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philip0906:
Man,I'm tired o.Muslims,atheists et al attack the BEST SELLING BOOK of all time looking 4 errors. . .I have always wondered 2 y these atheists,can't sell us what they've got.All they do 4 a life,is attack d Bible they don't believe either and don't want 2 believe.

So what if the bible is the best selling book of all time? How does that make its assertions any better than that of the Koran or Harry Porter?. . .By the way a lot of Christians also attack the Koran a book they don't also believe in,no?

seyibrown:
mazaje,

If what you are very certain that what you hold on to will take you to your destination, why do you waste time searching for 'presumed errors' contained in a gospel you do not believe in?

Didn't see where philip claimed that there are no contradiction in the bible? All I did was show him that there are so many and I went ahead and listed just a few. . . . . . .

Why don't you instead sell us what you've got? Share your 'ways' with us and see if it'll may be make sense to us! Tell us what makes you tick; tell us what you live for!

I don't have a way, nothing makes me tick and I live for so many things. . . . . . .

philip0906:
Utter rubbish. . .u now want 2 force me into been u?Like I posted on d other site,even atheists were found in a survey 2 admit that they "Believed in God". . .So even if I was taught to believe,I have reached a stage where I decide what I want and I have no doubts whatsoever,dat THERE IS GOD. . .so live with it

Atheist believe in God, eh? . . . . .Is it everything that you read that you believe?. . . . .So because an article says something that means it must be true, eh?. . . .Since when?

philip0906:
Yes they could have doubted him.If they could physically see Jesus and still doubt him,someone they had been with all their life.Jesus even had 2 show them his palms to clear their doubt in John20:20"and when he said so,he showed them his hands and his side.Then were the disciples glad when they saw d Lord". . .So its very clear,dat his physical appearance did not convince them,not until he showed them his hands and side

We are talking about his first appearance, if they had seen him before as your apologist will want us to believe then some of the 11 would not have doubted him because he had appeared to them before, no?

philip0906:
U r still hitting your head on a brick wall. . .Kindly explain 2 me what u mean by "christian God"?I have been a christian 4rm small and have always known there is a God.

You have NOT always known that there is a God, you were taught to believe that there is a God. . . . . .

Its here on nland I am seeing "christian God" Man,atheists ain't as fast as they claim 2 be.In my Bible,I never saw anything lke "Christian God",so its definitely a term coined by desperate beings.So I am waiting for u 2 explain 2 me d concept of "Christian God".

Even the bible refers to Yahweh as the God of Israel so what the heck are you saying?. . . ,

philip0906:
[size=28pt]God indeed exists[/size]
I shall always be convinced that a watch proves a watchmaker, and that a universe proves a God. - Voltaire

The universe is evidence for the universe and NOT for any God. . . . .There is no reason at at all to believe that the universe must behave like a human society where everything must have a maker, the universe is NOT a human society. . . . .

Here we have the saying of an great influential thinker, who was by no means a Christian. Multitudes of great minds have believed and do believe in God's existence, but today some would have us think that belief in God is illogical, foolish and incompatible with observable facts.

Is there anything that we see around that has the signature of any God on it? Why attribute the unknown causes to some mythical deity?. . ,

Where does the Universe come from? Atheists have generally claimed that it always existed. But this would mean that an infinite number of events have already taken place until now. In mathematics, however, infinite numbers lead to a contradiction. For example, what is infinity minus infinity? No infinite number can therefore exist in reality. Hence the Universe cannot be infinitely old.

The universe as we know it has been shown to come from a singularity. . . . . .The universe started to expand at some point from a singularity and a singularity is something, it not NOTHING. . . . . .Infinite numbers can not exist but infinite Gods can exist, eh?. . . . .By the way what is a number? Numbers do NOT exist in reality, they are just a representation of things or events so your nonsense arguments begs the question. . . .

The best astronomical evidence we have today indicates the age of the Universe to be around 15 billion years, give or take a few billion. This is pretty embarrassing for atheists, since it means that the Physical Universe has not always existed.

