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Apart from mythical writings and urban legends, since when has fasting and prayer ever saved miners trapped under the earth? If payer and fasting truly works when then are people mobilizing resources to rescue the trapped miners? why isn't every body fasting and praying alone?. . . . .I wish the people luck and hope they come out alive, good and capable hands is what the need not some prayers and fasting that has never done anything on its own. . . . . .

philip0906:
All your points have been made on "my Bible".what do I use 2 make my point against u?your lil brain?your reasoning dat will be wiped out one day when u close your eyes in death?The Bible will still remain

Sure, just as other religious books that predate the bible are still around, so what new?. . . . .It seems you are more interested in talking about platitudes, I thought you said you know your bible well, I was just about to show you that you don't know anything about the bible at all. . . . . .

philip0906:
U know Marylyn Manroe? Hahahahaha. . .Remind me of that atheist called Ingrid(something like dat) who gave God time 2 strike him dead,and nothing happened.In his little mind,he thought he had proved a point. . .One day he died.Is dat a mystery 2 u?

I know Maryln Manroe, she died of drug overdose, many people die so what the heck is new, or are you trying to tell me that it was your God that made her to take drugs and die. . . . So one day an atheist that dared your God to strike him dead died? Huh. . . . . .People die all the time so what the heck are you saying, I thought  it is written that your God was all over the bible striking people dead and killing them while boasting that he soaked his garment with the blood of his enemies. . . . . .Or is your God only powerful in man made  mythical stories?. . . . .Tell your God to strike me right now so that he will prove to you that he is not imaginary. . ,  .Nonsense. . . .  . . . .Keep on believing in mythical constructs. . . .You are not even ashamed of believing in a God called Yahweh "the God of the Jews" are you are Jew?. . . . . .

philip0906:
your whole life trying 2 disproof d Bible?Y?Y can't u just stick with your human reasoning?Y must u make reference 2 d Bible?The Bible is d only book dat makes no reference.Leave d Bible out of your arguement,u'll c how empty u r

The bible already disprove  it self cos of the many contradictions, false prophecies, and empty assertions that are contained it in. . . . . That's why I keep asking you if you know anything about the bible, do you know that a lot of the bible stories were plagiarized from earlier cultures? Do you now that most of the books of the bible were NOT written by the people the bible says wrote them?. . . . .What exactly do you know about the bible beside the lies you have been fed and made to believe since childhood?. . . . . . .

imhotep:
How come all the HIGH IQ scientists/atheists/philosophers CANNOT disprove the existence of God??

How come they keep posting in the RELIGION section of Nairaland when they have positively REJECTED ALL RELIGION

Since when has any one ever shown that his/her own version of imaginary God exist?. . .  . .

philip0906:
Don't worry u'll soon c a proof only dat it won't be a pleasant one.Bookmark this page.marylyn Manroe must have had her thirst quenched by now I guess?

You think I am scared of urban legends and mythical constructs? Pls tell your God to hurry up and come and kill me, I DARE him, he cant do anything more than a dead rat cos he REMAINS, Imaginary, Tell you God to  pls hurry up strike me dead after posting this so that the likes of you will know that he is not imaginary. . . .Nonsense. . .Your God REMAINS IMAGINARY end of story. . . . . .

philip0906:
ouch shshhhh. . .IQ?what u know about IQ?u all hide under that banner 2 prove your points.isn't it this same scientists who told us they had IQs that were high and yet taught us dat we had only 9 planets?pls spare me all dat. . .
[b]Go and do a lil reasearch about d Bible k?When u r done,u can come back here,cos u think d Bible is like 'em Ingrid books? U have no proof 2 cement your so-called rational reasoning.[/b]I have my Bible and my brains while u got only your brains,and u still take a peep in2 my Bible,2 quench your thirst.Which atheist hasn't made a remark about d Bible? Which atheist argues without making reference 2 d bible?It shows how empty u guys r

What exactly do you know about the bible? What proof do you have to show that any of the biblical assertion is true? Why is the bible and its claims true and that of the koran or the Hindu verder false?. . . . . .What exactly do you know about the bible? I hope yo KNOW that the bible is not really what it says it is because most of the books in the bible were NOT even written by the people that the church tradition assigned as the writers. . . .

