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Sweetnecta:
^^^^^^^^^^^^ he has spoken about the Jewish and or the Christian God. when you write to critic any matter, the most important evidence is always in the first sentence. in this case, tESlim has used 'man created man in His Own Image'. you will only find this conept in the bible.

in the Quran, however, you will not find such concept of 'image of God'. God declares that Nothing of His has man. and He does not have anything of man. it is very clear therefore that all are creatures. God, alone is the Creator. He is singly Unigue in every respect.

@tESlim; you dont even know a single thing about Islam before you left it. you should have asked mom and dad; these two are usually the first resources of comfort, safety, wisdom before we breakout trying to definite ourselves as individuals. you just broke out without taking advantages that parents offer. i see why you are in a dire strait.

Your delusion knows no bounds. . . . . .God declared in the Koran or men declared? Please your evidence to show that any external being wrote the koran beside the lies of the authors is WHAT?. . . . . .Yahweh wrote the bible too,no

This old man keeps making senseless statements and sounding like a deranged baby. . . . .Gosh. . . .

Where is Toba?

Image123:
God's the Author of the Bible, but He's used His men as writers.

Where in the bible did any God say he is the author of the bible?. . . . .WHERE did any God claim authorship of the bible?. . . . After all Allah is the author of the Koran but he also used men as writers, no?. . . .How does that sound?. . . . .

njira:
The Bible is the revelation to humanity of who God, Our Father, is. So the next time people be crying that God is a mystry or He has abandoned us just give them The Bible to go sit in a corner and read!

There are those before us who knew God and wrote about Him e.g. King David. The words in the Bible were written by man under God's inspiration. God inspired them to write

And when did any God tell you personally that he inspired any body to write the bible?. . . . .Pls answer dare2think questions. . . .

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engyn:
my view point God exist,

As far as Muslims are concern, is a God of Will
is Allow what he wishes , &, refuses what he Didn't want to Approve,

if he want prayer accepted so be it, if he doesn't .so be it, no one dare challenge him,
omnipotent , omniscience, the king of king, master of master,

how dare u saying God exist Not,

The fact that you are trying to sell your idea and conception of the Arabian God says that the said God only exist in your imaginations and beliefs ONLY. . . .If you God exist he will prove to the OP himself, no?. . . .All Gods are man made and as such NO God can be shown to exist on its own independent of man made writing, mand made stories about the said God(s), man made laws attributed to said God(s), man's cultural and societal acceptance. . . . Its man that is talking about the Gods, no God has ever spoken for himself and No God will ever do that because all Gods are imaginary, instead we have people trying to make others accept one culture and way of life over the other which is everything that religion entails. . . . .

By the way Prayers DO NOT work. . .NO evidence what so ever to show that those who pray to any particular God fare better, are better protected from disaster or harm, live longer, recover faster for illnesses or are richer than those that do not pray to that version of God. . . . .

Sweetnecta:
@pastoraio; « #41 on: Today at 12:45:47 PM »Obasanjo who absorbed the dpd's presidency for the yorubas in his latest book says the yorubas came from Makka. every yoruba says the same thing. i say the same thing. what do you say about it, or did the white kids beat that out of you, too, many many years ago? Alhamdulillah that I am Eru Lasan lasan of Allah Ta'ala. May he by my acceptance of my 'eru lasan lasan' position make me people of jannah fil Daus Ala. And count among me among Daayi of His dean in the way of Muhammad [as]. Amin.


stop begging me. Have human decency. Beg God your Creator, instead of begging His eru lasan lasan. Alhandulillah. I am a yoruba to the core. when i say am sweetnecta, i am honoring my messenger, who is sealed nectar [as]. who are you honoring by your pastoraio; ifa that you are known for or the white boys who bruised you up? and as to the bare knuckle video; if it is not islam and of course my age now, if i ever met you it will be south bronx, brownsville, east new york, bedford stuy or sugarhill attitude that i will ran on you. but baseball bat on you will be too nice for because omo tio leko nie [of course it will be personal which i am trying to avoid with keferi ara e. eru ifa. i ask Allah to guide you aright. Amin]. you are not the boss of me, so your opinion is completely disregarded. Seun can talk for himself. he has enough support to make decision. i wonder whose role you are trying to absorb by your forum rule?


