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Christian Science. Vol 1

Isaiah 40:22[/b]22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
  and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
  and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

Roundness of the earth, eh?. . .If we are to read this literally we have the passage saying that God sits above the circle of the earth. . .How true is that?. . . .There is nothing scientific here, we have a person expressing his thoughts, what exactly does it mean to stretch out the heavens like a canopy and spread them like a tenth?. . .Assuming the heavens mean the universe are we to believe that the universe looks like a tenth?. . .

[b]Isaiah 55:9
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
  so are my ways higher than your ways
  and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Pls where in the above statement does it talk about the almost infinite extent of the sidereal universe? Is this a joke or what?. . .Na wah ohh. . . .

2 Peter 3:7
7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

What the hell is this Na wah ohhh. . . .The law of conservation of mass and energy states that the total amount of energy in a system remains constant over time, it implies that energy can neither be created nor be destroyed: it can only be transformed from one state to another. For instance chemical energy can become kinetic energy. How does the above drivel come close to law of conservation of mass and energy? Pls take time to read what you get on Christian apologist websites to see if they make sense before distributing them. . . .

Ecclesiastes 1:7
7 All streams flow into the sea,
  yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
  there they return again.

Here is what the Hydrologic cycle states: "The continuous process by which water is circulated throughout the Earth and its atmosphere. The Earth's water enters the atmosphere through evaporation from bodies of water and from ground surfaces. Plants and animals also add water vapor to the air by transpiration. As it rises into the atmosphere, the water vapor condenses to form clouds. Rain and other forms of precipitation return it to the Earth, where it flows into bodies of water and into the ground, beginning the cycle again. Also called water cycle", . . .

Pls how does the drivel from the passage in Ecclesiastes come close to the water cycle?. . .Is it not the same Ecclesiastes that states that the sun moves round the earth?. . . . .

Ecc 1:5 The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.

What nonsense is this?. . . .when does the sun hurries back to where it rises?. . . .

Jeremiah 33:22
22 I will make the descendants of David my servant and the Levites who minister before me as countless as the stars in the sky and as measureless as the sand on the seashore.’”

Ok, fair enough it talks about the stars being many but the ancient Greeks had a better knowledge of the stars than the writers of the bible , no? The same writers of the bible wrote that the stars will fall into the earth some day, no?. . . .

Psalm 102:25-27
25 In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth,
  and the heavens are the work of your hands.
26 They will perish, but you remain;
  they will all wear out like a garment.
Like clothing you will change them
  and they will be discarded.
27 But you remain the same,
  and your years will never end

What the hell is this?. . .The second law of thermodynamics states that in general the total entropy of any system will not decrease other than by increasing the entropy of some other system. How does the nonsense is the book of psalms come close pls?

Leviticus 17:11
11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.[a]

Even bronze age men knew that blood was important, no?. . . .Compare this to the ancient Greeks that first discovered the atom. . .

Ecclesiastes 1:6
6 The wind blows to the south
  and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
  ever returning on its course

Ok, fair enough. . .This one makes sense. . . .and is close to atmospheric circulation. . . . .

Job 26:7
7 He spreads out the northern skies over empty space;
  he suspends the earth over nothing.

How does this come close to gravitational field?. . .

Gray Beard:
What is the relevance of all this gibberish? ? ? ? ? So what about the greeks? The fact remains that the JEWS had no such sciences at the time. So how did these men know all these things? ? ? ?

If i prove to you that ancient africans had spiritual books that revealed all these to them, will you anwer by saying that the greeks also knew it? That will be a stoooopid answer because the question is how exactly did this knowledge come to the Jews? ? ? ?

My guy relax. . . . .This is what you said. . . .

Gray Beard:
The fact is that there are so many astonishing scientific details that could not possibly have been known by the men of those days. Many of those details were only discovered by regular science in more advanced times many many centuriues later. Most of them have to do with cosmology and the Earth, and only a being with oversight over all these could have mediated such information to bible writers.

You lied that the "scientific" details could not possibly have been known by men of those days and only a being with over sight could have mediated such information to them. . .And I showed you that the Greeks of that time had better scientific knowledge of the earth and the cosmos. . . .