The universe is an extension of a singularity, so how was the universe not in existence since it only began to expand at some point(15 billion years ago)

So how did the Universe come into being? Did it all just pop into existence out of nothing for no reason whatsoever? Is that plausible? Would you believe me, for example, if I told you that my computer just appeared out of nothing? The most plausible solution is that an all-powerful entity that has existence also outside of space and time was the First Cause for our Universe. This First Cause is what we refer to as God.

Who said that the universe just popped into existence just like that?. . . . .  . .

But Who Made God?

Humans made all the Gods the worship. . . . .

Some argue that the cosmological argument proves nothing, for if the existence of complexity and order in the Universe proves the existence of God, then the existence of God proves that there must have been someone even greater who made God.

So far NO body has shown or proven that the universe was created, if you know any body that has shown that the universe was created pls let me know. . . .

Not necessarily, because God's existence is not rooted firstly in the material universe. He existed outside of it in another realm before the Physical Universe existed. The laws of that realm we have no knowledge about and we cannot impose the rules of our natural realm on that other realm.

If you read the bible you will see where it says that their God used to live with them inside a box called an ark of covenant. . . .By the way why is it that you guys love pushing your various Gods to the realm of the unknown?

Actually, something had to exist for all eternity. Theists believe that God always existed. Materialists would like to believe that the physical universe always existed. Materialists argue that the "hypothesis of God" is unnecessary - you may as well just believe that the Universe always existed. But this idea, as we have seen, has both logical and scientific problems.

. . . . .Really?. . . . .

philip0906:
Matthew's account does not say that this was Jesus' first appearance. It is certainly possible that Matthew simply passes over the earlier appearances and focuses on the call to go into Galilee. In fact, notice how Matthew's account is not exhaustive. In 28:16, he mentions that Jesus had indicated what mountain in Galilee the disciples were to go to, yet he does not mention this when he quotes Jesus in verse 10.

No it is NOT possible at all. That is just nonsense apologetics from you or the apologist you copied from. . . .If you read the verse you will VERY clearly see that it was talking about Jesus first appearance to his disciples in the book of Matthew.


Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: [size=18pt]but some doubted[/size].

If it wasn't his first appearance why did some of the 11 disciples doubt? If he had appeared to them earlier, they wouldn't doubt him, will they? Stop making your own gospels by lying to yourself, just accept what was written down and stop making excuses for the nonsense that was written down by UNKNOWN men. . .  . .

philip0906:
[size=28pt]Some U.S. atheists seem to be confused, Pew survey shows[/size]


There seems to be some confusion among self-described U.S. atheists, at least according to the second part of the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life’s monumental “U.S. Religious Landscape Survey” that was issued today.

It found that 92 percent of Americans believe in God or a universal spirit, with 71 percent of those surveyed saying they were “absolutely certain” on this score.

Curiously, more than one fifth — 21 percent — of those who counted themselves as atheists said they believed in God while eight percent expressed absolute certainty about this state of affairs.

One thing does seem absolutely certain: at least a few U.S. atheists must be confused.

My “Dictionary of Beliefs and Religions” (Wordsworth Reference Series, 1992) begins its definition of the word “atheism” in the following manner: “The denial of the existence of God or gods.”

One wonders what dyed-in-the-wool atheists like Christopher Hitchens – no confusion about his stance — would say about this lot. Probably nothing very kind.

Among U.S. agnostics, 55 percent professed a belief in God and 17 percent were absolutely certain. The dictionary cited above though says that a defining characteristic of an agnostic is that they “claim ignorance” on such matters and so one wonders how they can be so certain.

America’s high levels of belief and spiritual devotion do set it apart from most affluent nations, a trait that is often commented on. But could it be that its levels of “belief” are also higher among “unbelievers?”

Talk about confusion! What do you think of results like this?
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/

. . . . .It seems you are tired of copying and pasting explanations for biblical errors and contradictions. . . .

Ok here are more biblical errors and contradictions. . . . .

Whom did they see at the tomb?

MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man [/b]sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

LUK 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, [b]two men stood by them [/b]in shining garments:

JOH 20:12 [b]And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

philip0906:
So dats how 2 counter?MAn stop screaming d heck about this "apologist" site. . .where did u expect 2 get good answers?Islamic sites?News sites?Atheistic sites? Man stop running around,all u have 2 do is counter(wether copy and paste or not)

The person whose explanations you posted does NOT know what he is talking about he even cited copyist error as a possible explanation amongst so many other rationalizations. . . . How do you expect me to take such a person seriously?. . . . .For a Christian to note the contradictions of the bible, I feel, would be for them to note the fallacy of their religion.

More contradictions and nonsense

Where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples?  In a room in Jerusalem.  Luke 24:32-37  On a mountain in Galilee.  Matthew 28:15-17

Even the alleged disciples of Jesus can not even agree on where Jesus first appeared to them after he was raised from the dead according to the story. . . . . .

philip0906:
Matthew 27:9–10
Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, “And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the value of Him who was priced, whom they of the children of Israel priced, and gave them for the potter’s field, as the LORD directed me.”

The quotation about the thirty pieces of silver is highly reminiscent of Zechariah, and it is, therefore, assumed that Matthew made a mistake. If Matthew did make a mistake, then the concept of scriptural inerrancy is undermined.

The most significant error that the skeptics make is to approach this passage deliberately looking for an error. If we look at the passage, while assuming scriptural inerrancy, we can see that there are several rationalizations of the alleged problem that have been discussed over the years. In short they are:

1. Said by Jeremiah but later written by Zechariah
2. Zechariah’s second name is Jeremiah, like “Simon Peter” for Peter
3. Copyist mistake, but the Syriac and Persian versions have no prophet listed and all the Greek versions do
4. This is quoting from an apocryphal work of Jeremiah, like Jude quoting from Enoch
5. The last four chapters of Zechariah were actually written by Jeremiah
6. Due to a different order of books in the Jewish canon, Jeremiah could be given proper credit for any of the minor prophets
7. This passage refers to both sections of Jeremiah and Zechariah, and only Jeremiah is mentioned

Stop copying and pasting the apologies of people that are NOT even sure of what they are saying, the apologist whose work you posted is NOT even sure, he just gave a list of many many things JUST to rationalize the obvious contradiction and error. . . . .He talked about a long list of rationalizations including copyist mistakes . . . . . .Any way it always good to lie for Jesus because even Paul himself said its OK to tell lies on behalf of God. . . . .

More biblical contradictions. . . . . .

Jesus' last words according to three different books of the Bible.

Matthew 27:46 and 50: And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" , Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

Luke 23:46: And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

John 19:30: When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

So which is it?  Which verse has the correct last words of Jesus?  For an event that supposedly happened no one could agree on what Jesus said before he died. So much for eyewitness account. . . . .

More contradictions. . . . . . .

God was seen

Genesis 17:1

1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, [size=18pt]the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him,[/size] I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Genesis 18:1

1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day

Exodus 24:9-11

9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:

10 [size=18pt]And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.[/size]

11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Exodus 33:11

11 [size=18pt]And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend[/size]. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.


God has never been seen

Exodus 33:20

20 And he said, [size=18pt]Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live[/size].

John 1:18

18 [size=18pt]No man hath seen God at any time[/size], the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 5:37

37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

John 6:46

46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.


So which is it? The God of the bible was seen or God was not seen? The Bible says both. . . . . . .

More biblical errors and contradictions. . . . .

Mark 2:25-26

25 - "And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?"

26 - "How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?"


1 Samuel 21:1 and 6
1 - "Then came David to Nob to Ahimelech the priest: and Ahimelech was afraid at the meeting of David, and said unto him, Why art thou alone, and no man with thee?"

6 - "So the priest gave him hallowed bread: for there was no bread there but the shewbread, that was taken from before the LORD, to put hot bread in the day when it was taken away."

philip0906:
@Mazaje
First hope your doubts about the first has been cleared?