Thummna Alhandulillah. Glory belongs to Allah.

Never a dull moment with this man. . . . . .When will Sweetnecta ever learn to make sense?

Sweetnecta:
^^^^^^^^^ mazaje; is it the story of cane killing abel that you dont agree with? i believe the story because, today we see man killing man for terribly wrong reason or no reason at all.

a young jewish boy killed by anothe jew, hacking him to death and dismembering his body. this was no apparent reason, but just that the innocent child was lost on the way home when returning from summer day camp. he was only 8 and his killer is 37, both from brooklyn.

how is denmark treating you? they got you good; turning you upside down, screwing your head up and making your emotion so messed up that you will not even accept that you are a nigerian anymore. you see nigeria. you denied her. is there any surprise that you deny God you can't see?


[b]maz[/b]aje is a[b]maz[/b]ing.

Sweetnecta. . . . .What has the myth of Cain and Abel got to do with anything? Since when did you become a Jew?. . .My friend pls learn to make sense, it seems you are more than lost. . . . .

Sweetnecta:
^^^^^^^^^^^ is God not the God of Adam, Enoch, Noah [as to each of these noble men. all of them long before Abraham]? is God not the God of Cane [Cain] who killed his brother Abel? why is God starting to be God of humans, starting from Abraham, skipping the first son of Abraham, Ishmael and going to his baby brother Isaac, who was not there at the time of the covenant to feel the pain of circumcision and then ending up as God of mankind with Jacob [israel] as you put it?

who is the God of Lot? who is the God of all? Believers and disbelievers alike, christians and non christians alike; Who is their God or is it in your mind who are their gods? Please explain yourself, into-to and don't be shy. i wanna know how many real God[s] you assign for creation, man being part of creation.

your case is smelling like the case of a man in his delusion when he asked the imam 'who created the disbelievers'? Creator meaning God. how many do you reckon are there; one for jews and christians, if you can force the jews to accept that you are with them with your trinity, which i doubt? another or others for the rest of us?

Sweetnecta, when will you ever learn to make sense?

Pastor AIO:
At last! This man has admitted that he is lost.

Finally he has admitted that he is LOST. . . . . .

He has long been released. . . . . .

[size=18pt]Super Eagles striker, Emmanuel Emenike, was set free on Thursday by a Turkish court after he was arrested over allegations of match-fixing [/size]in which over a hundred people were arrested, including Fenerbahce president Aziz Yildrim.

The player has escaped life ban proposed by FIFA president, Sepp Blatter for any one found guilty of match-fixing allegations, after the court said the player had no case to answer in the investigations.

[size=18pt]According to the official Turkish press agency, Anadolu Ajansi, the court said there was no evidence against him[/size].

The agency added that the case against him cannot be dropped yet as he is part of the larger ongoing investigation.

Emenike’s lawyer has told the player that he cannot comment on the case while it continues.

Emenike is not able to speak to the media as the investigation is ongoing, but the charges against him have now been dropped.

The Fenerbahce striker is free after being in custody for five days as part of a widespread police clampdown on illegal dealings in the Turkish league

“I cannot make any categorical statement with regards an ongoing investigation, I’ll appreciate it if everyone respects that,” Emenike told BBC Sport.

“It’s been tough the last couple of days both mentally and physically.