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Gray Beard:
There is one more factor I did not list:

5. Scientific accuracy.

I will address this first so as to get it out of the way. The fact is that there are so many astonishing scientific details that could not possibly have been known by the men of those days. Many of those details were only discovered by regular science in more advanced times many many centuriues later. Most of them have to do with cosmology and the Earth, and only a being with oversight over all these could have mediated such information to bible writers.

Your assertion here is very false. . .As to science the ancient Jews appear crude and stunted compared to other cultures   Many scientific details were known by men of those days that lived in other cultures. Their scientific knowledge was more precise and accurate. When it comes to astronomy and cosmology the ancient Greeks beat the ancient Jews hands down. . .Even though some of their reasoning were crude, the Greeks nevertheless laid down patterns of thought that we follow to this day. The ancient Greeks used what we now call observation, reasoning and science.

*Thales: The first of the Greek philosophers, c. 629-555 B.C. He thought the planets, stars, sun, moon, and earth were all composed of different forms of water. He appears to be the first to assert that celestial bodies were not gods, but were made of familiar substance. In those mystical times, this was a radical departure.

*Pythagoras of Samos (c. 580-500 B.C.): Showed that nature could be described by mathematics. Described the musical scale in terms of number ratios and thought that the "spheres that carry the planets" must be arranged in ratios that would be musically harmonious. (Hence the phrase "music of the spheres".)

*Democritus (ca. 460 BC – ca. 370 BC) Democritus held that the earth was round, and stated that originally the universe was comprised of nothing but tiny atoms churning in chaos, until they collided together to form larger units—including the earth and everything on it.[2] He surmised that there are many worlds, some growing, some decaying; some with no sun or moon, some with several. He held that every world has a beginning and an end, and that a world could be destroyed by collision with another world.

* Epicurus[/b]341 BCE – 270 BCE):  Epicurus like Democritus, he was an atomist, believing that the fundamental constituents of the world were indivisible little bits of matter (atoms, Greek atomos, indivisible) flying through empty space (khaos). Everything that occurs is the result of the atoms colliding, rebounding, and becoming entangled with one another, with no purpose or plan behind their motions

*[b]Anaximander (c. 610 BC – c. 546 BC) Anaximander was the first recorded person to suggest the Earth is a sphere. Erastothenes basically worked out the circumference. It was proven 1800 years later by Magellan's voyage.

* Archytas of Tarentum (400 B.C.) asserts that sound was propagated by a medium (air or water).

*Anaxagoras (500 BC – 428 BC) thought that the sun was not just a small glowing circle of light. He thought of it as a large glowing rock, larger than the Peloponnese peninsula. For that belief he was exiled.

*Aristarchus of Samos (310 BC – ca. 230 BC) Aristarchus suggests that the heavenly bodies revolve around the sun and calculated (because of the lack of parallax) that the stars were extrememly far away.

*Aristotle(384 BC – 322 BC): Classified the dolphins as mammals and not fish, as he noticed they bore their young alive with umbilical cords attached.
   
He: *Proposed elementary laws of motion.
      *Affirmed spherical, stationary earth and heavenly spheres on which the sun, moon, and planets moved.
       *Laid down much of the basis for other branches of philosophical thought (e.g. logic, ethics).
       *Was influential in Europe in the middle ages.

*Pytheas: (4th century BC) correctly asserts that tides are related to the phases of the moon.

A brief list of such scientific details which no one of the time could possibly have known are –

 Roundness of the earth (Isaiah 40:22)

 Almost infinite extent of the sidereal universe (Isaiah 55:9)

 Law of conservation of mass and energy (II Peter 3:7)

 Hydrologic cycle (Ecclesiastes 1:7)

 Vast number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22)

 Law of increasing entropy (Psalm 102:25-27)

 Paramount importance of blood in life processes (Leviticus 17:11)

 Atmospheric circulation (Ecclesiastes 1:6)

 Gravitational field (Job 26:7)

Pls compare the above scientific exploits of the ancient Greeks and the jargon you wrote from the bible. . .Must of what you quoted from the bible have absolutely nothing to do with any scientific explanations at all. . .You are just forcing the passages to say what they are NOT saying. . .I will also give you a list of unscientific stuffs that are to be found in the bible later. . .

