspired massacres such as Nazsim, in the USSR. but hey, you are too emotional to even comprehend anything.

Firstly the Pagans are not atheist, but religious people that believe in one God or many Gods, they were sacrificing people unto their Gods. Your religion is not better than any pagan religion and your God not better than theirs in any way since all the said Gods exist only in the imaginations of you God believers. . .The bible it self contains passages where Yahweh encouraged people to sacrifice humans unto him. . . So what the heck are you saying?. . . . .Atheist movement inspired massacres such as Nazism you said, eh? . . . . .How many atheist were part of the Nazi movement that committed the evil?

It seem this atheist society does not have a name? You make a good morning laugh indeed, atheism that lives on law propounded by religion, lol!

Firstly, democracy was NOT propound by any religion, equality of the sexes was not propound by any religion, freedom of speech was not propound by any religion, equal rights for every body regardless of race or intimate orientation was not propound by any religion, so I really don't know what you are talking about. . . .Cos the things that I listed are the law of the land I live in. . . .Your religion is sexist, Homophobic, and against free speech, so I wonder what you are talking about. .  . 

Yes how absurd, it is to use the Osama, religion related violence etc to judge religion, I am simply gradually exposing the Hypocrisy of atheism, and I repeat Nietzche remains an authority in atheism as long as people like you and solarin makes straw based arguments.

No where did I mention Osama any where, by the way Osama is already dead but many Muslims the world over are still killing others as a religious duty because of the inspiration they get from the Koran, the injunction to kill is in the Koran and that is where they all get their inspirations form. . . .Did you watch the recently released Boko Haram video  where the announcer stared by reading verses in the Koran that talks about Allah disliking the unbelievers and other verses that say that unbelievers are supposed to die? It was posted on nairaland some here in the political section go and watch it. . . .

Atheist society with no name? The bulk of the German society suffered from nationalism fever, that was why they could easily have fooled to have followed Neiztche foolery, Nietzsche remains an atheist authority based on your form of thinking. Yes the crimes were committed by Christians but Niezche provided the "rational" Basis for their actions. Thank you.

Nietzsche remains an atheist ideology as you said yet you can't point to any atheist society that lives according to its philosophy. Those that did were Christians. . . . .What a joke. . . . .

all4naija:
What's soul? Your imagination of heaven and hell is impractical and your doctrine limit the power of God. Go back and read you religion book you will find out that they are just human imagination and traditions. It is sad many people are not willing to hear this. Human beings possess the energy to interact with its environment that doesn't mean it is supernatural. Just like the way you would receive a call from USA - if you have no single idea of how it operate you would deem it a miracle but it is a simple law in nature.

Please, it is sad Nigerians are still very backward in this regard, nonetheless, the way they defend religion with impractical evidences baffles me!

Gbam!!

Kenezi:
Nazi Germany also had free healthcare and free education. Do you admire them for that? Do a little research on him, he was a committed Marxist.

He was Marxist yet he still upholds the ideals of freedom and democracy, eh?. . . .Interesting. . .

Kenezi:
This is a man who supported the USSR and other Socialist regimes. He is no different than a Nazi. It's telling, the people that are supporting him.

Stop telling lies. . . . .Here is what the article says. . ."His humanism had led him to express a fondness for the governments of China and the U.S.S.R., because of their socialist guarantees of free medicine and education for all. But he still upholds the ideals of freedom and democracy".

frosbel:
^^

What on earth is sleep paralysis.

Please let people who have experienced these things talk about them.

Oh of course , a mostly godless and atheist Europe will explain spiritual things away with Science.

No surprise with that one !!

Google it up. I have experienced it before and I didn't call upon and God to help me, it just went away. . . .There is not thing spiritual about it that requires some mythical power from some where to help out. . . . .

frosbel:
Pray against and rebuke the spirit of incubus.

It is an intimate spirit that attacks you while asleep.

I had such experiences, many many years ago but now totally delivered.

If it is still molesting you then you most likely have 'reasons' or rights why or the deliverance was partial as most deliverance is a process. Peeling away layers of incorrect thought processes, hurt, unforgiveness and occultic practices.

Ask the Almighty to show you the reasons it is still coming. There are most likely some there.

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@ OP pls google sleep paralysis. . . .

Chrisbenogor:
Oga Mazaaje long time oh you still dey bother with these people?
Where sister Jesoul self?
Chei good old days.

I dey ohh brother. . . .Some times you gas engage this deluded people wey no dey ever know wetin dem dey talk. . . .How you side na?. . .Two days. . . .wetin dey pa?. . . .