“I want to rest then return to football with my team-mates as soon as possible,” he said. 


http://www.independentngonline.com/DailyIndependent/Article.aspx?id=36867

vedaxcool:
I am constrained to refute the self indoctrinated lies that the Ignorant has laid on themselves and the public:

Islam was spread by the sword and is intolerant of other faiths

Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an Arab horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Qur’an in the other conquering and forcibly converting. This, though, is not a correct portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and freedom of religion to all faiths. The Qur’an says: "God forbids you not, with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for God loveth those who are just." (60: Freedom of religion is laid down in the Qur’an itself: "There is no compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right direction is distinctly clear from error". (2:256)

It is the only religion in the world that recognise the freedom of people to maintain their own faith without hindrance.

Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study of the question of the spread of Islam: ", Of any organized attempt to force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of any systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion, we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV made Protestantism , "

It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship to all religious communities in the city.

Proclaiming to the inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that their places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to all the holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set up their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in an Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is Muslim or not.

Racism is not a part of Islam, the Qur’an speaks only of human equality and how all peoples are equal in the sight of God. "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come to know one another. Truly, the most honored of you in God's sight is the greatest of you in piety. God is All-Knowing, All- Aware." (49:13)

Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps this is because religion doesn’t dominate everyday life in the West, whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and they make no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees and livestock.

NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF INNOCENTS, The Qur’an says: "Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors. " (Qur’an 2:190)
"If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things." (Qur’an 8:61)
War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad' literally means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad. The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul which everyone wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner peace.

Islam simply introduced to the world code of conduct during war. IF the disbelievers of truth still refuse guidance, they do so at their expense, only a fool believes you can be moral without God.

SHUT UP. . . . .Is it not the same Koran and its verses Islamic Jihadist (Boko harm, Alqeada etc) use when fighting for Allah? The Koran says Religion is not by force but the same Koran also says that apostates should be killed, no?. . . .Nonsense. . .

Science isn't exact, or perfect, it doesn't have all the answers, and some intepretations of evidence can turn out to be wrong in time, as more data is gathered and a bigger picture emerges, but, for the most part, scientists do try and stick to the facts, inasmuch as they have them. For those who challenge these scientists, for the work they do researching human origins or the origins of the universe, remember that science is what gives you the life you live today,  from the technology that allows you to read this post, to the car you drive, to the mobile phones you use, to the medicines that keep you healthy, a growing wonderous understanding of our universe as well as the microscopic world, DNA, electricity, even to the way your food is produced etc. So think twice before you knock the scientific fraternity - imperfect it might be, but in the short time relative to human history it has existed, it has done infinitely more for mankind than any God or religion has and will ever do.

Religionists love to ride on the coat tails of science if they can make it seem like it supports their claim, but they slander them at every opportunity when it conflicts with their magic story--even as they benefit from the fruits of science. . . . . . When Newton couldn't figure out how the planetary orbits could remain stable, he quit looking for natural explanations and concluded that God must be intervening to put them back on track. He was wrong because he let faith cloud his thinking. Religious folks have just gotten used to not having their pet superstitions questioned.  They like to feel like it's ennobling to believe in their version of magical thinking.  I feel pretty equal about all superstitions. . . . . . . Scientology, Astrology, psychics, Christianity, angels, mythologies, all belief in the paranormal, supernatural, and other pseudoscientific beliefs. They just don't hold up under testing, and I'm tired of fooling myself.  I'd rather not know something than believe a lie, and as far as the evidence goes, all belief in invisible beings is equally delusional IMO (not saying it as an insult sha).  There is no more evidence for Thor than Jesus-God or Allah all Gods are the same because they are all a man made invention  and all religions are basically the same IMO.

There is not 2 sides to "the debate."  There is one truth, and so far science is the best path for illuminating the truth that is the same for everyone no matter what they believe in. On the flip side, there are millions of faiths, humans have always invented gods or other invisible entities and supernatural explanations to explain that which they don't understand.  But then science comes along and tells them to stop sacrificing virgins it tells us that there are no weather gods that need pleasing, and we can do better by using irrigation and planting weather resistant crops.