Bros, if you can find a way to explain away one or two instances, will yuou be so delusional as to deny that ALL the instances taken together, point clearly to a source of knowledge not available in those times?

We will discuss these in detail later. There is also much more. But let us for now start with prophecy.

I will be back to address all the prophecy stuff. . .

nuclearboy:
@mazaje:

Respects Sir - you will provide my coke (schnapps or sapele 49)

Be on guard - he'll smile as he skins you alive

LET THE CONTEST  BEGIN.

No wahala, you go drink coke tire. . . .But the thing be say am so scared to be skinned alive. . .How you dey sir?. .

[quote author=Rhino.5dm link=topic=735628.msg8924122#msg8924122 date=1313374103]wa ne ni! Kasan mutanen ka da addini. . .sai a hankali.

If you dare mention you are a atheist is north, then you are finish!. . .infact even in the south. I dont know why my people dey carry religion for head.

* By the way, where is Grey Beared? He sholud take up this wonderful challange and just may be he can win a soul. [/quote]Mazaaa. . .Ka na chikin Kundun duri kana shagalewa. . . .Mazaaaaaaaaaaa. . .Ka samu duniya. . .

Gray Beard:
I have alot of evidence that Christianity is a unique religion and that it is of God.

I will use the following arguments to prove the authenticity of the bible -

1. Prophecy

2. Archaelogy

3. Corroboration

4. Survival

We can take them one at a time

God is sexless. That he is called "he" in the bible is just a question of language. Also it is not that he speaks trhe human language. It is rather that he can make himself understood in any fashion and to any creature including huimans

Abeg, if we go yarn better yarn for this thread, u must promise me say you go commot ya brain from ya yansh, you hia?>

No wahala baba. . .Carry go. . .

Gray Beard:
Look at this illiterate. . . .so a longer period of daytime amounts to changing the laws of the universe! How foolish and shallow you are. Is it simply because the bible records it as "the sun standing still". . . . . how else do you want an ancient writer to record it? Use ya brain at least for a few seconds a day na? For heaven's sake we have longer and shorter days all over the world even up till now! So what the big deal for God to facilitate a longer day in one instance? That certainly needs no breaking of any law!

A sudden change in sunset which results in a longer period of day time just to make sure that an even is carried out is an act of suspending the laws of nature , no? Longer days and nights do not happen suddenly because there are seasons for them. . .Here is what was written in the bible. .

And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel Joshua 10:13

So there it is from the bible, it says that there was no day like it before or after. . .Meaning it was a very special miracle or event. . .The laws were suspended for just that day. . .Sun was up for a whole day. . .

And you talk about protecting people from burning in a furnance. . . haba, even mankind can do fire-proof na?

But it this case they had no fire proof on and the fire was so powerful that one of the men that stood close to it was written to have died from the intense heat. . .According to the story there were not wearing any fire proof, God was written to have suspended the laws of nature to protect them. . .Any God that can do such a feat can heal amputees, no?. . .

Abeg commot ya brain from inside ya yansh before you come dey follow me dey yarn

Why you dey vex?. . .

Gray Beard:
Can you contradict what i wrote? Is it intelligent for you to expect a God who personifies law, to begin to break the same laws in the name of miracles?


YOU NORR INTELLIGENT AT ALL ONE KOBO!

Look at what you are resorting to. . . .because u norr get point now, i be sagamite? LOL!

