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Just heard that Ojukwu is dead. . .Is it true?. . .

Martian:
Unfortunately, the people who need to read this and understand what it means are not the most curious of people. They are probably reading the peachy motivational passages their pastor fed them on Sunday.

What makes this better is that the researchers are actually educated Christians who are being objective so apologists can't say "oh, they have a devilish agenda against Christianity". But we can't rule out the " no true Christian" fallacy.

Sure, they might be used by the devil, after all man' s intelligence and cleverness is like filthy rags in from of the Lord. . . But its just funny that man with his filthy intelligence and cleverness has done more to help himself than the lord has ever done or will ever do to help him. . .

vedaxcool:
Whatever happended to washing your Tongue?

My tongue is much cleaner than yours. . . . .Next please. . . . .

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-723007.64.html#msg8852955, the no syndrome keeps making you a crafty joker.

You saw my rejoinders didn't you?. . . . .

Illitracy and  Mediocrity per excellence, Your problems are compounded by self deciet, Again you underscore how "rational" you are, by answering a question that was never asked? How much more is the kind of Mediocrity being displayed can ever be treated remains a mystery. My point remains clear, Muslims believe There is only One God, who had catered for Human needs both Material and Spritual from time immemorial, you asked a question and it has been answered from Islamic theology, what your small mind with mediocre complex can say is I do not buy it, but coming up with this shameful response by making claims that I never said is very low even for a godless man like yourself, As i am fully aware it is mandatory to grow old but is not compulsory to grow up.

What are the claims you never made? You claim that Allah has provided guidance to all of Humanity from time immemorial, and I countered by saying that reality shows that the claim of yours is very false since most of the humans that have lived in the past do not know Allah(Many that live today have never heard that name), they know other Gods like Buddha, Yahweh, Zeus, Azi, Batu etc and those are the Gods they claim have been their Gods. . .They also claim that those Gods have been guiding them since time immemorial . . . .My response was simple, it showed that I did not buy the Islamic theology and showed that reality doesn't agree with the Islamic propaganda as well. . . .

, Oh you have never heard of Translated Qur'an? Aya, and I thought you were  informed , It remains incumbent on every Muslims to read and understand the Qur'an, if as an Muslim it never occured to you that it was yoyu responsibility to educate yourself of the Qur'an, then You were probably a Munafiq, who prefered Ignorance to Knowledge, No wonder you keep showing High impact Ignorance in even common Islamic Knowledge, Your First statement again reflect the mediocre complex you apparently suffer from, answering what was a quote from the Qur'an which indicated that Allah's plan was not to make every one a muslim. You say your question stands, yet you modified it and because you have nothing new to say, you repeat the same garbage with a littles variation, My answer stands There are Translations, there must be a reason why Allah gave you and I brain, not to think of smoking Marijuana or fornicating all day but to solve challenges, if you are too ignorant to even admit to yourself that they are translations that one can refer to, then know you r too lost and again too much of a mediocre to exhibit Intellectual behavior.

Firstly, I have never seen a Koran in the Hausa language or any other Nigerian Language for that matter, am not saying there isn't but if there is then it very rare and highly uncommon. Must Muslims believe that reading the Koran in Arabic is the only way to get its true meaning and as such Muslims are encouraged to read it in the original Arabic. Once the Koran is translated the translation would not be considered a Koran  so you can't use the translation in your prayer or while your reading the Koran, but you could use it to understand the meaning of the Arabic text. Of what use is learning the Koran in another language when Muslims pray in Arabic while reciting verses in the Koran? How many Muslims understand what they are saying when praying in Arabic?. . .Majority of the Muslims DO NOT understand Arabic yet read the Koran, no? Why are Hausa or Yoruba Muslims not saying  their 5 daily prays in the Hausa or Yoruba language? You say Allah's plan wasn't to make every body a Muslim, yet we have Muslims telling us that Allah says that Islam will take over the world someday, no?. . .Why is that?. . .

You apparently have ran out of words and still insist on restating the same questions, quibbling over meaning of what I wrote is clownish don't you think? and the this is also a fact Today Islam is virtually known everywhere and it is Miraculous that this was "achieved" by an "obscure" desert tribe, more importantly, as i have indicated earlier, Allah's Judgement on Individual who never heard of Islam will definitely be based on Criteria that he alone knows, but a principle in Islam makes Ignorance a defence, that is one's ignorance of Islam does not make culpable for not being a Muslim, but for people like mazaje and co, who despite have enough resource to study and understand the Qur'an and Islam, will be held accountable, This is simply repeating the same mediocre question in a different way,[b] like I indicated Allah had provided guidance to all of Humanity.  The chief reason your questions are mediocre is because they lack logical coherence.[/b]

Firstly, many people do not know about Islam, many might have heard about it and that's all. Over 80 percent of the  present world population do not believe in its stories, theology and its God. . .In what books or ways can Allah's guidance for the Chinese that lived 1000 year ago be found? I will like to know how Allah provided guidance for the ancient Greeks that lived 2000 years ago. . .How did Allah interact with them and in which of their documents did they record it? We have them talking about their interactions with Zeus and Buddha, but Allah gets no mention, no?