You picked one version of a magical story to believe over all the other possibilities because somehow you thought it was "the truth" but doesn't every believer think that?   And, yet, statistically they cannot all be true, but they can all be myths.  Certainly, no  matter what is true, the vast majority of people are confused or mistaken or just wrong.  Everyone is going to hell according to Somebody's religion,  . . . .Move forward to the early 21st century and the advances in science help explain what was once seen as supernatural (volcanoes, earthquakes, biology, physics, age of the universe, etc).  It is my belief the modern day Religious apologists see the advances in science as influencing people to abandon their religious beliefs and worship the god of "science".  Thus, the apologists stepping into the fray are faced either with trying to discount science or elevate religious belief to an equal of science. 

At least that is what I see from the opening post on this topic.

If that understanding is correct then the modern day religious apologist are doomed.  Religion is not science and science is not religion.  Science is based on observation and theories based on those observations.  One can argue that is also what religious apologists attempt to do but the key difference is creating an experiment which will substantiate the theory.  To the best of my knowledge, there is no chant, ritual, incantation, prayer, series of gestures, etc. which will consistently produce an entity which can be seen and measured and identified as "God". . . . .

Islam is only 1,300 years old, and religions have a definite life-cycle, just like people. If you look at Christianity in 1300 C.E., two words spring to mind: Inquisition and Crusade. Islam will have to changeover the years as well like all the other religions. . . .

@ Evil Brain

Pls don't waste your time with Sweetnecta, most of the time he argues like a baby, I hardly ever understand what he is saying. . . .

harakiri:
Great observation Mazaje. I thought i was the only one who noticed the emptiness.

The house is empty. . . . But people are now coming back gradually. . . . .

InesQor:
Thanks, Mazaje. You're too kind sir

Yes bros. . .Nice to have you around. . . .You are one of my favorites here. . . . .

JeSoul:
Actually what he said was that just because Peter and John were fisherman does not automatically mean they could not write or were uneducated. Does the probability favor the contrary? sure - but this is not by any means conclusive proof, but rather a guess, mere speculation - that is entertained by you solely because it supports your premise on the illegitimacy of the bible.

Abi na lie I talk?

How far? How you dey?. . . . .It's the bible that says they were illiterates and not Barth Erman. . . . .

Sweetnecta:
^^^^^^^^^^^ MashaAllah. Allahu Akbaru Kabira.

omo girl, i see you in hijab. Allah will make my hope you a reality; for you and your husband and future children and all your folks.

What the hell is this deluded slave of Allah saying?. . . . .The koran is not better than the bible. . . .It is just a plagiarized version of the bible with Arabic myth, fantasies and ideas. . . . .No body even pays attention to the Koran because its a complete waste of time. . . . .

This is stale news actually. . . . The fact is many of the authors of the bible did not write the books that carry their names. . . .All the gospels for examples were written decades after the events the recorded happened, they were written in 2nd or 3rd person narrative and the authors never said they know or were together with Jesus in any part of the gospels, even when the names of the authors were written it doesn't even come close to show that they were the ones writing the stories. . . .

The bible VERY clearly states in the book of acts that Peter and John were illiterates who spoke Aramaic how then can they write books decades(about 10 or more) after the death of Jesus in Greek?. . . The gospels were written in Greek by very educated Greek speaking Christians not the Aramaic illiterate disciples of Jesus. . . . .

I saw the Christian apologist on the write up trying to claim that Peter and John were literate when the bible says they aren't. . . . .He was saying because they were fisher men they had to be educated as if they aren't many illiterate business men and women around. . . .Even in Nigeria and the world over today there many people that do business that can not even write down their names. . . .

Pls who understands what sweetnecta is saying? I just don't understand a word of his epistle. . .  .How on earth can he say  every yoruba identifies Makka as their ancestral town and be expected to be taken seriously?. . . . His delusions knows no bounds. . . .