According to the bible which you believe is the word of that God, he was written to have broken that law many many times , no?. . .

vedaxcool:
AND Most African atheist are gravely ignorant mediocre whose only claim to logical reasoning is superstitious following of godless sceptics.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-723007.0.html

This truly confirmed who the blind followers of superstitious beliefs are

See this deluded slave of the Arabs claiming special knowledge about what he does not even understand. . .Why are you providing link to a thread where you were your baseless arguments were used mop the floor?. . .

globexl:
Africans are not religious. Africans are simply superstitious. For Africans south of the sahara, the part of the brain that is responsible for logical reasoning and healthy sceptism is immasculated from infancy and therefore rarely manifest in adulthood even with some education. Most africans live in fear all of their lives, so it becomes a matter of necessity to substitute precolonial superstitions ( i.e ancesteral spirits protect me) with newer or more trendy superstitions( jesus or holy spirit protect me). As for religion, especially christianity, far majority of african dont really understand it and dont care to understand it except for the supersttitious aspects of it. Thats why precepts of Jesus regarding meekness, tolerance and love are sidelined by the new age churches in favour of miracles(superstitions) and properity(greed), deliverance from the devil(fear) and damnation to those who do not follow(wickedness).
The abundance of religious houses in every street corner is evidence of the fear, not religiousity. every one feels that they must belong somewhere to protect them from both real and imaginary obstacles they face in the very complex and sad economic , social and political realities of the modern world.
lacking political and economic stability, quality education and any rigid or codified philosophical system, Africvans seem to be the most handicapped in adapting and coping with modern life.
Why Do i need to understand the compexity of our universe when its easier for me to believe that an omnipotent diety just snapped his fingers and everything came to be?. Why do I need to understand bacteria and viruses as causes of illness and death when i can just blame witches and evil spirits?

The average Nigerian, for example stands petrified each morning as he contemplates the many challenges that face him each day. Robbery attackes in his home or in his car, robbery inside a bus, accidental discharge from a police rifle, or a stray bullet from a rober's gun, being crushed to death by a moving vehicle on an okada, being crushed to death by a fallen container on the road, being kidnapped or abducted by ritual killers, and the list goes on and on.
So he has no choice but to surrender his spirit, his will and his wallet to any one who can offer him carefully crafted delusions of omnipotent protection and blessings.

Word!!!. . . You have put it very eloquently . .

aletheia:
^
Refute away all you want. The god of this world holds you in thrall and you will never understand the Mystery of God Incarnate unless the Holy Spirit gives you let. May God the Father of the Lord Jesus have mercy on you!

On that Great Day false prophet Mohammed himself will have no time for you for he himself will be pleading for mercy to no avail!
(Rev 19:20 [KJV])
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

You are now without excuse:

Do you think any body that is not a Christian will lose sleep because of some baseless treat about the after life? The reality is that over 70 percent of the world population does not care about the treats that are to be found in the bible and do not believe in it ,because it means nothing to them and the treat remains imaginary. . .

BetaThings:
I pray NEVER to have the MISFORTUNE of abandoning the worship of ALLAH
Let us wait till they of resurrection when anyone who did not practise Islam in this world will realise their errors and start sweating BLOOD

Do you think any body that is not a Muslim will lose sleep because of some baseless treat about the after life? The reality is that 80 percent of the world population does not care about the treats that are to be found in the Koran,because it means nothing to them and the treat remains imaginary. . .

justcool:
It is not a question of feeling; rather, it is a question Hawkins lacking objectivity, and introducing pseudo terms. The word "God" is not a scientific word; rather, it is a religious word.

I thought you said that God and religion are two different things?. . . .

Rhino.5dm mai gida na? Tuba na ke yi. . . . Ya al'amura?. . . .

@tpia

Sorry,no vex abeg. . .

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=735628.msg8924019#msg8924019 date=1313370784]cultists.

dont know why you're foaming at the mouth but carry on.[/quote]What is wrong with this deluded one?. . .Carry waka. . .

Edit. . .

^^

I feel like calling you a foooooool but I won't. . . .Am asking your for evidence to show that Christianity is not man made and all you are doing is quoting a book that was written by men as evidence?. . . .You are completely deluded. . .If we are to go by that then the Koran is also the final revelation of the creator to mankind because it is written inside the book. . . . .When you have an idea of what you are talking about you can let me know, Until then continue wallowing in your bubble of delusion. . .

Sweetnecta:
@Mazaje; Go on the other thread to discuss the "koran [instead of Quran] and hadith part[s]".

Your case today as you are is a pathetic case.