Any Christian that can point to the existence of his/her God outside man made stories, man made mythologies, man's cultural and societal acceptance will have a case, other wise the christian God remains a man made creation like any other God out there. . . . . .Does the Christian God exist? Yes, the Christian God like any other God exist in the imaginations of those that believe in the Christian God hypothesis but in reality the Christian God is just another man made mythical construct. . . . . . . .

[quote author=Rhino.3dm link=topic=503858.msg6653890#msg6653890 date=1282968709]Yes o! he was shouting while bleeping mary magdaline with fresh olive oil, while all the guest where consume with fresh and sweetest vino mezzo rosso. If not how can a man-god provide a wine in another man-man wedding. So god eat, sleep, cried, run for his life why not jolificate by bleeping the hell out of mary magdaline. I pressume he was still a virgin or is there any account of god having extra marital affairs Confusionist *sigh*[/quote]Mazaaaaaa ba ka da sauki mallam, wato harkan olive oil kenan da wassu abubuwa ko?. . . . . . . . .Ya ka ke? Da fatan kana nan lafiya. . . . .

^^^^

What the heck is this guy ranting about? Does this guy know anything about the evolution of Allah?

[quote author=Rhino.3dm link=topic=501927.msg6641781#msg6641781 date=1282800768]Maza! To yaya? Kana lafiya?[/quote]Ina nan lafiya lau, Kai fa? Da fatan kana nan lafiya kai ma. . . . . .Na gode. . . .

jackdaniel:
LWKMD, a thread of that nature might make some people declare FATWA on your head; one should not forget that mere cartoons made some kill others in the name of religious bru-ha-ha, I wonder what a rational religious/historical discuss would lead to? that is what i call a religion of PEACE(indeed, *sigh*), as wole soyinka put it in his brilliant work THE CLIMATE OF FEAR "before, it was I am right and you are wrong, but it is now I am right and you are dead", LWKMD

Religion of peace indeed. . . . .

vedaxcool:
[b]i THINK i UNDERSTAND YOUR PROBLEM, You see in Islam, the Qur'an tells us that every single Nation was given guidance, that is, to every  ethnic or race group, Allah sent messengers to tell them about worshiping GOD. Now I can't say with certainty that all religions in the world are from ALLAH, But I can say that many religion in the World are from GOD. Having said that I will add that some Muslim scholars have through this verse and some other Hadith brought out a model(Degeneration Model) on why so many religions over time.
1. We Muslims maintain that every religion that come from GOD had the same consistent message Ie GOD is one and direct all worship to him alone.
2. According to a hadith ( unfortunately I cannot get my hand on it), The Prophet spoke about an ancient group of people whom GOD sent a Messenger, after some time the messenger was able to guide his people then he died. Hence they rose a group of pious individuals who carried on from that messenger, after they died their people built statures of them and made elaborate Graves for them. Then later generation began to worship this Idols thinking that was the reason they were built( Satn decieved them), hence with time the religion became pure Idolatry. As for the Bible--OT-- I think to a great the writers atimes engange in braging that atimes made it look as if there are other divity except GOD.

   From what I understand from your post you seem to be reading out what social?? evolutionist have to say about religion that is monotheism came from polytheism, which I think using their Logic of Evolution is wrong as Dwarmin said that Big(complex) came from small(Simple), in other words Polytheism actually came from Monotheism, as in most Polytheistic religion you will note subtlely that there is a big GOD who controls the smaller gods, even looking at catholism you will see that the Hadith I explained earlier fits like a glove that is when their saints? die they begin to worship him, even the same thing with other branches of Christianity you will notice how the prefer worshiping Jesus rather then the reaql Lord, looking closely at Trinity you will note that Father appears to send other gods?? on errand. again some Misguided Muslim involve themslves in the shameless Saint Worship, this is an indication that peole tend to make monotheistic religion Polytheistic with time. [/b]

Do you want me to start a topic about the evolution of Allah?. . . . . .I just hope you know that Allah was elevated to his present status by Mohamed and his cohorts. . . . . . . .

jackdaniel:
Deu 32 vs 8
The unrevised text would have read thus:


בְּהַנְחֵל עֶלְיוֹן גּוֹיִם          בְּהַפְרִידֹו בְּנֵי אָדָם

יַצֵּב גְּבֻלֹת עַמִּים            לְמִסְפַּר בְּנֵי שֹׁר־אֵל

וַיְהִי חֵלֶק יהוה עַמֹּו        יַעֲקֹב חֶבֶל נַחֲלָתֹו

When Elyon gave the nations an inheritance,

      when he divided humankind,

he set the bounds of the peoples

      according to the number of El’s children,

and Yahweh’s portion was his people,

      Jacob, the lot of his inheritance.