Sweetnecta:
@mazaje; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ in layman term; you are now uncle tom. what they call house nggh in the days, and even now; street language; whiteman wanna be.

Why am I a white man wanna be?  . . . .You are an Arab man wanna be, no?. . . . .

you aint from harlem 'no more' as blacks in america, okay in old new york city tell the blacks denying that they are blacks because of their 'enlightenment' in your case you are denying that you are a slave of your Creator,

When did any creator appear to YOU in person or speak to you directly informing you that I or any body is his/her slave? . . . . . .Where you there at "creation" to know that Mohammed's version of creator is what truly created the universe

but when you take in everything the white people you live with in sweden, without any reservation, you have became their slave, except by your not seeing your own follies, you dont know.

It is you who has taken everything the lying Arabs told you that is a slave to them(Arabs). . . . .

i know who am a slave to; God Who created me.

Your evidence to show that Allah created you beside what is written in the lying pages of the Koran which happens to be nothing other than the writings of deluded ancient Arab men is what

you on the other hand adopted sweden, or that ideology [atheism] as your lord. but that lord of yours shall perish in due course.

And Islam is not an ideology, eh? Any way Islam is not even fit to be called an ideology because Islam is a myth. . . .Your myth will be relegated to the realm of mythology that it belongs like other myths that came before it in the past

Sweetnecta:
^^^^^^ i need to learn the language of your master; the swedes so that you can now understand me, abi?


you are a slave to mere mortal. the state, the people of that state. this is the worst state of mind.

. . . .What exactly is this slave of Allah saying?,

What the hell is Sweetnecta saying

Martian:
Yea, yea , yea, we definietely know it. Your invicible allah is the one true god, the trinity doesn't make sense, god speaks arabic, adam was a muslim and Osama bin laden is chilling with mohammed and some virgins in paradise.
We acknowledge the fact that arabs are the chosen people and we should all learn the language of god which is arabic. Thank you.

Can you give this same old rhetoric a rest now. Please? For the love of Allah?

Thanks jare. . . .I tire for this slave of Allah ohh . . . . .

Sweetnecta:
@JeSoul; even if the bible says 'there are 3 that bear witness . . . ? how is 'are 3' [plural] is 'God' [singular]?

maybe the bible misspeaks? intending to say there is One that Witness . . . . that One is God.

or

it intended to say 'there are Three that Witness in heaven. . . . these Three are Gods.

one of the two is a better, clearer expression with less confusion than 'there are three that bear witness in heaven. these three are one God'. this is bad message.

you know it and i certainly know it.

As if your own Koran is any better. . . . . .

What exactly is the Christian life?. . . . .It seems every body is self projecting him/her self as God and telling others what he/she wants them to believe . . . .Any way thats how it has been and how it will continue to be. . . . . .

unphilaz:
Atheist i wish to appreciate the work you have done on the nairaland especially against the Christian religion. I am really impressed with the type and manner of questions u have posted and asked on quite a many thread. however, i wish to state that the more you ask questions on issues of spirituality especially God etc, i have instead been drawn closer to Him for this very reason: Christian Religion vs Christian Life.

Are you sure?. . . . . In the Christianity I was raised in, faith, belief, trust in God are higher virtues than reason and logic. . . . .You are made to accept everything the bible says on faith even if there are so many evidence to the contrary and even if what is stated does not agree with the reality around you. . . . . One takes the Bible on faith that it's true and is a better Christian for it. To apply reason shows a lack of faith. .There are a number of methods of dealing with what seems to be unavoidable cognitive dissonance. One is, to suppress or deny the knowledge. This can be done by fervently throwing oneself into apologetics and research. Another (and I suspect more common) approach is to become very liberal in one's beliefs, substituting a vague and distant "universal force" for a personal God, and a metaphorical, allegorical reading of scripture for a literal one or just saying that every body is getting it wrongly and you alone is right like the OP is doing and other Christians on NL are fond of doing. . .In fact most Christians I know are now taking this position. . . .They throw every body that does not agree with their opinions and interpretation  under the bus and claim monopoly of knowledge just to keep the faith alive since they are too fearful of dropping their deeply held beliefs. . . .

