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Akwasi:
A question for all of you guys who are blaspheming. Can anyone of you, anyone at all give me a INTELLIGENT reason(s) why the Bible didn't burn?

Remember this is a real story and there were thousands of witnesses.

The same has happened to the koran, even dictionaries with hard cover, I know a university student  back in the days whose room was burnt down completely but his hard covered Webster dictionary was untouched by the fire, You know the way the bible is, the pages are many and are very tightly held together and most bibles have a hard cover, that could aid in it not burning down completely. . . .By the way the picture of the unburnt bible is not even on display on the site you got the news from. . .

Akwasi:
It has never failed. There has never been an exception. During my prayer sessions, whenever I imagine the FATHER on HIS throne, I begin to weep like a baby. This goes on even when my wife is around me. It will happen when I am praying with my fellow church members.

Has it happened to you before? The irony of the issue is whenever I finish crying, I feel this joy that is always reserved for those moments.

Please chip in if you have experienced this before.

May God bless you.

You imagine things up and still believe you are somehow in the presence of the lord, eh? Good for you. . .

cryptic:
This just depicts how shallow minded and dumb you are. If you take a look at that particular post, I subsequently talked about the said post. I said it was done for my younger brother who is resident in Nigeria.

You did not indicate that it was for your younger brother did you?. . . .

Now fool, if you are also smart, you'd find out that was the first post I made on Nairaland. Now take a look at when I became a member of Nairaland. I have been a member since 2005. I made that post for him because I felt this would be a better place to get up-to-date information about the mentioned school.

So what if you joined nairaland in 2005? How does that show that the post  and inquiry isn't yours?

I left naija when I was 15 with my elder sister who now lives in Tucson, AZ. Now fool, you said I made use of google and what have you. We all know that even with rich source of information on the internet, it would take a pretty smart person to read and understand.

When did I say you made use of google?. . . .If you are not smart and very dull others are not as dull as you are, others can easily read things and comprehend as long as they are truly interested in the topic or subject. . . .All I said was that there is a very rich information available on the net an anybody that truly wants to be educated or informed will utilize the resources that are available. . .

That is not the case for me. I only intelligently backed up my points with references.

Shut up, you did no such thing. . . .Look who is talking about intelligence   . . , I can not even put you and intelligence in the same sentence, you might be a lot of other things but intelligent is not one of them. . .

Now fool, if you are a sound graduate, answer the simple question I asked. Make use of google or whatever you wanna use to give me a concrete answer let's see how smart you are. Well, if you cannot do that, you could also ask tudor(Your master) to save your a$S. Just in case you wanna come up with some excuse about the question, here is it.

Bla bla bla sheep have you any wool?. . . . . .

How do these organic compounds form a protocell ? Did you do Organic Chemistry in school ? Ode

Respond to this post let's see how smart you are

You think I have time arguing with a dimwit like you over such complex issues?. . . .Wait, in four years when you have your degree your can come and we will argue. . .

MyJoe:
Howdy mazaje.
But don't you think these are legitimate questions? Since you don't know where the mountains and rain came from, does it make any sense to claim to believe there is no God?

Am very good bros, two days? How have you been doing?. . . . .They are indeed legitimate questions,As for rain and mountains we now know how they come about( we ow know about their formation, types, cycle etc). . . .Here is my personal take on this issue, to me what remains unknown remains unknown, substituting what we don't know with God has never helped us solved or understood anything at all. . .When diseases were thought to be caused by demons and devils life expectancy was low, now that we know what causes diseases life expectancy has increased and we now know how to better manage and control diseases if we put our acts together. . . . .When ever a supernatural hypothesis is put forward a natural explanation is found and people tend to accept the natural explanations more than the supernatural explanation, because the natural explanation is always self evident . . . .

To your question about God, to me God is just a concept and a hypothesis put forth by people for so many different reasons, reasons like explanation for how the universe and life came about, how people should conduct themselves and live their lives, Imperialism,  Source of hope in a very chaotic world and a sense of identity and culture. . . .The God hypothesis is a good one even though I believe it is a very flawed hypothesis. . .People are the ones that are always ascribing things unto Gods, no God has ever appeared to the entire planet and claimed anything to any body himself, Its always the elites and religious leaders making things up and ascribing to what ever concept of God they want or imagine. . . .