To know how old a Nigerian is, we can ask if he was born independence. If he says no, we know he is less than 52 years old.

We then ask him if he was born before the first military coup. If he says no, we know is not older that 45 years old.

We then ask him if he was born before the end of the civil war. If he says no, we know that he was not until Sometimes after January 13, 1970.

We then ask him if he was born before the coup that ousted "Jack" Gowon, the norther Christian. If he says no. We know that he is 1975 man or later.

we then ask him if he was born before the coup that ousted "Shagari. If he says no, we then say he is from 1984 at the earliest

We then ask him if he was born before Mandela was release from the Robin Island jail. if he says no, we do know that he is younger than 22 years old.

Apply the same landmark event, local or worldwide to the birth of Aisha [ra] and see what you get. The obvious local and then became worldwide today is the beginning of prophetic office of Muhammad [as] and Aisha's fathe Abu Bakr [ra] entering Islam. was Aisha born before her father entered Islam, with the children and wife that entered with him and he divorcing the wife and child who didn't?

The Messenger [as] is more important than Aisha, and there is no where that his actual age is recorded in Quran or Hadith except that he was born on monday [and he fasted on monday], in a year marked by the invasion of Makka with Elephant mounted soldiers led by evil man Abraha in an attempt to destroy the Kaaba.

What is this . . . .Pls can you provide any Hadith that says Aisha is not 9 years old when she married mohammed?. . . .Why is the Hadith that was written by Bukhari wrong?. . .

^^

I asked you to present any Hadith or verse in the Koran and you are busy chasing your long tail. . . .Here is a Hadith that says she was 9 years old. . .

Bukhari.

“It is reported from Aisha that she said: T[b]he Prophet entered into marriage with me when I was a girl of six … and at the time [of joining his household] I was a girl of nine years of age.[/b]”

“Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed [alone] for two years or so. He married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.” [3]

Why is this Hadith wrong?. . .Remember it is Bukari, which is considered to be an authentic Hadith. . .

What evidence do you have to show that Christianity is not a man made religions like all the other religions out there?. . . .What evidence do you have that what ever it is that is responsible of the existence of the universe is male, speaks the human language and inspired men to write the bible. . .?

Gray Beard:
1. You said violence in islam is the same as in xtianity.

Christian violence in the past is same with the present once carried out by Muslims. . . .

2. u said there there is no basis for xtianity etc,

start with these. . . .frame your questions as u please

Its a man made religion like any other religion out there. . . .I will start a topic about it. . .

Joagbaje:
It's the power of a new creation in christ. Philip vanished and got transported to another city. Elijah out ran a horse. Paul was immuned to serpent bite. Jesus walked on water and said we will do greater works than he did.

All these abilities lies in the christian man. Only that he nee to develop himself

Which of this abilities do you posses and which of them have you ever displayed for people to see?

LagosShia:
@the above lunatic,topic drifter and holy ghost fire possessed demon,

according to the catholic encyclopaedia,"Mary was 12 years old when she got pregenant from the holy ghost".

if you accuse the Prophet Muhammad (sa) of marrying a 9 years old which is not true according to historical texts (Aisha was not less than 16 years old and could have being up to 22 years old),then could not it be that he was following the foosteps of the "holy ghost" which possesses christians till today?

In what part of the Koran or Hadith can these ridiculous conclusions of yours be found?

Gray Beard:
Do you expect the creator of the universe to be a lawless being? If the universe is governed by laws, then the creator must be the personification of those laws. As such asking dumbass questions which fixate on fantastical miracles ignoring the laws of creation instituted by the creator is just plain illiterate.

Ya brain dey inside ya yansh

This man clearly does not know what he is talking about, is it not the same bible and its  god that you are promoting that is written to have suspended the laws of the universe you are talking about? according to the bible Yahweh, suspended the laws of the universe by making the sun to stand so that his chosen men can finish off their enemies. . . he was written to have suspended the laws of the universe by making sure that Daniel, Shadrack, Men shack and Abednigo survived inside a very hot furnace. . . .