If one's religion is not central to one's life, then a liberal interpretation can be sufficient to quell the cognitive dissonance and allow the faithful to continue to embrace a vaguely-defined feel-good social religion. It is those of us who fervently embraced religion who are really stuck when reality contradicts our faith. Compromise is not an acceptable solution, so we must either work furiously to justify our faith, or abandon it entirely.  And YES I was a fundamentalist end of days enthusiast Christian back in the days. . . .

vedaxcool:
or Nature? this same nature that you cannot adequately explain what it actually is.

Since when did you or those that came up with the religion you subscribe to adequately explain what Allah is ?

@ OP

Atheist have the right to be here just like any body else. . . .Many come here for many reasons, I come here to show people that their various religions are not really what think they are and I try to let them see that it is VERY perfectly OK to be an atheist since all the religions are man made in reality. . . . .

inedi:
Crying to political leaders to improve the economy of the nation wouldn't yield much result because you're calling on the wrong people; they don't have means to empower you with wealth.
The power to get wealth is not with the Kings, the politicians or the governments, but the Lord:

Here is the list of the most prosperous Nation on earth today based on Human development index. . . . .

1  Norway
2 Australia
3 New Zealand
4 United States
5 Ireland
6 Liechtenstein
7 Netherlands
8 Canada
9 Sweden
10 Germany
11 Japan
12 South Korea
13 Switzerland
14 France

Most of these nations are secular and socialist countries where the citizens fully depend on their governments for  empowerment and to provide them with a conducive atmosphere to proper. . . .How many of the nations listed above depend on any God or men of God to help them?. . . .

nuclearboy:
@mazaje:

My brother, I will hearken to your advice and ignore. Its just so hard at times when caught between the loose legged free talking female dogs and the even lazier self serving attempts at pathetic manhood.

Viaro wrote me out of the blues awhile back. He's busy but said he peers in once in awhile and hopes to join in discussions again. I will call Inesqor after this post - been awhile. David: I last saw on the romance section - very amusing thread between him and some Woman. Maybe his paternal instincts auto-geared to overdrive - lol.

I really don't blame them avoiding here at times. Reading stuff such as the menopausal (or maybe in this case, its post-pausal) skunk above posts can be hugely depressing.

Nice. . . .Your post had me laughing out hard here. . . .You dey vex ohhh. . . . . .Pls hail InesQor for me abeg. . . .He is truly a nice person. . . .

Isaiah 65:12 I will destine you for the sword, and you will all bend down for the slaughter; for I called but you did not answer, I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and chose what displeases me."

What exactly is this you are describing?. . . .Your God threatens the people with terrible punishment if they do not want to be its friend, eh . . . . . That sounds like Hitler territory. . . . ."Be my friend, or I will make you sorry." . . . . . .How exactly do you love and fear something at the same time . . . . . .Since your heart is filled with hate and fear, when you read the bible the concept of God you take out of it is the one for fear, anger, wrath and violence. . . . This only speaks of you as a moral failure. . . . .

frosbel:
With all due respect sir, if the word of God frightens you, it will be a good sign that you are in dread because of your sins. This is healthy and could possibly lead you to have a different perception of God than that which is depicted in many churches today, which is in essence a God who laughs at sin and cannot be bothered about the wickedness of man.

God wills no man death or evil, however our sins can expose us to direct onslaughts of Satan.

I don't believe in any God, so no word of can can scare me. . . .What you have up there are NOT the word of any God but just the words of primitive men who wanted to control others and have them believe in their ideas, conceptions, myths and crazy beliefs. . . . . .What exactly are you trying to show? That Yahweh is a very human character (and not even a very nice human at that)?. . . . .