Which doubt?. . . . . . . . . There are so many English translation of the bible(over 80) and all they do is mix things up and make the passage to say what ever they translators want it to say. . . . . .The amplified version of the bible is one of the most fraudulent translation of the English bible. . . .

Here is another one. . . . . . .


If you read the four gospels you may notice that Matthew is somewhat obsessed with mentioning that this and that happened to "fulfill what was written by X prophet".

What is particularly interesting is that in his eagerness to do this prophecy matching, he attributed this quote to the wrong prophet!

Matthew 27:9

"Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;"


So, according to Matthew, Jeremiah has to have some paragraphs in his writing that match Matthew's claims. The problem is that you cannot find anything like that written by Jeremiah. But then you suddenly find this quote in the book of Zechariah!


Zechariah 11:12-13

12 "And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver."
13 "And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD."

So, what about it? This is simply a human error, humans are not perfect, you  guys say.

And I say, exactly, because the bible is a book written by humans, not by any God, nor inspired by any God, as you Christians claim. Thus, it's full of contradictions, errors and inaccuracies.

philip0906:
Was about replying but Ttalks said it all.Only an ignoramus who reads half of d Bible would ask dat question.The Bible is not contradictory at all,just people who read part and Blindly ignore d other part. . .Remain blessed all

The contradictions.

Here are a few;

"God is love." - 1 John 4:8
"Love is not jealous." - 1 Corinthians 13:4
"God is jealous." - Exodus 20:5
Psalm 79:5
5 How long, O LORD ? Will you be angry forever?
      How long will your jealousy burn like fire?

Joel 2:18
The LORD's Answer
18 Then the LORD will be jealous for his land
      and take pity on his people.

ttalks:
Read this:

Rom 3:7-8(AMP)
(7)  But [you say] if through my falsehood God's integrity is magnified and advertised and abounds to His glory, why am I still being judged as a sinner?
(  And why should we not do evil that good may come?--as some slanderously charge us with teaching. Such [false teaching] is justly condemned by them.

Rom 3:7-8(CEV)
(7)  Since your lies bring great honor to God by showing how truthful he is, you may ask why God still says you are a sinner.
(  You might as well say, "Let's do something evil, so that something good will come of it!" Some people even claim that we are saying this. But God is fair and will judge them as well.

The name of the GAME is change the language and translate it differently if you don't like what was written originally. . . .

yommyuk:
Are u happy now? So u are feeling cool eh? All you are doing is letting out steam of frustration.
Lost soul. Satan is waiting for your arse in hell rude boy

How will your delusion continue without the satan and hell myth, of course you need to have a place where you and your deluded ego will go to and enjoy for all eternity while those that do not subscribe to your delusions will go some where else and suffer for ever for not accepting your mythical narratives. . . . .So much for me letting out my steam of frustration. . . . . . .

Store up that steam ok, becos Hell fire is going to be hotter. That thick head of yours which satan has covered with spiritual darkness will burn so tey, mummy and daddy won't be able to help u out. And that tongue that u re using to blaspleme will melt like candle in hell. This is not a curse but a reality check. LOST ONE!

As for me, don't worry I am on the right path.
Not too late bro

Bla bla bla bla. . . . . .Hell remains a myth and the fact that you want those that do not subscribe to your delusional beliefs and mythology to end up there and suffer for ever says so much about you, your character and how crazy your delusional beliefs is making you view the world and people around. Wanting people to suffer just because they do not share your world view says so much about you not me. . . . .delusional goon. . . .

philip0906:
says youu r now speaking 4 me?feeling God ain't in my head broda,if u haven't felt God,I have personally felt him right 4rm d age of 5,so don't teach me anything.Its u atheists dat feel whatever in your "heads" ;

Now you only feel God in your head, eh? Is it not the same God that was written to be going about addressing the primitive Jews through public speech? Did he suddenly run away now that men have become more knowledgeble and more advanced?. . . . . .So much for in my head. . . . . . .Moslems also feel Allah's presence in their heads, no?

DI love dat bolded part.It goes 2 show how "confused" u atheists can be.Go and read about all atheists,scientists,u'll get d drift.NO one has proved dat God does not exist.