I recently found out that most of the English translation of the OT is fraudulent, because it does not paint the actual picture of what is being said . . . . . . . . .

Pastor AIO:
Hen, Kunleeeeeeeeeee!!! somehow somehow sha you manage to take tithe matter jam am put inside. Go on soldier. Fight them every where you see them.

noetic16:
what biblical account has been demonstrated as false? and by whom?

So many of them, I will list just 3, the exodus from Egypt, Noah's flood and the resurrection of all the Jewish saints who walked round the city of Jerusalem for all to see which the bible alleges took place on the day that Jesus was crucified. . . .All these have been shown to be FALSE claims by the bible. . . . .

The bible was written as a prayer and faith tool. In the context of prayer and faith, it cannot be wrong. why use the bible for scientific exploration?

FALSE, the Tanakkah(Old testament) was written both as a historical document and as a form of heritage and identity, your claim about the bible being a prayer and faith tool is NOT true, because a simple reading of the book says it is much more than what you are trying to make it to be. . .  .

This was the point I made when I asserted that the bible cannot be used to construct an historical argument. . . it was not designed to do so.

FALSE, parts of the bible was designed to serves as a historical document, read the OT again, its very clear you have never read it. . . .The bible has served as a historical document for the Jew for a very long time, so i don't get what you are trying to say here.   

1. if u objectively look at the creation accounts . . . .I think it is more plausible than evolution or any other theory. As it postulates a super-intelligent being creating an intelligent universe full of life. it is both absurd and intellectually backward to suggest that the universe and the essentials of life as we see it today is an accidental occurrence.

False, The big bang theory despite its flaws better explains the existence of the universe and how it came about FAR better than the 2 DIFFERENT creation accounts we have in the bible, the accounts in genesis 1 and 2 were written by 2 different people over two different periods and that is the FACT. . . . . . .No body is saying that the universe came about by accident, people that are concerned are looking into it and they have made a lot of progress even though they haven't gone there yet. . . .You can start a topic and lets compare the biblical claims of origin written in genesis with the big bang theory and lets see which one  of the 2 has the support of the observable evidence we see around us. . . . . .

2. You are actually assuming that the earth was always like this. .   in this scattered and divided form. There are plausible scientific notions that suggest that the earth was not always like this and was most importantly not in this form when Noah's flood took place. And again have u heard of rootless polystrate fossils? they IMO explain Noah's flood in graphic terms.

According to the bible the Noah's flood took place about 4500 years ago, pls do you have any scientific evidence to show that the continents were all together in one place 4500 years ago? The scientific evidence shows that the continents broke apart millions of years ago not 4500 years ago. . . .Historical evidence from other cultures show that the Noah's flood REMAINS a myth(no wonder many christians are now claiming was only a local flood due to the lack of evidence) . . . .If you read up about the nation of Gojoseon in the Korean peninsula you wil learn that it came in to power in 2333 BCE after the end of the Bai-dal kingdom, just 15 years after the supposed date of the Flood (2348 BCE). . . . . .

Also, in Egypt there is the end of the Fifth Dynasty and start of the Sixth Dynasty (founded by Teti) in 2345BCE. Funny, I don't recall Teti being listed in the genealogy of Noah's sons. . . . .All this historical evidence show that there was never a global flood . . . . . .

Judges 11:23-24:
{Jephthah speaking to the king of the Ammonites}: 23 S[b]o now Yahweh, the God of Israel, has conquered the Amorites for the benefit of his people Israel.[/b] Do you intend to take their place? 24 Should you not possess what your god Chemosh gives you to possess? And should we not be the ones to possess everything that Yahweh our God has conquered for our benefit?

The text is somewhat confused, because Chemosh was actually the god of the Moabites, and Milcom was the god of the Ammonites (see 1 Kings 11:5, 33), but the point remains, and the belief that what transpired with the gods in heaven impacted earthly events was also believed by other ANE inhabitants, including the Moabites, as evidenced by the Moabite Stone. . . . .

And I made this high place for Kemosh in Qarhar . . . because of the deliverance of Mesha, and because he has saved me from all the kings and because he caused me to see [my desire] upon all who hated me. Omri, king of Israel -- he oppressed Moab many days, because Chemosh was angry with his land.