Jesus preached submission to a Jahovah, Muslims are not mediocre like yourself who think Allah is for the arabs, you nor any other atheist for that matter can not define to us what we worship, what rational people do is that, rather than sit and make suggestions of what other people believe they examine what they believe and make adequate deductions, i have tried severally to teach you Logical Coherent Way of Learning and Making Rational Deduction, inmstead I find you firmly bounded by fanaticism on Illiterate way of doing things. The Word Ellah appeared in the bible, you are darn to ignorant to even argue well. Lie, the Liar is clear for all to see, the atheist cannot refute Veda anymore they now result to insults and mediocre propelled withdrawal symptoms. There is what they call belief, what we Muslim believe and have proven from the bible -which you are vastly Ignorant of- is that Jesus came and preached submision to the Will of Ela, a good number of Christian clergy, Jewsish scholars and even the vatican accept that muslim and Christian worship one God, rather I keep engaging an atheist with no credential for research or study.

Read the bible, the God it talks about constantly addressed the people himself many times and said that his NAME is Jehovah, Yahweh and NOT Allah so I wonder why you keep talking about Jesus and Islam when Jesus does NOT know Islam and Allah. The bible is there for all to read, no?. . . .Where does the name Allah appear in the bible?. . . .Jesus according to the bible claimed to be the son of God where as Allah of the Koran says he doesn't have any son, no? Where did Jesus say that people should submit to the will of Allah? Elohim is NOT Allah, you can try another Islamic propaganda, and NO Muslims and Christians do NOT worship the same God, only the politically correct Christians will tell you that but the true worshipers of Jehovah Yahweh know that their God is NOT the same with Allah. . . .Go ask a Jew if he worships the same God with Muslims and he will spit on your face. . . .

If you were informed enough you would have know.

I just decided to let it pass because it wasn't worth responding to. . .

If Allah gives an instructuion in the qur'an and people fail to follow it, then you have yourself to blame, if Muslims fail to adhere to the teachings of their religion we facwe the peril therein, Allah intervenes as he deems fit, and we do learn lessons from all this events, what remains baffling is your deliberate attempt to blame Allah for your muisguidiance, yet from all indications you are the one who fails to read, your are the one who is dishonest to his own conscience, you .    .

I don't blame Allah for nothing since he doesn't exist, what exist is the belief and the religion that runs on that belief and nothing else. As I aforementioned Allah found it important to tell Mohamed how and who's women he could Be Intimate with. But not to designate a clear successor which would have prevented the catastrophic Sunni/Shia divide. eh? interesting. . . .

The story of Adam and Eve and the creation story in the bible is pure mythology. . . .Little wonder Christians  that are into the filed of Astronomy, anthropology and genetics are now pushing it away and claiming it is an allegory. . . . .Its just plain crazy to believe that the first humans were created about 10 thousand years ago in some mysterious garden, when we have paintings in some caves that date over 20, 000 years ago. . . . .

vedaxcool:
Still exhibiting withdrawal symptoms, child, you need to be wash your tongue properly.

What ever. . . .

When you read all the questions below, you observe that it does not address the issues I have raised, and more importantly, it is a deliberate attempt to divert our attention from the issues raised, Note this will be the second time in this thread that Mazaje will ask lame questions, the first time I did address all the points he raised but instead of bringing counter rebuttals he engaged in Standard atheist delirium, and exhibited the withdrawal symptoms . I would have simply overlook his recent show of Mediocrity, but I notice his uncle divinewreck, has hinged his hopes on this questions that were fraudulently asked, hence I have to demolish this paraplegic ridden show of mediocrity.

Which point exactly did you address? Last time I saw you mixing verses up and giving your own opinion as a further reading of a verse,no?. . .

This question exposes your weak mind indeed, it shows the flaw in your thinking, In Islamic theology - which you are vastly ignorant of- states clearly[b] that Allah has provided guidance to all of Humanity from time immemorial, hence[/b], your lame question as to Allah waiting for the 7th century, is a reflection of your Ignorance, again to cap iton why it took 23 years for the entire Qur'an to be revealed instead of revealing it all at once, this again shows your selective thinking process, as common sense, s-h-o-u-l-d have inform you that the gradual revelation of the Qur'an has been shown to be on tract from historical fact the qur'anic verses revealed were revealed gradually so as to enable the converts to Islam, to enter the spirit of the Religion, if it were revealed all at once the arabs would have a hard time adjusting because they had been used to living freely without the rules Islam introduced. On the end point of your statements, i must say are beneath me to answer as speculations seems to what atheist are ever able to bring to the table, such speculations are not meant for serious minded individuals.