Are you sure? So God exist, eh? Since when has any one ever shown that any God exist?


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.There r lots of archeological evidences on ground 2 show that those "men" were not writing stories. .

Where is the archeological evidences that shows that any of the biblical stories really happened? Stories like the exodus, and the conquest of Canaan to name just a few. . . .

.u doubt it?then I'll simply refer u 2 d other thread,or I could put 'em up 4 u here and even more since u love sending errands ;DU r wrong man. . .muslims,hindus believe in "spiritual matters" not 2 talk of Christians,so add up d population of all these and u r damn wrong.I wonder where u get your stats 4rm.From your "brain" I guess ;DDon't push me around man. . .I have simply told u what 2 do I have met your type b4. . .I

Muslims do not believe in your own version of God and as far as they know your God does not exist. . . . . .

googled something about atheists yesterday and I was refered 2 a site (cbs I guess) where a woman and her baby in d U.S had a miraculous "recovery" after being certified "dead". . .Now I'm telling u this,2 simply show u dat evidences abound,but if u want me 2 tell u d street number and flat number of d person billydkid was talking of,I won't be pushed around by "atheists",never. . .I have my own evidences and I have given u an example

Certified dead? Don't you know that doctors are humans and they also make mistakes? A lot of people have been decleared dead when they were not actually dead. . . .So errors like that do happen in the medical profession. . . . .

richbigman:
God is about to send darkness to anyone who fail to observe 8 days fasting and prayers to avert calamity.Becos God anger is upon all sinner in this world.God reveal this to me (Kenneth Osuji) in my dream. it a reality. Pls help to send this message to your love ones home n abroad

Another DELUDED fellow. . . . .

^^

You guys always claim that you know who God is, Is God male? How do you know that he is male? Have you ever seen him or heard his voice? How you you know that God is male? Is it because it was ignorant primitive MEN that introduced and created the God concept and idea? If it were women that invented the concept and idea, God will be a woman, no?. . . . . . .Deluded people. . . .

philip0906:
Mazaje in d house again with his usual "half-baked" questions and "illogical" assumptions. . .u like going round d corner 2 make your points.billydkidd,made some real good points,dat can be asserted by many,including me.All u have 2 do,is go c how true,not sending errands or trying d "feeding bottle" style.

Billdkidd made no point at all. . . . . . .He just came around saying things that are NOT true. . . . . .

I have never seen God,but billions have felt him and felt his presence.Have u ever felt d "big bang" not 2 talk of seeing it?what stops d big bang 4rm occuring 2day,since it is a random thing?just like your cohorts told us we evolved 4rm monkeys,yet monkeys have gone extinct and so cannot evolve again?

What is this?. . . .You claim you have never seen God, and I know you have never heard from any God, you ONLY believe because you have been made to believe, no body has ever come into this world with the automatic knowledge of any God, people have to be thought about the version of God that is been acceptable in their society or culture. . . . .Feeling God is all in your head just as many have felt aliens and have been abducted by aliens. . . . .Muslims feel Allah just as Hindus feel their own Hindu Gods ,no?. . . .By the way you don't even know anything about evolution because LOT of Christians believe in evolution go figure. . . . . .Now there are people that label themselves as theistic evolutionist. . . .

But u believe stephen hawking assumptions?u believe d inconsistencies dat science gives?

At least science has never claimed to be all knowing, but you believe in the words of man that have been shown to be false so many times who claim that they have some special knowledge from some unknown all knowing deity, no?

and what evidences have your cohorts provided?all d so-called assumptions contradict themselves,even stephen hawking has contradicted himselfand your evidence 2 show there is no spiritual matter is what?2billion plus people including me,know and have felt it that there is a spiritual matter,so how d'u disprove it?

So your evidence for spiritual matter is what you feel and what you believe?. . . .More than 4 billion people do not believe in your spiritual matter or the version of your spiritual matter hypothesis, so if we are to go with numbers it means you are on the wrong side, no?

typical u.look around u,u'll c,cos I have seen hundreds of similar cases with my own eyes,even here on nland and on d journals.