Compare the language used by Jeremiah in his oracle against Moab:

Jeremiah 48:1

Concerning Moab.
Thus says Yahweh of hosts, the God of Israel, 7 Surely, because you trusted in your strongholds and your treasures, you also shall be taken; Chemosh shall go out into exile, with his priests and his attendants.

From this verse of the bible its clear that Yahweh also believe in the existence of other Gods like him. . . . . . .

Micah 4:1-5:
In days to come the mountain of Yahweh's house shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and shall be raised up above the hills. Peoples shall stream to it, 2 and many nations shall come and say: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of Yahweh, to the house of the God of Jacob; that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths." For out of Zion shall go forth instruction, and the word of Yahweh from Jerusalem. 3 He shall judge between many peoples, and shall arbitrate between strong nations far away; they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more; 4 but they shall all sit under their own vines and under their own fig trees, and no one shall make them afraid; for the mouth of Yahweh of hosts has spoken. 5 For all the peoples walk, each in the name of its god, but we will walk in the name of Yahweh our God forever and ever.

Its very clear even from the bible that Yahweh evolved into a superior God from amongst his fellow bro-Gods, even the bible has Yahweh acknowledging the existence of other Gods, but the only thing is that he claims t be the only true God while all the others are false Gods, the same claim will be made by the other Gods to their people. . . . . .The Jews were never really a monotheistic people, their monotheism itself evolved with time because they wanted to form an identity for themselves. . . . .

Krayola ! Its very nice to have you back, how have you been doing?. . . . .

Image123:
^YEYE upon YEYE.
Let me teach/remind you a song.

d d r m m r m (2times)
s f m r, m f f d r
f m r d, r m m t d.(solfa)

Jesus na you be Oga (2 times)
All other gods, na so so yeye
Ev'ry other god, na so so yeye.

How is Jesus better than Allah or any other God out there?. . . . . .

Jeremiah 32:29 -- The Babylonians who are attacking this city will come in and set it on fire; they will burn it down, along with the houses where the people[b] provoked me to anger by burning incense on the roofs to Baal and by pouring out drink offerings to other gods.[/b]

Ezekiel 8:13-14 -- Again, he said, "You will see them doing things that are even more detestable." 14 Then he brought me to the entrance to the north gate of the house of the LORD, and I saw women sitting there, mourning for Tammuz.

Why would Yahweh, the supposed only true God, name other Gods by name and be so upset that his people are praying to them if they didn't exist? Why wouldn't he just prove to his people once and for all that Baal, Tammuz and the other Gods didn't exist at all?

Instead, he includes as part of his written laws that his people will worship no other Gods before him and that he is very jealous. He isn't talking about money or fame, he's talking about Baal, Tammuz, Zeus, etc.

Does he really believe there are other Gods out there?

Of course in reality, it is the authors of the OT that pen this and it is their view that their God may believe in them help them. Yet to many people the bible is divinely inspired. . . . . .

What kind of deist are you?. . . . .It seems you are yet to completely drop your Christian mindset and way of reasoning. . . .Its very obvious that your Christian upbringing still influences you greatly when it comes to the way you reason about God. . . . . .

If God speaks to Noetic I will like to know what language he uses and how his voice sounds. . . . . . .If God speaks to Noetic why then does God tell Noetic things that differ greatly from others who say God also speaks to them?. . . . .

And this. . . . . .

Israel inherited polytheism from late first-millennium Canaan, and Canaanite religion in turn had its roots in the religion of second-millennium Ugarit.  In the 2nd millennium, polytheism was expressed through the concepts of the divine council and the divine family, a single entity with four levels: the chief god and his wife (El and Asherah); the seventy divine children or "stars of El" (including Baal, Astarte, Anat, probably Resheph, as well as the sun-goddess Shapshu and the moon-god Yerak); the head helper of the divine household, Kothar wa-Hasis; and the servants of the divine household, including the messenger-gods who would later appear as the "angels" of the Hebrew bible.

In the earliest stage Yahweh was one of the seventy children of El, each of whom was the patron deity of one of the seventy nations. This is illustrated by the Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint texts of Deuteronomy 32:8-9, in which El, as the head of the divine assembly, gives each member of the divine family a nation of his own, "according to the number of the divine sons": Israel is the portion of Yahweh. The later Masoretic text, evidently uncomfortable with the polytheism expressed by the phrase, altered it to "according to the number of the children of Israel"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#History_of_Yahweh-worship_in_ancient_Israel_and_Judah

This very much explains why YHWH is worried about his "chosen people" worshiping other Gods even though he claimed to be the only God.