Really, you ridiculously claim that Allah has provided guidance to all of humanity since time immemorial, yet we are yet to see any of Allah's prophet or injunctions that was sent to the ancient Chinese, Ancient Japanese, Koreans, ancient Europeans, ancient Africans,  ancient Mexicans and Brazilians or Native Americans. Majority of them have lived and died without ever hearing of the world Allah, Mohammed or any of the prophets of the Koran and Allah did not send any prophets to them. Instead we have them receiving their own revelations from Buddha, Azi and their various other Gods very long before Islam came into existence. I don't have time listening to baseless talk about Arabic mythology. . .Here are the facts, ALL religions were borne out from one culture or the other. Islam was borne out of the Arabic culture and as such it had to be exported by the Arabs to the rest of the world since exportation the religion is one of its core principles. Since they wanted people to accept their culture and way of life they kept spreading it around systematically to various people. Nothing in Islam is actually new per say because all of its stories and prophets it stole from the Jews and Christians. . .Mohammed and the other founders of Islam were a very clever men. , The knew that establishing a new religion will be a problem  so they had to use the already established Christian and Jewish religions, they worked through it, change many things and created their own religion out of it. . .Nothing new. . .Men always create and have always been creating religions and Gods since time immemorial. . .

The Qur'an remains the only religious book which has exhibit consistency with-in and with-out as it is written 'had it been from any other than you will therein many inconsistencies, I would have gone father but I remember you vast Ignorance, your above statement betrays your Ignorance on the Qur'an a book you have probably never examined nor read, you remaining speculative questions again reveals poor logics and illiteracy in dealing with the a subject matter, in the Qur'an it is written over and over that had Allah wanted the whole of Humanity to believe he would have do so, but the fact that the Qur'an was written in Arabic and is currently being read on a daily basis by a vast majority of Muslims who are non - Arabs belittles all the above points, it indicts your well known poverty of ideas providing brain, The last statement is very much idiotic, as you could have asked why did Allah make me believe, such statement are consistent with your mediocre credentials, It is on record that at the time of revelation of the Qur'an, in the companionship of the Prophet pbuh was a Black man, A Jew, a Persian etc, and till date the Muslim community remain diverse despite not speaking arabic,  I wonder despite language barriers humans still carry Transactions, in other words Because Allah gave human the intellect and Allah knew man will develop to great extent, language itself is no longer a barrier in the spread of Islam.

Firstly Allah can never make the whole of Humanity to accept Islam. . .That is a line that was just put inside the Koran to rationalize why unbelievers still exist since the Koran claims it is Allah's last revelation to humanity. . . . .Secondly most of the Nigerians that I know read the Koran but do not understand the meaning of what they are reading. I was raised as a Muslim(am a full Hausa man), I can still read the Koran based on what I was thought back in the Koranic school, but I like many others can't speak Arabic and do not understand what is written therein, that's why in mosque after the Imam reads in Arabic he translates and explains to people what was written because majority do not understand Arabic and hence can not comprehend even though they try to read what was written. . .So my question still stand, why reveal the most important message of Humanity in an obscured language which most of the people that accept the religion do not understand. Majority of Muslims do not understand Arabic even though they can read it.

Today Islam is virtually known everywhere and it is Miraculous that this was "achieved" by an "obscure" desert tribe, more importantly, as i have indicated earlier, Allah's Judgement on Individual who never heard of Islam will definitely be based on Criteria that he alone knows, but a principle in Islam makes Ignorance a defence, that is one's ignorance of Islam does not make culpable for not being a Muslim, but for people like mazaje and co, who despite have enough resource to study and understand the Qur'an and Islam, will be held accountable, This is simply repeating the same mediocre question in a different way, like I indicated Allah had provided guidance to all of Humanity.  The chief reason your questions are mediocre is because they lack logical coherence.

This is FALSE, people hearing about Islam doesn't mean they know Islam, many people hear about Islam but very few of them know what its about. . . . .Over 80 percent of the worlds population do not believe in Islam, and a large percentage of the world's population that have lived before and are still living have never heard the word Allah, Mohammed or the Koran, that is a fact. . . .