Why is it so hard for you? Just tell me the name of the person and the adress s that we can verify and know that you are NOT lying? People are known for always telling lies on behalf of their Gods and religion all the time, so i Just want to know if you are not lying, which is what most of you guys d ALL the time. . . . .(fake miracles and all)

dats what u do best,sending people on errands.U have google with u,u could simply check it up.Infact,u might not c this particular one,but numeerous others,in nigeria and beyond 2 u its a lie,but 2 us we have felt it and seen in with our own very eyes. . .your being alive 2day,is your own testimony and not a lie ;

My friend stop telling lies, do you have any verifiable evidence for any of your assertions, yes or no?

billydkidd:
Testimonies abound everyday, e.g the incidences of good and evil, the miracles that we see everyday, dreams, sorcery, the invocation of spirits, visions and transfigurations etc, etc.

Testimonies or LIES, Can you put your money where you mouth is?

A man dies and is medically certified dead. A true prophet comes along, says a prayer then places his hand on the man and the man rises, comes back to life. How will a Hawking explain this? I reckon he will say 'LUCKY COINCIDENCE.'

I want you to tell us the name of the man, how long he died, name of the hospital that declared him dead and the name of the so called man of God that brought him back to life. . . . .

A woman has been medically certified to be incapable of giving birth and so has been childless for 15 or more years. A true prophet comes along, prays to God and asks her to fast for some days. Within the next 30 days, the woman conceives for the 1st time ever and later delivers a baby. How will a Hawking explain this? I reckon he will say 'LUCKY COINCIDENCE.'

Name of woman and her medical records will do, blind assertions means you are telling lies, no?. . . . .

A mad man tormented by demons (invisible evil spirits) for many years wanders around unclothed, shouting and hallucinating. A true prophet of God sees him, prays and commands the spirits to leave him and enter the oceans. Immmediately, madness leaves the man and he comes to his senses.How will a Hawking explain this? I reckon he will say 'LUCKY COINCIDENCE.'

Name of the mad man that was tormented by the mythical evil spirits and evidence to show that he was on the streets for many years will do. . . .

The fact is, our world or the universe is made up of the PHYSICAL MATTER (Physics, Chemistry and Biology) & THE SPIRITUAL MATTER. The spiritual far supercedes and takes pre-eminence over the physical. Unlike the physical, the SPIRITUAL is amorphous,dimensionless, invisible and sublime. How then can the visible explain the invisible?

You are just regurgitating stuffs you don't even know, WHAT is the spiritual matter? Your evidence to show that there is spiritual matter other than your delusional beliefs is WHAT?. . . . . . .

Indeed, what is Physics? Physics is the study of the fundamental qualities of energy and the properties of the non - living matter. So, how can a physicist, through his narrow prism of studying the 'dead' matter understand life itself, not to talk of the spiritual? Is it through his telescope or lens that he will see the spirits? Stephen Hawking is nothing, but a huge joke!

ACTUALLY the HUGE JOKE is you who keeps asserting stuffs you can NOT provide any evidence for? Your evidence for any spiritual entity creating the Universe is WHAT? Absence of evidence s evidence of absences. . . . ,

But let us look at the life of Stephen Hawking himself, the great physicist who 'understands' the universe: This is a man that has been atrophied from birth, that is, the parts of his body has been wasting away one by one since he was 20 years old. He currently cannot speak and so has to use artificial synthesisers to converts his thoughts to speech on the computer screen. See, a physician that has been unable to remove the log from his own eyes, now trying to remove the log from other people's eyes.

What is this?. . . . . . . .

But God has said it all, except that we will NEVER listen. God said, we should never seek His mystery, but that we should always strive to seek His face.

When did any God say that? Unless if you are saying that the writers of the bible who are men are your God. . . . . . .Saying that God said without providing the God that says so means you are lying, no? God says is nothing other than I want you to believe me. . . . .