It is called sleep paralysis. It is common and it happens to many people. No need to worry or invoke the name of any God to help you out. .

Chrisbenogor:
Islam Peace Boko haram Al qaeda Taliban 

Find the odd word 

Islam is peace yet  it has two swords as one of its symbols. . . .Islam is peace yet we have many Muslims who get inspiration from the Koran and believe in killing others as a religious duty. . . .I laugh in Arabic

vedaxcool:
Displaying typical atheist love and kindness in explaining YOUR view, why such fanaticism over a nothingness way of of life? This is the typical crude behavior most atheist on Nl display when addressing issues, First and fore most,  your deliberate break part of my response only showed why your emotional outburst did not address the issue, what i wrote was "Look at Hitler, he got his inspiration from Fredrick Nietzsche who hated religion because it preached concepts such as love and Kindness, this same man rejected all religion"

Save all those crazy talk of emotional outburst to yourself. . . .And who made Fredrick Nietzsche an authority over atheism?. . .Enough of your lies about religion preaching love and kindness. Some religions do preach love and kindness but yours does NOT. The religion that you subscribe to does NOT preach that at all and there evidence the world over for all to see. . . .There are many people that subscribe to your religion the world over  that are killing others as a religious duty and chanting the name of your imaginary God while reading the Koran and getting inspiration from it at the same time advocating violence against others the world over, no?. . . . .

Nazism is clearly an atheistic movement because it is based on social darwnism which was proposed on what Nietzsche, social dawnism  is anti - religious my claim ws that Hitler was influenced by Neitzsche.  and FYI Hitler's dad was a skeptic and from historical evidence Hitler bore strong revulsion to Christianity "Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939 a conversation in which Hitler had "expressed his revulsion against Christianity. He wished that the time were ripe for him to be able to openly express that. Christianity had corrupted and infected the entire world of antiquity.". I wish you read and understand instead of insults which only shows what atheism is, ramble and insults.

From wikipedia which talks about religion under Nazism. It states that "The German census of May 1939 indicates that 54 percent of Germans considered themselves Protestant and 40 percent considered themselves Catholic, with only 3.5 percent claiming to be neo-pagan "believers in God," [b]and 1.5 percent unbelievers. [/b]This census came more than six years into the Hitler era"

Nazism is an atheistic movement yet almost all its members during that period who carried out all the evil were self professing Christians. How ironic,only a fraction of the population at that time were atheist, over 98 percent were God believers and they were the ones that did the damage. . Nietzsche ideas and philosophy represent his ideas and philosophy as an individual alone, it doesn't represent the world view of atheist the world over if it did atheist the world over will be promoting his ideas . So what if Hitler dad was a skeptic? Hitler had publicly stated that he was a Christian many times. . . .

Cheap ignorance is what you are displaying, and i am still going to start a thread to show ignorant atheist like you self how peaceful atheism actually is. Thank goodness, there are religious text for all to read, which clearly shows the precedence of love and kindness in religion generally, thank goodness the so called atheist society which you live in was clearly influenced by religious influence. I wonder if atheism is so peaceful, why do we read certain atheist  like Nietzsche begging for violence and promoting wickedness, but trust this will always be overlooked by "objective" atheists.

And the atheist religious text which advocates violence and whom all atheist live by was written by who? The same religious text also teach war and destruction, no? Love and kindness have nothing to do with religion and that is a well known fact, religion does NOT promote love or kindness if it does religious societies will be full of love and kindness but the exact opposite is what holds sway. You don't have to go too far, take a look at northern Nigeria, which is one of the most ethno-religious society in the world and see how the love and kindness of religion has helped the people living there. . . .  Before the present religions were invented people lived in love and kindness, no? I live in a completely atheist society and many people from Muslims countries are running here in large numbers trying to seek a better life and a better future for themselves here. . . .The atheist society I in live in is post religious, and as such many of the slaves of Allah are running away from the middle east and places like Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan where they have had enough of the kind of love and kindness your religion teaches to come here and live much better lives than the one obtainable in the Islamic nations.

I believe anybody reading your response will clearly see how you have failed to answer any question raised, rather you believe in counter accusations as a mean to defending nothingness way of life.  this was the question "this same man rejected all religion and encourage violence as a mean for man achieving his higher state, that is, "Survival of the fittest" nonsense, Due to his propounding of Social Darwinism, this misguided atheist paved the way for the mots violent conflict known in man history, but again trust divinereal, he has no idea of his own except to regurgitate peoples thoughts and pat himself in the back of his suppose "Knowledge" clearly asking how an atheist could produce such evil ideology.