Mediocre in content myopic in scope, that is what this question is, Jesus pbuh, was primarily sent to reform Judaism, the scope of his mission was clear, " I was sent to the loss sheep of Isreal, his mission was to redirect the missteps of the religion of his people, and to give glad tidings of Islam, which Muslims have long shown using passages of the bible, Allah simply gives guidance it is left to you to accept it or reject it, and you really need to stop writing no? it makes your statement worth less than a decayed battery, and indicates the doubts you have about mediocre thoughts. From all indication you keep repeating the same fallacious thinking, some how expecting Allah to guide your hardened heart and make you a muslim, it does not work that way, Allah reveal signs to you, it is left to you to follow it, there must be a reason why Allah gave  you brain to think, if only you use with all honesty.

Islam means submission to the will of Allah, right? Pls I will like you to show meany place in the bible where Jesus told any body to submit to the will of Allah since tou said his mission was to redirect the missteps of the religion of his people, and to give glad tidings of Islam?. . . .Jesus was a Jew according to the story and we know that Jews worshiped Yahweh NOT Allah. . .The old testament is there for all to read. The old testament was written over a thousand years by Jews before any page of the koran was ever written and Allah does NOT appear in it. The God they worshiped was Jehovah or Yahweh and NOT Allah. Try another lie. . . .

The Qur'an provides a frame work for all to follow, Islam has a system of deducting rules for things that were not directly spoken of, but using the frame work earlier mention an astronaut will not have difficulty praying, as in in Islamic Rules, we know that if one Ignorantly prays away from the kabba, his prayer will still be accepted, if one  finds himself in situation in which his enemy is attacking  him it is allowed to pray in any direction that is feasible, all this are in special circumstances so also is an astronaut in space. So an astronaut in such a case will be allowed to pray in any direction. Allah knows best -I know this statement will jolt you mediocre mind.

Ok, fair enough. . . .

Again , you showed mediocre complex, as The Sunni and Shia divide did not start immediately after the death of the prophet pbuh, but on the death of the Caliph Uthman, circumstances surrounding his death created the Sunni and Shia divide, As Abubakar the 1st caliph was accepted by the vast majority of the Prophets companion who ratified the caliphacy, some companions did feel Ali should be the caliph, but at the end, the Prophet not making Any one his successor, meant he left it to his competent Companions to solve their readership issues and indicates that he did not want to impose anyone on the Ummah. And from all indication the companions did their best which lead to the expansion of islam to vast tracts of lands.

Why didn't Allah interfere to end the crisis was my question and save the life of many Muslims that died as a result of the division. . .

Martian:
Says the ignorant African who thinks ancient Arab myths plagarized from Jews are the inspired words of a God. It's obvious that you're on a witch hunt but unlike you,  we don't have to go on fruitless quests in order to expose the barbaric nature of your arab beliefs.

The level of delusion is really pathetic. Imagine this deluded African who wholly accepts the lies of Bedouin barbaric tribes from the Arabian desert completely saying he feels sorry for others.

This is pure nonsense why are people believing this rubbish news item. . . .The story is FALSE. . . .There is no truth contained in it. . . .I cant believe that people are falling for this nonsense story. . . .

davidylan:
3 ingredients to design the universe:

1. matter - anything that has weight (dust, gases, e.t.c.)

2. Energy

3. Space

But how does science explain the origin of each and how do all 3 coalesce to design a universe that obeys extremely specific laws of "nature"?

Update - E=mc2  - means matter and energy are simply the same thing, 2 sides of one coin.

The big slam purports to explain the appearance of energy and matter? But what about space?

Science doesn't claim to have all the answers. . . .The function and detailed explanation of energy, space and matter on how the obey the laws of physics are best explained through the scientific process and not through some vague religious explanations that are nothing but  ancient stories about ancient men and their invisible friends that will take care of things if only we live according to their laws. . . .Cosmogony not the big ba.ng is the branch of science that tries to provide scientific explanations to your queries. . . .Pls how does the God hypothesis explain the origins of matter, energy and space?. . . .Why did God assuming he is creator of the universe create the asteroid belt in our solar system for example, and why are most of the stars in our galaxy (tens of billions of them) red dwarfs?. . .What are the religious explanations for all these?. . . .

Interesting note from Hawking - if the universe is created by positive energy from the big slam balanced out by the corresponding negative energy stored in space (i.e +ive E + -ive E = 0), then you dont need God to create the universe? Interesting postulation without any shred of evidence. Kinda like saying . . . since we dont know what caused the big slam itself then God must exist.