Even as an atheist I am still very baffled by what I see around me . . . .Nature is just incredible, Its chaotic, wasteful, violent and destructive and all but yet it is still incredible and well balanced so that even a crazy person that has lost his/her senses will be awed , Is there any reason to believe that there is any God behind it? To me the answer is no, because no God has ever appeared to any body personally and told him he created the universe and everything in nature we see around us, any body that says other wise is a LIAR. . . .No God has left his signature or name on anything that we have discovered in nature, we just see things that stun us and we very take a deep look and study them we just see that they are a result of mostly mindless forces acting on their own. . . .To me what is unknown remains unknown, because the God hypothesis has never objectively explained anything to anybody. . . . .Its always humans that self project themselves as God and tell others what to do, how to do it and what to believe or how to believe and they attach imaginary rewards or punishments to their various God hypothesis. . . .

cryptic:
Hehn Hehn. Mr.Dummy. Me an aspiring Biochemist ?

YES YOU. . .Here is your quote on the other jambites thread(You are not even a jambite cos you have not gained addmission into a university, I wish you luck though). . . . .

cryptic:
I scored 264 in Jamb and 161 in Post UTME. Chose Ife as my second choice and Biochemistry as My Choice Course. Any luck ?

As I aforementioned I wish you luck. . .

Can't you read in between the lines, or you need glasses. I am here to put an end to Tudor's(your master's) stupidity

But unfortunately for you, you were ONLY able to expose your own stupidity. . . . . .

Would an aspiring undergraduate intelligently defend arguments of this much sensitivity ? Go get a life dummy and think of something constructive to do with your time. See wetin I do your master here, https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=481018.msg6416794#msg6416794

Sure, why not? We are in the internet age and with tools like Google and Wikipedia you can very easily update yourself and know about things if you are really interested and truly want to learn. . .

Mumu.

Did you just call your name?

john david:
just leave God to handle those that defiled  his words his own way!

Which is his own way?. .In the bible trying to play with God's word or actions like trying to save the ark of covenant from falling will immediately get you killed. . . . .I thought the bible says that never changes?. , Its says God is the same yesterday, today and forever, no?. . . .

How many times have they fasted and prayed over the Jos crisis?. . . . . . . .

How many times have people personally seen Muslims completely burn down churches to ashes with humans and bibles inside in Kano and Jos? What is the OP talking about?. . . .I even have Muslims(friends and cousins) that use the Gideon's bible to wrap weed and smoke because the pages of the bible are just like wrizzler. . . . .Back in the days I use to silently pray to God to make them crazy and go insane for defiling  the pages of his words . . If only I had known better. . . . There are similar stories of houses burning down and koran remaining untouched etc. . . . .Any tale to further the delusions. . . .

cryptic:
I already decided I ain't coming back here to talk about this, but on a second thought, I decided to speak on this issue once more.I actually did carry out Miller's experiment with my partner back in Oregon as a project topic in Environmental Microbiology. It involved creating an environment that is thought to be typical of the primitive earth. We used Water, Methane, Ammonia and Hydrogen. We sealed the mixture of these gases in a sterilized array of glass tubes(The reason why we did this was because we needed to destroy all of the micro organisms that could be in those tubes). I don't wanna start coming up with all this chemistry Jargon as not everyone reading this is a Scientist.  Basically, these gases reacted to form Organic Compounds. A few % being Amino Acids. glycine and compounds like complex sugars, lipids(diglycerides, phospholipids) was also formed. We had to continually heat, condense these mixture of gases. We also made use of electrodes to induce ligtning .It took about 6 days for this reaction to be fully concluded.This is Chemistry still. Chemical Reaction of Compounds resulting into the formation of more complex compounds. I wanna ask a simple question. How do these organic compounds form a protocell ?(That is if you even know what that means) I am specifically asking you this question Tudor, as u seem to parade yourself as being the smartest person here.

What is this aspiring biochemistry student that is yet to gain admission into a Nigerian university saying? Are you lying again or did you conduct the "experiment" in your dreams?. . . . .

lagerwhenindoubt:
^^^^ While the discerning know that there is purpose in Religion (a set of social guidelines for daily living and lay understanding of the universe) they also know the limits of Religion and are careful not to tightly bind Religion to Reality-of-living or vice-versa.