If only Stephen Hawking can (for once) repent and seek the face of God, then and only then will he (truly) understand the UNIVERSE & ITS CREATOR, THE SUPREME GOD - THE GOD OF YESTERDAY, TODAY & FOREVER.

A simple reading of the bible says that the God it talks about evolved a lot of times and has never been the same. . . . .Have you ever seen the face of God? How does it look like?

See the ridiculous and delusional hypocrisy that is on display here, some people here are busy saying that Hawkings is only a man so he has no authority on anything when it comes to the knowledge of the creation of the universe which I believe is true, but the same people also believe the words of unknown primitive men who said that their God created the earth with plants and water in it before the sun and the other stars, how ridiculous can that be? Hawkings is a man, yes, but so are all the writers of the bible and their lies, no?

yommyuk:
Nice
I will call it unfortunate, ridiculous and pitiful

Pity yourself and your blind beliefs in the baseless and ridiculous myths and Jewish folklore that you have been systematically indoctrinated to believe in since childhood and not me.  . .

The Christian faith is being challenged and u call that nice? Hmm God forgive u!!!
Do u guys know the meaning of faith at all. Surely not. Even witches and wizards acknowledge the existence of God. Even satan your father acknowledges his existence.

What the heck is faith apart from believing some set of cleverly packaged lies that were clearly assembled as some form of "truth" ONLY because you have been indoctrinated long enough to accept those lies. . . . .What the heck is satan? Have you ever seen him, how does he looks like?, what language does he speak? The people here are talking about reality and its possibilities while you are busy banding one myth after the other, what has the satan myth got to do with what is being discussed here?. . . . . .Point to the existence of satan of forever shut you mouth. . . . .

As christians, "Faith" to us is having confidence that what we hope for will actually happen. Giving us assurance about things we CANNOT SEE.
This is not a feel good factor. Nay! Instead Faith to us involves CONFIDENT ACTION in RESPONSE to what God has made known to us by the Holy Spirit. Faith comes into play in a variety of life's circumstances. The results of faith are also various. Some people get rescued, acheive success in life, and get some of what GOD has promised in their lifetimes. Multiple instances. Things that happen beyond ones capability and comprehension.

You ONLY believe or have "faith" because you have been indoctrinated and made to believe a set of rules and lifestyle that was invented by other men like you, nothing more, your faith is completely delusional as long as reality is concerned . . .

You may ask me "What does it mean to live by faith?" or is this posting relevant to the topic discussed above. But I put it before you ,We live out our belief "that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him" Those who live by faith take confident action based on what God has revealed about his character, seeking to do his will in all things.

Whose will are u lot advocating? The truth lies within you and that is the "Breath of Life" God gave u without no charge. 

When did any God personally appear to you and told you that he revealed anything to any body, you just accept the lies that other have told you and have been telling all the time, no?. . . .By the way I don't see the point of worshiping a being that is the product of the human psyche. A personal savior God is an idea that man has created to overcome his fear of death and to avoid the non-being of his ego. A way to escape the reality of today into the expectation of an imaginary everlasting future. That is why I don't believe in the idea of a personal creator God who promises eternal life, because in actuality, doing so is a defense mechanism people use to fool our temporary egos into believing that they can really exist forever in some paradise. I guess I don't believe in your God because I see myself for what I truly am, that is a finite being whose true nature transcends his ego and all it's ideas. I don't need to live in heaven for all eternity because I am living today, and one can't really expect much more than that.

Agnostic Deism, hmmmm, nice!. . . . . .I like this thread. . . . .

Happy birthday to you deepsight, and may the years ahead be very good to you. . , . . .

Its very funny how as we continue to discover that the universe is VERY complex, people continue to expand and change their Gods to meet up or fit in with the new knowledge that has been obtained, If modern man was to write the creation account in book of genesis which is said to be directly from the God of the bible himself on how he supposedly created the universe, the account will be very similar to the Big bang theory and it will be nothing like the ridiculous drivel and nonsense that is written in the book of genesis. . . .