Hawking is telling you is that the universe doesn't require a cause. (Sure this hypothesis is speculative, but there is at least some mathematics behind it). You then come back with a demand for the cause of the big ban.g. Are you paying attention?

davidylan:
My thoughts:

1. Does science explain away the need for "religion"?

Religion and science are two very different things, science is based mostly on naturalism with an agreeable standard or method of approach while religion is based mostly on some vague super-naturalism that has no clear or agreeable method of approach. . . .Scientific explanations remain the best explanation for most phenomenon and scientific principle are universal the world over. . .Scientific explanations mostly trump religious explanations which are mostly vague postulations that lack hard evidence. For example according to various religious beliefs the rainbow is either the necklace of some Goddess or the covenant between a tribal God and his chosen people. . .Then came science to explain that the rainbow is just a refraction of water droplets in the earth's atmosphere that's why it forms in the garden and on the beaches. . . .

2. How does science explain the very origin of man?

Evolution is the scientific explanation for the origin of man. . . .According to the scientific explanation man evolved from apes. . . .

harakiri:
Did someone refer to hitler as an atheist? Do these careless talkers have a clue of what atheism really is? What's up mazaje? Na where tudor and jesoul dey sef?

Am good man. . . .Jesoul dey around, I believe she is doing fine. . . .I just visited Tudor's profile not long ago, I read some of his latest post and learned he was shot by some robbers that wanted to steal his car, but he was recuperating. . .I hope he is doing fine where ever he is. . .I miss him as well. . . .

vedaxcool:
[size=18pt]I will be back[/size]

Na fight?. . . . .

By God I assume you mean the creator of the universe, right? What evidence do you have to show that the Koran is the word of the creator of the universe?. . . .

^^

No be your pastor i read say him get children from different women outside wedlock. . .Na true?. . .

nuclearboy:
@Sweetnecta:

You have always been a nuisance & a bloated rabid windbag and I see you have no plan to repent of your daftness. Please face your front and avoid me when seeking audiences for your shallowness. As an example of shallowness, I guess your understanding of children rights is sleeping with 6 and 9 year old girls, huh? Abeg, free me

. . . . I dey laugh seriously for here. . .

nuclearboy:
This is one of the most unsettling issues about Christianity. Hate-filled, scared and ignorant people using their senses to perform evil. Let us assume that these vhildren are truly witches - why do you call yourself a Christian if they can destroy your life and turn around your supposed "destiny"?

I see this as again another example of the lies comibg down from the pulpits. While the Bible says "those that know their God shall be strong and do exploits", the message we hear is "satan is destroying your life". Its rather obvious that the whole idea is to keep people in bondage so they "depend" on the man of God who can then manipulate to his own financial advantage.

Sad!

The wise one has spoken well as always. . . . How are you doing my man?. . . .

What the hell is this. . . . .My goodness. . . .Why are people doing this to their innocent kids?. . . .Ignorance and silly beliefs are a dangerous disease. . . . .

Some questions for our deluded slave of Allah in the house called vedaxcool. . . . .

1. If Islam is such a great way to live why then did Allah wait untill 7th century to begin revealing the Koran to some obscured figure living in the Arabian desert? According to the story the process of revelation took 23year. Surely an all powerfull being could have implanted photographic knowledge of his words and revelation to mankind it into Mohhamed's brain in a split second, no? 23 years of little by little revelation is consistent with Mohhamed taking his time to get ideas, invent and make things up, no?. . . . .

2. Now to the Koran itself, a book like any other which has lots of claims like people not being able to produce any book like it . What exactly is in the Koran that is not in any book, any exclusive knowledge of the world or idea therein that can not be found in other books? Why is a book that is supposed to be for all humanity revealed in an ancient tongue spoken by just a fraction of the population? If Allah is all powerfull sure he could have revealed the Koran in such a way as to make any translation of it perfect for Allah is supposedly all powerfull.
By the way there is nothing miraculous about it as Muslims love bandying. Imagine for a second that even people who spoke not a work of Arabic could read it and understand perfectly well in that language? Wouldn't every body say "Hmm, there is something unusual and miraculous about t the book".

3. Why reveal humanities most important information to an obscure desert tribe who would take centuries just to spread over less then 10% of the Earth's surface? Why not reveal it in several countries at once since millions have died and millions are still dying without ever hearing the word Allah , Mohammed or the Koran?. . . .Millions have lived and died without ever hearing the word Allah, Mohammed or the Koran. . . .Yet we are to believe that some God called Allah that created the whole of humanity sent his revealed words to the same humanity?. . . .Why reveal to only one person and not all people and at once?

4. If Allah is all knowing as alledge, why the hell did he send prophet Issa (Jesus) knowing full well that will confuse people and lead to centuries of bloody warfare? And if he's all-powerful, how come he had to keep sending prophet after prophet to the same small region of the world before he got it right (which he did with Mohammed, according to Mohammed). Any omnipotent deity worthy of the name would surely only need one try to send a prophet who would actually get the message across clearly and convincingly, for all people, for all time,no?. . . . .