He was jealous of his bro-Gods and he admits it in the commandments in Exodus 20.

I have read about this topic here when it was once raised by pastorAIO, but I wasn't informed enough to comment on it. . . . .Until I did my own personal research, Now that I have more time, I would like to show, with appeal to scholarly sources and the biblical text, that Israel was not always monotheistic (as expressed in passages like Isaiah 44:6, Deuteronomy 32:39, and Isaiah 45:5), and previously took for granted the existence of other Gods in the bible. . . . . . .

Deuteronomy 32:8-9 reads

When the Most High apportioned the nations, when he divided humankind, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the gods; 9 Yahweh's own portion was his people, Jacob his allotted share.

We know from the Ugaritic (Ras Shamra) tablets that the Canaanite god El fathered 70 gods; this background informs about Deuteronomy 32:8-9.

Then I came across the article Ugarit and the Bible on theology.edu.

There is one Ugaritic text which seems to indicate that among the inhabitants of Ugarit, Yahweh was viewed as another son of El. KTU 1.1 IV 14 says:

sm . bny . yw . ilt

“The name of the son of god, Yahweh.”

This text seems to show that Yahweh was known at Ugarit, though not as the Lord but as one of the many sons of El.

The prophets of the Old Testament rail against Baal, Asherah and various other gods on nearly every page. The reason for this is simple to understand; the people of Israel worshipped these gods along with, and sometimes instead of, Yahweh, the God of Israel. This Biblical denunciation of these Canaanite gods received a fresh face when the Ugaritic texts were discovered, for at Ugarit these were the very gods that were worshipped.

El was the chief god at Ugarit. Yet El is also the name of God used in many of the Psalms for Yahweh; or at least that has been the presupposition among pious Christians. Yet when one reads these Psalms and the Ugaritic texts one sees that the very attributes for which Yahweh is acclaimed are the same for which El is acclaimed. In fact, these Psalms were most likely originally Ugaritic or Canaanite hymns to El which were simply adopted by Israel, much like the American National Anthem was set to a beer hall tune by Francis Scott Key. El is called the “father of men”, “creator”, and “creator of the creation”. These attributes are also granted Yahweh by the Old Testament.

For instances, read KTU 1. 2 I 13-32 and compare it to many of the Psalms. Also, read Ps 82:1, 89:6-8mn!).

In 1 Kings 22:19-22 we read of Yahweh meeting with his heavenly council. This is the very description of heaven which one finds in the Ugaritic texts. For in those texts the “sons of god” are the sons of El.

Other deities worshipped at Ugarit were El Shaddai, El Elyon, and El Berith. All of these names are applied to Yahweh by the writers of the Old Testament. What this means is that the Hebrew theologians adopted the titles of the Canaanite gods and attributed them to Yahweh in an effort to eliminate them. If Yahweh is all of these there is no need for the Canaanite gods to exist! This process is known as assimilation.

Besides the chief god at Ugarit there were also lesser gods, demons, and goddesses. The most important of these lesser gods were Baal (familiar to all readers of the Bible), Asherah (also familiar to readers of the Bible), Yam (the god of the sea) and Mot (the god of death). What is of great interest here is that Yam is the Hebrew word for sea and Mot is the Hebrew word for death! Is this because the Hebrews also adopted these Canaanite ideas as well? Most likely they did.

http://www.theology.edu/ugarbib.htm

Here is another very interesting piece from

In the Levantine pantheon, the Elohim are the 70 sons of El the Ancient of Days (Olam) assembled on the divine holy place, Mount Zephon (Jebel Aqra). This mountain, which lies in Syria, was regarded as a portal to its heavenly counterpart. The Elohim were originally ruled by El Elyon (God Most High), but He later hands His rule down to the god called Hadad who was known among the common people as "the master" ("Baal". Assembled on the holy mountain of heaven and ruled by one, the pantheon (Elohim) acts as one. The enemy of the Elohim is Yam ("the sea", a chaos monster slain by Baal. Each son was allocated to a specific people (e.g. Yahweh to Israel, Milcom to Moab etc.).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim#Canaanite_religion

It seems the ancient Jews got the idea of their God from previous civilizations, the Canaanites and others, no wonder to preserve do away with them, their God it was written told them to kill them all off and take all that belongs to them. . . . . .

seyibrown:
There seems to be quite some interference from mazaje! Please tell him in Hausa/Fulani/English to make that post his last unless this thread is open to everybody!