So because one man who happens to be an atheist believed in social Darwinism means all atheist believe in social Darwinism? How absurd. . . . I live in a completely atheist society that has the highest number of gun holders in the world per capita, yet it remains one of the countries with one of the lowest gun crimes or murders in the world. . . .So tell me where is your senseless correlation between social Darwinism, atheism and violence? Again I ask you who made  Fredrick Nietzsche an authority over other atheists and what they believe and why are atheistic societies like the one I live in not violent or living under social Darwinism? When was the last time you personally heard any atheist advocating violence in the name of atheism?. . . .Stop grasping at straws. . . .

Drink cold water and take your time reading and understanding, rather than emotionally crying and then pretending you responded to what was asked, as what I wrote is very clear, Nietzsche provided the ideological frame work for the evils of Nazism. If that elude your objectivity then your nothingness way of life has again failed you. Instead of following people blindly, read and be free from misguidance.

Whatever. . . . Nietzsche provided the ideological frame work for the evils of Nazism as you put it, but it was the Christians with the love and kindness their religion teaches that carried out the evil acts of the atheist right? How absurd. . . .Again, why are atheistic societies like the one I live and many others around me not practicing social Darwinism, if that is what atheism teaches as are you are trying to say? You clearly do not know what you are talking about. . . . .

vedaxcool:
t is funny with all the alleged sense the man had he fail to see the human angle in religion, the human angle will always want to serve his own greedy motive even when it goes against his faith. To crown it all, it seems this man has not heard of how atheist have actually committed the most heinous crimes, Look at Hitler,

Hitler was NOT an atheist, stop lying through your teeth. . . .That is a fact. . . .Most of the Nazi people that carried out the crimes during the holocaust were NOT atheist. . .

he got his inspiration from Fredrick Nietzsche who hated religion because it preached concepts such as love and Kindness,

Love and kindness are NOT rooted in religion alone because atheistic societies like the one I presently live in show move love, tolerance and value for human life than most religious societies I know. . .If religions like the one you follow preach love and kindness, I wonder why many people the world over that believe in your religion go about killing others as a religious duty while chanting that your imaginary God(Allah) is great while reading and getting inspiration from verses in the Koran that you claim talks about love and Kindness. . . . .

this same man rejected all religion and encourage violence as a mean for man achieving his higher state, that is, "Survival of the fittest" nonsense, Due to his propounding of Social Darwinism, this misguided atheist paved the way for the mots violent conflict known in man history, but again trust divinereal, he has no idea of his own except to regurgitate peoples thoughts and pat himself in the back of his suppose "Knowledge"

Your religion like others before it preaches survival of the fittest that is why we have people that believe in your God killing others as a religious duty all over the world. . . .There is nothing peaceful about your religion because people are always attacking others and killing them in the name of your God and your religion the world over,  .

When I read about people like Tai solarin, I laugh their strange form of wisdom which is usually self serving and lacking objectivity, if he was objective, he would have concluded atheism is astronomically more violent than all religions combined together. Atheism form of violence is cruel, Insane and despicable.

And how many wars have been fought in the name of atheism?. . . .Hitler and the Nazis where not atheist as you lied. . . .

unphilaz:
whatever, listen to what one of ya said. . .

Leading British atheists Richard Dawkins and A.C. Grayling have both flatly refused  to debate with Craig, who was recently described by Sam Harris as “the one Christian apologist who seems to have put the fear of God into my fellow atheists”.

whatever, however u might use words to extrapolate the nonsense that athiesm represent the bottom line is 4 all i care is that he richy opted out. . . or is it that steam has finished for him to weld anymore delusion of his?

He has debated so many theist in the past, he has also debated a panel that consist of William Craig in the past. At least Anthony Flew just proved atheism right didn't he? He created a God right before our very eyes didn't he?. . . .A God that agrees with his thoughts and beliefs about the world,no?. . . .

Enigma:
^^^ One interesting series of debates is that involving Gary Habermas and Antony Flew (and sometimes others) which partly contributed ultimately to Antony Flew renouncing atheism. Antony Flew (in vogue on Nairaland at the moment) had for a long time been a champion for atheists; till date many evangelical atheists in particular still parrot Flew's arguments even though[b] Flew himself later accepted the superiority of the arguments for the existence of God. [/b]

Which God exactly did Flew accept his existence? What is his name and what are his attributes? Is it Allah, Yahweh, Zeus or Ogun? Don't come around saying he believed in God because there are many different Gods that different people believe in, and the word God means different things to different people . There is no universally accepted God concept and there is NO universal God. Allah is NOT Yahweh and Yahweh is NOT Zeus. . . .So which God exactly did Flew believe in? And what are the superior arguments?. . . .