5. Why not continue sending prophets and revelations to update the Koran as our societies advance? Muslims are having tough time interpreting the Koran now. What does the Koran say about how to pray to Mecca for an astronaut in space?

6. What about the future insight with regards to Muslims and how to live the Islamic life. Allah found it important to tell Mohamed how and who's women he could have sex with. But not to designate a clear successor which would have prevented the catastrophic Sunni/Shia divide which killed thousands of Muslims.

This deluded slave of the imaginary desert God of the Arabs comes along trying to show us that Islam contains the solution to the worlds problem if only people will live according to the code of ethics and morals of the 7th century Bedouin barbaric tribes from the Arabian desert. Imagine him calling a post religious world, some thing that is actually obtainable in most developed countries state atheism. . .People like him always try to show that Islamic barbaric morality is better than any other in the world because according to him and others like him everything would be wonderful when people living under the laws of Sharia. . . .But we have Iran and Saudi Arabia for an example of what a totally Islamic society looks like. How good are those countries compared to secular and post religious nations like Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden?. . . .

divinereal:
Inalienable rights are a concept created by MAN for MAN! And until "God" speaks for him/herself and writes us a legal code, your doctrine and every other religious doctrine out there is a farce created by delusional nut cases.

I will not waste any more of my precious time and energy on this character you are a dying breed plain and simple a representation of the old order.

Forget the deluded slave of the imaginary Allah. . . .

joe4christ:
YOU WICKED GENERATION OF VIPERS,  You will likewise perish unless you repent. You ask for signs b4 u believe, but the only sign you'll get is the rapture of the church and that would sign your doom,  The Lord has given u countless opportunities to repent but u harden your heat against him, but just as your turn deaf ears on him while on earth, so would he turn not just his ears but also his back on your plea on judgement day,  While you're still alive u have every opportunity to repent but once you die no more hope for u cos it would be too late to say "LORD I'M SORRY, I REPENT NOW"y "LORD I'M SORRY, I REPENT NOW"

Why you dey vex na?. . . . .

babaearly:
lets stop fighting over religion, it makes no sense in the world to come. why arabs and jews are fighting each other, when they all came from the same sumerian stock? makes no sense to me.

They are both fighting for superiority. . . . .The excessive hatred Arab Muslims have for Jews is sickening. . . . .

Uyi Iredia:
this is the problem of skepticism . . . . I doubt you would be convinced even if God came down as Superman to work wonders before you. Same thing in the Bible, raising Lazarus from the dead did not convince the Sadducees of Jesus' time (who did not believe in any afterlife) talkless of you.

How do you know that Lazarus was truly raised from the dead? Did any Sadducee write anything down stating that he saw Lazarus being raised from the dead or do you just accept the stories of the writers of the gospels who are unknown? According to the hadith, the prophet of Islam once divided the moon into two halves and made it bow down to him. . . .Many people saw it and they accepted Islam as a result and some didn't. . . .Age long stories that have no evidence do not mean anything to me. . . . .If you God can appear to me and act like a super man why wont I believe? He doesn't even need to come to earth he can do what Mohammed the prophet of Islam did. . .

thehomer:
From the posts on this thread, it has become clear that the concept of hell is having the expected effect. We have people expressing a confident fear of an unknown place based on poor and contradictory information. Just take the time and think for a minute.

Where is God? He used to be in the sky (which is why Jesus ascended into the sky) but he has lately emigrated to someplace outside the universe where he cannot be touched. I guess that is where Jesus with his physical body is moving to (despite the fact that a physical body cannot get to the "edge" of the universe to make it out).

Where is the Devil? He used to live in the ground but now that we've discovered that the earth is approximately spherical, he too has migrated out of there to some undisclosed location along with his hell.

I just wonder how long it will take for these hell believers to realize certain facts about the universe?

To "defend" their God, they define him as a hide and seek god, indistinguishable from one who is not there. . . .To defend the mythical heaven and hell they define the places indistinguishable from places that are not there. . .

jumobi1:
See how bastard idle scumbags want to kill two innocent people without evidence. If the fockhead police had sense, they would have arrested the mob and charged them with attempted murder or intent to kill.

I wonder why they didnt arrest the bastard animals for attempted murder. . . .

The tittle of this thread is VERY misleading and false. . . .From the link it says that "After intensive questioning, the policemen were convinced that the suspects were mistaken for human parts eaters and sellers by the mob. They were later released.

Speaking with P.M.NEWS on the incident, a police officer who preferred anonymity advised the public to investigate suspected criminals before taking any action."