Any God that can do such great feat can very easily restore the limbs of amputees, no? Or is your God only powerful in the pages of story books? remember Jesus said that who ever believe in him can preform greater wonders than him and according to the stories written about him he was able to restore the amputated ears of a solider that came to arrest him. . . .Will you prove us wrong and shut us up for ever by praying to god to heal my amputated friend and restore his limbs or will you continue speaking in tongues?. . . .

What thread do you want me to open?. . .Name it and i will open it. . .

manmustwac:
i don't even understand what you type, so will you retype it in plain simple english or are you trying to tell me from the highlighted part that god cannot cure amputees.

Don't mind him. . .He is speaking in tongues. . .

Gray Beard:
Why you dey run na? Open thread, monkey oshi. Ya head like indomie noodles. akata man wey dey think like mascara. for ya dictionary, miracle na impossible tins? Open thread, make i see u na.

I go take BAZOOKA blow you comot if you try am. OLodo rabata roboto.

Miracles are not real, if you believe they are real then i will  like you to prove me wrong by bringing my friend who has amputated limbs to you. . .  I will want you to pray to your God so that his amputated limbs will be restored. . .If miracles are real then you should be able to pray for such a miracle to happen, no?

Gray Beard:
Abeg na u start am. . . . like say u be real man, oya, go open thread na?

I go DESTROY you with BAZOOKA dia, just try am.

Christianity is complete and accurate.

According to your beliefs abi? Islam is also complete and accurate, no?. . .The Hindus also believe that their religion is complete and accurate, no?. . .What evidence do you have to show that the Koran is not Allah's final revelation to mankind?

Gray Beard:
See dis akata boys o, which kain nonsense kweshun be dis na? Abi una norr get brain? See as una just dey open yansh for national assembly dey drop very black black sh.it dem on top honorable senators head. Abi una norr get respect? see as ya leg dey twisted like omogobiobio. that tin wey dey scracth una brain don start again abi? i don warn u before say make u dey stop that igbo wey u dey smoke, but u norr gree. . , . . .

like say u get sense u for know say God dey work according to divine law. . . . .divine law na im create human being, so moracle no go dey wey go carry leg match on top of the head of divine law


una be akata bois o

You see the problem?. . .He came out and boldly declared that there is nothing that prayers can not do, when made to face his declaration he is now speaking in tongues. . . .I laugh in ancient Greek. . . .

Gray Beard:
Ha, go and read it, and you will know say na BABANLA demon write koran.

Actually there is much more injunction to kill and commit acts of violence in the name of God that is found in the old testament than there is in the Koran. The old testament which is a part of the bible much more violent than the Koran, go read the two of them. . . .

Muslims are a bunch of plagiarist FOOOOOLS. . . .

According to the Jews that practice Judaism Christians are usurpers and a bunch of plagiarist FOOOOOLS, no?

Yes, catholics are idol worshippers, they have got it all wrong. . . . they have lost the way of the gospel. in fact, e don tey way dem don derail. Hundreds of years ago.

The same Catholics that assembled the book you call the bible?. . . . .If they got it wrong that means the books upon which the catholic fathers sat down and voted to be included in the Christian canon are all wrong, no?. . . .

Look, if you norr take time, i go abuse you wella well well wellest. Whish kain brain you get sef? Efritin wey you write just resemble indomie noodles. osanobua, make una helep me see dis kain boy o.

If you no get superior arguments, na to dey abuse and curses, eh?,. . .That na sign say you no know wetin you dey talk about ohh. . .

Norr carry ya granmama foolishness derail dis thread. if u get problem wit Jesus, open thread, i go sammer you dia.

Na you carry granmama foolishness derail the thread ohh no be me. . .

manmustwac:
how can he asking a simple question be mocking god? No be you just say to dalaman in the above post  there is nothing god cannot answer through prayer (like dalaman never EVER! prayed before in his life before coming to his conclusion about wether god truly exist)

I tire ohh my brother. . . .The guy said there is nothing that prayers can not do, and I asked if prayers can be used to restore the amputated limbs of amputees and he replied by saying that am mocking his God. . . .You see how my people dey reason abi?. . . . .