Why there is sooooo much controversy with Religion is that it has always been tainted with the Poison of Dogma, Rituals and Ceremonies, obscured and obfuscated with the details of human mis-interpretation and clever twisting of Philosophical Truths for the purposes of Control and Self-Profit.

This is why wars spear-headed with a Religious agenda is ultimately exposed for its economic and political underpinnings, The reason why Religion has become a comfortable embellishment (clever deception) of the Truth.

But it has always been this way since early man looked up into the heavens and wondered how the clouds hung and what lightning and thunder meant  

True, what I just can't understand is why people are yet to grab that this religion thingy is all a man made sham? People keep referring to it as "truth" or "the right way". The question is what truth and right way to where? Its all a man made sham because there are many different and contradictory religious beliefs and even differing perspectives on what God is or wants within denominations of the same religion? Just as you said humans are conscious beings, once the ancient people began asking themselves where they came from and where the mountains and rain came from, religion and deities were born. . . .

SEATTLE - Conservative commentator Glenn Beck says he has been diagnosed with macular dystrophy, a progressive eye disorder that could cause him to go blind.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38315145

The crazy recovering addict is now going blind? Or is this another stunt from the recovering addict?. . . .Crazy conspiracy theorist. . .

oyb:
olaadegbu, becomerich of religion board

. . . . .This is a very true statement. . . . . .

Ruq:
@vedaxcool so you are so confident that Islam is the right way? What will a pastor tell you? Or is it possible God accepts all religion. Come to think of it even all this religions are borrowed. I wish we were left with our *beliefs*

There is no religion that is the "right way". . .Right way to where exactly?. . . .All religions were created out of the fear of the many and the cleverness of a few. . . . .Men created all religions and the proceeds of all religions. . . . .Religion is good because it gives people a sense of identity any thing beside that is pure bull. . . Religions are just a cultural way for people to express themselves and give themselves a form of  identity. It also serves as a means to spread other peoples culture and identity to others. . . .An African Muslim is nothing but some one that follows the Arabic culture that was created by Mohammed and his followers, an African Christian is nothing but someone that is following the culture created by the Greeks, Jews and Romans which was later coined into a religion and spread around. .  . . .If there is any God that created the universe and wants people to know  about his/her/its religion it will come natural, no body will have to be thought about that God's religion.  . . . . .

No body comes into this world with the knowledge of any God or any religion, parents and society MUST have to teach and indoctrinate a person about what ever religious beliefs they want the person to adhere to. . . .Babies come out of their mother wombs automatically knowing how to cry and sleep, no baby has ever come out of its mothers womb with the knowledge of any religion at all. . . .Most people believe one religion or the other because they want to delude themselves into thinking that their consciousness can command reality because they are not satisfied with reality in one way or the other. People are very primitive when it comes to deities and religions.

They manufacture Gods and religions for their own purposes and they want to believe that some kind of magic will alter the laws of physics to suit themselves or their communities. They want to inflate their own sense of power so they anthropomorphize a friendly deity that they can carry around in their heads that can be called upon when things get rough or a religion that flows with their wishes and aspirations and ascribe t what ever concept or idea of God that comes to their mind. They want to believe that reality will conform to their wills, even though they realize that the facts indicate quite the contrary. These people want a simple answer to a complex question, and they somehow think that by making up a story they will solve the problem. All they end up doing is substituting an unknowable for an unknown. . . . . .

I repeat there is no religion that will lead you to any truth because NO religion knows what is the truth. . . .We just have people creating stories(mythical), laws, directives and how they feel people ought to live their lives and pretending that they know what they don't even have an idea of. . .Pretending to know hings that you don't know is the life blood of all religions. . . .

Kobojunkie:
So let me see if I have this right. The man tells us that Religion and Tribe are tools our politicians use to destroy/play and control us, and many agree. However we are still here advocating for more divide along religious/tribal lines? Talk about having not just a few screws loose! ROFLMAO!!