If not for the timely intervention of the police they guys would have been burnt alive. . . .Why are Nigerians so stupi.d and crazy?. . . . .

Uyi Iredia:
the 'problem' is this: I believe hell exists.

You believe it exist because you have evidence of its existence or because of indoctrination?

vedaxcool:
You and your father are only 2 people in letters t-w-o, This makes repeat the word Mediocre response, mediocre response would not get you anywhere in intellectual circles, as any serious thinking person will tell you that Yoruba Muslims have fallen victim to violence perpetuated by Muslims in the North, I urge you to read and be enlightened instead of embarrassing us with your ignorance, the majority of corpers that died in the post election violence were muslims, Ansarul Islam, lost their property due to the post election violence, the Emir of zauzau was rendered homeless due to the Post election Violence, the JOS criss boils down to ethnic rivalry between huasas and Birom, that is why you would not here a Birom Muslim being killed by Birom Christians, Ethnicity remains the strongest factor in Nigeria cyclical violent ridden polity, like i did indicate there are other factors, i am not a mediocre who gives a simpleton view on issues. The violence perpetuated during the reign of terror is loathsome and should be condemned by any  person, instead of pretending it is stage in atheistic development.

The Muslims that were killed during the post religious violence such as the emir of zauzau and other notable norther politicians were attacked because the Muslims felt they betreyed them by supporting a Christian instead of Buhari who was a Muslim and that is the FACT. Before the elections many Christians were urged in their places of worship to vote for Jonathan whom many compared to Jesus. Many Imams were on record to be screaming on top of their voices and urging Muslims to vote for Buhari while cursing Jonathan. An Imam personally went around destroying Jonathan's campaign posters in Sokoto . . . .The religious crisis in Jos is NOT a crisis between the Biroms and the hausa's alone because many Yorubas, Igbos and other people of other tribes who happen to be Christians were killed. . .It is only a FOOL that will talk about the Jos crisis not being a religious one. . .As such Muslims all over where chanting Allah is great while killing. If you are caught and your identity can not be clearly established the first thing you will be asked are religious related questions like reciting the shadada if you are caught by Muslims or to say the lords prayer if you are caught by Christians. . .

vedaxcool:
I DEY LAUGH!

So am I. . . .Me sef dey laugh. . .

vedaxcool:
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, typical mediocre atheist response,not addressing the issues raised, Thank goodness I replied your inane questions, yet your rebuttal had no credible answer to my response, It seems mediocres tend to be atheist, from the above response it seems an armed robber is not an armed robber since he does not chant armed robber armed robber when he/she goes robbing, mazaje response reveals the true meaning of the word mediocre.

You lied that the crisis in Nigeria is not religious but ethnic and I asked you why your people are chanting Allahuakbar when going around on a killing spree as a religious duty in some parts of Nigeria. . . .In some parts of Nigeria the call to war comes from the mosques after Friday prayers and as such in many cities across the country,Muslims can be seen escorted with heavily armed military men in military vehicles when the go to their places of prayers(mosques) on Fridays. . . .It is part of the Islamic religion to chant Allah is great most times, no? Boko Haram, Kalakato and other militant Islamic groups that believe in killing others as a religious duty are fighting for which tribe?. . . . . .Mediocre indeed. . . 

vedaxcool:
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Nigerian masses Think! Think!! Think!!!

I hope you head the simple advise.

Yet the mazaje in you could not proffer answers in this thread = https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-723007.32.html#msg8818649 lol

The last time I checked it was an Islamic cleric that said that Muslims will fight with their last blood to see to it that Islamic banking is established. . .

vedaxcool:
State atheism and the french revolution  has clearly shown why myopic thinking precipitate mediocre explanation cannot adequately explain violence, more importantly, Ethnicity rivalry seems to explain the Nigerian condition more than religion, the number 2 point is too mediocre to be taken seriously in any intellectual circle.  .

Really?. . .Last time I checked people were shouting Allah is great while killing others across many parts of Nigeria. . . . Take the Jos crisis, Christians living in Jos were quick to give the city the acronym Jesus our savior when then felt they were unfairly attacked by the Muslims. Boko Haram, kalakato and all the other Islamic militant groups do not go around chanting Hausa is a better language than Igbo when killing others as a religious duty, The chant Allahuakbar and many times the called for Jihad comes from the mosques. . . .I have witnessed many religious crisis in Nigeria before. Its only lairs like you that are constantly saying it isn't religious. If its tribal as you are trying to have us believe Allah is great will not be heard coming out of your Muslim brothers that believe in killing others as a religious duty,no? They will instead be chanting Hausa is greater than Igbo or Birom. . . .