Last time I checked all Gods were man made and Flew just proved that point, he refused to accept the Gods created my the ancient men whose attributes do not agree with his world view. He went ahead and created a God in his own mind that accepted and agrees with his world view. Flew's God does not have a hell or heaven, he does not interact in human affairs, Flew's God is genderless who just created and left and has nothing to do with his creation.

You see, so easy to create a new God, if flew had given the God idea a name, assign a gender to it and tries he can convince others to believe in it and help him propagate this idea he made out of thin air, so many people will accept this God of his and will later begin to propagate it to others based on their own made up stories, cultural acceptance, mythical traditions and ignorance. . . .That's how all the Gods that men worshiped in the past and those they still worship at present were created. All the Gods were all created based on ignorance and fear of the many and the cleverness of a few. . . . .

Later they will tell us that Islam is a religion of peace. . . . . Crazy violent animals. . . . .That being said, the CAN is a very stupid body, all the are doing is promoting fear mongering and ignorance. The CAN president is a fool. People should focus on the merits and de-merits of Islamic banking instead of wasting time selling fear and discord. . . . .Muslims constitute at least half of the Nigerian population and they have the right to bank according to the tenets of Islam as not as it is not unconstitutional. . . .

Enigma:
^So basically you haven't got anything sensible tosay. Truth is I didn't expect anything better from you.

What's the name of the God Antony Flew believes in?. . . . . . .Is the God the same God with Yahweh the God of the bible?

^^
Am doing good, thank you. . . . .

MyJoe:
Having fun in the Romance section. His paternal instincts becoming dominant, I guess. Apologies to Nuclearboy.

. . .Sup man, how are you doing?. . . . .

Enigma:
This is one thing that many atheists do not want to face; instead they try to play the sleight of hand that the burden of proof is on the theist/deist ---- yeah right, tell it to the birds!

Do you believe that Allah the God of the koran exist?

Enigma:
I repeat below basically what I said in another related thread.

In broad terms, {it was the kind of argument in that second link} that convinced one of the atheists' champions of all time, i.e. Antony Flew, to deism and belief in God eventually. When you hear atheists talk of the "no true Scotsman fallacy" in argument, they are ultimately parroting (OK, borrowing from) Antony Flew. At least Antony Flew had the integrity to "follow wherever the evidence leads" as he put it.

Funny enough, some atheists found  the earthquake of Flew's conversion to atheism Deism so unbearable that they try to say Flew did not really renounce atheism, he had mentally weakened at the time etc etc ---- na so! 

What exactly are you trying to say? Most atheist were once theist, no?. . . .So because one atheist called Anthony Flew believed that the universe had a creator means atheism is false? What about all the rabid religious fanatics that later became atheist?. . . . .

Sweetnecta:
@Mazaje; « #8 on: Today at 08:32:39 PM »as to the bold, let me play on words for you; your delusion knows no bounds. . . . . Mazaje declared in the 'Nairaland.com" or computer declared what is in the bold? please your evidence to show that any 'human being' wrote the 'bold' besides the lies of the author 'computer' is what? HuhHuh. . . . Radio wrote the music too, no?HuhHuh??


lost in denmark.


this shows your ignorance and delusion. i was going to respond to your first statement about God being an invented beliefs of cultures with a single statement that your atheism which is an invented culture of later human generation wants the earlier knowledge to be forgotten. As to Allah, before Muhammad [AS} was born, the man who sired him who he never knew is named Abdullah. There is no evidence therefore that Muhammad invented the Name Allah because no one accused him of bringing what they are not familiar with. Jesus was reported to have said Ellah. This is a syriac accented of Allah. similar to yoruba saying awusa instead of hausa, or igbo saing Yoruba instead of yoruba. you need to grow up, man.

Mr man you have lost your bearings. . . .You are completely gone. . . .

Uyi Iredia:
I do not think man invented God. It would not have withstood the test of time if so.

Men invented all the Gods according to their beliefs and culture and the God idea kept evolving. . . .Men invented all the Gods and as such NO God can be shown to exist independent of man made stories, man made writings, man's cultural acceptance and societal influence. . . .Gods exist ONLY in the imaginations of the believers. . . .Some Gods existed for thousands of years before they died away or were replaced with new ideas or conception of other new Gods ,example the ancient Egyptian and Greek Gods. The Jesus God came into existence some 2000 years ago. . .Allah God came into existence some 1500 years ago. . . . .Before then these God concepts and the theology that keeps them alive did not exist. . . . . . .