Why is it that many Christians I know COMPLETELY discard the genesis creation account which is said to be from their God himself, but still maintain that their God created the universe? Many maintain that the genesis creation account is not factual and does not agree with observable evidence but still maintain that their version of God created the universe, how so?. . . . . . It's either genesis is right and the God of the bible created the universe or genesis is wrong and the God of the bible did NOT create the universe. . . .The Jury is out, genesis is wrong(observable evidence shows that it is) and hence the God of the bible did NOT create the universe. . . . . .

How can people be saying that their various versions of Gods created the universe when:

1. The way their Gods said the allegedly created the universe does NOT agree with observable evidence of what we see, test and measure.

2. We don't even know what the Universe is, we are yet to know what it really is. . . . .Most part of it is beyond our reach

3. Creation stories and myths abound all over many cultures each claiming that their particular version of God created the universe. . . . ,

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=436863.msg6693683#msg6693683 date=1283543577]This Nuclear,ehn

Wow. Extremely interesting. Were your own choices involved at any time? Sure, it must have been the dear old folks at first, but was there a time you chose either religion? Did you go along devoutly, learn a few hard facts, say evolution vs Genesis, science vs biblical literalism, or the history of the bible,etc, and grow disenchanted? Why did you leave Islam? Did you try other religions besides the two, a religionless worship of your own devising, anything at all apart from Christianity and Islam? How did you make the transition to atheism? Was it easy for you? Did your family give you grief over it? I'm sorry, I don't mean to probe. If you're not comfortable answering I'll quite understand. [/quote]Converting into atheism wasn't easy at all because I had to drop all what I was made to believe was true and real, It was quite uncomfortable at the beginning, I almost went crazy, you might not believe it but its true. . . . . .Once I converted but was not fully sure of my position, I decided to try things for myself. . . , Had to go out of my way just to test and see if the most of the stuffs I grew up hearing and was made to believe exist were real , wanted to know if the supernatural claims I hear all the time is true, did so many weird stuffs, like sleeping in the grave yard alone, walking alone in villages where there are stories of witches and wizards causing havoc, deliberately upsetting and fighting with witch doctors so that they will harm me, becoming friends with children that were labeled as witches or in one secret cult or the other etc did so many weird stuffs just because i wanted to know if the supernatural is real, but nothing. . . . .I found out from my own personal investigations that they were not real. . .As for Christianity once I studied he bible, its history, how it was written , when it was written, who wrote the books and the entire church history, I was convinced that it was entirely a man made thing. . . . . .

Here is my de-conversion  story. . . . .

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-316436.0.html

MyJoe:
@ mazaje

What I understand you to be saying is that you have considered the experience of Rodonaiah - a science professor who lived in an atheistic society, did not believe in God himself, was so fearless and incorruptible by prospects of power that he denounced the Big Brother Soviet state and for his efforts was assassinated by the KGB - and have reasonably concluded that the man sat down and made up the story the way Adichie makes up short stories and novels.

How on earth does the fact blood parts can now be produced synthetically translate to the fact there is no natural blood? Did you bother to read these skeptics very well (and I am a skeptic, too) to see that even they acknowledge differences? And what you seem to miss is that while these experiences are purely subjective, the facts of the deaths and the environmental circumstances are not. These are objectively verifiable and there have been reports in secular journals of people reviving after being thought dead.

In Rodonaiah’s story, the case of the baby that was correctly diagnosed and treated after his intervention was also a purely objective occurrence. That is one point that was conspicuously not addressed by that brilliant skepdic article. I hope you read the whole article – which by the way did not set out to dismiss NDEs as evidence of life after death or the dual nature of man. I thoroughly enjoyed it as well as some of the wonderful rejoinders.
I strongly assert that there is no study anywhere that has "shown" that "it's all in your brain".

Yes Boss, I'll go through them more carefully and drop my thoughts when am done. . . .

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=436863.msg6689756#msg6689756 date=1283498042]Argueholic. What were you orginally? Moslem? Christian? Buddhist? Animist? Everyone was originally something. [/quote]I was raised both as a Christian and a Muslim. . . . .Started as a Muslim, then became a Christian later on. . . . . .