Mediocre Thinking in  display.

What ever. . . .

The same religion nutured science and reasoning, such simplistic view are commonly expressed by mediocre, In Islam,if youhave ever read in your life time about it, the theology remains consistent, only ALLAH has the right to be feared, but point 4 clearly gathers every religion without disecting their beliefs, this proves my point that mediocre is what seems to drive atheism.

How did religion nurture science and reasoning. . . . There is nothing that has improved science and inquiry greater than unbelief. . . And as such the greatest scientist of old and of present are mostly unbelievers. . . .

So also is atheism, as in atheism there will different concepts associated with it,atheist ,mediocre, humaist, satanist (atheist that worship satan to mock religion) etc, again mediocre statements like this are not to  be taken seriously.

What ever. . .

if you notice, I use the word mediocre many times, my judgement remains, the above statements are mediocre in content and meaning, and do not reflect any form serious thinking. Mazaje inability to answer cogent points raised simply pushed him to create escape questions, there many more examples of atheism induced violence, but the above indication seriously questions the integrity of atheists, who are too lazy to look at the evil roles atheist have played in promoting atheism.

Who really cares about your personal thoughts. . . . . . . .Your personal thoughts which are mostly clouded by delusion are of no importance to me. .Pls get down from your high horse. . . .The last time you saw atheist Chanting atheism is great while killing others and maiming then is?. . . .Take a look around you and see what your brothers are doing in the name of your imaginary God and religion. . . .They are killing others as a religious duty and they get the inspiration from the Hadiths and the Koran. . . .

Like I said earlier in this thread:
only one who suffer from cheap ignorance will pretend that Nigeria issue is not a mix of serious problems, stemming from poverty, political interest,ethnicty, greed, religion etc, but because you cannot focus on my point but prefer counter accusation as a means of showing your famed "rationality",as my pint is clear there exist countless examples of atheists surpporting violence with useless doctrines, and o display wanton ignorance, you said before the present religions were invented people lived in love and kindness, only shows how "intelligent" you are as, any common reading of history will indicate that there was conflict, conflicts always arise when there is something to fight over, this is why the low thinking of Tai Solarin failed him, you cannot take the human factor for granted, Humans will tend to ignore values that he practice when the prevailing situation does not favor him, Pagan society was quiet vicious, as they did things as abominable as murdering Twins, sacrificing people etc such violence cannot be over looked by objective individual, so also we can not overlook at how atheist movements inspired massacres such as Nazsim, in the USSR. but hey, you are too emotional to even comprehend anything.

I have already provided a reply to this before. . . .I won't waste my time on it again. . .

vedaxcool:
Muslim are forced to observe the Sabbath on Sundays, yet we are not crying, yet we hardly find this reciprocal treatment from the Christian leaders, who think their jobs is to sore religious disharmony in the country[b]. Nigerian masses Think! Think! Think!!! ,[/b]

How can the Christians think, think and think when Muslims are ALWAYS up in arm and chanting Allahhuakbar while killing and maiming Christians at the slightest provocations. Many Christians were killed in Nigeria as a result of the post election violence by Muslims who were chanting Allah is great, no?

vedaxcool:
It is so funny how people cannot address issues objectively, yet they pretend to be objective, the point I made is clear, atheism and anti - religious elements need to be objective in the criteria being used to judge religion, Tai Solarin has taken the position of god in some godless individual, hence he is now above being questioned in his views, well i do not worship him, hence i feel free to question what he did say about religion, Like alluded before, from the above analogy it remains clear how objective these godless individuals actually are.

Here are some of the things he said about religion. . .Let me know which of them is false. . . .

1. National devotion to religion is not what makes a country great.
2. Because of their innate competitiveness, the two religions practiced in Nigeria today undermine any chance of teaching a common Nigerian nationalism . The result is that, rather than rallying behind Nigeria in a national crisis, people rally behind the banner of their particular creed, and that leads to ethnic violence as can be seen today in many parts of Nigeria. People are so much carried away by their various religious identities that a war in far war Afghanistan can lead to religious crisis in Nigeria as we witnessed not too long ago. . .
3. Nigeria is dying today because of religion and the segregation its causing. . .
4. Religion encourages superstition  and teaches  people to fear too many things, things like witches, wizards, satan, etc. . . .Mythical constructs  that have no evidence of existing at all. . . .
5. Anything that man wants to do must be done by man himself. No God has ever helped any society develop.
6. Religion is same as racism cos it segregates people based on beliefs.
7. Moral principles and laws are all man made. Tai stresses that the purpose of morality should never be forgotten, and that its purpose is not to gain salvation in another life, but to attain a good life here and now, within a peaceful, cooperative society.