Very well said.  .  . . . .The fact that the irony escapes most of the posters advocating for the division of Nigeria according to ethnic and religious lines is something that I can not really understand. . . . . . .

vedaxcool:
The Qur'an:

The Arabic world "Al-Qur'an" literally means "the recitation". When used in regards to Islam, the word Qur'an means God's final message to mankind that was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad. The Qu'ran, sometimes spelled Koran, is the literal the word of God - as it clearly says time and time again. Unlike other sacred scriptures, the Qur'an has been perfectly preserved in both its words and meaning in a living language. The Qu'ran is a living miracle in the Arabic language; and is know to be inimitable in its style, form and spiritual impact. God's final revelation to mankind, the Qur'an, was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad over a period of 23 years. The Qur'an, in contrast to many other religious books, was always thought to be the Word of God by those who believed in it, i.e. it wasn't something decreed by a religious council many years after being written. Also, the Qu'ran was recited publicly in front of both the Muslim and non-Muslim communities during the life of the Prophet Muhammad. The entire Qur'an was also completely written down in lifetime of the Prophet, and numerous companions of the Prophet memorized the entire Qur'an word-for-word as it was revealed. So unlike other scriptures, the Qur'an was always in the hands of the common believers, it was always thought to be God's word and, due to wide-spread memorization, it was perfectly preserved. In regards to the teachings of the Qur'an - it is a universal scripture, and it is addressed to all of mankind, and not to a particular tribe or "chosen people". The message that it brings is nothing new, but the same message of all of the prophets - submit to Almighty God and worship Him alone. As such, God's revelation in the Qur'an focuses on teaching human beings the importance of believing in the Unity of God and framing their lives around the guidance which He has sent. Additionally, the Qur'an contains the stories of the previous prophets, such as Abraham, Noah, Moses and Jesus; as well as many commands and prohibitions from God. In modern times in which so many people are caught up in doubt, spiritual despair and "political correctness", the Qur'anic teachings offer solutions to the emptiness of our lives and the turmoil that is gripping the world today. In short, the Qur'an is the book of guidance par excellence.

. . . . .LWKMD. . . . .

Its very funny to see an atheist (Tudor) displaying a better understanding and knowledge of the bible than the Christians we have here. . . . .How can people not see that this self acclaimed men of God like pastor Adeboye, pastor Chris are nothing but thieves?. . . . .But the fact remains when it comes to religion people are way too deluded, most people throw their reasoning and logic off the window and embrace the lies and stupidity of con men that do not know anything better than them. . . . . . .

^^^^

Does this image of yours portray the Nigerian public school system? . . . .

Tudor my man you and now the devil, eh. . . . . . . . . . .The OP said you appeared 3 times on his thread. , LWKMD. . . . .

Romeo4real:
If you can reason logically(which you obviously cant), then you will be able to see the fallacy in using something you claim to be false, to prove that which you claim to be true.

You can use peoples false assertions to show that their assertions are false, no? And you talk about reasoning logically as if you have any idea of what logic means. . . .  .

Can you please then enlighten us from whence your idea of God came from - oh i forgot, you say you are an atheist, but you believe there is a "God",or "many Gods", or "Oneness of Infinity", or whatever, and its definitely not the God of the Bible. How very confused.

Are you high on cow dung? Me believe that there are Gods that exist? Since when did I tel you that I believe in the existence of any God, You call me an atheist and claim I believe in the existence of Gods?. . . . . . .Of course Gods exist in stories and in the minds of people that believe in the stories and myths no?. . . .Talking about being confused.  .

Point is Mazaje, if these "acts of lying" as you put it were not in the Bible, would you still believe in it? NO. So quit yapping on about it. It matters not much.

Shut up, you guys go about claiming that your own God is the ultimate source of morality and when we look into his alleged book or words we see him displaying that he has no idea of what morality is talk more of being the ultimate source of morality. . . .

Tudor is too Dull and and he or she is a nonentity of the highest repute.
Just let me get your number if u will not die 2nite

He or she Dared God of all religion.
I have changed my mind,She goes 2nite, without number

Who is this foooool threatening Tudor with death?. . . . . .

That is not an erect peniiis, I wonder why people are saying his dicck is very small. . . .Who ever did this to him really got him sha, them guys need to stop sleeping around with random girls all the time. . . ,

I doubt if this letter is real. , . . . . .