Keple ohhh, am out of here. . . . .

My point is the will of God argument with regards to the satan claim is completely pointless, people say satan is part of the will of God, if that is true that the satan hypothesis is part of the will of an omnipotent God, wouldn't it be a foregone conclusion already?. . . . .Satan is just the theist's explanation to say that shit happens in the natural world. . . . . . ,

^^^^

Am sorry but this does not answer the problem of evil at all, what about natural evil, like natural disasters?. . . . . .How does that help anybody? A parent will always protect his child from a stray bullet or a collapsing building when ever he/she can, no?. . . .

[quote author=Rhino.3dm link=topic=500505.msg6609057#msg6609057 date=1282324330]Mazaa! To yaya? Ka na shagalin ka.
Ta na mun wani gani gani ne, ka barta kawai,[/quote]Mazaaa! Harkan chilling ne kawai ne ka yi anan wurin. . . .Kai kiyale ta kawai, za ta ma hauka. . .Ba ri dai na zauna na ta kallon ku na sha dariya. . . ,

21 questions, ko? Yaushe ka zama 50cent?. . .Maza kenan. . . . . .

ogoamaka99:
That GOD is loving and compassionate in HIS dealing with men does not warrant our taking Him for granted. This is because those who took Him for granted in time past paid dearly for it _they were grounded and crushed. We say such example in the Bible in (Exodus 5 : 2). Pharaoh once said , "Who is the LORD that i should obey His voice to let Israel go?. I know not the LORD neither will i let Israel go". But when GOD showed up and dealt with him, he was quick to acknowledge the LORD and begged Israel to go [ Exodus 12 : 30-33 ].
     In [ Numbers 16 : 32-33 ] when Korah and his group messed up ,the earth opened up and swallowed them up and their houses, Also in vs 35 of the same Exodus 16 ," there came out fire from the LORD and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense. So be warned.
     As for the caption of this thread, GOD said it HIMSELF in [ Deut, 32 : 39 ] See now that i even i , am HE and there is no god with me: I KILL AND I MAKE ALIVE: I WOUND AND I HEAL: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand" In Deut. 32 vs 50, GOD proved what HE said by telling Moses to go up to mount Nebo and die there.
      Also [DEUT. 7 :9-10] said , "Know therefore that the LORD thy GOD, He is GOD, the faithful GOD, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love Him and keep His commandment to a thousand generations, "And repayeth them that HATE Him to their face, to destroy them: He will not be slack to him that HATES Him, He will repay him to his face." See also Deut 4: 24; 1 Samuel 2 :6
     So you in this forum that live the way you like in defiance of GOD's command, aGod'sose who make mockery at GOD and his anointed prophets, be warned.

I dare you God to kill me immediately I send this post, I want your God to use me as an example to show you and tout other deluded fellows that he is not imaginary. . . . . . Keep on deluding your self and hanging unto ridiculous myths of ancient savages. . . . . .

babaearly:
I've also been asking myself that question. But some of my mates will say there is a purpose why Satan is still alive? why would evil reign when an all-seeing power can just crush it in a minute so man can live in peace that is if Satan really exist?

The same question you asked was put forth by my man Robert Ingersoll long time ago. . . . . . .

Those who believe the Scriptures are compelled to say that this Devil was created by God, and that God knew when he created him just what he would do -- the exact measure of his success; knew that he would be a successful rival; knew that he would deceive and corrupt the children of men; knew that, by reason of this Devil, countless millions of human beings would suffer eternal torment in the prison of pain.  And this God also knew when he created the Devil, that he, God, would be compelled to leave his throne, to be born a babe in Palestine, and to suffer a cruel death. All this he knew when he created the Devil. Why did he create him? -- Robert Ingersoll


Satan is just used by the theologists to explain away the problem of evil, take the satan myth away and the story becomes meaningless. . . . .Theists will  always argue that their God's plan is not knowable to us nor is his logic behind such a plan. This gives them an excuse from coming up with any real answers to any of the questions we always ask them. . . . . .They are always good at pushing things to the realm of the unknown even though they are the ones to always make bizarre claims of special knowledge. . . . . . .

When you study religions properly you will realize that man has been worshiping nothing but himself, his fantasies and wishes. . . . . .