Jenwitemi:
Nigerians themselves are their own greatest obstacles. Religions and God(s) are just their instruments of self-hindrance. That is why they are now fervently looking up in the sky waiting for the end of the world that would herald in their mythical jewish hippie or the arabian normad to drop from the sky and save them from their own stupidity and immaturity. Totally pathetice lot, they are.

O boi you dey vex ohhh. . . . .

Nopuqeater What exactly are you saying? Your posts make NO sense at all.

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=478028.msg6382134#msg6382134 date=1279085564]If you knew anything about Christianity at all, you'd know it is based on the NT, not the old. Judaism is based on the OT. If you want to try and hold modern Christians responsible for what a few people did centuries ago, knock yourself out. No sensible or honest person would. And no 'defence' or explanations are due you from people who did not write the old testament. If you've issues with it, take it up with the authors. [/quote]Funny how some Christians are throwing their God and his Chosen men under the bus. . . .According to them they wrote down that their God was with them with his mighty sword of slaughter telling them to go and kill unbelievers and take over their lands, women and property, no? Why accept the NT and discard the OT? Even the NT is not too different from the OT God , no, Remember it was written that he instantly killed Herod and Ananias and his wife for provoking him, no?

Christians: Jesus is a man of peace

Jesus: Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Nawah for naija ohhhh. . .

Do people really need to know about the inquisition? All the need to do is to READ the bible, Half of it is filled with Yahweh supporting and sanctioning violence(murder, rape, pillage and sacrificing other cities and its inhabitants as burnt offering unto Yahweh) against other people for reasons like worshiping other Gods, or because they are not his chosen people etc. . . .You don't need the inquisition, just read the bible. . .

lagerwhenindoubt:
Islam is the one true religion, what is wrong with that, he did not say it is the way of life. so unless you are addicted to one brand of religion you will not have any problems, it is like saying mex cocaine is the one true cocaine in the world

Or that Nigerian beer is the one true beer. . . .Funny assumption from the OP. . .If Islam means peace when are Muslims always fighting for Allah?

ogoamaka99:
All the atheists in this Forum, could you folks kindly explain to us how their life originated,ie the origin of life in this planet earth?. Mazaje said that he don't know how life originated. Manmustwac said that his own life originated from his ancestors -homo sapiens even though he failed to tell us how his ancestors got their own life.

Now we are back to the origin of life thingy, eh?. . .  .I don't know how life began and I don't care since no one seems to know. You don't know either, you only pretend to take other peoples assumptions as knowledge which by the way is not, declaring that your version of God alone created the universe and life is an ASSUMPTION since you have absolutely NO evidence whatsoever to show for it beside your assumptions and claims. . .Humans look around and are impressed that they're alive and there is such things as perception and consciousness.
They don't want to die.
They really want to believe that they will escape death.
They think that something incomprehensibly powerful would have to account for what they can't even begin to explain (which has seriously been shrinking over the centuries without needing any God ).

If humans grow up around Christians, the odds are very high that they will become Christians. Replace Christians with "Muslims", "Jews", "Hindus", "Buddhist" or whatever and you have people worshiping a concept, an idea and a culture that was created by other people and their superstitions.
Thus, they believe that there is a God, a such a God must surely be the God of the religion they were born into most of the time (Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu, Zeus, etc.).  

THIS IS AN OPEN CHALANGE TO ALL THE ATHEISTS IN THIS FORUM , TO PROVE TO US THE ORIGIN OF THEIR LIFE AND HOW THEY CAME TO THIS EARTH?.This question is very important for them to answer us since they deny that GOD did not exist and that GOD did not create them.

Since when have you proven that your own version of God created anything?. . . . .I deny that God exist, if you can point to any God that exist o its own independent of what humans chose to write or says about it, human influence and human cultural acceptance I will believe you, saying that God created without pointing to such a God or allowing it to speak for it self says you are lying, no?. . . . .If your God exist as you want us to believe you think you will be the be trying to make its case for it?. . . .Was your God not addressing people the Jews through public speech in the bible?. . .As usual your God like ALL other Gods is only able to do wonders in the pages of books written by men about him?. . . . .

Mudley313:
I think when you mention "spirituality" in regards to Africans you actually mean SUPERSTITUTION

This na true talk. . . .

Religion does three things quite effectively: divides people, controls people, and deludes people. (Carlespie McKinney)